Santa Ana "Resurrected"? When Did it Ever Die?

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Fourth Street, SanTana: mid 1950s. What was so great about these segregated days?
Orange County is a place where booster myths have masqueraded as fact and history since the days of Serra, but an article in this month's Orange Coast by former Los Angeles Times writer Agustín Gurza on SanTana and its Artists Village takes the orange crate label. It starts with the title ("The Resurrection of Santa Ana," implying the county seat was once dead, which should come as a surprise to all the Mexicans who've continuously been around the town for, oh, the past 110 years) and only gets stranger and more inaccurate from there.

Gurza's thesis is that all the controversies surround the establishment of the Artists Village in the middle of one of the most Latino big cities in the United States are over, that hipster and bohemian now cohabit fine with wab, and that he can't believe it but now firmly does, and did Mayor Don Papi Pulido mug Gurza and take over the keyboard for a bit? There is no mention in the article of the Renaissance Specific Plan, about its chronic infection of conflict-of-influenza, and how those same activists Gurza describes as essentially accepting of the city's initiative to establish a hip downtown by subsidy (bowdlerized in the piece as redevelopment funds) were the very "rabble-rousers" who stopped that plan cold last year. Or the vacancies plaguing the area. Or all the struggles that the annual Dia de los Muertos event have in trying to placate the loft dwellers next to the Yost Theater (no mention of that place at all), or the organizers' eternal suspicion of the artists in the area for better or worse.

And some of Gurza's statements are flat-out wrong.

SanTana is not the "Rodney Dangerfield of Orange County cities"; that would be Stanton. SanTana is our Norma Desmond--the former belle of the ball, now schizo about its reality. Those "Tijuana taxis" Gurza says are now gone from Fourth Street are still there; my uncle took one the other week. SanTana still has a stigma in the rest of Orange County, will have one until Mexicans take over South County as well--that's the sad truth, one Artist Village boosters just don't want to believe. Out-of-towners have been afraid to pass through SanTana since at least the 1960s; I have an Orange County Register article from 1986 in which Santa Ana Chamber of Commerce head Mike Metzler says his then-girlfriend from Anaheim would bypass the city when going to the beach. In the 1960s, when our Sunkist memories residents say the city was still the center of life in Orange County and free of the illegal-alien invasion.

And the whole idea that the downtown where the Artist Village now exists was dead and that all those quinceañera shops nearby made non-Mexis "feel exluded" is not only contradictory but downright dismissive of the merchants who give the city its second-largest shopping base after MainPlace. "Santa Ana now stands for something, and it's not gangs or illegal immigrants," Gurza wrote. "It stands for art that's edgy and experimental, informal and antiestablishment, as the artists themselves define it. But it also stands for a pioneer spirit, the spirit of visionaries who took chances, not knowing what the future would bring."

And all those Mexicans who filled up those spaces when no one else would and without the city's help? Not pioneers? Then maybe Injuns who merely occupied the land until the wasichu arrived and developed the frontier to its full potential? See how ridiculous Gurza's argument stands?

What's most surprising about the piece is that it's Gurza who wrote it. Back in the day, Gurza was Orange County's Ruben Salazar, a crusading columnist (first with the Register, then the Times, back in the days when paper could afford Latino columnists) so Aztlanista he'd made me look like Lupe Moreno. Wrote great pieces about Latino O.C.--its trials and tribulations, history and haters. The Times stupidly axed his column axed in 2001, and he continued as an excellent arts and culture writer. Gurza isn't clueless, but has his time away from the city he once covered warped his writing knife?

Oh, and before my amigos come out of the shadows and paint me as some Artist Village antagoniste: stop it. Either Edwin or I have praised every non-Mexican downtown restaurant except one. Johnny Sampson at Memphis gets me wasted nearly every week. I have friends who own businesses or galleries in the area. Don't go to many of the galleries, but that's because my idea of art largely ends at Norman Rockwell and R. Crumb (am going to that show at the Grand Central Arts Station). No, what's offensive to me is the idea that the area was dead until the city stepped into save it. Sure, it wasn't the most appealing of spots (my father lived in SanTana during the 1970s and frequented downtown through the end of his alcoholic days in the mid-1980s, and he says there were bars even he wouldn't frequent).

But there were Mexicans there. Mexicans saved SanTana's downtown. Mexicans believed in it back in the days when Don Papi fought against the very redevelopment he now proposes. They filled the buildings no one else would at the time, and with no city funds. If it weren't for Mexicans, SanTana would've probably knocked down the historic buildings that make the Artist Village so purty like Anaheim did with its old downtown. But credit something good to Mexicans in this county? Nah...
 
Full disclosure: Gurza doesn't particularly like me, but is my Facebook friend.
Fuller disclosure: He concludes his piece with glowing words about my chica and her store. Fullest disclosure: I'm from Anaheim. We're the true center of la naranja. Wabaheim RAWWWWWWWWWWKS! 

Comments (27)

Rich Kane says:

Wow. How unfortunate for Orange Coast. And those lines Gustavo quotes read like Chamber of Commerce spiel.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 12 2009 @ 11:27AM
Agustin Gurza says:

Gustavo: Hey, I like you fine. Smart, funny, good writer. What's not to like? It's your so-called "Mexican" column I don't particularly care for. It misrepresents Mexicans, I say. Which I guess is what you say about my Artists Village story, that it misrepresents Santa Ana. I still love the place, and I was glad to see it had remained essentially unchanged. The story says that. The other comments, such as the Rodney Dangerfield crack, were meant to represent how outsiders saw Santa Ana. The new image, as an arts center, was also stated from their point of view. But the fact remains that at night, after 7 pm, downtown was dead. The night life there is new, and the Artists Village deserves credit for that. As for those Tijuana Taxis, I never said they disappeared "from Fourth Street," as you claim. But they were systematically shooed away from Second Street where they had their main taxi stop, until police started harassing them to pave the way for the artists plan. (See my front-page OC Register story of Feb. 20, 1995: 'Tijuana Taxis' are a source of livelihoods -- and friction. SOCIAL ISSUES: The underground ferry used by many Santa Ana residents troubles merchants and police.") One more correction to your critique: The Fourth Street shopping district you highlight as independent was indeed developed with redevelopment money, and lots of it. That's also documented in the paper.
I haven't lost my fighting spirit, Gustavo, but my brain is still working too. So I stand by my conclusions, looking at the city with fresh eyes based on my new reporting. Your friend on and off Facebook, Agustin.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 12 2009 @ 11:59AM
Eric Prado says:

Agustin you're story was very inaccurate and did get a great laugh out of my family as I read it to them and others who happen to read it. I guess the writing was appropriate given the type of great over-sensualization found in the Orange Coast. Add the aforementioned the publication's demographics:
% OF FEMALE READERS 63
AVERAGE AGE 52
AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME $301,000
AVERAGE NET WORTH $2,198,000
AVG INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO $1,651,000
OWN A HOME 91%
AVG HOME VALUE $1,497,000

i get you have to write to the audience (i know from experience), but you still have to maintain events and the surrounding cultural perception intact. There is almost a distinct dichotomy regarding feelings on Santa Ana: those who live here and those who do not. This concept can be found running in parallel with many cities throughout the state; Oakland, Los Angeles, San Jose are a few that come to mind.

Sometimes one thinks what is written may not be seen by a given demographic, but Orange Coast was one of the table toppers at the office and one which made its way to the bathroom; usually by way of the dominant demographic. you did a bad job giving a sense of what the area is really about. some of the homeless in the area are a riot.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 12 2009 @ 2:25PM
citizen says:

"Fourth Street, SanTana: mid 1950s. What was so great about these segregated days?"... ask Gustavo.

Well Gustavo, the white people were not killed by the Mexicans.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 12 2009 @ 2:56PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Agustín: Stand by your conclusions all you want; the beating you're taking on Facebook shows I'm not the only one who thinks you're laughably wrong. Want to explain again when SanTana died?

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 12 2009 @ 10:18PM
Agustin Gurza says:

Gustavo: Anyone who knows the history of Santa Ana knows the downtown area was not only dead but decomposing before the city pumped in millions in redevelopment money to create the Fiesta Marketplace in the 1980s. Until then, much of Fourth Street was blighted (to resurrect an urban renewal term) with cheap bars and the like. The nearby Civic Center area continued its decline into the 90s, with near-empty office buildings abandoned by attorneys and bankers who had fled to South County as immigrants filled the city. (See my OC Register story of Nov. 3, 1995, "Santa Ana: Ghost Town.”) The history is all there, but many young people, even in Santa Ana, are not aware of it, which may explain a lot of the flailing on Facebook. Orange Coast Magazine made an important contribution in providing that historical perspective. People may not like to hear it, but nobody has yet to cite (and back up) a single factual inaccuracy in my article, despite all the rotten tomatoes being tossed. Agustin.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 8:35AM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Sorry, but you contradicted yourself again. A place blighted with cheap bars "and the like" (like what? Places catering to Mexicans?) isn't dead; might not be your idea of beauty, but it shows life. None of the people who grew up in SanTana ever thought their city dead; why didn't you get their side? You want a dead urban area? Try Detroit. Factual inaccuracy? I and my Facebook amigos gave you a chingo; to dismiss their criticism as mere "flailing" is the height of arrogance and not the Gurza many of them remember. Your piece will stand alongside Old Mission Brand crates as a piece of beautiful propaganda.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 10:51AM
black says:

Try Detroit?..... Gustavo?

Sure Gustavo, Black town can be dead but the Mexican Santa Ana is full of life as long as there is plenty of cervesa, shooting and killing.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 11:38AM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Black aka citizen: stop with the sock-puppetry or you WILL get booted. You've been warned...as for your comment, when the former mayor (black) proposed knocking down neighborhoods because they're abandoned, THAT'S a dead part of town.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 11:41AM
Benjamin says:

Gurza,
You wrote for your paper and not the people of Santa Ana. So many parts just seem blatant racist, Tijuana Taxi's that were driven out by the conquering hipsters for one. Anglos having a feeling of exclusion on fourth street is another. How many Santaneros have you seen in the Artist Village? I am talking about the women pushing strollers from the other side of first. Or the families pushed out of the apartments on Broadway and 1st. Gentrification picks on poor people and labels them the criminal or problem. This is exactly what your article has done. You didn't end you writing on the edge of the Artist Village and after 7pm, you described the whole downtown. Its very easy what you think; poor Mexicans (BAD), hipsters (GOOD).

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 12:06PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

I thought I recognized that mangled English syntax! Stanley: you're still banned, so slag off because any further comments by you WILL get deleted until you apologize for your Mater Dei sin against me.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 12:34PM
Figures... says:

So I gave in and read Agustin's article.

1) I agree with only one thing, yes there is more of a night life. That had NOTHING to do with the ARTS, and everything to do with LIQUOR LICENSES.

2) 4th St. continues to bring the $$, even though I'm sure they've been hit by the economic downturn like anyone.

You want to maximize Santa Ana's potential, let Santa Ana's resident's have a say on what they'd like to see here.

Do you know what we're missing?
Mexican BARS/Nightclubs (have you seen what they have in Cancun, Mexico City, Acapulco?) Not even LA, Las Vegas or NY can compete.
You could have Salsa, Rock, Hip Hop, Dance places that would really represent a downtown.

It's sad that Santa Ana's young resident's have to leave the city for entertainment. There are venues in IRVINE, NEWPORT and COSTA MESA that will take their money, but nada en Santa Ana...

FARMER's MARKET (Mercado Style) - Think LA's Farmer Market with all the trappings of a Mexico City Mercado. I bet they would have the coolest wrestling "mascaras".

RETAIL - Want to see what happens if you had SEARS, BEST BUY, GAP, Banana, mixed in with FAMSA, ELEKTRA, Northgate, Specialty shops...

FOOT TRAFFIC or "un chingo de gente"

The numbers are there, the leadership is missing.

Can't make apple pie with tortillas, but you can make some bad ass nachos.

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 12:50PM
gabriel san roman says:

Gurza: It's about your presentation and journalistic bend in the article.

A friend of mine sent an email a few months ago inviting a group of us out to a pub crawl at many of the establishments that you mention. The text affirmed the supposed 'fears' of Santa Ana calling it 'trashy' but tried to reassuringly note that the bars look pretty nice. Even with the email, I'm down for my friend and all, but this is the gist of the tension that remains.

What about the race and class aspects of these perceptions? Why don't you tackle them more seriously instead of consigning them to the past? Problems of housing and gangs aren't solved by the 'burdens' endured by entrepreneurial Kiplings! How about a blurb from at least one critical perspective about the AV? As you can see from the response, such a voice isn't hard to find.

When I look at the city of Santa Ana, I see young Latinos everywhere. When I look at greater Los Angeles, it is with envy as I see a resurgent music scene of Latin indie groups and venues that support their young Latino artists and musicians.

They at least have Eastside Luv in Boyle Heights (which was already hot before you got there with your pen) Juanitas in Highland Park, La Cita's Mucho Wednesdays in Downtown LA. Santa Ana? Next to nothing...save for the "asterisks" you topically treat in your "beyond the village" subsection. In this regard, the vision of Santa Ana that you laud is indeed a virtual ghost town.

One arts institution so beyond the village that you failed to mention it was breath of fire theater. Thankfully, the OC Weekly has been much more gracious to the company that has for the past two years presented works that shine light on issues of Mexican history in Orange County, immigration, AB540 students and other things that reflect the community at large, something that your article largely fails to do.

Instead, what we are presented with is a hagiography of the AV that you claim has transformed the city's image into one that's "edgy and experimental, informal and anti-establishment." anti-establishment...with city money!

Signed,
KPFK pocho

Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 13 2009 @ 1:24PM
Agustin Gurza says:

Pocho: The social critiques of the Artists Village may still be valid, but I wasn’t assigned to write a sociological analysis of the issues. This was meant to be an update on the Artists Village for people who may want to check it out. The fact that I knew all the history and associated class conflicts gave the story a dimension it may not have otherwise had. Yes, finding critics would be easy, not to mention redundant. But I was asked for my contemporary assessment, and I think I did a fair job in summarizing past opposition and the lingering feelings against gentrification.
As for the lack of Latino venues, I totally agree with you. But whose fault is that? The Gabachos (to use The Mexican's favorite term) who opened places like The Crosby are just doing what they think is cool. Why don’t Latinos do the same, instead of just griping from the sidelines? For its size, LA should have a much stronger indie music scene than the few places you mention. The problem is that not enough young Latinos patronize such places, probably because they’re all at Morrissey concerts or swarming Coachella. If the Santa Ana scene is barren, as you say, we only have ourselves to blame.
As for your parting shot about artists being anti-establishment with city money, sorry, but that’s Palin logic. City funds went mostly to refurbish the Grand Central Building ten years ago. Most artists are just scraping by without any subsidies. Nice try. Agustin

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 14 2009 @ 9:11AM
Morrissey is Mexican says:

Gurza:

Try getting a business license/liquor license past the Sith Walters and the Emperor Ream when your surname is hispanic.

THAT'S WHY THERE IS A LACK OF LATINO VENUES.

The point of Gustavo's response was your article's assertion that Santa Ana had died.
Your assessment was ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

Sent from a Morrissey concert, don't mess with my Morissey...

Nice try Gurza.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 14 2009 @ 12:03PM
Anonymous says:

Gurza, you're so full of it. It's a known fact the city has tried to push out Latino businesses from the downtown area; you really think Latinos haven't tried to open business there? Just go talk to the OC Therapeutic Arts Center, who was booted out by the owners of the building where American Apparel is and who wants to buy the old gas building next to the Santora...oh wait, you don't want critics because that's "redundant." What a fool!

Oh, and the Crosby owners aren't white; they're ASIAN.

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 14 2009 @ 4:31PM
SolArt says:

"Why don't Latino's do the same instead of just griping from the side lines?"

Do your homework Mr. Gurza. Places like SolArt, The Centro, The Breath of Fire Theater-for the past 10 years surely have just been "griping on the side lines". Surely you were assigned to give an "actual representation" of the actual Santa Ana....seguro.

Sali Heraldez, SolArt Media and Design (our gallery was never subsidised by the city or our projects deemed important enough to throw a f*** bone).

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 14 2009 @ 6:25PM
Agustin Gurza says:

Sali:

I did my homework and you know it because I reached out to you for this story. So let’s be honest with each other and avoid cheap shots. Here are the emails we exchanged in which you inform me that SolArt had moved and was “not really a space open to the community.”

On Tue 09/05/12 10:56 , "Agustin Gurza" agurza@charter.net sent:
> Sali: I'm a reporter who visited your >place on North Main Street with Gustavo >Arellano and a group from USC. I'm now >working freelance on a piece about the >Artist Village and I see you've moved to a >new location. I want to include SolArt in >my listings, but the phone I have doesn't >work. Can you please give me your current >info, including address, phone and hours of >operation. Thanks!
> Agustin Gurza

Re: looking for you
From: info@solartgallerycafe.com
To: Agustin Gurza
Date: May 13 2009 - 11:30am

>Hi Agustin, thanks for the message. >Unfortunately, we closed our last space >about a year ago. We currently continue to work with the community through SolArt Media >and Design -we mainly do design for >non-profit organizations. We recently >started a radio show-basically because it >is a space through which we will be able to >communicate with the community through a >space with "no walls". We recently tried to >re-open a space on main st again, however, >the permit to operate was denied by the >city-the building we wanted is STILL empty >and because of "zoning laws" we couldn't >re-open. Anyway, we have a studio space on >Santiago St. where we have our SolArt >office and record the SolArt Radio show >from-but not really a space open to the >community. Feel free to call me anytime! Sali Heraldez


Posted On: Friday, Aug. 14 2009 @ 7:29PM
Agustin Gurza says:

Anonymous:

There's much more to the case of the Therapeutic Arts Center story than you let on, fool.

Agustin

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 14 2009 @ 7:32PM
Sali Heraldez says:


Mr. Gurza, you fortunately proved my point with your "cheap shot" response. Yes you did send me an e-mail. I responded, however, never heard back from you-and now it is clear why.

You wanted your "assignment" not to be diverted from the objective: To insult, degrade, and minimize our community.

If I may I would like to point out WHO started with the cheap shots: Planners, it seemed, were fighting against a demographic tsunami that turned Santa Ana into a gritty, working-class city, the main port of entry for rural,poor and uneducated. Trying to change the town with a top-down strategy looked like folly."

Should I instead of challenging your assessment be saying: Thank you? Or should we keep laughing now. You chose to take your stroll with only one side of the story in mind-the one you were assigned.

You chose to ignore that fact that there are places in SanTana that make a difference in our community day in and day out without millions in redevelpment moneys, who because they are the same children of the poor, uneducated immigrants-deserve to have their homes boarded up, their parks and community centers occupied by blacktop lots for hybrids, their streets filled with style and night life and their community spaces "hanging by a string". The very outliers that you speak of ARE here WAISTING their time being, teachers, writers,community organizers, planners, social workers, nurses, city counsel members,police, doctors, community health workers and long time residents who haven't abandoned their community despite the hardships and the haters.

Instead, in your long researched commisioned piece, you happend to find "community activist Don Cribb" and a map drawer from Irvine who happends to have a store that's less traveled-giving hope and reassurance to those brave few who dare venture the tranny ladened, diaper lined streets north east and west of the down town areas.

Please and Thank you? Mr. Gurza. Sali Heraldez, SolArt Media and design (spaceless child of a poor uneducated immigrant, style-less community organizer in need of a city sponsored "evolution")

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 15 2009 @ 8:56AM
Anonymous says:

Gurza admits his hatchet job again! Hey, fool: if you knew about the problems of the Therapeutic Arts Center, why didn't you report it? Oh, right: that story wouldn't appeal to Orange Coast readers. Your point was to reassure those real housewives that Santa Ana is safe for them. Gotcha.

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 15 2009 @ 11:57AM
former timesman says:

Agustin Gurza backstabbing young Latinos? Wow, sounds like the days he was still at the Times! His hissy fit about Chingo Bling (until he had a change of heart, so there's still hope for you, Gustavo!) remains a classic...

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 15 2009 @ 3:30PM
Even Santa Ana Can Evolve says:

As a business owner in the area of debate, I can only provide my very biased and limited perspective of Santa Ana. But here it goes anyways. When I first stepped foot in Santa Ana past the witching hour of 6pm after the mass exodus of office workers leaves the city feeling like a ghost town, there was not really much to see at night. At most you would see a few hoods rolling by on their bmx bikes and maybe a mom with stroller and rest of her brood in tow walking down the street. This was 2002-2003 as the Artists Village had just begun to take root. Slowly signs if “life” began to arise. After a couple years, new indicators began to show themselves: one could spot single, unaccompanied, females 20-35 actually walking the sidewalks (unheard of up till this period), groups of friends from neighboring cities meeting up for dinner, drinks and eclectic art, lastly, progressive music, art and culture which attracted and called out to everyone and not just Mexican locals, concentrated into a single area, the likes of which this city had not seen before a very rough 80’s and 90’s that saw the closure of many “problem” bars and other venues due to the violence and crime that erupted from these places.

Not that there’s anything wrong with Mexican locals. Trust me, without our loyal locals, we wouldn’t have survived our first year of business. We are endlessly thankful to the members of our community, regardless of race, who have supported us over the years. At the same time, we created our business for everyone and that’s who we hoped would become patrons. And so it has become, as time went on, we saw the numbers of people who were visiting from our neighboring cities rise. The proof as they say, is in the pudding and we have the stats to prove it. Of over 20,000 individuals who have frequented our establishment in the last 4 months, only 20% hail from Santa Ana. My nightly joy lies in overhearing all of the people formerly afraid of traveling to Santa Ana at night all saying the same thing: “I had no idea this area was here”…usually followed by “Cool…” This means that the Artists Village is indeed bringing varied people to this often stigmatized, always interesting, and formerly dead area.

When my partners and I opened our business, we did so without any help from the city. And even though my last name is very Hispanic sounding, I still managed to get a business license. And business hasn’t always been easy. I have had my life threatened, been kicked, punched, vomited on, lied to, and stolen from. I put every penny I had (and many I didn’t), risking it all to run my business and pursue my dream, and although it has been thin slices of heaven and hell mixed with a litany of headaches, I would not trade the experience for anything in the world. I agree with Gustavo in a sense, because Santa Ana has too much culture, history, and character to ever be deemed “dead”. Many residents of this city have worked, struggled, and sacrificed to make opportunities happen and keep Santa Ana going to some degree or another. I am grateful and humbled by everything that they have done contributing to the spirit of this city. But I also agree strongly with Agustín in the fact that, before the Artists Village, nightlife in the downtown for anybody, even locals, was beyond dead, at least, after 6pm. And it has been through much blood, sweat and tears as well as help from city money that we businesses have made it as far as we have here in the Artists Village.
Viva Santa Ana.
Vive la difference.

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 15 2009 @ 9:57PM
Agustin Gurza says:


Sali:

Of course it’s clear why I never responded to your email. Not because I was trying to overlook you, but because you told me SolArt was no longer open to the public. What would you have me do? Refer the public to your place anyway?

This felt like a typical case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Through your sarcasm, you seem to be trying to defend Santa Ana. You don’t like me referring to demographic changes, to a working-class city, to the rural uneducated poor who came here. My wife is the daughter of working-class, poorly educated rural immigrants who once operated a produce truck in Orange County. So I can do without the lectures about allegedly demeaning our people. They are my family too.

Besides, my in-laws are not ashamed of who they are. But you take these demographic descriptions as if they were an insult. The census shows they are factually true and you don’t dispute them. You just note that the city has teachers and nurses and other good people doing good things. Of course, but this was not a story about all of Santa Ana and all the people in it.

My story does mention and quotes a few Latinos who are part of the Artists Village. But somehow, they are not real Latinos to the critics. If you don’t agree with a certain world view, you must be a vendido. Political Correctness, it seems, is alive and well in a new generation. Too bad the good things from the 60s haven't survived as well.

The fact is that nobody speaks for Santa Ana or Latinos or even Mexicans, as much as some people want to try. The city’s too big, too complex and too sophisticated for that.

Agustin

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 17 2009 @ 6:15PM
sali Heraldez says:

Mr. Gurza: You are projecting. I am not the only one who is disputing your assessment. be a real journalist and take it like one instead of paddleing away in hopes that your argument will turn into cheese; brotha please.

Why don't you respond to the person who posted a message as "formertimesman"?

Why do you put your wife out as a symbol of your solidarity with "the poor uneducated Mexicans". What were you conceived at Harvard and born at Yale? My comments were made in response to what you wrote-I didn't make it up.

Come on Mr. Gurza you can do it...take the WTF? award of the year.

Sali Heraldez

P.S. And FYI: I'm done responding to your histrionic non sence-

PPS: Still-along with everyone else-laughing now.

Posted On: Tuesday, Aug. 18 2009 @ 8:17AM
jennyfer says:

i love that whole report..and your right without us mexican this wouldnt be santa ana so people stop hating..this town is what it is or else it wouldnt SANTA ANA..you guys should realize that the next time you walk out your door and down your street there a MEXICAN , beaner, wetback watever you want to call them..but just know where not going anywhere we been here for the past 110years and more and more eachday we increase and run your street...

Posted On: Friday, Sep. 4 2009 @ 7:58PM
Born&Raised says:

Every Sunday of my life my mom took me shopping " En la Quatro"...: I say bring back the arcade on top of The Fiesta Theater!!!!! S.A. ALL DAY!!!!!

Posted On: Wednesday, Feb. 24 2010 @ 12:25AM

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