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By Luke Y. Thompson, Thursday, Oct. 11 2007 @ 4:09PM
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“This could be an entire other article, sell this to Wizard magazine, 'Rob Liefeld goes after Alan Moore'” -- Rob Liefeld, during our interview for this week's cover. Since I don't work for Wizard, and this particular tangent didn't make it into the paper, you're gonna get it here, because it's just too good not to share: the “controversial” artist talking some smack on one of comicdom's most acclaimed writers, creator of Watchmen and V for Vendetta among many others...

“Alan Moore – he just did his own thing. We just stayed out of his way. He had written a miniseries for us called Badrock/Violator...at the time, Alan was doing purposefully campy, over-the-top kinda stuff. We loved the few stories he had done for Superman, and I’m not stupid so we just got out of the way [writing Liefeld's SUPREME] and let him roll.”

“We didn’t get the right artist for him until about ten issues in, then the second year, they put together a great run. That 24 issues was as well –received a comic as you’re gonna find, I still meet people who are like, wow, that was great, but we had no input. That was Alan. And to me, honestly, that was Alan’s last great stuff. Because when Awesome, my main investor went belly up --my investor had a video game company, a recording company, andf a comic book company, and overnight, they were all gone -- and Alan, I think had really dug what he was doing with us, because by then he’d expanded it from Supreme to Youngblood, to Glory...I still have all his original proposals, they’re a riot, dude. He’s definitely taking archetypes and doing the Alan Moore version...I called him up one time and said, 'Hey Alan, how about we do a Teen Titans style book,' and he went quiet and he goes 'That’s what Youngblood is.' I thought that was our Avengers-type book.”

“But then he took that formula and just kinda did that same thing, I mean, Tom Strong is Supreme, it’s flattering that he found his groove back with us and started winning awards back with us because people forget, he’d fallen off the map, you can’t really find a great Alan Moore book from ’90 to like ’96, when he did Supreme, even the stuff he did for Todd [McFarlane] was derided like he was asleep at the wheel, like he didn’t care because it was campy, whereas with Supreme he gave it that Silver Age with a twist, and nobody was doing that. And again, what he did for Supreme was ripped off for the next five years by all the other writers. He’s always been a trendsetter.”

“If you’ve done business with Alan, you have a different opinion of Alan. He markets himself as a poet, but he’s just a ruthless businessman, like everybody else, he kept wanting to more work because he just wanted to get paid. Jeph Loeb, he can tell you.”

“You worship at the altar of Alan, and then you go, oh, he’s just another guy that’s looking to get paid, and that’s why he’d do 3-4 books a month for us. Literally, he’d send three scripts through the copy machine”

“He’s brilliant, but to me I think he’s been revealed as someone who’s spiraled wildly out of control. Like, he had a falling out with Wildstorm, you know, he’s having another falling out with DC, he won’t work for Marvel. At some point you put yourself on line and go, well, gee, Alan, is it everyone else, or is it you?”

“Alan just wants to get paid more money, that’s it. Sorry Alan. I got my body of work out of Alan Moore, he doesn’t intimidate me, I don’t put him on a pedestal like Jack Kirby and Frank Miller,. He’s just a guy who wants to get paid, and he cuts deals for himself that he doesn’t like down the line, and then he gets whiny and cries about it...Hey man, he worked for me for two years, I was quiet for like ten years. And then I watched him burn every other bridge, and I go “Hmm.” Although we didn’t have a falling out with him. He just stopped working with us, because he now wanted to invest in his new universe with Wildstorm comics, and again, like I said, OOPS! That went up in flames. He gives 'temperamental artist' a new meaning.”

“And he comes out and he lets everybody know now 'I’m going to crap all over the adaptations you do,' he’s shown no loyalty to his fellow artists like Dave Gibbons or David Lloyd. He knows that by coming out and crapping on the movie, he’s gonna keep a certain percentage of the fan base away. He’s an interesting cat, someone should do a documentary, I’m waiting for the CRUMB version of Alan Moore.”

“He once called us up to tell us that he had just been in the dream realm and talking to Socrates and Shakespeare, and to Moses, dead serious, and that they talked for what seemed to be months, but when he woke up, only an evening had passed, and he came up with these great ideas. And I’m tellin’ ya, I think it’s shtick, dude. I think it’s all shtick. I’m gonna start saying that stuff. Cuz you know what? It makes you instantly interesting. Like 'O yeah, last night I was hanging out with Socrates. Came to me in a dream. We played poker . We dropped acid.' That’s the kinda stuff Alan would say all the time, and he’d say 'Oh, I’ve been practicing dark magic.'”

Liefeld goes on to describe a comic book pitched to him by Moore that he still owns the rights to, entitled War Child. Written shortly after Moore saw Pulp Fiction for the first time, it's a knights-of-the-round-table concept set in a Tarantino-esque inner city gangland setting.

“I have him on tape for 4 hours just talking about it; it’s my most cherished possession”

“You haven’t lived until you’ve heard Alan describe the heroes – this is in the near future – getting trapped in an amusement park in Compton, where one of the rides you go on is a drive-by shooting.”

“A couple of the artists I gave it to handed it back. The first ten pages is some of the most difficult, visually, it’s hard to crack. We’ll probably publish it in script form. I can’t crack this, life’s too short.”

“There’s standing atop a building, looking in through the window at a certain angle, while the person is sitting doing their hair looking at themselves in the mirror...and the panel descriptions, you go, how do I shoot this? I could shoot it with a camera, but like all the storyboards? It’s just very difficult.”

“He’s a genius, a showman, a shrewd businessman, and a whiner. I have no intention of working with him again.”

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the serrach says:

let me get this straight. rob, who believes that a magical creator impregnated a virgin with his son so he could be murdered by humans who would then be forgiven so they could live forever (but only if they worship him).. is calling out alan moore for saying he talked to shakespeare and moses.

did i get that about right?

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 12 2007 @ 9:27AM
Mark Parsons says:

Yeah, Moore did NOTHING from 1990 to mid 90s, other than FROM HELL chapters, a novel (VOICE OF THE FIRE), the ill-fated BIG NUMBERS with Bill Sienkiewicz, the (ongoing) LOST GIRLS collaboration with Melinda Gebbie (intro'ed in 1990s, final version 2006).

And how is wanting to get paid/make work/produce books a bad thing? Or being a "ruthless" businessman? Maybe if Rob were more stringent a businessman, he'd stop soliciting comic series that he renegs on after an issue or two, thus leaving retailers holding the bag with unsold first issues of comics that will never have issues 2 through whatever. How many books has he promised, solicicted then failed to deliver? Not to mention late, late, LATE books. he's the grasshopper dissing the hard working ants!

Moore may be prickly on many fronts, but he is a major and significant artist who works in a variety of mediums. Rob certainly has his fans and his own place inside the superhero genre, but really, he's now known primarily for failing to follow through on every series, every vow to keep to a schedule, etc.

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 12 2007 @ 11:07AM
Anonymous says:

"It makes you instantly interesting. Like 'O yeah, last night I was hanging out with Socrates. Came to me in a dream. We played poker . We dropped acid.' That’s the kinda stuff Alan would say all the time, and he’d say 'Oh, I’ve been practicing dark magic.'”

For Rob, the crazy vision story would be "Just last night, I actually finished a comic I solicited. I know, I know...it's even crazier than Alan Moore talking to Moses, but's true."

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 12 2007 @ 2:04PM
Anonymous says:

"He’s a genius, a showman, a shrewd businessman, and a whiner"

3 out of 4 just doesn't cut it, does it Rob?

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 12 2007 @ 10:22PM
Mr. Clean says:

Rob - for the love of God and everything that is sacred you MUST publish everything you have of Alan Moore's - scripts, outlines and this 4-hour tape of War Child sounds to be about the only CD I would ever want to buy.

I think that all comic creators are not as morally-strong as Peter Parker, even if they write/draw/color him for a living - and its OK if everyone wants to get paid or laid.

That said, I am happy if I never meet Alan Moore, his genius lies with the material he has created for all of us.

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 13 2007 @ 3:28AM
Keith McCrackan says:

I do believe, if I remember correctly (and I know I do), that dear old Alan would have been perfectly happy to keep working for Awesome (gee that name was, uh Awesome) had they not gone belly up 'cos of stinky old Rob Liefeld's innate financial stupidity. And perhaps finish that classic Supreme run which was aborted by your own brand of 'genius'.

I do not believe that he ripped off his ideas for ABC, i think that what he did was a progression from what he had done before, but in a novel twist, with much better art, and no misguided artists that own the company ruining miniseries by hijacking the climax with background impaired 'etchings' (Judgement Day, Rob, Judgement Day).

I've read your own employees diss you about this, Rob, you missed the boat, man. You never read any of the aforementioned submissions at the time, too busy trying to cut deals, too busy working out which new series you could launch and never finish.

Frankly, I have nothing but respect for A.M., and ZERO for you, dude. Onslaught Reborn is C.R.A.P. that only those who have zero understanding of comics seem to enjoy (they also seem to buy Spawn, so go figure). Jeph Loeb seems to like you as a person, but we don't have to. We have suffered thru your regressing art style for too too long to
start taking you seriously now.

Go on and crawl back under your rock, "man". History will not remember you, even as a dude that once hired Alan Moore. The rights have all been signed away. Whats that smell? Sour grapes, I believe.

And now I have wasted 5 minutes of my life. I truly believe that you must be a genius of sorts, too. Seldom has one done so much with so little.

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 13 2007 @ 4:57AM
Michael says:

So, Rob, "Life's too short" to actually work at your art?

Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 13 2007 @ 8:13PM
Justin says:

Does he really need to work with ALan Moore again. He probably has a dozen unpublished scripts around.

Awesome actually had a lot of potential I bought some of their stuff over the net last year. Liefeld, himself, shouldn't burn any bridges either.

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 14 2007 @ 11:20PM
Mike Haseloff says:

I think if anyone stops to comb Moore's repetoire, they'd realise the greatest character of fiction Alan Moore has ever created -- is Alan Moore.

Like Santa Claus, comic fans enjoy believing in the magic of Alan Moore, and that's the intelligence of his position in the market. There's nothing wrong with that, and that certainly isn't a reason to rag him out.

On the same token, is anything Liefeld's saying there really surprising, or unruly? I guess like Santa Claus, fans are still happy to believe in "controversial" Rob Lifeld, too. Byrne's been a bit quiet lately.

(Interesting article, mind!)

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 14 2007 @ 11:27PM
Reagan Lodge says:

Serrarch: You're only sinking to the level you're accusing Liefeld of by mocking his religion. Way to be the bigger man there, champ.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 12:30AM
Kyle says:

Oh, this is PRICELESS.

A couple of paragraphs after claiming that Moore is just in it for the money, you change tack and decide that Moore is being an asshole for his outspoken opinion on how poor adaptations of his work have been? That's rich, dude, richer than that time you claimed your nickname was "The King" - because if he was in it for the money, he'd talk UP the adaptations so that his stake of the royalties would increase. Whereas what he's actually done by now is to refuse his take of the royalties so that it can instead be redistributed amongst his co-creators.

Never mind that, though. You carry on thinking that people really care what you think about other high-profile names in the field, and don't worry about what conclusions people will reach when comparisons are made between, say, Moore's catalogue of work and yours.

Heh.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 7:47AM
LARRY LEWIS says:

Alan Moore is a weirdo everybody knows that.Im a fan of both creators.I think one day we might look upon these comics as a great moment in comic history.I still dont get why comic fans hate Liefeld so much.If you dont like the SH!T then dont buy it.Nobody is putting a gun to your head.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 8:05AM
charley says:

I don't think anyone denies any of what Liefeld says, but only that it smacks of sour grapes.

Moore is certainly an eccentric, and produced questionable and borderline material, but when you have a few declared masterpieces under your belt, it all seems trivial and forgivable.

In the end, Moore will be remembered for his "hits" while his "misses"- and perhaps Liefeld- will be buried under the legend,

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 9:07AM
Cheroot says:

No WAY. People in the entertainment industry behaving like eccentric primadonas?!?! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!! Screw 'em both. That's right, I said SCREW 'EM.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 9:38AM
the serrach says:

dearest reagan,

perhaps a re-read of my comments is in order. if you feel that my description of christian belief is not accurate, let me know. however, all i did was point out that it's real convenient for practitioners of the most popular religion (in these parts) to put down folks who believe something else. it goes on all the time. tom cruise.. hardy har har. alan moore.. funny stuff. jesus..? hold on there, pardner. not funny!

that's all. if the description sounds funny.. well, i didn't make that stuff up. somebody else did.

with love,

serrach

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 10:26AM
Reagan Lodge says:

So in other words anyone with any kind of belief in the supernatural has no room to question Alan Moore's claim about having a ghost chat with Socrates and Moses?

Lame.

As for the topic at hand, I must heavily disagree with Rob. I don't think Moore is faking it for a business stunt, given some of the nearly suicidal business moves he's made. I think he's sincere, he's just eccentric.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 12:36PM
Rich Handley says:

There is one major difference between Alan Moore and Rob Liefeld. One of them is a brilliant creator who has contributed several significant and worthwhile titles to the comics world and, thus, will be remembered for decades to come. And the other is Rob Liefeld.

Liefeld is a hack, pure and simple, and why anyone would want to work with him is beyond me, given his track record. He's a horrible artist of the first order who has no idea how to draw. Superdeformed action figures look more like real people than his characters do. And the above interview is one of the most unprofessional, childish things I've ever seen in this field.

The comics world will be a much better place when Alan Moore's next series is on shelves and people don't even recall Liefeld's name. They're just not in the same ballpark, talent-wise, and Liefeld is absolutely insane if he thinks otherwise.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 15 2007 @ 6:33PM
emp says:

serrach, your attempts at trolling are pitiful.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2007 @ 2:30AM
Apodaca says:

"So in other words anyone with any kind of belief in the supernatural has no room to question Alan Moore's claim about having a ghost chat with Socrates and Moses?

Lame."

I know. It's tough being disillusioned.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2007 @ 2:38AM
Pete Hagen says:

You know what... Yeah, Liefeld is hacky, but he kind of has a point. And, this article doesn't really read like Liefeld is smearing Alan Moore, just kind of saying it like it is. I really really like Alan Moore's work. I have a bookshelf and a half of his work. But, he probably is a bit much to work with. Now, think about if your buddy came up to you and told yo he had a month-long conversation with Socrates and Moses in a dream and they gave him all kinds of ideas... You'd call him an asshole. You would and you know it.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2007 @ 3:50AM
Jim Brocius says:

Rob Liefeld is the new Vinnie Colleta.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2007 @ 11:18AM
Sloozeberry says:

It's funny...at my comic shop we have a rating system for both artists and writers. The shop pools together everyones favorites, by talent (not success), and has a 10 person meter ranging from best to worst.
Writer#1 Alan Moore
Artist #10 Rob Liefeld
My co-worker had a birthday last week, i had no present, so I purchased a Shatterstar #1,and wrote 'Rip Me!'on the cover with a Sharpie. He was so happy, a single tear drizzled from the corner of his eye. He frantically ripped the entire comic into nickel sized pieces of personal satisfaction for two whole hours. After that we watched 'V for Vendetta' and compared it to the comic book, while all agreeing that BOTH the movie and book had their moments. Then we went to Internet, and looked up information regarding the upcoming 'Watchmen' film. No one Googled X-Force...except when I mentioned Clayton Crain, but Shatterstar's name was never mentioned. What a birthday!

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2007 @ 8:43PM
MaGnUs says:

Rob Liefeld, you're a hack, and your just envious.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2007 @ 11:26PM
Anonymous says:

Well that reads like a big bunch of "Boo hoo- I wish I was as revered as Alan Moore" to me...

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 17 2007 @ 1:46AM
John D. says:

What a little shit Liefield is. So Moore is "ruthless" because he expects to be paid for his work? Uh, right you are, Rob. I myself "ruthlessly" cashed a paycheck my employer gave me just a couple 'o weeks ago. I'm just so gosh-darn "ruthless"!

Posted On: Sunday, Oct. 21 2007 @ 7:25AM
Anonymous says:

It's common knowledge he refuses to be paid for movies made of his stuff. That's ruthless? This sounds like someones trying to get their name out there a decade after it stopped being a bad joke.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 22 2007 @ 8:38AM
Aaron F. Bourque says:

Alan Moore's response: "Well, Mr. Liefeld is rather stupid, you see."

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 22 2007 @ 10:33AM
Cassandra Lovell says:

I take anything Liefeld says with a grain of salt.
Am I the only one seeing this as a desperate plea for attention?

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 22 2007 @ 4:23PM
Lob Riefeld says:

Years ago, some comic book fan then in the depths of schadenfreude related to me that Liefeld was like 'an endless source of unintentional comedy.' That was in the middle of some Liefeld fiasco that I forget the specifics of.

However, it seems that my friend's judgment was right on the money even after all this time.

Alan Moore's response should just be to hold up a picture of Liefeld's Captain America with grotesque manboobs.


OH LIEFELD YOU SO FINE
YOU SO FINE YOU BLOW MY MIND
HEY LIEFELD
HEY LIEFELD

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 22 2007 @ 9:46PM
lolfeld says:

"In the end, Moore will be remembered for his "hits" while his "misses"- and perhaps Liefeld- will be buried under the legend,"

Also let's not forget the fact that Moore's 'misses' are still usually readable whereas Liefeld's worst can scald brain cavities.

Posted On: Monday, Oct. 22 2007 @ 9:49PM
kalabro says:

Seriously. Is Liefeld smoking crack?

“Alan just wants to get paid more money, that’s it."

Really? Why, I'll be damned! Someone wants to get paid for their work?? THE NERVE!!

“He’s a genius, a showman, a shrewd businessman, and a whiner. I have no intention of working with him again.”

I'm fairly CERTAIN that Alan Moore at this point would not have his stories sullied by that pathetic scratchings that Liefeld so mistakenly calls "art."

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 23 2007 @ 4:24AM
Keith Watson says:

Maybe if Alan Moore wore a bandoleer, belt and thigh uh... cuffs that were covered in little pockets, Rob Liefeld would appreciate him more.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 23 2007 @ 5:50AM
Thaily says:

"So in other words anyone with any kind of belief in the supernatural has no room to question Alan Moore's claim about having a ghost chat with Socrates and Moses?"

You can question it all you want, just don't pee your pants if someone questions your personal beliefs. Y'know, all that black pot and kettle stuff.

Back on topic, I love it how an artist is a big meanie poopoohead sell-out the moment they become successful. Sour grapes Liefield, sour grapes.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 23 2007 @ 7:23AM
Stuff Daddy says:

Honestly, none of this bothers me, because, even though Liefield is a hack and a shit artist, Alan Moore is probably a lot of those things described, except.... past his prime. He is every inch the genius that Mr. Liefield knows and hates him for being. It was all in the piece.

Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 25 2007 @ 11:36AM
Jay Howard says:

It's just....so....damn...sad. Rob Liefeld is the worst artist to ever achieve the success he did, and he only did it by being in the right place at the right time. No one....NO ONE....can point to anything that Liefeld has EVER done in ANY field and say "oh, yeah, that's a masterpiece."

The only thing that matches Liefeld's unending hackitude is his desperate arrogance. Not only is he horrifically untalented, and has failed to, after TWO DECADES (that's 20 YEARS, folks) improve his ability AT ALL...but his hubris is....well, it's the hubris of a man who's had too many people blow too much smoke up his arse.

It's just SAD.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 30 2007 @ 11:49PM
andy says:

It sounds as though Rob has a property
he can probably sell though!
If its just audio tape that might have
to be dictated or something.
That would be pretty funny if some D.C.
editor had to "piece it all together"
from some tape, but it sounds as if its
detailed enough, if there are camera pov's.
Also a lot of people are flipping out
over Robs 'kiss and tell' but they
worked together for a while,
and Alan Moore is really weird,
probably even more so to somebody like Rob.
I work in 3d games and if I worked with
someone who claimed to be talking to
nostredomus or something... LOL!
I think if anything it adds to his
'crazywriter' mystique a little,
except for the 'ruthless businessman' bit.


Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 21 2007 @ 7:13AM
Ed says:

Funny that Rob should say Alan took ideas when you look at all his rip off creations like the Fighting American, and the Shaft, and like twelve Cable copies hes made for every book hes ever done. Besides, just looking at the tight crotches and oversized breasts that rob draws is like being slammed through puberty twice.

Posted On: Tuesday, Nov. 27 2007 @ 4:58PM
Rich Handley says:

I think the fact that there aren't any "Rob Liefeld is great, stop slamming him" type followups says it all.

Posted On: Friday, Nov. 30 2007 @ 6:40PM
R Fitz says:

I personally take it as another demonstration of one of "the greats" of a creative industry demonstrating he understands nothing about the medium he works in, other than that which he creates himself... Oh, wait, he didn't understand what Moore did with Supreme....

Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 1 2008 @ 8:22PM
Michael brewer says:

I must say that all of this is very disturbing to say the least. I for one enjoy liefield's work, and have patterend my own after rob's and jim lee's styles. i like spawn, and also like some of the moore stuff, but i have a question, why trash liefield , he earned his way in to the biz , just like everyone else, as did alan moore, as did I, so what do u peopel do for a living sit here and talk trash bout everyone elses work

Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 31 2008 @ 11:25PM
Gianni Malotto says:

Oh Rob, Rob, you got this all wrong. You're talking about a man who gave up all his rights of V for Vendetta just to preserve his integrity.
But then, what do you know about integrity?

Posted On: Tuesday, Feb. 19 2008 @ 1:55AM
John Marcotte says:

I love Alan Moore's work, but Liefeld has a point. How many bridges can Moore burn before you start to realize it's not the rest of the world, it's you?

All his complaining about how DC cheated him out of the "V for Vendetta" and "Watchman" rights have been refuted by the very artists that worked on the books with him.

In almost every case, Moore rails against contracts that he signed and agreed to, and that honestly, aren't that bad.

Alan Moore is a whiner and I'm glad I never had to do business with him. But he is also the greatest comics writer of our generation. Both are true.

Like Harlan Ellison, I will continue to read and enjoy his works and also be glad that he does not live next door to me.

Posted On: Friday, Feb. 22 2008 @ 3:09PM
joe bloke says:


liefeld's problem is that he knows he's not very good at what he does.

moore's problem is that he thinks he's better at what he does than he actually is.

in both creators' cases, the vast majority of their work involves taking other people's ideas and characters and "re-imagining " them.

at least moore admits to it.

you want to know what moore's like? ask alan davis.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 10 2008 @ 3:54AM
OG says:

i might get in trouble for this but i thought you guys would like it.

a friend of mine used to intern for Marvel, and according to her the inkers on Rob's books used to save his ass. apparently the art that ended up in the final product were EVEN WORSE in the pencil stage. one guy has the posterity to keep photocopies of the pencils, and in one panel Rob Liefeld just hastily drew some roughs of figures and wrote BACKGROUND where the rest of the scene was supposed to be, leaving the rest of it up to the inkers.

Rob Liefeld is a lazy hack who doesn't understand basic economics or human nature, and if you look at how he draws women you question whether or not he's actually met a woman or talked to a woman in his life. Who cares what he has to say?

Posted On: Friday, Mar. 21 2008 @ 12:18AM
Lou says:

right well this is an interetsing argument i stumbled across..... as alan moore is a bit like the beatles to me, i get that they forwarded their preferred medium a lot, and i get they are really clever and see why people like them, but i just don't get on with all their stuff and i think a handful of alan moore books are the coolest things ever, and some i find overrated. but i get why people like them, and there is no getting away from the fact that alan moore is a talented guy. and i'm not sure why rob thinks that he couldnt do dark magic. but the problems i have with rob liefeld are way bigger than that. i actively encourage people who say they like him to look at his drawing until i have convinced them to never buy his work, because it is an insult to some of the artists really tryin out there that he can get work.


and he's clearly mad as a brush.......

Posted On: Monday, May. 5 2008 @ 3:17AM
Lawrence McKenna says:

Well, here's Moore's comments on Liefeld (from _The Extraordinary Works of Alan Moore_): Well, Judgment Day would have worked, but for some reason Rob Liefeld wanted to do the bulk of the art himself and that kind of -- I mean, there were some great artists working on that, but I don't really think that Rob Liefeld was on of them . . . he never seemed to put any enthusiasm into any of these drawings; he wouldn't put enough backgrounds or anything like that. It was pointless writing scripts for him because he'd just ignore most of them because he wanted to do the easiest, simplest thing . . . he didn't seem to understand what I was saying. I don't even know if he read the proposal. . . . Eric said, 'Well, I didn't write that, Alan wrote that.' And Rob Liefeld said, 'Oh, I don't remember reading this -- when did he write this?" And Eric said, 'Well, a couple of years ago,' and he said, 'Oh, so, all this stuff about how we would do beautiful covers and pay attention to little details and things like that -- I bet that this is the stuff that he's going to do with ABC comics, right?' And I think what Eric said was, 'Well Rob, you snooze, you lose'" (175).

from Khoury, George. _The Extraordinary Works of Alan Moore_. Raleigh: Twomorrows, 2003.

Posted On: Friday, Jun. 6 2008 @ 9:28AM
Anonymous says:

Rob Liefeld is great, stop slamming him.
Moore is great also. And if you read what Liefeld is saying without the blinders on that many/most of the respondents here seem to have, it translates as "He is great, but so quirky and temperamental that I could not bring myself to work with him again."

Not exactly a damning relation of his personal experiences with the man. I've got close friends I could never work with again, but that doesn't stop me from hanging out with them or admiring them for their capabilities.

Posted On: Sunday, Jun. 15 2008 @ 3:08AM
Craig DeBoard says:

I don't think it's fair to really jump on Rob, here, people.

If you hate him as an artist or as a business man or whatever, that's fine. But to be fair those two things have NOTHING to do with article of him ripping into Alan Moore.

None of us know Alan Moore personally. Don't get me wrong, I think the main is a certifiable genius in the writing department. But who knows, personality wise, he could be an absolute prick.

If you want to bash on Rob because you don't like his art or his business ethics or whatever, that's fine, I'm pretty sure Rob doesn't really give a shit what any of you think, just like I'm pretty sure Alan Moore doesn't really give a shit what Rob thinks.

But if you're going to rip on him for those things, at least take it somewhere where those things are being discussed.

If you're going to put some input into the conversation at least stick to the topic at hand, (Rob's statement's regarding Moore).

To be fair Rob does make a VERY valid point. No one wants to work with Moore (and to be fair, Moore doesn't really want to work with anyone either).

Why?

Love or hate Rob, no one can deny that he's right about this. No one can say he doesn't have a valid point, at least about that statement.

Alan Moore may be a genius when it comes to writing, but regardless, Rob's point still stands.

Why are all of Alan Moore's bridges burnt to a crisp.

Hey, you can hate Rob all you want, but bottom line here is his bridges aren't burnt. In the last two years he's done work with both Marvel and Image.

Has Moore done work in the last two years, with anyone he feuded with?

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 22 2008 @ 11:22PM
Craig DeBoard says:

Oh, and for the folks saying that Rob Liefeld will one day be forgotten and never talked about, whether you love or hate Rob, that's just a stupid comment to make.

This website alone proves that.

Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 22 2008 @ 11:26PM
jrobert says:

Alan Moore is a eccentric,a recluse,a weirdo and he`s also a mad genius.Everybody knows that.Rob Liefeld can bash Alan Moore all he likes but the fact of the matter is that people make similar comments about him.I`ve heard people call Rob Liefeld everything from a a hack,a lunatic,a liar,a ruthless opportunist and a unoriginal copycat(can anyone name one original character of his creation?)Every single character that Rob Liefeld has created is either a direct or a in direct knock-off of a Marvel or DC character.His drawings have been criticized for being asymetrical,unrealisitc with grossly exgaggerated anatomical proportions.For example take his infamous Captain America drawing from the ''Heroes Reborn'' campaign from Marvel(not only does Cap appear to be suffering from a severe case of constipation judging from his facial expression but he also seems to have larger breasts than Jennifer Love Hewitt in said drawing).
Unlike other kings of the medium like Jack Kirby and Frank Miller,Alan Moore burnt his bridges.Rob Liefeld is like Ted Turner in a way(seriously) in that he became successful by basically ripping off other people and by doing something that wasn`t particularly creative or original.Because by his own admission he was never one of the best artists or the best story tellers in the industry.
As he put it himself he was a vapid comic book artist who was like a vapid pop artist who just toured relentlessly and eventually caught on with the public Whether you choose to love him or hate him( and a lot of people choose the latter seeing as he is after all known as ''the most hated man in comics''),he still has his place in the medium.No one can deny that.And so does Alan Moore.

Posted On: Wednesday, Aug. 6 2008 @ 12:01AM
Uranus says:

Hey, I'm a huge Moore fan but Rob does have a point. You guys just aren't seeing it because it is Rob Liefeld making the statement. Moore is temperamental, sometimes over nothing issues like Marvelman changing to Miracleman, which is why he won't work for Marvel. He is a primadonna and to a degree he has earned it, but Rob is right, is it the companies or is it Alan? Alan has earned the right to be like he is though but at the same time he isn't worth as much as he thinks apparently.

Alan to do his best work needs to be left alone like Rob and Jeph left him alone, he produces his best work.

What Rob meant about Alan's work from 1990-1996 was that it didn't sell. His comic company went under, his work was coming out sporadically and books like From Hell and Lost Girls only made their impacts when they were finished... which was post 1996!!!

Posted On: Friday, Aug. 22 2008 @ 3:53PM
Janus says:

I believe Jack Kirby wanted to get paid too. He fought to get his due. Why wouldn't Alan Moore want to work and get paid for that work. Liefeld sounds rather petty. Could it be he is jealous.

Posted On: Friday, Sep. 5 2008 @ 4:42PM
Burn_it says:

Wow...

You'd think we were talking about the war in Iraq here, this being quite the heated debate and all.

One question, who are Rob LIEfeld and Alan MOORE money?

Posted On: Friday, Sep. 19 2008 @ 4:21AM
Burn_it says:

Wow...

You'd think we were talking about the war in Iraq here, this being quite the heated debate and all.

One question, who are Rob LIEfeld and Alan MOORE money?

Posted On: Friday, Sep. 19 2008 @ 4:21AM
carloshll726 says:

What i want to know is... when does Rob Liefeld create The White Spider, world's finest homage of Spider-Man period? It's a superior product to Marvel's wall crawler. And Stunt Devil, world's finest homage of Daredevil period.

Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 25 2008 @ 10:35AM
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Posted On: Monday, Oct. 20 2008 @ 12:23PM
Robert says:

Nothing wrong with all this, Liefeld's just deconstructing Alan Moore Watchmen style.

Posted On: Monday, Jan. 26 2009 @ 3:14AM
Goof says:

Rob and Alan need to hug.

Posted On: Sunday, Mar. 15 2009 @ 3:45PM
JWsDad says:

I think Liefeld's just saying it like it is. He recruited Moore to work on Supreme by offering obscene amounts of his own cash and Moore said, "Yes, thank you!" After all, who wouldn't agree to being vastly overpaid for doing something that comes easy to them? From Liefeld's perspective I'm sure he probably regrets paying Moore all this mad money and from Moore's perspective I'm sure he's probably thinking he did the work requested but he can't be blamed if Liefeld wasn't the kind of artist who could pull it off. Had Liefeld also recruited Totleben or Gary Beachum, who knows what Moore's run on Supreme really could have been? It's like Lennon/McCartney offering the lyrics and music to "Hey Jude" to an American Idol contestant and letting them roll with it however they pleased. In the end, it'd just sound like like some guy screeching.

Posted On: Monday, Mar. 16 2009 @ 9:09PM
Matt says:

I think Rob can't picture how to draw those panels because he lacks the talent. I can't believe he's trying to start drama with Alan Moore, is he insane?

Posted On: Saturday, Mar. 28 2009 @ 7:32PM
Ed says:

RE: OG says:

"a friend of mine used to intern for Marvel, and according to her the inkers on Rob's books used to save his ass. apparently the art that ended up in the final product were EVEN WORSE in the pencil stage. one guy has the posterity to keep photocopies of the pencils, and in one panel Rob Liefeld just hastily drew some roughs of figures and wrote BACKGROUND where the rest of the scene was supposed to be, leaving the rest of it up to the inkers."

If this is true, Liefeld's stock just sank dramatically for me, which I didn't think was possible. On a scale of 1-10, he was already at number 1; what am I supposed to do now, work with negative integers? The man is in no position to speak on Alan Moore.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 15 2009 @ 4:56PM
MajorMarmot says:

I know that by now this comment might be unnecessary and unwanted, but I just had to answer ths.

robert says:

Alan Moore is a eccentric,a recluse,a weirdo and he`s also a mad genius.Everybody knows that.Rob Liefeld can bash Alan Moore all he likes but the fact of the matter is that people make similar comments about him.I`ve heard people call Rob Liefeld everything from a a hack,a lunatic,a liar,a ruthless opportunist and a unoriginal copycat(can anyone name one original character of his creation?)....

I can name two: Cable and Deadpool

In my personal opinion, those are the best comic characters result of the 90's. And deadpool has 3 comics running right now (only toped by spiderman and Wolverine in Marvel, I think) and he has a movie in the making.

Can you name a Moore's original character that's still running? I mean, Moore has really great deconstructions and developments of existing characters, but originals?

I don't have anything against Alan Moore, but I just can't understand how people call a genius to the guy who made Lost Girls, and a Hack to Deadpool's creator.

They both are good comic creators, and that's it.

Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 30 2009 @ 6:36PM
Anonymous says:

"Can you name a Moore's original character that's still running?"

John Constantine, asshole.

Posted On: Saturday, Aug. 1 2009 @ 4:11PM
Samsam says:

"I have no intention of working with him again."

You decided that after or before he dumped you ?

Posted On: Monday, Aug. 24 2009 @ 8:58PM
SolidGoldCEO says:

If Alan Moores only interested in money then why does Captain small feet think he gave up all the money from the Watchmen movie? Liefeld = Twunt

Posted On: Friday, Oct. 9 2009 @ 4:37AM
BMW says:

we enjoyed reading this article, you have a great writing style! I have forwarded a link to my friends, and shall definately be returning for more updates.

Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 25 2009 @ 2:16PM
Anonymous says:

I like how Rob Liefield claims that Alan Moore ripped off ABC for ideas, yet literally every character he's created is an ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL version of a pre-existing character. He then goes on to talk about how bad Alan Moore is for being irritated at what people have done with his work after he's done it, yet he himself threw a massive shitfit when Marvel confirmed that Shatterstar and Rictor are a gay couple.

I could probably keep pointing out things like this, but honestly I don't have all night.

Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 28 2010 @ 11:09PM

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