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Tell me about the 241
Well, a recent OCTA study [the South Orange County Major Investment Study] shows that traffic in Orange County will increase by one thousand percent on the streets and roads, and over two hundred percent on the I-5 South—with the fully completed 241 extension, given the alignment they came up with. There would be virtually no traffic on the 241.
The real issue is that the I-5 needs to be improved, first and foremost. The 241 was billed to everyone and represented to everyone as a traffic relief measure for the I-5 , based on OCTA recommendations. This study shows that it won't do anything to relieve congestion. And that's very very troubling.
The TCA says the I-5 improvements, or any regional transportation plan aspects, will not affect the non-compete clause, but it's my understanding that the only improvement to the I-5 they're talking about is the addition of a single HOV lane.
That's exactly right. And that's not the improvement that we need. We need major improvements. Why not have them give it up today? Have them say, "Okay, there is no more non-compete clause." We don't want to have to pay twice for the improvements to the I-5 freeway, especially when it shows that there will be no traffic on the 241 extension.
What does "no traffic" mean exactly? No congestion?
No congestion. In fact the graphics show the I-5 Freeway as red - that's Level F: severely congested conditions. The study shows the 241 as actually grey; absolutely uncongested.
I don't know if they have; they've been real workhorses in terms of getting earmarks for the Riverside to Orange County tunnel. They got $15 Million for the tunnel; I don't know if they got any earmarks for the 241 extension.
They did. TCA likes to say that not a dime of taxpayer money has gone to the toll road. But in the SAFETEA-LU bill, Ken Calvert got an $8 Million earmark for the 241 with the help of Gary Miller. When I spoke to Miller about it he said he had definitely sought out that money, that $8 Million, and wished it had been $10 Million as the money was for environmental studies. I noticed that Miller and Calvert are not only supporting your opponent but attacking you.
Yeah, they're writing nasty letters because I came out against the tunnel. That's their pet project. The cost of the tunnel is six to eight Billion dollars. The impact to south Orange County would truly be devastating. It would dump 120,000 cars on our streets and roads where the tunnel ends. When you look at the traffic from Riverside to Orange County, the vast majority is headed from Riverside to North Orange County, then up to Los Angeles. The tunnel, however, diverts the traffic to South Orange County. The problem is, what happens when the traffic dumps out at the tunnel's end? It then has to proceed north, so a bottleneck in essence is created at the 405 and I-5 where that traffic would ultimately end out. As those commuters continue on their journey, we really have the potential to create two new El Toro Y situations.
I asked OCTA what improvements would be there for the South Orange County freeways, particularly the I-5 and 405 freeways, to handle this traffic? They said, "Well, there are none." The plan is not only exorbitant in terms of the cost, and they may tell you it will be privately funded, but not one private entity has stepped up to fund this tunnel. The only money so far has been federal taxpayer and local taxpayer money. Calvert and Miller got $15 Million for the tunnel, and OCTA and Riverside transportation agencies had to put in $3 Million to get the $15 Million. So now we're at $18 Million taxpayer dollars.
Sure they're both mad at me; they're representing their constituency and their constituency is basically Riverside. I'm representing our constituency is South Orange County and our traffic is bad enough. We can't have them dumping traffic in here.
They like Pat [Bates] because Pat supports the tunnel.
They're not the only ones. The OC GOP also seems to like Pat.
Again that came from the two congressmen; they are behind Pat and are not supporting me because of my position on the tunnel. So because I staked out a position for our residents in South Orange County, I took a hit for that.
You know, the OC GOP was based on representatives from the state assembly. Each congressman has a representative too. My friends came up to me and said, "We can't help you because we have directions from the state legislators to support Pat." They're all part of the same system. It just shows that it's an old-boy system and very, very difficult for somebody new to come in. I've been loyal to the party for all these years, but once you're part of that system, that state assembly system, they all stick together.
Some of them have the opinion that you're being somewhat less than loyal in your attacks on the party this election cycle.
I have never attacked the party. I have laid out exactly what Congressman Calvert has done with this tunnel and Congressman Miller and that's the extent of it. It's a non-partisan race, but they took umbrage that I would go speak to Democrats. I go and speak to all different organizations and the speech is almost always the same. I talk about transportation and the need for transportation funding, and I talk about the terrible, terrible waste of funding on a tunnel that would create havoc on our streets and roads.
The point is, we should be getting transportation improvements that help us, not hurt us.
I often point out that it's the pet project of two Riverside congressmen.
Any comment on Miller and Calvert being named to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington's 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress list?
I think that speaks for itself.
October 25, 2006 16:10
great article title
October 26, 2006 06:10
As non-politically connected woman in Orange County, with intent to stay non-politically connected as long as my residence is in OC, this is a great article for anyone trying to make decisions for election day.
Anyone in limbo between DeYoung and Bates should easily read the writing on the wall.
Pat Bates is supported by the OC GOP, the TCA and the OC GOP which also dominates the OC Board of Supes. RED FLAGS, RED FLAGS, RED FLAGS..... for thought:
** The OC GOP's leadership is self-explanatory during the past years. It votes to support one Sheriff candidate. When the rich and powerful's candidate does not win the first endorsement, a re-vote is manipulated, their candidate wins the second endorsement vote and pulls off winning enough votes dismissing a run-off opportunity for OC citizens in the November election. The OC Sheriff's position is and should be a non-partisan position -- not in the OC.
** One day after the election the encumbent Sheriff candidate, the candidate with the political connections to manipulate the second OC GOP endorsement, places the candidate who exercised his right to run for public office on administrative leave. Again, the OC Sheriff's position should be a non-partisan position. Congratulations to the OC GOP for the public example of true democracy..... imagine what the children in OC are learning about values, politics and democracy!
** The OC GOP, the Diocese of Orange and the OC Board of Supes are religiously and politically connected -- Mon. John Urell's appointment to the OC Human Relations Commission and attempted reappointment are proof enough. Based on a $100 million settlement of clergy sex abuse lawsuits in December 2004, which included the release of 10,000 documents in May 2005, revealing the truths, the OC GOP and Board of Supes still cannot connect the dots....still cannot how political influences assisted in the horrific sex abuse crimes committed by employees of the Diocese of Orange.
** The TCA funds itself through a public bond strategy launched in 1997, supervised by a lawfirm with a partner who serves as an Advisor to Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange, which lawfirm also serves as bond counsel for the County of Orange, recently re-approved by the OC Board of Supervisors, while one of the same lawfirm's former partners was recently appointed as a new Orange County Superior Court Judge. WOW, only in the OC!
** The TCA continues to claim its government association so it can enter judgments against citizens in the amounts of $25,000 to $400,000 for arbitrary penalties, keeping the funds coming in to justify that one of California's most beautiful beaches will be destroyed by a new TCA project.
This is just a few thoughts... but if I were Cassie DeYoung, I would be delighted not to be associated with so called influential political powers in the OC that Pat Bates enjoys as endorsements.
Rome and Orange County weren't built in a day.... and the rise and fall of the Roman Empire consisted of many years of abuse patterns. It appears to me that Cassie DeYoung is ahead of the game!!
November 22, 2006 20:11
[...] He's right—maybe not about the mob, but certainly about work delays and cost overruns. The implications of the study (which, incidentally, this blog discussed with the study's instigator, Cassie DeYoung, about a month ago) are simply this: the toll roads are not a form of traffic relief. If anything, the 241 toll road will only serve as a traffic alternative, while functioning to help make traffic worse. DeYoung put it best: …traffic in Orange County will increase by one thousand percent on the streets and roads, and over two hundred percent on the I-5 South—with the fully completed 241 extension, given the alignment they came up with. There would be virtually no traffic on the 241. [...]
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