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Orly Taitz Calls Us Out at the (Bill) Ayres Hotel in Costa Mesa

By Spencer Kornhaber, Friday, Oct. 23 2009 @ 10:06AM
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Orly! I know you're reading this. After all, during your speech to the Costa Mesa Republican Assembly last night, while talking about your appearance on the Joy Behar show, you said something like "Joy Behar, who was, as this reporter here Mr. Kornbacher said... well, I won't use those words."

Whoa! Kornbacher! Ok! And then when you were talking about the Washington Post story on you, you said that WaPo took lovely photos, and then pointed at me and said "unlike the ones you posted."

Hey! I didn't take those photos!

But ok. Point taken. See? I'm not posting those other ones this time.

Since you won't take my phone calls anymore, Orly, let's talk here.

First of all, congrats on making it to the Ayres Hotel in Costa Mesa for the meeting. When you posted about it beforehand on your blog, one of your followers got worried. "The Bill Ayres Hotel?," commenter Gabe Samoza wrote. "There must be some connection there. Can anyone find out who the owners of the hotel are? I'm afraid it's a set-up and they will bug the room or something."

Yes, we found out the owners of the hotel. It's the OC-based Ayres family. I once interviewed Douglas Ayers about sailing; he did seem a little bit like a domestic terrorist. Luckily, Orly, you seemed to have emerged from one of his hotels unscathed.

Here's what I want to talk with you about: You've gotta stop lying to people who don't know any better.

The 20 or so people at the Costa Mesa Republican Assembly meeting seemed nice enough; they were mostly elderly, mostly white, very friendly to me. Grandmas and moms, doctors and lawyers. Sure, they had one speaker who home-schooled all twelve of his kids because he didn't like the way the Constitution was being taught elsewhere. The other speaker argued that cap and trade legislation is a toe in the door for the New World Order. But these people, their hearts aren't in the wrong place. They just want what they think is best for the country.

And I'll admit, Orly, you've gotten better with your lying. Ever since our cover story, you haven't talked in public much about that "Pakistan Travel Ban."  Hopefully, that's because we pointed out that it was fabricated. And after that Joy Behar post, which you read, I haven't heard you mention the "fact" that Hawaiian law in 1961 allowed foreigners to get birth certificates -- maybe because we pointed out that it isn't a fact, and the law you had been talking about didn't exist till 1982.

But you're still misleading people. Or: You're lying to people. I wouldn't bother, except -- and may be this is my delusion -- you seem to be reading and altering your behavior when someone points out an egregious lie. So:

You sympathized with the constitutional home-school guy, telling the audience that it's because our kids aren't taught about the founding documents that no one realizes the real definition of "natural born citizen" entails having both an American father and mother. In truth, the reason that no one realizes it is because for all 200-and-some years of American history, that's simply not what "natural born citizen" has been understood to mean. A few people here and there have acted as though your definition is correct, but constitutional framers James Madison and Alexander Hamilton said otherwise. Popularly, certainly, the consensus has been that "natural born" simply means you've been a citizen from the day you've been born. You can argue that everyone's been wrong for 200 years and that Chester A. Arthur was never president, but it's dishonest to act as though your "interpretation" of natural born is settled law that simply hasn't been enforced.

And you, Orly, presented a new whopper last night, claiming that the Constitution specifically references De Vattel's Law of Nations. Craaaazy. Merely having written three words "law of nations" -- in reference to, you know, the laws that nations have -- does not mean that the Founding Fathers were leaving clues that your favorite Swiss philosopher holds the key to what the laws mean. As the homeschool constitutionalist dude said, the Constitution can be understood by reading documents like the Federalist Papers and the Common Sense. Maybe you noticed that Law of Nations was not on his list.

And even while you spend half your lecture talking about why it doesn't matter where Obama was born ("It could have been in the Lincoln Bedroom!") because he's "ineligible" for having a British father, you then turn around and harp about how unconscionable it is that he hasn't given you access to every record he ever produced. It's a breathtaking, dishonest leap of logic. You act as though if he simply produces his long-form, this entire controversy would go away, even though you'd spent the last twenty minutes arguing why that's not true. What's more, your reasons to suspect he was born in Kenya have all been whittled away. The Pakistan travel ban, the maternal grandmother "confession," the law about registering foreign-born certificates... they've all been disproven. And so you argue merely based on the tone of your voice, by throwing around words like "fraud," and by spilling more half-truths and untruths.

No hospital has ever "claimed" Obama's birth, you say. Ever hear of privacy laws? A hospital can't just hand over the birthing file, and so for you to claim that no one could "find it" is a lie. Obama is the only one allowed to reveal where he was born -- and he has done that! Remember the letter to Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu? The hospital published it; that's as much of a hospital "claiming his birth" as you're ever going to legally get.

Let me know if this stuff makes sense, Orly. See you next time.

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Comments (16)

ED says:

Is it just me or is everyone missing one big knock against this whack job.

Doesn't this Orly lady have dual citizenship? She's both a naturalized citizen of the U.S. and of Isreal, right?

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!! People with dual citizenhip shouldn't slam the birthplace of a the U.S. President.

Which country does she have an allegiance too in the first place??? The U.S or Isreal?

What a Hypocrite with a capital H this loon is!

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 23 2009 @ 10:44AM
Mike says:

The whack job from Moldavia is only interested in the publicity not the facts.

I'm still wondering when Taft University is going to yank her degree back to keep from being continually embarrassed by her antics.

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 23 2009 @ 10:56AM
The Other Jesus (hay-zoose) says:

Hey! What happened to the thousand-yard stare and the tarantula eyelashes? Who IS that person in the photo above and what has she done with Ms Loony Tunes?

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 23 2009 @ 2:05PM
GabachodeMichigan says:

I used to find Orly amusing but now I mostly feel sorry for her family. It is going to be a rather sad day around what is left of the old dental practice when the federal marshals start collection activities.

Having represented people in involuntary mental health commitment proceedings for many years, I can see where this is going. I am not familiar with California's laws on involuntary commitment, but I suspect they will provide for her, once she has no money left and has thoroughly destroyed her own life and the lives of her loved ones. Soon she will be someone's "I had a client who believed . . . " story.

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 24 2009 @ 6:26AM
Mary Adams says:

Thank you!

Finally, somebody calling out Orly on her LIES.

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 24 2009 @ 1:46PM
joeymac says:

She is now posting the name and SS# of a deceased infant on her blog and imploring Orlybots to invade the privacy of the grieving family in order to "get information about" the departed infant. Her demented followers are, of course, enthusiatic about the venture.

The people should be locked away.

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 24 2009 @ 11:29PM
jphmedia says:

I have seen reports that Orly was a minor operative for the KGB, psiops division. Her father was supposed to be a big-wig in psiops, perhaps Orly is from the same stock?

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 12:36AM
matlock says:

You all sound like such arrogant, ignorant blowhards. I guess because you are...Whatever happened to wanting to know the facts? If Orly Taitz is so off base, why can't your Marxist-in-Chief psuedo POTUS show his qualifications like the rest of us? All it would cost would be a feew dollars instead of the enormous amount (probably our tax dollars) he has spent on attorney fees. Get real you morons! Duh!!!!!!! Actions speak louder than words.

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 7:20AM
joeymac says:

matlock, you sound more ignorant and arrogant than Orly.

f Orly Taitz is so off base, why can't your Marxist-in-Chief psuedo POTUS show his qualifications like the rest of us?
The President did show, and will show his "qualifications." His COLB proved that he is the offspring of American citizen, Stanley Ann Dunham, and therefore, a citizen at birth. You want to see more? Well, I want a two-week cruise with Jane Fonda.
All it would cost would be a feew dollars...
It would be a "feew(sic) dollars wasted, since you dead-enders would still be harassing him.
Get real you morons!
I'd say it's time for you to engage in a little instrospection.

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 9:44AM
Anonymous says:

As usual, it's dumbdown time. A certificate of live birth with no doctor's signature, hospital named, etc. is nothing more than a piece of paper saying he was born alive. Where is the valid and legal document we all have to present? Why are his college records sealed? Bush had to show all his records. Why is it you Leftists alway have two standards...one for yourselves and one for the other guy? He attended college as a foreign exchange student, that's why. As for his mother making him a citizen, we're not talking about being a citizen, although that's questionable since his FATHER (usually citizenship is passed on through the father) was a Brit. We are talking about being a natural born citizen...you know (Or should since you have deemed yourself so all-knowing!) where both parents are citizens. And what about the Indonesian citizenship written on his elementary record? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS, MORON, THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE ANSWERED WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 11:22AM
joeymac says:

anonymous

Dumbing down is not something that could profitably done to you, since you have already reached the limit of dumbness for upright mammals. A birth certificate with exactly the same information as the President's COLB--different jurisdictions call it different things--is what I used to apply (successfully) for SS and to get a passport. It IS a legal certification of birth, despite the lies that you lunatic dead-enders constantly spout. Nobody asked me for a doctor's name or birth weight.

My college records--to the best of my knowledge--are also sealed, unless I need a transcript and authorize the release of same. However, since you didn't complete the fifth grade, I wouldn't expect you to be conversant with privacy policies of colleges.

As for you delusional, fact-free nonsensical rant about citizenship being passed through the father, kindly read US citizenship law explained in this document found here
If you have trouble with the big words, I sure your pastor will read it to you.

As for who is a MORON, I won't make any assertions, inasmuch as it should be self-evident.

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 11:58AM
Kaonashi says:

My son, with an American father and a Japanese mother and born in Japan, may someday become US president after the Supreme Court finally defines what 'native born' means. After all, there is much precedent:

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 8:08PM
Dorothy Caruso says:

Spencer,
What a disappointment your article is. I expected more from you. Did they teach you nothing in school?

If you're going to write a letter to Orly,and lambast her, then do that, but why are you doing it publically?

Why are you attacking everyone invovled in your letter to Orly? Honestly, it just doesn't make you look good at all. It looks like you can't come up with real reporting or journalism; save Yellow Journalism.

Let me give you a few pointers.
This bombastic, vilifying style of categorizing everyone who doesn't think like you as being "wrong thinking" is simply too narrow minded and doesn't reach a wide audience.

It would be best if you covered the event, gave honest and more objective information (not severly biased and stereotyped) about those present, checked your sources, (notthe mishmash you gave)and balanced different views. It's about truth seeking not screaming Orly! You liar! in public. That's pretty defaming if you ask me. Maybe it's you that's the liar, because you pretend to be a journalist or reporter and you're neither.

What you are is a little boy with an angry-bashing stick that you write with and thrust onto your readers.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 27 2009 @ 12:17PM
Spencer Kornhaber says:

Dorothy -

You're not wrong; I do seem bitter, don't I? I've written about Orly a lot. I've covered her plenty as a third-person observer. But here's the thing: You get to a point where the only conscionable thing to do is point out the truth. She is standing there, lying. She must know on some level that she is lying. And the worst part is that she can lie to a room full of people who show no real curiosity, who take everything she says on its face, who don't ask one critical question simply because it reinforces their world view to believe that Obama is a fraud.

I started covering Dr. Taitz with the idea that, well, she really did make me wonder about the President. If the things she was saying were true, she would have a real cause. But in the course of reporting about her, I and others have found that nearly every single piece of "evidence" she has is fabricated, imagined or completely misunderstood.

She is raising money by lying. She has built a following by lying. There is no more use to me writing about what she does dispassionately. Her influence and the birther myth only appears to be growing; I'm trying to get out the truth. Apologies if I offended you.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 27 2009 @ 1:15PM
rikker says:

Spencer,

You be da man!!!

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 27 2009 @ 3:37PM
Paul says:

Was the $20K fine enough? Maybe when Taitz becomes a real lawyer she will appreciate what just happened. I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures).

When flies get too close to the lights they get burned, Taitz just got burned, thing is, like a fly she will continue, no end in sight. Poor little Birthers they are haters not debaters.

A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, wow I must say a JACK of all trades master of none.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 27 2009 @ 5:41PM

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