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Super-Fun Cover Story Supplement: More Orly!

By Spencer Kornhaber, Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 3:00PM
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Even if you read every one of the 4,000-n'-something words of this week's cover story about Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., our local dentist crusading to have Barack Obama removed from office, you still won't have gotten the full Orly story. She's a busy woman with many pots cooking. So here are a few more Taitz tidbits:

You can see her -- tonight!
She'll be speaking at a meeting of the Saddleback Republican Assembly in Mission Viejo, according to her blog. Starts at 7 p.m. at Atria Del Sol. Assemblyman Jeff Miller will also be speaking.

More Obama crimes: Taitz spends a lot of time talking about a few perceived presidential transgressions that didn't make it into my article. Her seeming favorite piece of evidence against Obama: According to online database Lexis Nexis, there are 25 different "Barack Obamas" in America, each with a different social security number. What's that mean? In Taitz's mind, it's evidence of forgery, identity theft and duplicity on the part of Mr. Obama. In someone else's mind, though, it might not be that interesting. After all, eight people ran as "Barack Obama" in Brazil's election last year, and there's been a boom of Barack-named babies recently. Plus, there's a good chance that at least 24 people nationwide have pulled a Santos E. Halper and jokingly filled out some of their docs with the president's name.

Taitz also has major suspicions about the fact that when the Illinois Bar application asked if the applicant had ever used an alias, Obama didn't fess up and put down his childhood moniker, "Barry Soetoro," (though there's little evidence that Barry was a legal alias for him, nor that that was what the application was asking for). She think his selective service registration information is forged, even though there's no doubt they he is registered for selective service. And as for that infamous Certificate of Live Birth: Taitz's objections range from the fact that the certificate's file number was redacted in the original scan posted by the campaign, to the "fact" (details) that FactCheck.org, who verified the veracity and physical existence of the COLB, is affiliated with Obama.

Speaking of the COLB, it's worth noting that Obama's short-form certificate -- the one eligibility-questioners say is inadequate -- is the only certificate now issued by the State of Hawaii.

She's a traveler. It can't be understated how often Dr. Taitz is on the road. Off the top of my head, I know that she has visited Washington D.C., Washington state, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Tennessee and Oklahoma. She says she has gotten more than 10 state representatives to sign on to her cause, but the one I talked to -- Mike Ritze of Oklahoma -- was very complimentary of Orly but was still mulling whether to become a plaintiff.

About that "service" thing: There's a quote from the cover story saying Taitz "doesn't file anything... she drops stuff off." That's largely a reference to Keyes v. Obama, the case Taitz has pending in U.S. District Court in Santa Ana. In order to sue a person, you have to serve them the papers from the suit in person. Taitz tried to have one of her volunteers serve Barack Obama, but she ran into some difficulty when secret service and the White House fences wouldn't let her get close enough. Still, she dropped off the materials with a mail clerk (didn't get his name, though). Now, the court has notified Taitz that she hasn't properly served the defendant as pursuant to federal rules governing how to sue a government official. In response, on Sunday Taitz submitted up a motion asking the court to reconsider, accept her previous service and render a default judgment against Obama. "It seems to the Plaintiffs unfair and unjust that a Judge could merely set aside a party's default on a whim..." Taitz wrote in her motion. "..the Court has "merely" ordered the Plaintiff to start litigation all over again, as if the past six months had never happened or were no more important than six grains of tidal sand in the surfs at Malibu."

She's a fan of Israel.
That's where she met her husband, after all. Taitz has served as a delegate for AIPAC, the most influential pro-Israel lobby in America. Taitz sees AIPAC as "apolitical," but doesn't deny that she has great concerns about Obama's policies towards Israel. There's been speculation in the "anti-birther" blogosphere that Israel is the core reason for her Obama antipathy, but it's probably not so simple to boil her motivations down to one cause. It should be noted, though, that the "eligibility" movement contains both Jewish activists like Taitz and people like famed anti-semite Andy Martin and James W. Von Brunn, the white supremacist who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

She has a black belt in Taekwondo.
And if you don't believe her, she published the certificate.
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john says:

I see arm wrestling back and forth about Obama's birth.

I guess the bottom line, this could be settled immediately by Obama having Hawaii produce the original birth certificate which they must have by law, yet he will not. Not only that, 3 law firms costly probably a sizable amount of money, WHY if there is not something fishy. This is worth debating...

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 4:42PM
Carly says:

John,
Go over to the website Spencer mentioned in the article. obamaconspiracy.org.

Great, fun story!!!

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 4:56PM
Patrick McKinnion says:

Good article. The sad part is that people like Dr. Orly are so blinded by their hatred that they're not seeing the things around them - or who they're associating with.

The day after I was interviewed for this piece, a gunman who turned out to be a Neo-Nazi shot two guards and killed one at the National Holocaust Museum. Turns out he was posting the same claims and demands that Dr. Orly posts. She's freely associating with people fully willing to hate her simply due to her faith, and that's pretty sad. (One birther in particular, Andy Martin, is a known anti-semite)

The major flaw with the entire birther cause is that there is not a single piece of credible evidence that supports any of their claims. No Pakistan travel ban. No way for a US minor citizen to give up their US citizenship. No credible proof of forgery (just the writings of faceless, nameless internet "experts". A full recording with Sarah Obama that she says clearly "born in Hawaii". Not a single piece of evidence to back up any of their claims. Instead they demand you take it all on faith - and proclaim any evidence to the contrary to be part of the "conspiracy".

And the people involved are just as questionable as the evidence. A dentist with a law degree from an on-line unaccredited law school. Another lawyer who's a disgrunted Hillary supporter and 9/11 truther with ethics violations in his past. An avowed anti-semite. A "patriotic Naval Academy" graduate who was court-martialed for misappropriation of funds. Fantasy "grand juries" made up of internet "volunteers" picked from birther boards and ran by a guy selling US jobs overseas to China. Nameless, faceless internet "document experts" that refuse to give any evidence as to their training and qualifications. An internet "radio" talk show host who's claimed to have killed bigfoots on his Texas ranch. And a tax-cheat convicted of defrauding the government.

A world where World Net Daily, The Globe Tabloid, and Pravda On-Line are considered gospel truth. And most of the top birthers have have blogs where the party faithful parrot the lies and any dissent is ruthlessly censored in a way that would make Stalin proud.

None of their "evidence" survives in the light of day. None of their backgrounds holds up to close examination. These so-called "patriots" are nothing more than a sad group of conspiracy nuts preaching sedition and treason as an excuse for their hatred and bigotry.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 5:16PM
Mary Adams says:

john, john, john.

Hawaii no longer issues the long form. They digitized the records in 2001.

Te "original" paper document is in storage and the Hawaii DOH said they will not spend time and risk the health of employees to dig it out.

President Obama's lawyer, Bauer, has publicly stated he is representing him in the birfer cases PRO BONO and this is borne out by the costs awarded in Keyes v Bowen: $540 for filing fees.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16331227/Keyes-v-Bowen-Judgment-Dismissing-Costs-Awarded

All of the $$ spent on lawyers?

The law firm represents the Democratic National Committee, the Obama political group Organizing for America, and the Obama family.

Also a search on PACER will turn up a ton of lawsuits against President Obama that have nothing to do with the eligibility issue - Just like there are hundreds naming Bush - it comes with the territory.

I mean, President Obama is named as a defendant in the "bones of Geronimo" lawsuit simply because he is the POTUS.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 5:43PM
John Boxster says:

not true Patrick, there are many unanswered questions about obama, we know very little to nothing about his past,take his birth certificate, that if anyone brings it up they are called crazy,I don't think so, my wife was born in Hawaii,in 1964 her birth certificate does not look anything like the one posted on obamas website, it has very detailed information, on it, OK forget about his vault copy birth certificate, for what ever reason he wants to keep it secret, just prove at which hospital in Hawaii he was born in and that should settle the controversy, with all do respect Patrick I do not think it is asking to much for background information on a person who has the most powerful position in the world,

I am over sixty years old and have seen a lot of presidential elections, and can not ever remember a president that had a mystery surrounding his birthplace,

Thank you for the space,

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 5:57PM
blacklikeO says:

According to online database Lexis Nexis, there are 25 different "Barack Obamas" in America, each with a different social security number. What's that mean? In Taitz's mind, it's evidence of forgery, identity theft and duplicity on the part of Mr. Obama

What this story leaves out is that those addresses are fictitious. Drive by yourself and see.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 6:04PM
John Boxster says:

Mary Mary

my Wife and I had a good laugh over that statement, health hazard? maybe they preserve the certificates with cloradane,

Te "original" paper document is in storage and the Hawaii DOH said they will not spend time and risk the health of employees to dig it out.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 6:07PM
Mary Adams says:

John Boxster,

Call Hawaii DOH and ask. That's what they told a person who called and said they needed their long form for DHHL.

Good thing your little wifey still has her long form. If she loses it, all she can get is one like President Obama's.

As far as the hospital, his sister, his book and Kapi`olani all agree.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 6:40PM
Jauna Noh says:

Is her Tae Kwon Do black belt certificate valid in Hawaii?

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 7:02PM
John Boxster says:

OK Mary give me the link to the hospital that can verify Obama's birth, (and I am sure they would even be proud of the fact of his birth there,) and you would put hundreds of thousands of peoples questions to rest, and if I remember correctly his sister gave the name of a hospital different then the one he said, thats why people have questions, and I will have my wife call and see if she can have another copy sent to her, thats a good idea Mary, as you could not even get a drivers license with the one Obama has on his web site

this is all very interesting,

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 7:11PM
Mary Adams says:

John, John, John,

When all you listen to is the nutter echo chamber you miss a lot of facts.

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link to the hospital that can verify Obama's birth, (and I am sure they would even be proud of the fact of his birth there,)
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http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728&ekmensel=c580fa7b_256_292_1728_5

http://storyproject.kapiolanigift.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=84&Itemid=10&sid=5
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I remember correctly his sister gave the name of a hospital different then the one he said
----
Another nutter lie.

Here’s where the reading comprehension impaired got the idea that Maya said President Obama was born at Queens. It is an article written by a High School kid that makes the erroneous assertion before quoting Maya:

http://www.obamacrimes.us/Court%20documents%20and%20pdf/103008Exhibit%20Charter%20Schools%20Rainbow%20Edition%20Newsletter.pdf

Here’s where Maya is quoted as saying "He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, two blocks up from where our grandmother still resides ...”

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/18/news/story03.html
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I will have my wife call and see if she can have another copy sent to her, thats a good idea
----
Please do. Also have her ask about searching for her original sent from the hospital.

I expect to hear back from you...
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Mary, as you could not even get a drivers license with the one Obama has on his web site
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Utter BS.

"Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

BTW, John, you may want to check with your state of birth as more and more states are going to the "short" form only...

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 7:44PM
Dr. Conspiracy says:

John Boxster asks for a link to the hospital where Obama was born, saying that they would even be proud of the fact of his birth there.

John, it is my pleasure to oblige. There is a link, and they are definitely proud at the Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu. During their 100th anniversary celebration last January, Congressman Abercrombie of Hawaii read a letter from President Obama (also posted on their web site) that President Obama was born there.

http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728

Be sure to watch the video on their web site. It's precious.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 8:15PM
Dr. Conspiracy says:

In the article, Orly is quoted as saying: “I don’t call anybody names.”

Search her current and former blogs for the word "O-Bot". Also words like "traitor" and "usurper" come to mind.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 8:30PM
John Boxster says:

Thanks so much for the link Dr.Conspiracy,

my Wifes sister was born at that hospital, I have never been to Hawaii so I do not have a lot of first hand information about that beautiful state, my wife told me that is one of Hawaii's most famous hospitals, and they do great work in giving a helping hand to people in need,

I do not know why the speaker was laughing when he was reading Obama's letter in regards to the part about being born there?

out of curiosity I did a site search with Barack Obama's name several times and could find nothing,

they would do a great service by releasing a letter or official statement regarding Obama being born there,especially with billboards now questioning his birthplace, and people investing tens of thousands of dollars in hard earned dollars in that project, and I am sure 99% of the main stream media would be happy to report on that, and make the people questioning his birthplace look foolish,

surely the hospital must know about this controversy, and would at least make an official statement, and end this matter, but in not doing so this problem will continue, I try and keep an open mind in this matter, but do not see any positive information surfacing, thanks again

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 9:07PM
TEXASTROOPER says:

THESE ARE THE FACTS !!! These facts are not going away !!! this should give you some correct information to read over the weekend !!
Fact 1. Constitution Article II, Section II sets forth the qualifications for presidential candidates: ""No person except a NATURAL BORN Citizen", or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and have been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Fact 2. Just because you are a US Citizen or have a US birth certificate, does NOT mean that your are a "NATURAL BORN" Citizen of the USA!!!

Fact 3. A Birth Certificate or documentation of a birth in a hospital should include at least: a number referring to the document, the name of the hospital, the mothers and fathers birthplace and ages, and with the attending doctor's signature.

Fact 4. The state of Hawaii issues a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) for those born: inside the State of Hawaii, outside of the State of Hawaii, and even outside the country if the parents, or one of the parents, are natives of, or residents in, the State of Hawaii. They also allow Late Registration. Every illegal alien born in Hawaii gets a Hawaiian COLB!!! The questionable*(see notes below) Certification of Live Birth (with a rev. 11/01 printed by a computer on a 2001 form for someone supposedly born in 1961) submitted on the web page of Barack Obama indicates that Barack Hussein Obama II was born on Aug. 4, 1961 to the mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama. http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

Fact 5. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr, was not a US citizen, he was a bureaucrat Muslim in the communist government of Kenya. Under the British Nationality Act of 1948 he was a citizen of the United Kingdom and its Colonies. Under this Act, IF he was married to Stanley Ann Dunham and IF he acknowledged Barack Hussein Obama, Jr, as his son, or IF they were not married and he still acknowledged the boy, and IF he filed the correct paperwork with the British Colonial Authorities in Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II, was born as a British Colonial Citizen and possesses a Birth Certificate which should still exist on file in Kenya and, presumably, London, England. Under Chapter VI. Section 87, of The Constitution of Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. became a Kenyan citizen on December 12th 1963. If Barack Hussein Obama, Sr, filed the correct papers with the British Colonial Authorities and with the Kenyan Government Barack Hussein Obama II also became a Kenyan citizen on December 12th 1963 under Section 97. of the Kenyan Constitution and still remains a Kenyan Citizen.

Fact 6. Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo a Muslim Indonesian citizen.

Fact 7. Under Indonesian Law you can not adopt a child over the age of five, even abroad, if you are an Indonesian Citizen. In “Dreams from my Father”, Obama says he lived with his step-father in Indonesia for five years and that by the time he and his mother arrived in Indonesia she and Lolo had been married for over a year before Lolo returned to Indonesia. Five years + one year = 6 years and when Barack Hussein Obama II returned to Hawaii prior to September of 1971 because he was enrolled in his Prep School in Hawaii to start the Fifth Grade he was 10 years old so he was probably shy of 4 years old when Dunham married Soetoro and arrived in Indonesia about the time of his fifth Birthday (1966).

Fact 8. Indonesian Law says: “Foreign persons under age of five who are adopted by Indonesian Citizens obtain Indonesian Citizenship following legalization of adoption process by District Court of general jurisdiction with jurisdiction over the adoptive parents [Id at Art. 2 (1)]“ “It is stipulated that an adopted child has the same status as a natural child, and that his or her relationship to the birth parents is severed by adoption”.

Fact 9. The only Legal Relationship he would have to his mother is that she was married to his Legal Father Lolo Soetoro, under Indonesian Law. He would be an Indonesian Citizen with an Indonesian Passport and an entry in Lolo’s KK documents.

Fact 10. Indonesian Law prior to August 1966 would be Indonesian Law 62/1958 and other prior Indonesian Laws. Indonesian Law does not accept Dual Nationality/Citizenship, so Barack Hussein Obama II would no longer be a US Citizen according to Indonesian Law, in fact he would be considered never to have been one at all.

Fact 11. Lolo Soetoro would be his guardian, next of Kin and father. His Religion would be Legally Listed and Registered as Islam because children have the Religion of their Father under Indonesian Law and can have no other. His Surname would become Soetoro, in full Soetoro Mangunharjo with Barry as his given name at the choosing by his father Lolo.

Fact 12. Barry Soetoro was enrolled on January 1st 1968, given Serial No 203 and placed in Class 1 B. His Religion is given as Islam, his Nationality Indonesian, his Father’s Name as L Soetoro Ma., his Father’s Occupation as Official, Director General’s Office TNI [Topography Division Indonesian Army] and his Name as Barry Soetoro.

Fact 13. Only citizen Indonesian children were enrolled in Indonesian Schools in 1968, SD Asisi was a Roman Catholic School within the Indonesian State System, it was not an International School. Therefore, if he attended this school and subsequently SDN Menteng 1, State Elementary School, and every source agrees that this is the case, he would have to have been enrolled as an Indonesian Citizen.

Fact 14. All records show that Lolo Soetoro Ma. is described as his father and that no mention is made of his mother.

Fact 15. Indonesia in the sixties was a Police State! Everybody, even babes, had Identity Documents of some sort, possibly including Passports. Everybody was registered with the Government, one way or another. The head of each family, usually the father, but in rare cases a widowed, or divorced, mother has an Official Document called a Kartu Keluarga (Family Card). This lists every household/family member and gives their details in the same way as their individual KTPs or KITAS visas would.

Fact 16. An adopted, child called a WNI, warga negara Indonesia, has the same KK entry as any other Indonesian child. When a child enrolls in School their details are taken down from their KK Entry, as presented by the father (who is also required, at that time, to produce his KTP to verify the details on the KK). They are then given their Student KTP. KKs, like KTPs, are issued by the Government and cross checked by the National Police and Immigration Service.

Fact 17. Everything on Barry Soetoro record's at SD Asisi matches what would be true if he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro before he arrived in Indonesia. Schools are subject to periodical checks by both the Police and Immigration Officers as well as School Inspectors; this includes the teachers as well as the students.

Fact 18. Under Indonesian Law Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian Citizen and he could not Renounce that Citizenship until he was between the ages of 18 and 21, after 21 possibly he could not renounce it at all.

Fact 19. Dual nationals owe allegiance to both countries and are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if that person later travels there. Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country.

Fact 20. Somehow Stanley Ann Dunham got the necessary letter of permission from her husband so Barry Soetoro could go to Hawaii. An Indonesian Citizen called Barry Soetoro left Jakarta on an Indonesian Passport with both a US Visa and also an Indonesian Exit Visa. But an American Citizen called Barack Obama landed in Hawaii.

Fact 21. The US law states for a "NATURAL BORN" US Citizen for the time Barack Hussein Obama II was born between December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986: If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. immigration.findlaw.com/.../...id-you-know(1).html

Fact 22. Obama's mother was only 18 years old at his birth, NOT the 16 + 5 = 21 required because his father was not a US citizen. Therefore Barack Hussein Obama II is NOT a "NATURAL BORN" US Citizen as required to become the President of the USA!!!

Fact 23. There must be a paper trail in Hawaii, US State Dept., and other Federal and Foreign Government Records to prove, or disprove the above facts and if there is not then somebody has removed the trail. If that is the case there has been a criminal conspiracy and all these moles involved need to go to prison!!! At the State Dept. Obama's records have been breached 3 times by employees of a company that the CEO is an adviser to Sen. Obama!!!

Fact 24. We had an Indonesian Barry Soetoro with an Indonesian passport leaving Indonesia but upon the arrival in Hawaii we had the same person Barack Hussein Obama II now magically a US citizen.

Fact 25. All of Barry's classmates throughout all of his school years knew him as Barry until he started college whereupon he was Barack Obama when he left the island of Hawaii to the mainland.

Fact 26. It is the responsibility of the presidential candidate to prove that they meet the qualifications of the Constitution, not the voters. So let Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama II supply copies of all the original documents that would prove he is a "NATURAL BORN Citizen of the United States of America" as defined and required by the US Constitution to become the President & Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and he has no allegiance to another country!!! Questions, Notes, &

Additional Comments and Concerns:
1. Where is the original 1961 Birth Certificate that was issued at the time of birth of Obama II with the signature of the attending doctor? There were 2 hospitals in Honolulu at that time, but by phone I was denied my request to find out if they had Obama's documents. The document in 1961 would have been black & white!!! Obama claimed in the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school." Time wise this would be before 1980, so why is he trying to pawn off on us a COLB that was made after 2001?

2. Dunham by an application for SSN 535-40-8522 stating she was born Nov. 29, 1942, so if Barack was born on Aug. 4, 1961 Dunham was 18 years old.

3. From US immigration, exactly when starting in 1961 did Dunham, Obama Sr., Barack Hussein Obama II, &/or Barry Soetoro depart Hawaii? Were there any other reentries or exits (with full details) before the final entry of Barack Hussein Obama II at age 10 when he started school in Sept. 1971 in Hawaii?

4. Sen. Obama's own Kenyan paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed that Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

5. Did Obama Sr. document his son with the Kenyan government? If so Obama II is probably still a citizen of Kenya &/or the UK.

6. How did Dunham legally enter an Indonesia citizen named Barry Soetoro into Hawaii with the name of Barack Obama???

7. Where are the legal papers that show Barry Soetoro's name was changed to Barack Hussein Obama II?

8. Did Barry Soetoro formally renounce Indonesian Citizenship between the ages of 18 and 21 and if so where are the documents? If Barry did not renounce then he is still an Indonesian citizen and Indonesian Law would prevail.

9. Senator Obama was an Indonesian Citizen as a boy but probably still is one legally. Perhaps this explains Julia Suryakusuma's view that Obama could run for President of Indonesia as expressed in her article in "The Jakarta Post" on 29th November 2006. Julia Suryakusuma was one of Stanley Ann Dunham's best friends. old.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp

10. Did Barack Hussein Obama II upon the age of 18 comply with all the requirements of the Selective Service Registration until he reached the age of 26: Defense Authorization Act established Title 5, U.S. Code, Section 3328? If so what is his Selective Service number? Have him release all of these records.

11. The State Department should know what kind of passport and name Obama used on his journey to visit his mother in Pakistan, in 1981.

12. See FACT 4. Hawaii issue of CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH (COLB) with a revision for the year 2001 for someone born in 1961 means absolutely nothing because Barack Hussein Obama II could have been born outside of the USA and still received this document since his mother was a resident of the state.

13. * http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert - This document looks as flaky as: the forged Bush documents that DAN RAthER touted on ABC that got him fired; and John Kerry's DD214 which was not issued until peanuts Carter gave amnesty to the traitors & draft dodgers of his time. You do not need to be a computer expert to question this Certification of Live Birth:

A. The certification number is blocked out (probably by Photoshop), at the bottom of the certificate it says "any alterations invalidates this certificate".

B. The birth supposed to have happened in 1961 but the COLB was printed by a laser printer (non-existent in 1961) on a form revised in 2001.

C. There is no space between ,1 on August 8,1961 as there is between 4, 1 on the August 4, 1961.

D. In 1961 the Birth Certificates were black & white!!!

E. In 1961 Dunham, the mother's race would have been listed as WHITE, not Caucasian.

F. In 1961 Obama, the father's race would have been listed as BLACK or NEGRO, not African.

G. All that Sen. Obama needs to do to clarify the COLB & other facts, questions, notes, and comments made above is to authorize the release of all his original records where ever they maybe found. (Something that John Kerry has never authorized with all of his military records, FBI records, or CIA records!!!)

14. Barack Obama lied to the Illinois Supreme Court when asked to provide former names, according to his attorney registration it just lists Barack Hussein Obama as full name, but his birth certificate on his web page has Barack Hussein Obama II, and his years in Indonesia he was legally Barry Soetoro.

15. Senator Barack Hussein Obama II needs to be also investigated for breaking the Logan Act for both his World Tour trip and his trip to Kenya where Obama has involved himself in Kenyan Internal Politics where he has actively campaigned for Prime Minister Odinga’s Party, the ODM, by making speeches in Kenya.

16. Concerning Obama's allegiance there is at rawstory.com/.../..._put_hand_over_heart_1022.html a movie of Barack Hussein Obama II not standing at attention & putting his right hand over his heart during the National Anthem, instead he has his hands over his crotch while rocking back & forth. As Obama would say: "YES WE CAN". Does Obama's allegiance belong with: UK; Kenya; Indonesia; or Obama's communist mentor from the age of 10 to 18 was "Frank" from Obama's book "Dreams from My Father" which was the sex deviate negroid Frank Marshall Davis who had sex with a 13 year old girl with his wife and Davis espionage against the USA as a member of the Communist Party of United States in Hawaii & ties in Chicago that the FBI has 601 pages documented. Or Obama's connection to the same kind of people in Chicago are: racist hating Dr. Rev. "God **** America" Wright that made an unauthorized trip to Cuba to consult with Comrade Castro and that taught Black Liberation Theology to the Obama's for more than 20 years so Obama thinks he can claim that he is a Christian; his buddies that provided most of Obama's security during the primaries from The Nation of Islam & Louis Farrakhan; the Weather Underground terrorists & Communist the unrepentant William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn where Obama launched his political career at their home; and/or his political financial buddies convicted felon billionaire George Soros & convicted felon Syrian national Tony Rezko??? This is the Obama's "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"!!! Or view next to Obama's photo a Cuban flag with Che Guevara’s portrait in his Texas campaign office: mpinkeyes.wordpress.com/.../ or as he claims he is not or never was a Muslim check on: select.nytimes.com/.../06kristof.html and www.newsmax.com/.../119942.html or his ties to Saudi billionaire Dr. Khalid al-Mansour the financial backer of the Black Panthers and that helped Obama at Harvard: www.newsmax.com/.../127490.html

17. So exactly who is this guy that wants to be our US Commander in Chief of Armed Forces that says: "----we'll make the goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons a central element in our nuclear policy"??? He doesn't want to spend any money on new weaponry technology while we constantly have terrorist threats. The suicidal Mullahs in Iran are on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons but Obama will give us universal health care, do we also get a Geiger counter and iodine tablets??? When Russia invaded democratically elected government of Georgia, Obama called on Georgia to show restraint. Then Comrade Obama's solution was to call on the U.N. Security Council where Russia has veto power, then goes body surfing!!! Do we want the commander in chief to pass the mantle of U.S. leadership to the corrupt U.N.???

18. We are wondering why Obama is not living or running for some communist government office in China after he praises the superior Communist Chinese's infrastructures: "Their ports, their train systems, their airports are vastly the superior to us now...""Beijing looks like a pretty good option." After making comments like this he gets mad because we question his patriotism to the USA.

19. Right from the mouth of a cocaine user Sen. Obama in his memoir "Dreams from My Father," on his drug use "Pot had helped, and booze, maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack though," He was deterred by the image "of an air bubble, shiny and round like a pearl, rolling quietly through my vein and stopping my heart," he says. "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man." And he even explains how he has gotten away with avoiding discussions of his drug use and the technique he used to deceive his mother when she confronted him: "I had given her a reassuring smile and patted her hand and told her not to worry, I wouldn't do anything stupid. It was usually an effective tactic, another of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves." As long as he does not deviate from his teleprompter speech and does not make in sudden moves or thoughts he does not put his foot in his mouth.

20. Senator Barack Hussein Obama II said on CNBC television about his World Tour on July 25: "It has also allowed me to send a message to the American people that the judgments I have made and the judgments I will make are ones that are going to result in them being safer." Do you feel safer now with Obama's judgments, his associations, his friends that he has made, and that he represents the Democrat's candidate for the President of the USA???

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 9:21PM
HistorianDude says:

John Boxter wrote:

"surely the hospital must know about this controversy, and would at least make an official statement, and end this matter,"

They cannot. Doing so would violate the Health Insurance Portability and Privacy Act (HIPPA). Fortunately, Obama took them off the hook with his personal letter claiming birth there. Their public posting of his letter on their anniversary website is as official a statement as they can make by law.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 9:27PM
joel says:

Spencer,
You article will be more formidable if you read this FAQ at

http://tinyurl.com/obamafaq

This website shows proof of what hospital in Hawaii, Obama was born. The proof!!!!

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:04PM
cathy says:

Obama was born in Hawaii!!!!

Read the evidence here........

http://sites.google.com/site/obamabirth/Home/obama-short-form-birth-certificate


there... Obama was born in Hawaii.. and so was Sun Yat Sen ..

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:10PM
john boxster says:

Man O Man TEXASTROOPER
Thats a lot of information, sounds like Obama shouldn't even be allowed to work as a gardener at the whitehouse, it's amazing how obama can be allowed to remain in office if even half of this information is correct, but having one of the most powerful positions in the world he would have the power to change the facts, sounds like our country is in serious trouble,

and HistorianDude if what you say is true, then it WOULD be Obamas duty to prove his birthplace,

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:16PM
Carly says:

And the birfers arrive. LOL!!!

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:30PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Spencer: The only thing missing from your story is how WorldNetDaily and birfer Godfather Joseph Farah refused to comment for this story, saying he didn't want his cause besmirched by this immoral paper, per his general sentiment. For a guy who whines how the MSM ignores his pitiful cause, how stupid of him!

To all the birfers: your cause makes the Truthers seem as sure as the sunrise by comparison.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:37PM
Shrieking wombat says:

This probably violates all rules of fair use, but here are yet more frightening made-up facts about Barck Obama:

FACT! Barack Obama and Sixties radical Bill Ayers were both associated with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a radical education foundation whose radical goal is to radically educate black children by educating them ... while they are still black.

FACT! Barack Obama spent 20 years in the same church as radically black pastor Jeremiah Wright, who has been known to make such incendiary claims as "white people enslaved black people" and "white people killed Native Americans." Is Barack Obama part of the international black conspiracy to trick white people into thinking about racism? Answer: maybe.

FACT! Barack Obama has been friends with Rashid Khalidi, an openly Arab Arab who is so Arab he writes about other Arabs. Is Barack Obama part of the international Arab conspiracy to trick white people into thinking about Arabs? Answer: also maybe.

FACT! Barack Obama talks about his white mother and his white grandparents and the white half of his family that is white, but did you know that half of his family is also black? In fact, half his family is so black that Obama keeps them hidden away on a whole other continent where they speak in a strange, otherworldly code which is not even English. What is Obama trying to hide? Possibly something black. BONUS FACT! Barack Obama may be half-white and half-black, but he married a woman who is completely black. In a way, doesn't that make him three-quarters black? Math doesn't lie, people!

FACT! "Obama" is an ancient Muslim name meaning "He who deceives the white man with his telegenic charisma, angular good looks, and deceptively conservative policy proposals." Coincidence? Or co-bama?

FACT! The previous fact was made up. But doesn't the fact that it was so easily made up prove that a kernel of truth must exist within the lie, and doesn't the existence of that kernel of truth prove that the lie is, in fact, true? Think about it! But not very hard!

FACT! Barack Obama was a community organizer. Acorn is made of community organisers. Acorns come from oak trees. Oak trees belong to the genus Quercus, which includes Quercus faginea, the Portuguese oak. The prime minister of Portugal is José Sócrates, whose last name looks like Socrates, who lived in Athens, which is also a city in Georgia, whose state fruit is the peach, which is native to China, which is exactly what Osama bin Laden was eating while he was plotting to destroy the Twin Towers. It's all connected, people - they just don't want you to know! And they could be black.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/15/who-is-barack-obama


Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 18 2009 @ 10:44PM
aarrgghh says:

there is one thing that worldnutdaily consistently and conveniently forgets to mention while they separate the birfers from their money: they themselves examined and verified obama's birth certificate in august 2008 as well as discredited the anonymous internet "document experts" who called the certificate a fake:

a separate WND investigation into obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. the investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

read their report for yourself on wnd's own website:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

it's something to consider while you read their billboards that demand to see a document they've already validated ...

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 1:05AM
J Jaye says:


There are many unanswered questions that would have been answered had Obama been vetted. It doesn't matter if he was born in Hawaii, by his own admission, he holds dual citizenship, due to the fact that his father was a British Subject. Dual citizenship is not "natural born citizenship.

"Natural born Citizen" status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization. This unity of jus soli (soil) and jus sanguinis (descent) in the child at the time of birth assures that the child is born with sole allegiance (obligation of fidelity and obedience to government in consideration for protection that government gives (U.S. v. Kuhn, 49 F.Supp.407, 414 (D.C.N.Y)) and loyalty to the United States and that no other nation can lay any claim to the child's (later an adult) allegiance and loyalty.

Article II of our Constitution distinguishes a "natural born citizen" from a citizen. The difference is that ONLY a natural born citizen is eligible to hold the office of the president. The framers of our Constitution were safeguarding against any president having competing loyalties.

Naturl born citizenship is not a requirement for eligibility to be a senator or congressperson. This is exclusively a requirement of eligibility for the presidency. That is why "naturalized citizens" and anchor babies (14th amendment citizens)cannot be president.

Regardless of the outcome the eligibility question should be answered. If the natural born citizen eligibility requirement is ignored and historical and/or legal precedent is set, there is no safeguard that whoever comes after Obama, in the future, will not have competing loyalties to a foreign nation. What ever our political affiliation may be, as Americans we should all be very concerned about this matter.

Allow me to clarify some misinformation about Obamas'father. He was not an immigrant. He was a student studying in the US with no intention of immigrating. He returned to Kenya directly after he completed his studies.

And by the way, I am a democrat, and I did not vote for Hilary. It just so happens that I am an American who places country above political affiliation and/or any politician.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 2:37AM
asiliveandbreathe says:

So, let me get this straight, birthers don't want Obama to be president because there is "question" of his natural born citizenship, yet they are organizing rallies to get Jindal elected president? Jindal wasn't a citizen until he was in grade school..... is it because he's whiter than Obama?

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 5:16AM
Patrick McKinnion says:

asiliveandbreathe - Jindal was born in the United States, so, like Obama, he's a "natural-born citizen". The difference is that while Obama's mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, neither of Gov. Jindal's parents were US citizen's at the time of his birth, (he's even jokingly called himself an "anchor baby". Neither parent met the residency requirements for naturalized US citizenship at the time of Gov. Jindal's birth, and both were still citizens of India. For that matter, it's likely that Gov. Jindal had dual-citizenship (US/India)at birth, and even now retains either Indian citizenship from birth and/or Overseas Citizenship of India.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 7:16AM
Cymraeg says:

To John Boxster:

I have to admire you for the voluminous amount of time you spent creating tarw baw or taureau merde if you will. Virtually everything you state is false. e.g. Contrary to what you have postulated the United States Congress has never surrendered the right to determine US citizenship to foreign governments.

You are a colossal fool.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 8:05AM
Birthers/Truthers vs Deniers says:

BTW:
BO's mom Stanley Ann Dunham got pregnant when she was 17 yrs old and unmarried in 1960.
Where are the LETTERMAN JOKES?

Orly Taitz isn't trying ot get Obama out of office NEITHER is anyone else. We are trying to follow the Constitution and make sure the LAW is followed. If BO is qualified he can't be removed BUT WHAT IF HE ISN'T QUALIFIED? Will ObaMORON DENIERS keep defending him if he is Not Qualified?

The BaWRECK Obamerica has started.
BO Got BC? NBC?
LQQK see: www.wnd.com


PS about www.wnd.com stating at one time that he seemed eligible, things change. Factcheck and many other sites CHANGES their "truth" all the time as new evidence is discovered. The difference is that when WND says he is eligible THEY are Truthers but when they find more info an dsay he may not be eligible and demand a BC they are Liars.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 8:30AM
Mary Adams says:

@TEXASTROOPER

What an amazing collection of lies, misstatements and laughable illogical arguments!

My favorite: "Every illegal alien born in Hawaii gets a Hawaiian COLB!!!"

LOL!

Your whole copy/paste diatribe is as truthful and logical as that hysterical sentence.
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@Shrieking wombat

Too funny! Favorite part:

"FACT! The previous fact was made up. But doesn't the fact that it was so easily made up prove that a kernel of truth must exist within the lie, and doesn't the existence of that kernel of truth prove that the lie is, in fact, true? Think about it! But not very hard!"
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@J Jaye

Nowhere in the constitution does it say "Dual citizenship is not 'natural born' citizenship."

In fact, the Supreme court has ruled that a person born in the US of parents who were BOTH Italian citizens, who resided in the US for just a few months after his birth, is a natural born citizen.

Mandoli v. Acheson, 344 U.S. 133 (1952)

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/cases.html#Mandoli

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 8:34AM
TEXASTROOPER says:

VATTEL AND NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ---AKA OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT
CLICK ON THIS LINK TO SEE A VERY SIMPLE CHART THAT LAYS OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, CITIZEN AND NATIVE BORN CITIZEN.....
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work -- The Law of Nations -- applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.

The Law of Nations was so influential in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the U. S. Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.

Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the "Natural Born Citizen" phrase. It nails what is meant by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.

It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Obama, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the U. S. Constitution Section 1 Article 2.

"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
It's About
Loyalty The Founders wanted the President to be a Natural Born Citizen to ensure that the ONE person sitting at the top of the Executive branch had UNQUESTIONABLE, UNWAVERING loyalty to the United States, first and foremost.

At one point, the delegates writing the Constitution in 1787 considered THREE "presidents" in the Executive for "checks and balances." They considered a "natural born citizen" clause for Senators as well. Debating those issues, they felt that a "natural born citizen" clause for Senators would limit the pool of possible candidates and could cause bad feelings with immigrants needed to "jump start" the newly-formed republic.

In the end, the Framers compromised that Senators be required to be US residents for 9 years, while striking the "natural born citizen" clause for the office.

The Framers also compromised on ONE Executive vs. THREE. But to ensure "checks and balances," the Framers inserted in Art II, Sect. 1, Clause 5: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."

The natural born citizen clause was NOT an accident, nor was it an inane rule to be restrictive to immigrants, and it certainly isn't just a "political" issue. Loyalty to the US is the reason the natural born citizen clause was inserted into the Constitution.
1st U. S.
Congress
Parents (pl) In the official copies of the THIRD U.S. Congress (1795) margin notes state "Former act repealed. 1790. ch. 3." referencing the FIRST U.S. Congress (1790).

Document ONE: the actual text of the THIRD CONGRESS in 1795 states, "...children of citizens [plural, i.e. two parents] of the United States...shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (THIRD CONGRESS Sess. II. Ch.21. 1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: "How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents" Document margin note: "Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3.") See Attachment A.

Document TWO: the actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 states,
"...children of citizens (NB: plural, i.e. two parents) of the United States...shall be considered as natural born citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (FIRST CONGRESS Sess. II Ch.4 1790, Approved March 26, 1790, pp. 103-104. Document margin note: "Their children residing here, deemed citizens." Document margin note: "Also, children of citizens born beyond sea, & c. Exceptions.") See Attachment B.

Document THREE: the actual text of the Constitution from the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, 1774-1789, and subsequent official printings, of the Constitution of the United States of American: Article II Section 1 Clause 5 states,
"No person, except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President…" See Attachment C.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

This Chart defines the three different types of U.S. Citizens as referenced in the U.S. Constitution and caselaw.

Constitutional TermParentsConjunction (And, Or)Location of BirthConjunction (And, Or)OtherLegal Reference

Natural Born Citizen

(Obama is not one of these)
Both are U.S. Citizens at time child was bornAND Born in the U.S. mainland

A. U.S. Const., Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5

B. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

C. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

D. Resolution of 110th Congress 2nd Session April 10, 2008 submitted by Obama, Clinton and others
Citizen of the U.S. Born to at least 1 U.S. Citizen Parent (under federal statute) OR Born in the U.S. mainlandOR Naturalized

A. U.S. Const. 14th Amend., Sec. 1

B. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

C. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

Native Born Citizen Born in the U.S. mainland

A. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

B. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)


Note: The above chart is attributed to and used by permission from www.TheObamaFile.com

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 8:56AM
Mary Adams says:

@TEXASTROOPER

Some old Swiss guy didn't write our constitution.

"Mandoli v. Acheson, 344 U.S. 133 (1952)

Joseph Mandoli was a dual US/Italian citizen by birth (born in the US to Italian parents). He left the US as an infant and moved to Italy with his parents. When he sought to return to the US in 1937..."

The Supreme Court ruled that he was a natural-born US citizen.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/cases.html#Mandoli

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 10:33AM
Patrick McKinnion says:

TexasTrooper - You do know you're citing an English translation of deVattel that dates to 1883, almost 100 years after the Constitution was written. If the founders of the Constitution used the original French of deVattel, then the phrase is "Les Naturels ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de Parens Citoyens." Notice that "natural-born citizen" is not in that phrase.

The first English translation of deVattel's work was published in London in 1760. Quote:

""The citizens are the members of the civil fociety: bound to this fociety by certain duties, and fubject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens"

The first American version was in 1787, and the wording is identical. It's hard to see how the framers of the Constitution would have used deVattel to define a term that wasn't IN any of the translations available at that time OR the original French.

Besides which, the framers of the Constitution were more familar with English common law and legalists such as William Blackstone, as the basis of US law was that of English common law. For example, as he wrote in 1753:

"THE firft and moft obvious divifion of the people is into aliens and natural-born fubjects. Natural-born fubjects are fuch as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, fuch as are born out of it."

Basically English common law held that in English Law the following two types of children would be considered natural-born subjects of the crown of England: (1) a child born in England of aliens of England, and (2) a child born outside England of natural-born subjects of the crown of England.

One year after the Constitution was ratified, the phrase natural born citizens was used in the Naturalization Act of 1790:

"And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided,...

This Act was superseded by the Naturalization Act of 1795 in which, in the matching text, the phrase natural born citizens was removed:

...and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided,...

As for US v Wong Kim Ark and Perkins v Elg, you do realize that the courts ruled that the people in question were US citizens from birth iregardless of the citizenship of the parents, right?

The argument that a "natural-born citizen" equals a US citizen born from two US citizen parents is an argument that has no basis in the US Constitution OR that of US case law and history. There is no three levels of citizenship in US law, one is either:

a) A citizen from birth, either due to being born in the United States, (at which point the citizenship of the parents is meaningless) or born overseas to a US citizen parent or parents

b) A naturalized citizen, unable to become President.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 10:59AM
Dr. Conspiracy says:

John Boxster notes that there is no official statement on the Kapi'olani Medical Center about President Obama being born there. There is an article in the Honolulu Advertiser interviewing a hospital spokesperson, who said that they couldn't make such an announcement because of Federal privacy regulations (HIPAA). She said that she wished she could confirm it, but "our hands are tied".

One might say that the President essentially waived his HIPAA rights with his public letter. That's not correct in the technical sense because a HIPAA compliant release requires more in it than the letter says (specifically the conditions under which a release of personal health information and the purposes for the release). But the larger problem for the hospital is that the President cannot authorize release of information on behalf of his late mother. While a matter of controversy, many professionals have concluded that HIPAA privacy rights continue after death.

However, they weren't prohibited from reading and publishing the President's letter. There's no way the hospital would have published and used that letter so prominently if it weren't true. President Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 1:35PM
Paul says:

That dentist chic is kinda cougarific hot.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 4:34PM
nada says:

"they would do a great service by releasing a letter or official statement regarding Obama being born there,especially with billboards now questioning his birthplace, and people investing tens of thousands of dollars in hard earned dollars in that project, and I am sure 99% of the main stream media would be happy to report on that, and make the people questioning his birthplace look foolish..."


No MSM required -- y'all have done that yourselves. Do I sense buyer's remorse?

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 5:19PM
nada says:

...Adding, that saying it over and over again and spending millions of dollars still won't make it true. Sorta like the "flesh and blood man" defense...

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 5:21PM
john boxster says:

Cymraeg,the only COLOSSAL FOOL here is you, as you must have me mixed up with someone else,I never said United States Congress has never surrendered the right to determine US citizenship to foreign governments. I like a lot of people just have some questions I would like to have answered, if asking questions is now illegal in the united states, Excusssse me, blow your nose and clear your head before you start calling names, name calling a sign of low intelligence

Posted On: Saturday, Jun. 20 2009 @ 9:07PM
john boxster says:

Mary Adams You are hearing back from me, can you give a good reason why a sitting president who keeps talking about transparency, would keep his B.C, school records, collage records,basically all his past records SEALED, here and in Kenya, I believe Mary Adams if you were President of the United states and you had nothing to hide and you were asked for your past records you would give any and all records to the public to see, and put at ease and end all controversy's,

if you decide to run for president let me know and I would be happy to vote for you as I believe you are the type of person , that believes in freedom of knowledge

Posted On: Saturday, Jun. 20 2009 @ 10:19PM
sarah says:

So are there any updates to her meeting with the California Republican Assembly?

Posted On: Sunday, Jun. 21 2009 @ 6:39AM
sarah says:

Now That's it! She's offering to keep Cheney safe from prosecution! See her comment at the bottom!

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=2522#comments

Posted On: Tuesday, Jun. 23 2009 @ 9:02AM
smrstrauss says:

Re: ""Natural born Citizen" status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization. This unity of jus soli (soil) and jus sanguinis (descent) in the child at the time of birth assures that the child is born with sole allegiance (obligation of fidelity and obedience to government in consideration for protection that government gives..."

Who said that a Natural Born Citizen is the unity if jus soli and jus sanguinis? If there were a law passed after the Constitution were written along the lines "the president must have two parents who were citizens...' or if that were in the constitution itself, or if it were in the Federalist Papers. But there is nothing.

Since there is nothing (other than Vattel, and the writers of the constitution did not adopt a lot of things that Vattel recommended), the reference to "natural born" must be to the law at the time that they wrote the words. The law at the time that they wrote the words was British common law, and the laws of the colonies and states under the confederation. And the law at the time was that a natural born subject was someone who was born in the territory. In our case, the country.

So the law at the time was that "Natural born" was a synonym for native born or "born in the country." And what does it mean today? The same thing. The 14th amendment says that all who are born in the USA must be citizens, no exceptions. Is that a synonym for "natural born." Yes, there even has been a Supreme Court case that says that someone born in the USA is "natural born."

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 25 2009 @ 9:11AM
smrstrauss says:

Re: "Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution."

There is no evidence for this. A search of the on-line papers of Madison, Hamiliton and Jefferson shows that they referred to Vattel ONLY for his expertise on international law. They never wrote anything like: "we should follow Vattel on two parents." Vattel recommended that a country should establish a religion. We did not follow that.

So he was not, by far, the leading expert we followed. That would have been Montesque.

Moreover, there was another expert whom the writers of the Constituion followed, Blackstone, and he used the term "natural born" to indicate birth in a territory, with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats.

Posted On: Thursday, Jun. 25 2009 @ 9:29AM
JackO says:

It is a fact of life that believers must believe, and must deny anything that contradicts their belief.
If you believe in whom you voted for, you will defend your belief , as to do otherwise would indicate that you may have been duped
If you think that another person is evil for believing that your beliefs are wrong, are you not, yourself, an evil person, who can not believe that you could possibly be wrong.

whether you are right or wrong , impute not evil onto others.

If you think a statement is wrong, dispute the statement , not the entity that made the statement!

Dispute away!

Jack

Posted On: Monday, Jun. 29 2009 @ 9:41PM
Sick&TiredofConservatives says:

Birthers,

just admit it...Obama is BLACK, and the thought of a BLACK man leading your country is too much to take. You're racist, and that's fine. I could care less if you are, but please stop believing in conspiracy theories from crazy people with minimal intelligence. If you're prejudiced, I can wrap my mind around that. Just don't dress it up in crazy. It insults your intelligence...or lack of it, if you're willing to believe crap like that.

Posted On: Friday, Jul. 17 2009 @ 2:21AM
Matt in McMinnville says:

Looks like alot of people are upset about having an educated black guy for president.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 28 2009 @ 4:29PM
mark says:

is she a real women......she looks like a drag-queen from hell

Posted On: Friday, Jul. 31 2009 @ 7:29AM
the Big Al says:

I really think she ought to be invited to host SNL next fall, and that she and Sarah "pals around with" Palin should hook up for a talk show on one of those wacky radio stations like "The Flag."

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 1 2009 @ 11:27AM
jason says:

this is an important thing to argue about. I'm glad everyone is spending some time on this.

Posted On: Tuesday, Aug. 4 2009 @ 10:53AM
Pat says:

Call me naive, but I have always been under that the assumption that anyone making extraordinary claims should have the burden of proof.

Factually the rabidity of birthers, the way they dogmatically pursue an agenda - meaning: start with a false claim, and when disproved find another, repeat and rinse - should been enough for anyone with a modest ability for critical thinking to rank them with the rest of the deluded fools plaguing this nation.

Was I a conspiracy theorist I would propose that the current Republican leaders, followers and assorted nutters were all a big plan to forever and permanently discredit the Right in general population.

I would feel compassionate and suggest seeking some form of mental health assistance, if many were not using such violent and threatening intimidation methods to attempt silencing anyone not infected with their memes and hallucinations.

I am sure Tim Leary could have said interesting things about folks like that.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 5 2009 @ 10:16AM
Florida Christian says:

Hey Dumbocrats, this could all be laid to rest if Obama would just submit a DNA sample proving he is really human and not a shape shifiting Reptiallian alien from Draco!

god you socialists are dumb!

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 5 2009 @ 3:58PM
Biblebelt Snapper says:

Florida Christian, your absolutally rite. Nobody but us ritcheous, white christians - at minimum episcopal but Baptist or plain CoE is okay - should be allowed to launch nucular weapons. The rest is too dum to handled that responsability.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 5 2009 @ 7:53PM
Anonymous says:

"Natural born citizen" Does that mean that if you were born by C-section, you are ineligible to be POTUS?

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 6 2009 @ 7:59AM
Guy says:

Pretty sure it's "Santos L. Halper"

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 7 2009 @ 10:05AM
Follow the Constitution says:

Mary Adams says:
@TEXASTROOPER

Some old Swiss guy didn't write our constitution.

"Mandoli v. Acheson, 344 U.S. 133 (1952)

Joseph Mandoli was a dual US/Italian citizen by birth (born in the US to Italian parents). He left the US as an infant and moved to Italy with his parents. When he sought to return to the US in 1937..."

The Supreme Court ruled that he was a natural-born US citizen.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/cases.html#Mandoli

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 19 2009 @ 10:33AM

============================

Did you even READ this case??? It says NOTHING about being a "natural born citizen". They only ruled that he could not lose his "US Citizenship". Nowhere in this case did it say anything about him being a "natural born citizen". It did make mention in the arguments of the case about being a NATIVE born citizen, which is not the same as being a NATURAL born citizen.

The only thing this case provides is a ruling that Obama would not lose his US Citizenship IF in fact he was actually born on US soil. But this has nothing to do with "natural born citizen" status.

Posted On: Sunday, Aug. 30 2009 @ 4:58PM
Sunnstarr says:

Something of Interest, posted elsewhere on the Net:

“Discovery hearing re. Obama’s Kenyan BC, request for depositions of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates scheduled for September 8th, 8am.

08/21/2009 44 MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: ORDER SETTING SEPTEMBER 8, 2009 HEARING ONMOTIONS: (See document for
details.) In summary, the Court sets for hearing at 8:00 a.m. on September 8, 2009, (1) the Discovery Motion, (2) the Service Notice, and (3) the Ex Parte Application. All parties are ordered to be present. The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the action. (rla) (Entered: 08/21/2009)

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