Costa Mesa Pastor Participates In Same-Sex Kiss Day at Chick-Fil-A, Saying 'God Supports And Blesses All Marriages'

contrari

@yoshiyahu You rock for taking on all this misguided "Christianity"

shannonmaclean

Well, there are a couple of things wrong here. First of all, according to God's word, although women can and should have a role in "the Church" (aka, the body of Christ) they are not to hold those types of leadership roles, i.e. "leading the flock." Second, God hates sin so much that He chose to sacrifice His "son" on our behalf. That means that He hates sin so much that He thinks it's worthy of that sort of earthly torture or eternal Hell. God outlines what sin in all through the sciptures, both old and new testaments. Old Testament give us the Ten Commandments twice, with sexual sin being commandment #7. Jesus and the apostles elaborate and expound on those sins further and in more detail in the new testament writings. Just as God abhors plural marriages, fornication, and adultery, He is also very clear calling the practice of homosexuality an "abomination." I don't think it gets any clearer than that.

yoshiyahu

Jesus was not the Messiah. Read your Bible.

Mitchell_Young

"She [the 'pastor'] herself hasn't eaten at Chick-Fil-A since 2008, when the company financially backed Proposition 8. "

Judging from the photo, that's a plus for other patrons.

cheebo

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This issue means many things to different people. I support a persons right to marry a partner of their choice but I also support an individuals right to an opinion on lifestyle choices whether it be smoking weed, gay lifestyle or religious lifestyle, even if it disagrees with my own beliefs.

Unless Chik Fil A as a business is engaging in discriminatory actions in the workplace to its employees or customers, the business owner has the right to an opinion.

It will be a sad day in America when dissenting views are not allowed. We are a nation of diversity. Holding a dissenting opinion or believe in itself is not hateful.

yoshiyahu

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I think most people agree. The millions they've spent in efforts to discriminate against others is what has folks upset.

Uh-OH....

Their glory is their shame....

ltpar topcommenter

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Do you suppose that this minister is operating from a different Bible than the rest of us? It might be more accurate for her to say, "God, always loves his children even though their act may be sinful." God does not hate, he forgives and sent his only son to be crucified on a cross to pay for all our sins.

yoshiyahu

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Her statement makes a lot more sense than your statement. There is nothing in the Bible that says that gay marriage is sinful. You can pull together different verses and make arguments, but there is no such thing as a Biblical Definition of Marriage, despite what people believe.

HOWEVER, we have lots of words in RED in the HOLY BIBLE where Jesus is PRETTY DAMN EXPLICIT about how we are to behave, and when you actually pay attention to those words in red, you have a clear mandate that does not involve going around and telling this group they are going to hell because of something in the Old Testament that you choose to interpret a certtain way.

shannonmaclean

@yoshiyahu not so sir. check Genesis ... ONE man and ONE woman ... nothing else but that. That sort of subject (marriage, fornication, homosexual sex, or any other sort of sexual deviance) is made perfectly clear in the scriptures. Not sure what you've read, but you've not read the bible if you can say that marriage, sexual deviance, sin, etc. is not clearly defined

yoshiyahu

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You clearly aren't paying attention. God doesn't say ONE man and ONE woman. Silly. Go study. But first...For the sake of argument, let's go with what you are saying. That God SPECIFICALLY says that Homosexuality is a SIN in Lev 20:13.

So from your Bible reading, being a Lesbian and having Lesbian sex, and Lesbians kissing outside Chik-Fil-A... that's ok, right?

Because you will note, if you read the Bible, that there is no point at which God says ANYTHING against two women being together.

I patiently await your reply.

ltpar topcommenter

@yoshiyahu

The Bible does discuss concept of "husband and wife" as being joined together in marriage (1 Corinthians, Chap 7). There are also numerous references as to the sin of a man lying down with another man, as he would do with his wife. That sin in the olden days was death. Let's face it, the Bible has been written and rewritten over and over during the centuries primarlly for the "chuch" keeping it's power over people. Now the gays want to twist the interpretation of the scriptures to justify their conduct. They are wasting their time, because it matters not if approval is given by gullible people. In the end it won't be those people making the final judgement, it will be God.

mmmirele

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@ltpar Husband and wives (Abraham, Sarah and Hagar), Husband, wives and concubines (Jacob, Leah, Rachel, and Zilphah and Bilhah), David and his wives (too many to enumerate), Solomon and his wives and concubines (WAY too many to enumerate).

Please do not tell me marriage is one man and one woman when I can yank open the Bible and see it's NOT.

guest

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@yoshiyahu Well, one could add 1+1 and come to that conclusion, the bible (both old and new testament) DO say that being gay is sinful...

Just sayin

yoshiyahu

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It doesn't say anything about Homosexuality being a Sin. It also doesn't even say two men can't have sex. God gave a specific commandment here for a reason, and if you want to interpret the word of God you have to pay attention.

jj.streets

Leviticus 18:22 look it up......youre right in one aspect no one should judge gays, on the other hand why should gays judge one for having an opinion?

yoshiyahu

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Really. Please provide Chapter and Verse. There is NOTHING in the Bible that says such a thing, and you are committing a grievous sin with your LIES.

jj.streets

One cannot pick and choose what they like or don't like in the Bible....that goes for everyone..........

yoshiyahu

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Um, yes, I have read Lev 20:13. And I have also looked at the context in which this commandment appears. Apparently you have not really done either.

Think about this. God does not have a problem being very specific when God wants to be. If God wanted to say "HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN" then God could have. As much as you like to read things into God's Holy Word, God never said that. God doesn't even say that if a man has sex with another man, it's a sin. Read the commandment. It's very particular. There's a good reason for that. Again, you want to read things into the commandment when there's no good reason for you to. God gave the commandment he gave, not the one you wished He did.

shannonmaclean

@yoshiyahu Sir, have you read Leviticus 20:13? 1 Corinthians 6:9? I suggest you read those when you say that there is no such statement ... it's clear as day in those two scriptures, and plenty more! While people may argue over biblical secondary and tertiary issues, it's the core issues that are what is important. If people get the core issues wrong, they are false converts, NOT Christians

yoshiyahu

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It's not what you like your don't like. It's interpretation. There are THOUSANDS of Protestant Denominations. Every one was started through bitter and serious disagreements over the meaning of various verses in the Bible, as far as would the Tribulation come before the Rapture or After. DOes the Holy Spirit come upon us and give us gifts like handling snakes? Etc etc. Again, to ignore how complicated this is with thousands of other things and to act like oh, it's obvious. the bible condemns gays, especially when there is no such statement in the bible, is inexcusable.

riley

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And, it would be a welcome lesson when Gustavo finally learns that God loves and supports all his children, including those with special needs.

20ftjesus

While it's the Evangelicals that make the news, there are several non-hating Xian churches in OC that welcome everyone. Irvine United Congregational Church is good one.

Dave_Lieberman topcommenter

@20ftjesus Or, you know, the entire ELCA, Presbyterian Church U.S.A., Episcopal Church of America.

Of course, the most welcoming church for gay people is the Church of Brunch.

20ftjesus

@Dave_Lieberman...and don't forget the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

anaheimcolonist

@20ftjesus

Who ever mentioned hate? Our church doesn't support the homosexual lifestyle, but we accept and love all people, but that doesn't mean that we have to agree with or condone what they do.

Mr. Cathy has the right to answer a question honestly and if anyone doesn't agree with his beliefs then don't. I don't agree with Elton John's lifestyle or the groups he support financially, therefore, I don't buy his music. Same for not buying Marc Jacob's clothes, etc.

By the way, some may have you believe that only Christians showed up on Wednesday to support this establishment, but many were there in support of free speech. God bless America.

yoshiyahu

20ftjesus -- You THINK you are a Jesus guy, but you are not. You talk about accepting and loving all people, as you spit on them and denigrate them. Woe to you, because you are a Pharisee sitting in the Temple, puffed up with self-righteousness and passing judgement on people. You spit on and denigrate your risen Savior every day, and Woe unto you.

yoshiyahu

You have a Great Commission (Matt 28:16-20) to spread the Good News. And in James 5:20 you are told of the importance of turning sinners from the errors of their ways. James is talking about successfully turning someone from sin. and that only happens if you can convince someone successfully, not just yell at someone who isn't going to listen to you.

Why you don't just stick to what Jesus commands you to do in all those bright red letters in your bible is beyond me. Jesus has commissioned you specifically to spread the Good News. Jesus didn't tell you to appoint yourselves Judges and go out and tell everyone how they are sinning.

shannonmaclean

@yoshiyahu HMMMM, aren't you being rather judgmental?

shannonmaclean

@yoshiyahu Sir, Christians not only have the right to judge, in certain ways, certain things, at certain times .... and who doesn't? We ALL make judgments every single day about what to eat, what to wear, where to live, how to manage our money, what sort of people to have and not have in our lives, etc. If we didn't make judgments about everything, what sort of people would we be? Judgement are decisions, and discernments ... judgments are generally good and necessary!If we didn't make judgments, we would have no laws, no justice! But as Christians we are to warn unrepentant sinners who are already headed for Hell ... we are to warn them and inform them about God's judgement and His standards, and his gift .... if we love those who are perishing, it is our duty to warn them. If I saw you about to step in front of oncoming traffic, I should warn you .... it would be the right and loving thing to do, wouldn't it? If we see people perishing while wallowing in their sin, it is right to tell them about God's commandments, standards, judgement, and HIs great gift offering of salvation.

20ftjesus

@yoshiyahu Maybe you'll like some 20ftJesus music?

http://20ftneonjesus.com/

yoshiyahu

Your damn stupid name confused me. I spewed my acid all over you by mistake. Sorry.

20ftjesus

@yoshiyahu WTF yoshi: I luv the Flying Spaghetti Monster and would never spit on him. He's full of yummy pasta and sauce.

20ftjesus

@anaheimcolonist ~How many gay people attend your church?

Dave_Lieberman topcommenter

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@anaheimcolonist And I have the right to decide that Dan Cathy is a person whose business I don't want to support, and to go eat elsewhere.

I suspect that most of the people who showed up on Wednesday were there in support of fried chicken. Only in the United States could a religious pilgrimage end at a fast-food restaurant.

yoshiyahu

John 3:16 isn't the problem, you idiot.