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1. Travis says:
   April 24, 2008 14:27

   Article stated this,

   Every time we discuss him, we get email from former or current members of his congregation alleging all kind of madness.

   I would like to see these emails, im wondering what they say, exactly.

   Can you define madness for me?

   Background:
   I blog at biblicalthought.com/blog but am not affiliated with Faith Community Church. I do not know a lot about this "schism" so being fair can you report both sides of the argument, so we can understand what is going on, maybe interview Dr. Morey. There is always two sides of the story and emotions that get poured out during these issues, I just want facts.

   Thanks

2. Chad says:
   April 24, 2008 14:36

   I have had my own personal run in with Bob Morey. I visited his website for a time and got involved in a discussion, one where he did a horrible book review, (completely wrong), and would never address the mistakes I pointed out to him but dismissed me as a heretic. His "minions" don't fall far from the tree. I have never in my life experienced a gospel of hate like I did at their site. Talk about creating God in our own image - Bob Morey gets a gold star.

   I pray even more people in his "church" wake up and leave. I read the letter posted by one of the men that left and there is no reason, by that letter at least, for Bob to slander him the way he has. I hope some good will come of all of this and Bob will realize that he is, or should be, every bit as accountable as he makes his sheep be. It's no wonder that in a poll in California more people said the love Jesus but hate Christians. If all they see of Christians is the Morey variety, I can't blame them.

   peace,
   Chad
   

3. Jean Cauvin says:
   April 24, 2008 16:11

   Dr. Morey has a unique personality. Either you hate him, or you love him. I don't agree with everything he says but concur that he is dead-on when it comes to the historical understanding of the Christian Faith.

   He knows how to punch the "bad guys" in the theological face. That's why "men" like chad end up crying like a theological sissy verses repenting for their absurd ideologies

   Jean Cauvin

4. Chad says:
   April 24, 2008 16:53

   "so we can understand what is going on, maybe interview Dr. Morey."

   Travis, your kidding, right? You know what happens to people who dare question "Dr. Morey."
   You get called a heretic and are then censored.

   But of course, he doesn't care what mere mortals think of him, only God. You know what Tacitus, the Roman historian, said about the Christian communities banding together in the midst of Roman persecution and dominion? He said you could spot them in a crowd because, "oh, how they love one another!" Such is the mark that distinguished them from everyone else. Morey, who cares nothing of what others think of him and considers this a virtue would not have been picked out of a crowd by Tacitus.

5. Dr. Morey says:
   April 24, 2008 22:19

   To OC Weekly.
   We who actually attend Faith Community Church don’t see any schism or confusion in the church. We are happy and joyful serving the Lord. Our attendance is great and things are moving forward with great joy. To see this is true, just visit some Sunday service (10:30AM at 17601 Fitch, Irvine).
   Just for accuracy sake, please note that biblicalthought.com/blog was not set up by or run by the church. I visit it from time to time when I have the time. But it is not my blog.
   There are three new books that reveal a new phenomenon is taking place today in the church world.
   1. Clergy Killers: Guidance for Pastors and Congregations Under Attack by G. Lloyd Rediger
   2. Character Assassins: Dealing with Ecclesiastical Tyrants and Terrorists by Peter Hammond and Brian
   3. The Wounded Minister: Healing from and Preventing Personal Attacks by Guy Greenfield

   These books document that today when someone leaves a church, they do not go out and make a new life for themselves and get involved in positive works of charity. Instead, they dedicate all their time, money, and energy to destroy the church and pastor they left.
   They hang around the church and use the internet to slander the church, send out malicious emails and blogs that contain unsupported accusations. They harass the people who attend the church with personal attacks and foul language. They forget there is freedom of religion in this country and people can attend or not attend whatever they want to attend.
   The above authors counsel churches under attack by such terrorists not to react to these childish tirades and temper tantrums. Instead, we should remain positive and go on doing works of charity -while ignoring the terrorists.
   These poor mentally unbalanced people, whose only meaning in life to tear down other people, will eventually burn themselves out with all their hatred and bitterness.
   We at Faith community Church do not hate them or anyone else. We pray for them that they will grow out of their negativity and finds positive outlets for their energy.
   

6. Gustavo Arellano says:
   April 24, 2008 23:30

   Travis: If you think I'm going to out people who wrote to me confidentially, you are funny. As for the "madness" remark, it means just that: madness. A lot of crazy stuff--some plausible, some not.

   Bob: Your comment deserves its own post. Everyone else: por favor continue the conversation here.

7. Chad says:
   April 25, 2008 05:51

   "He knows how to punch the "bad guys" in the theological face. That's why "men" like chad end up crying like a theological sissy verses repenting for their absurd ideologies"

   
   Case in point. The gospel of hate has another disciple in Jean. And now, according to Jean, United Methodists and the theology of John Wesley is an "absurd ideology." lol.

   Funny how Bob says he visits a site that isn't his from "time to timee." The bulk of the posts there are by him (many of them just propaganda to sell more of his own books or to gossip about people who have left the church and wording it in such a way that no one is allowed to discuss specifics) AND his picture is the biggest and first on the list titled "The Crew." Nah, it's not his site :)
   

8. Shaniqua says:
   April 25, 2008 09:37

   I agree, this stuff is "bat-shit weird."

9. Mario Herrera says:
   April 26, 2008 01:13

   Gustavo,

   What religion do you adhere to?

10. Gustavo Arellano says:
    April 26, 2008 07:27

    Folks: Comments closed on this post--continue your fun with the rest of us over here. Mario: ask your question over there.

11. Anonymous says:
    May 14, 2008 10:05

    Chad-

    You brought up what the Roman historian said

    "You know what Tacitus, the Roman historian, said about the Christian communities banding together in the midst of Roman persecution and dominion? He said you could spot them in a crowd because, "oh, how they love one another!" Such is the mark that distinguished them from everyone else. Morey, who cares nothing of what others think of him and considers this a virtue would not have been picked out of a crowd by Tacitus"

    how does that apply to Dr. Morey? When people persecute him he doesn't band together with the other Christians? Of course he won't band together with the very people who slander and post blogs specifically about them. That's a given.

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