Dude looks like the Steven Colbert character on the Cobert Report.

He doesn't just look like him...lets just say Bob actually is (intellectually) what Colbert expertly satirizes as that character.

Ah, but there's a big difference in that there's more "truthiness" to Colbert than there is to Morey.

Joel Hughes has reported that Morey is threatening to sue him. http://theocentricliving.blogspot.com/
Larry Wessels has asked me to post his comments from an email to Joel.

"Dear Brother Joel,

Greetings in Christ. Keep calm and collected with strength from your love & faith in the Lord God Almighty. This life has many seemingly overwhelming tribulations & troubles but staying close to Jesus is the key to overcoming them all; I for one can certainly testify to that.

You should obviously know by now what type of individual you are dealing with in Morey and if not, please go back and review the posted audios on http://www.putfile.com/lieutenantcolumbo/media or the pdf reports about Morey on http://www.fileqube.com/shfolder/10211vNiXWr or all the internet links at http://moreylinks.blogspot.com/ or all the videos posted on Youtube (search truthseekerbobmorey) or the long version Morey expose videos on Google Video or Yahoo Video (search Robert Morey).

As documented in the above references, you are dealing with an individual who is not restricted to dealing with issues in the typical Biblical Christian way (meaning fair and truthful exchange of information with a sincere and honest intent) but rather with someone who will use every device that a saint or a devil would use. In other words, Morey is not restricted to handling situations in a strictly Christian manner, but rather he will use any and every gimmick, threat, slander, fraud, deceit, con, etc. imaginable to attain his desired goal if he deems it necessary. If he needs to lie he will lie or if the truth works out better for him in some instances he will tell the truth, or as other circumstances prevail he may feel that a half-truth may better serve his purposes. This is the way Morey has always operated yea these many years (which is one reason why he has been involved in so many church splits over those same years, going back to the 1980s).

Keep in mind that you are dealing with a person who sensationalizes the claims he makes about himself being this great Bible "scholar" as he sensationalizes the "value" of his "scholarly" books. He does this because in the end the bottom line for him is that he needs somebody to actually believe his "sensationalized" claims so they will support his "ministry" with cash. Cash, and plenty of it, is what energizes Morey's efforts in all he does when it comes to Christian ministry (find out more on this at the lieutenantcolumbo site from Morey himself on the audio file entitled "Morey Condemns Himself.").

The late Police investigator Hank Kitchen (see lieutenantcolumbo) said it best about Morey when he described Morey as being like a plumber who picks up his box of tools each day to go out and fix plumbing, to the plumber it's just a job to make money. At the end of the day the plumber does whatever he pleases. Hank said Morey uses Christianity like a plumber's tool box to go out and make money, it's just a job. One wonders where the love of Christ is in such a ministry as this.

As for myself I have said it since I discovered the "real" Robert Morey in 1994 and have stated it again and again over the last 14 years in print, video and now the internet (although Morey has threatened to sue me numerous times, he still has not done so, what is taking him so long?) that Christians should be aware that Morey is a "Proverbs 6" man. Proverbs 6 declares the six "yea seven" things "doth the Lord hate" and I can testify that Morey does all seven! Look up these verses in your Bible and prove me wrong. I say that Morey does what he does against Christians not out of love for Christ but so he can protect his own "filthy lucre" (1 Timothy 3:3,8) attained through his "tool box" ministry.

Anyway, brother Joel, be strong and steadfast in Christ our Saviour (Colossians 2: 2-15).

Because of the cross,

Larry Wessels
1 Peter 3:15"

Just as an update, the yahoo and google videos Larry mentioned have since been added to the lieutenantcolumbo site "Dr. Robert A. Morey Exposed!"

http://www.putfile.com/lieutenantcolumbo

When I was a Psych major in college, one of the most interesting personality disorders I studied, was that of "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" (aka "psychopath" or "sociopath").

One of the trademark of these types of individuals is they like to use any/every means necessary, in order to manipulate others to do their bidding.

Interestingly, one of the big "career fields" (if you will) where these people "thrive" is religious ministry--more specifically, being religious con artists.

Given what I've read thus far about Robert Morey, I can't help but wonder if he's one of these types of people.

Above Bob S. referred to the possibility that Morey's behavior is characterized by a personality disorder known as "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" (aka "psychopath" or "sociopath").

For anyone wanting more information on this, here's something my sister-in-law sent me on the topic that can be helpful in spotting con artists. I leave it to you who've been burned by Morey and subsequently investigated his past behavior patterns as to how well he matches up against this. As always, those involved in this matter should consider praying for people on both sides - Morey, his alleged victims and people on both sides. A couple of well-known people who have been deemed to have sociopathic tendency by some experts are O.J. Simpson and President William Clinton.

Again, the information below on the sociopaths can be useful for spotting con artists. I have a friend who is a retired pastor/psychologist and he cautioned that people who are pathological liars/sociopaths can be very difficult to fix, if that’s even possible. He said many times you really can’t help them until they get to point they want help, and until they have an internal heart change. It's similar to when dealing with drug addicts and people attempting suicide. If they don’t want to be helped it is a difficult situation. You can only help the person if they’re willing to be changed. Change can be scary for many people because it is scary to change out of our comfort zone.

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Profile of a Sociopath

A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.

- Glibness/Superficial Charm

Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.

- Manipulative and Conning

They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They dominate and humiliate their victims.

- Grandiose Sense of Self

Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the "spokesman for God," "enlightened,"
"leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality

- Pathological Lying

Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up
in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.

- Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and
opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let
nothing stand in their way.

- Shallow Emotions

When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

- Incapacity for Love

While they talks about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive it. Since they do not believe in the geniuses of their followers' love,
they are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.

- Need for Stimulation

Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical
punishments are normal.

- Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Unable to emphasize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the behavior as necessary for their (or the group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.

- Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature

Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect.

- Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency

Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant
behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

- Irresponsibility/Unreliability

Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame
themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers.

- Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for dating, etc.

- Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other
utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.

- Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.

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Other Related Qualities:

1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.

NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder."

-------------------------------------------------- The Sociopath (link offsite)

Letter which covers sociopathic behavior at headquarters

Without Conscience: The disturbing world of the psychopaths among us by Robert D. Hare

(book) Books exposing Herbert W. Armstrong (includes where to order)

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some people have found these articles at these links helpful in understanding abusive leaders.

http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html

http://christiananswers.net/evangelism/beliefs/test-mindcontrol.html

http://www.towerwatch.com/articles/identifying_a_cult.htm

http://www.towerwatch.com/articles/what_is_a_cult.htm

http://www.towerwatch.com/articles/spirital_abuse.htm

I have written two blog articles on Morey that a christian brother posted for me on his blog. The first is "Why Are So Many Christians Attacking Dr. Robert Morey?" This article deals briefly with the question of accountability. The second is "The Wessels Case Against "Dr." Robert Morey And The Research And Education Foundation Briefly Stated." This is a brief synopsis of the REF 1990s scandal with links to some of the relevant video, audio and pdf evidence on the issue. Here is the url.

http://saintaugustinian.blogspot.com/

A page with a network of links regarding Morey is here.

http://moreylinks.blogspot.com/

Much of the video information is available on youtube, google, and yahoo video by doing a search on Morey's name. The entire video and audio evidence is found at my site here.

http://www.putfile.com/lieutenantcolumbo

The entire pdf evidence is available for subscription as an rss feed here.

http://www.fileqube.com/shfolder/10211vNiXWr?out=rss

The mp3 evidence is also available for subscription as an rss feed here.

http://www.fileqube.com/shfolder/12596JtkZi?out=rss

God bless.

Vatos,
The above descriptions totally characterize me as a socio-path as well! Nevertheless, I still detest right-wing moral crusaders like this ass-wipe. How do you say "Creepy Evil Christian Asshole" in Espanol? I think they call them pedo-padrecitos, que no?

OK, my espanol is un poquito rusty, but I believe "Creepy Evil Christian Asshole" in Spanish
is. "Asqueroso, malhechor cristiano bejo".

Glenn and others have reported (in the comments section of the post below) that two of the new elders (Drew and Henry) have now left FCC:

http://glennhendrickson.blogspot.com/2008/07/personal-update-71908.html

Bob is again attempting to sweep this fact under the rug.

I have known the Doc for 10 years. His motives are transparent and he is serious about doing the work of God.

There is a lot of really slanderous crap here on this site.

I've left churches before. And I've even had it happen under circumstances that hurt me.

But I've never decided to get even by hopping on the computer and publicly calling the leader mentally insane or questioning the motives and heart attitudes and making wild speculations as to why the person is in ministry.

Pretty lame.

Brian James Shanley
Minneapolis, MN

www.myspace.com/rev_shanley

bjshanley@hotmail.com

www.brianjamesshanley.wordpress.com

Hey Brian: You must be new to this site. Here's what "Doctor" Bob said about his critics earlier in the year:

The above authors counsel churches under attack by such terrorists not to react to these childish tirades and temper tantrums. Instead, we should remain positive and go on doing works of charity -while ignoring the terrorists.

These poor mentally unbalanced people, whose only meaning in life to tear down other people, will eventually burn themselves out with all their hatred and bitterness.

So, will you criticize Morey for his slanderous crap?

Brian,

"There is a lot of really slanderous crap here on this site."

Do you have a single shred of evidence for this assertion?

According to wordnet.princeton.edu, the term slander is commonly used in these ways:

Noun

S: (n) slander (words FALSELY SPOKEN that damage the reputation of another)

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Please provide the documentation that our behavior falls under the category of "words FALSELY SPOKEN".

A little hint: I think you mean LIBEL rather than slander. Slander refers to spoken falsehoods while libel is written. You may want to tweak your accusation before showing us the evidence:

Noun

S: (n) libel (a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person)

Brian said, I have known the Doc for 10 years. His motives are transparent...

Brian,simply check out http://moreylinks.blogspot.com/

http://saintaugustinian.blogspot.com/2008/07/wessels-case-against-dr-robert-morey.html#links

http://saintaugustinian.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-are-so-many-christians-attacking-dr.html#links

You did look at the evidence did you not before making your statements that people are libeling morey for no good reason?

Don't you agree the evidence covering his last 20 YEARS speaks for itself? Yes brian, consistent testimony of abuse means what?

I suppose you'd say that if MacArthur or Piper gave orders that cash offerings at church not be counted and that they were taking them home and keeping all the cash in their residence, that would be ok with you right? And they'd still be able to keep their ministry? you did see the evidence yes that your boy was doing that?

sigh....

Apparently brian...

Ephes. 5:11 ("expose the works of darkness" - especially when they are in the church) and "love thy neighbor...(to protect them from a patterned predator)" don't mean much to you.

But for those who know the evidence, it does have living application to many on the various blogs who are seeking to protect others from becoming future Morey victims. Keep in mind Brian, it was Morey who chose not to put elders in place at FCC so this kind of thing would be dealt with privately where they could hold him accountable for his sin. It was Morey who refused to do an ethical Matt. 18 with people seeking his repentance for what he did to them (pastoral abuse, lies, slander, libel, humiliation, cutting off contact between the saints....). Therefore those church members are doing their duty to deal with him according to his own choosing.

It's funny brian, there are pastors in the know about this situation who take an opposite view of you. They seem to be ok that the church members need to expose Morey in order to protect others. Brian, are you saying these pastors are wrong? Do your homework. Then comment.

Has anyone noticed that from the Faith Defenders web site when you view the location of Sunday chruch meetings that the address has changed? Have they vacated their building on Fitch?

Morey's former radio producer for years, Mike Stephens recently did a recorded interview with Larry Wessels regarding his experience with Bob Morey. I blogged about it here.
http://saintaugustinian.blogspot.com/

If anyone has any facts of which I am unaware, I would be open to hearing them. All I ask out of respect to the Doc is that it be done off-line.

I am a friend of truth, not an enemy of it. I would welcome any fellow believer who wants to get ahold of me and talk.

Thanks.

Respectfully:

BJS

bjshanley@hotmail.com
www.brianjamesshanley.wordpress.com
www.myspace.com/rev_shanley
www.lulu.com/brianjamesshanley

PS - Mike Stephens is an old email / phone pal of mine from years ago. Mike, if you're out there, hope all is well with you and your family, bro.

Robert morrey you going to hell with jessus christ amien

The link below contains all the information need to prove Robert Morey's sinful and criminal behavior. It was compiled by recently ordained and resigned elders at FCCOC. The evidence is shocking and irrefutable. I invite everyone to read *all* of the descriptions and documents in order to follow the timeline accurately.

robertmorey.blogspot.com

EDIT: robertmorey.wordpress.com

I've posted four new blog articles on Morey at http://saintaugustinian.blogspot.com/
1. "George Bonneau Speaks About His Court Cases Against Dr. Robert Morey!"
This is an audio interview between Larry Wessels and George Bonneau of Crown Publications. 17:20 min in length.
2. "The 1992 REF Tax Form With The Signature Of Dr. Robert A. Morey!"
This contains the picture scans of the relevant material to view along with a link to the pdf.
3. "A New Blog Has Emerged Documenting Bob Morey's Latest Controversy!"
This contains the links to the relevant web pages covering the material.
4. "Mike Christopulos Writes To Herman Otten Regarding Bob Morey!"
This contains the picture scans of the letter to Herman Otten along with a link to the pdf.

The people spreading lies and deceit are lame for wasting your time.

Hello,

I do not know why there are several task forces of websites and "ministries" out to "get Morey.

Wessels is causing people to stumble as a result. Larry has been doing this for almost 20 years. Give me a break. You made your case NOW GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!

Look, even though I know that Morey has some problems with behavior, we should not use his sins as various forums of entertainment. By doing this all fall into their own sin of gossip as well.

Even though Morey probably hates me due to my posts (since I've been kicked off for stating the truth about Sindy's Occult Christian synchronism), I truly honestly really care and have a deep concern for Morey. I pray for him to be restored. And I am extremely saddened that his sin of behavior has caused his destruction.

Though I have prayed to God that either his ministry would be destroyed if he doesn't repent, or that he repents and blesses the Body of Christ. My prayer was answered regrettably in the negative.

I Corinthians 13 tells us that we are not to take pleasure in other peoples pain. This has been done and all who have done this are guilty of sin.

I know more about Morey and his thinking then anybody on earth. I have studied the man for a very long time.

Pray for him so that he can become restored. I truly love him as a brother and have deep sadness about what has happened.

In Christ,

Jean Cauvin (Jude 3).