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Holy COW! I am sure I'll be blamed for it (and I wish I could take credit), but cheers and kudos to the person/people who got this information out there!

Because, of course, the diocese certainly wouldn't let anyone make a statement about Urell's past during mass ...

And they - and Urell's supporters - will never admit that what Urell did was evil.

Urell supporters will tell you that "this was in the past," and it is time to move on and forgive. But there is a problem: Urell has never given any indication that he will not continue to cover up sex abuse, harass and alienate brave survivors, and enable child sex crimes.

Forgive him all you want, but don't trust him. Don't trust him a bit.

!!!BRILLIANT!!!

Is it too much to ask these informative inserts become standard weekly, even monthly, additions?

Yeah, it is. But what a delicious thought.

DAMN!!! I wanted to be the creative genius with the passion to reach out to unsuspecting Catholics, with hope that children will be protected in the future... CONGRATS to whoever you are!

And who, pray tell John, are sex-abuse survivors abusing? Those poor, poor priests who condoned and cover up child molesters? You're one sick apologist to suggest that those who were sodomized—or worse—as children by priests have now become abusers. With thoughts like that, the closest you'll come to the Pearly Gates is driving past the TBN complex off the 405 Freeway.

Again, John Neelis focuses his attack on Gustavo who basically only informed us of an incident which actually happened over the weekend. John, you spend an awful lot of time on this blog. You must check it every hour of everyday. Abused children become abusers? I can't believe you would go there. That is sick. So you are admitting you acknowledge the abuse has gone on, and that there are a bunch of pissed off people who feel justice hasn't been served yet and Gustavo is representing their interests? I though you wanted justice to prevail. Equating adult survivors of molestation to Hitler youth is an abomination. Do you realize you are representing the worst of the worst as far as Catholics go. You are presenting for all the world to see how ignorant you are as well as becoming the poster child for Catholics who will protect their molesting priest at all costs.

You obviously don't have a job because you monitor Gustavo's blog all day and night. You don't realize what a fool your statements are making you look like. I bet Bishop Brown is wishing you would just shut up now. You are doing nothing for your congregation except show how imbecilic the thought process is.

Keep going John, you are only helping Gustavo get his point across loud and clear. Open your mouth, and insert our foot.

Please enlighten us on your feelings regarding Urell, which this post is actually about and not about the messenger who posted it. I am dying to know what you think about the role Urell played in all of this.

Wow John. That last sentence sounds like a threat. Seriously you are one fucked up individual. All your talk about Hitler youth and my time coming and you helping out. What would Jesus think?

Justice has not been served regarding John Urell.

Anything that can bring Urell closer to finally face the justice he deserves is a step in the right direction. It came close once, but Urell couldn't face it. His own guilty conscious got to him first. It's amazing to me that in the wake of his deposition breakdown action wasn't immediately taken by the authorities to get to the bottom of his involvement. He was just whisked away only to return once the heat was off him.

Justice and John Urell have yet to be introduced to each other.

There will be no peace for him or his victims until that day comes.

In the end, when we are judged for our thoughts, words and actions, both sides will be deemed wrong. Who cares who will win. You will all lose. The only difference is degree. The best thing I can tell you is to get on with your lives and live in the best traditions of a christian. Jesus would have wanted that.

That absolutely appears to be a threat Gustavo, and not something to be taken lightly. This guy sounds unbalanced and I would be concerned for your safety at this point with the amount of anger he apparently has for you. If he goes any further I would suggest filing a restraining order just to be on the safe side.

William is wrong. I don't hate anyone. Not even you Gustavo. I am just tired of the pounding the RCC takes. I would really like to know what some of these victims learned in religion class.
No priest or any one else for that matter would have gotten that far with me.
I have not taken sides with any priest durring my statements, yet I have been called all kind of names because I have an opinion.
I am neither impressed by power or money. I am impressed by truth and honesty. I hope the church does get purged of evil do'ers. It needs to be. This is not the way. The wheels of justice sometimes move slowly. If they are to move at all, the people involved must make them move. Not in the press, but in the courtroom.

John.... if you are truly interested in seeking the truths, you might want to meet with one of the survivors of heinous sex crimes committed by a Catholic priest... looking them straight in the eyes. Then, you will have the opportunity to ask any questions you deem fit... about cover ups, defamation, pastoral privilege and how other Catholics have isolated and reacted to their personal choice to speak out and seek justice.

John, it really is not that difficult to seek your own answers... the only difficulty you will find is when Church leaders or their attorneys find out you are intelligent and passionate enough to research the truths about the sex crimes that destroyed the innocence of so many children.

Victoria is right that blame for a long-festering scandal must go to those who run an organization, including in this case about 2/3 of the American bishops and all the popes beginning at least with Paul VI. Gustavo has been stellar in documenting the culpability of Orange County's bishops. But, of course, the bishops don't appoint themselves.

What's needed is a Vatican Council III -- or, better yet, a Council of Trent II -- to clean up the messes of the last 50 years and return the Church to decency and orthodoxy.

However...

Victoria unfortunately mostly uses what's called the "reductio ad Hitlerum." (See the Wikipedia entry.) Basically, if you want to shut down debate, bring up Schickelgruber.

It's also not relevant to bring up the Pope's youth. He was 5 when the Nazis seized total power. After the Catholic youth groups were dissolved, he was forced into the Hitlerjugend at 14. According to Wikipedia, "His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith, according to biographer John L. Allen, Jr. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime to a care center and killed there in secrecy during the Aktion T4 euthanasia campaign of Nazi eugenics. In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps. Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry, but a subsequent illness precluded him from the usual rigours of military duty. As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family's home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household."

She also is wrong that, "In fact all the high NAZI Party officials came from, 'Devout' Catholic Families." Hitler, Goebbels, Heydrich, and Himmler came from Catholic families, although how "devout" they were is hard to say, especially as German and Austrian society were rapidly secularizing. But Hess, Bormann, Speer, and Eichmann were from Protestant families. Goering's family was both Protestant and Catholic.

And how can Catholics be blamed because Goebbels attended Germany's secularized universities, studied anti-Christian philosophies, especially that of Nietzsche, became a Nazi, committed immense crimes including the Holocaust, and in the end even murdered his wife and six young children, then committed suicide? He seems to have made a special effort to perpetrate the *opposite* of everything he learned in his lost Catholic youth.

It's also wrong to say Hitler modeled his movement on the Catholic Church, when he modeled it on Italian fascism, which was founded by an atheist socialist journalist, Mussolini.

John,

I dont understand all your references to Hitler or calling Gustavo "my furor". I don't understand you calling the children who were abused "adult abusers". I don't understand your question about what did the victims learn in religion class. I don't understand your feelings about what Urell did and got away with. All you do is attack Gustavo or anyone else for that matter.

I don't understand you at all. I don't understand any single point you have ever tried to make. I don't understand why you are constantly on this blog. My family and I are good Catholics but you definitely don't represent my feelings or anyone else's I know. In fact, you are an embarrassment. You are doing more harm than good but you don't see it.

If you don't appreciate Gustavo's approach or find him offensive then don't read his blogs. You must have awakened this morning, turned on your computer and bee lined straight to Gustavo. Why? I don't even see anyone else in your corner.

You seem like a very ignorant person and an embarrassment to St. Norbert's Parish. I haven't see one person ever say "I agree with John" and I have looked back through all your posts.

If you really feel the way you do about justice and cleaning out the church, you should be first in line to make Urell accountable for his actions. Why aren't you? Why wont you tell us? In fact with all your justice wanting, it should have been YOU who posted those flyers all over. Now that would have made much more sense.

Unless personally know John Urell or the victim's, you really don't have a leg to stand on. I know him personally and I can tell you he is just like Judas the apostle.

Try reading some of the garbage that happens to the kids and see if it doesn't make you sick to your stomach. Unless you have facts or are involved or have been involved with a related incident you really cant say much.

Read Urell's deposition and you can see how he is protecting the pedophiles. I've personally spent days reading through his testimony and all his article's.

Take a psychology class or two and you will learn that people who do good (a select few), do good because they do bad things to others. Doing good is a way for them to feel better about the bad things they do. Its sort of a self-inflicted penance.

Bottom line- this needs to stop and John Urell is the key to unlocking this all. The question is, will he or can he? How and why is he protecting people? Protecting these sexual deviants does more harm than good and just makes him look bad.

You have to remember that this goes up to as high as Cardinal Mahoney. Yes I knew him too. How? I was an altar boy for a while and served for over 9 years as one. I've had direct involvement with several of these Church officials. I never had any problems with them but thats like saying that no one voted for George W. Bush the first time or the second time.

We all have demons in our closet that we must confront but the process of healing starts with acknowledging the problem.

If you go to a website or a Church service, you will not find any information on who and where to report any problems about similar crimes. I can tell you this because of direct involvement, Priest can be brutal because there is no one there to police them like Internal Affairs.

If John Urell really wants to help the Church and the victims heal, he would do the right thing. Testify, tell the truth because you are swearing under oath on a BIBLE. Why does John Urell protect, interact and help people like "Big Al" Ramos, Pechariach, Driscoll, Brown and so on?

Do you want your kids or someone you know to be a victim? How would you feel if this happened to you or someone you knew personally?

The power of information is a beautiful thing. We need to empower ourselves so things like this do not happen. Cut straight through the problem and get to the bottom line. How do we solve these issue's that have cost the Catholic Community close to Three Billion dollars?

You have to give Gustavo Arellano credit, the man does his homework! His job is to present facts and inform the public about the things that we try and look the other way to.

Knowledge is power, which gives us the power to do things. The rest is just a smoke screen...

Keep up the Great journalism and great work. Gustavo, you and the people like you are our last line of defense from the injustice we incur.

Thank you!!!!

Who the Hell is John Neelis? Is he a Jerbalito? He seems totally whack.

Urell is a pig. Kudos to whoever distributed the fliers!

Great idea, all responsible laity should expand this, to the pedo priests, monks, nuns, bishops and cardinals in their parishes and cathedrals!!!

If the law will not proescute then, if the courts won't get them, if the politicians won't increase penalties of felonies as well as stature of limitations towards them, if the church won't police thenselves, then it is the MORAL OBLIGATION of each lay member not only to passively resist (alla Ghandi), and not contribute any monies, but OUT all theses criminals, windshield by windshield, and bulletin by bulletin, until the darkness is driven out by the light!

I LOVE THIS IDEA, non violent, non confrontational, truthful, non fraudulent, non liabelious, non litigeous, etc.

"And the truth shall set you free..." St. John

Diogenes

This week of course the annual "hide the rapist" game in the diocease. This tool has been long used to quash controversy.

Unfortunately this game has serious consequences.

What about the Abortion Father Lenihan made one of his victims get. The abortion he (Lenihan) himself paid for. Making him the MURDERER of His Own Child. I am certain Urell didn't offer that bit of important information.

Brilliant action...I can almost here the background theme music. The people who pulled off the Holy Horror do need to post the plan and the details. Did they only stuff the bottom piles of bulletins? How many went out the door? I have always thought of stuffing the Missals, never the bulletins.

Great planning.

Kelly

Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch

http://www.st-timsrc.org/

can anyone tell me why the like to tell me why the only link that doesn't work on that page is the link to the list of CLERGY? What is it that they don't what anyone to know?

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning; it smells like victory!"

I feel sorry for the parishioner who offered information about this, "Covert" Leafletting, but was afraid to give his, or her, name. It's a crying shame when one has to fear one's fellow Catholics. I have known other people who could not have the listening sessions that someone spoke about earlier, on parish property, so instead invited victims to speak in the homes of parishioners. I attended one such meeting and it was wonderful. People listened, cried, laughed, prayed, sang, had good food and good company, and not one lay catholic went away from that meeting angry at the victims; merely hurt at the betrayal they suffered at the hands of their priests and bishops. And don't think these good catholics who, not only hosted these meetings, but also all those who attended, didn't hear about it from their parish priest. (Obviously there was a MOLE among the group who reported back to the priest; maybe even to the cardinal, about what went on, who all was there and what all was said).

Anyone planning a similar flyer program may contact me. I'd like to run an ad on the flyer for my business and help offset the printing costs.
Mike Ference
ference@icubed.com

For your summer reading & viewing:

Free at www.bishop-accountability.org = THE RYAN REPORT, THE JJ CRIMINAL JUSTICE REPORT, THE PHILADEPHIA CRIMINAL GRAND JURY REPORT

Free in your public libarary, or at www.amazon.com:

Authors for your consideration = RC Bishop Jeffery Robinson, Cardinal Carlo Martini of Milan, Italy, RC Bishop Thomas Gubmleton, Jason Berry, Dr. Leon Podles, Fr. Richard Sipe, David Yallop, Attorney & Legal Scholar Marci Hamilton, Dr. Rober Grant MD, Phillip Lawler, Fr. Thomas Reese SJ, Fr/Dr Howard Bleichner SS, & Fr/Dr/Canon Lawyer Thomas Doyle OP, to name only a few.

On DVD:

The Forgotten Maggies
The Magdalene Sisters
Goya's Ghosts
Deliver Us From Evil
Vows Of Silence

If you can donate even a single penny to the Roman Catholic Church, or it's charities (huge skim for the pedo cult) after even reading, or viewing, even a fraction of the above list, you are one very sick soul, and need to seek professional mental help.

Ciao John Seiler:

You are either a lay member in the pew, placing money in the offetory plate, basket, envelopes, or auto transfers, which IS going to continue the legitimization of a massive proven serial, mutiple decade, pedophile aid & abettor, enabler and perpetrator like Tod Brown (or Rog "Mahal" Mahony), or you are not. There is no middle ground here Mr. Seiler.

HOW WILL YOU ANSWER YOU LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST ON YOUR CLEAR & PRESENT ENDANGERMENT CONDUCT, by giving proven criminals more money?!

FOR SHAME JOHN SEILER!

"The only condition for the triumph of evil is for good men (or women) to do nothing!" as Edmund Burke reminds each of us.

St. Peter Damien remains correct in the assertion (which he was canonized for) to = "STOP DONATING LAITY!"

St. Paul to the Ephesians, 5:11, (and The Church just completed the Pauline Year) notes: "Do not deal in fruitless deeds of darkness, but expose them."

You, John Seiler, are part of the problem, by endorsing overt, pervasive, uncorrected, unremoved, curia criminality, on a global scale!

In the USA alone, in the last 35 years, from experts on all sides, including defenders of the Church, over 140,000 (ultra conservative number) children have been raped, sodomized, orally copulated, physically maimed, mentally tortured, extorted, hard ball litigated, lied to, kidnapped, driven to suicide, murdered, blackmailed, racketeered, obstructed in justice, delinquented, enslaved, brain-washed, or otherwise sexually assaulted.

Of 6,000+ "credibly accussed" priests out of 44,000, just in the USA, the USCCB privately still hides these incurrable deviants criminals, and by most honest accounts, there are at least this many (another 6,000+) still in active ministrties throughtout the USA, with full access to more children to assault.

Returning to "traditional" values solves NOTHING.

The foxes are still in charge of the chicken coop John Seiler!

WAKE (the expletive deleted) UP!

Fiat Lux & Veritas!

Albino Luciani,
MURDERED POPE

Dear Mike, I don't think the, "Leaflet Stuffing Event" would ever happen again. Now every Sunday, the Church's Bulletins will be watched over by armed guards.

lets put things into perspective jason, How many people have thought about putting up flyers and have not followed through with it? What is the mentality behind it? Well lots of things... Traitor, self agenda, Angry at the church, how dare they smear the church's name like that. It could be all of the above or it could be that the person/persons had enough from all the scandals and decided to do research. I can tell you my thoughts of the reason for not putting a name/face to Mr/Mrs. incognito distributors of the flyer. The reason is written on the paper in cap font, information is distributed this way to create on non bias so the people actually go and do research themselves ( I mean who actually believes everything they hear now, if you do then your just hurting yourself, remember we are people not sheeple...) The flyer states "Do your due diligence and confirm these facts! The information is left into the peoples hands to either confirm or not to confirm. "Many people live, fight, and die nameless for what they believe is right, Their name may not live on but the cause for which they die for does!"... Kudos to the people who made the flyer it got me off my ass and had me digging for information to make my own judgement on the matter!

Gustavo wrote: "Solution to the scandal? Simple: report abuse. After all, the worst scandal isn't the abuse but the cover-up and apologias."

I completely agree with you. And as to St. Peter Damian's "The Book of Gomorrah," which you brought up, a thousand years ago it led to major clerical and moral reforms by St. Leo IX and later popes. In 1823, Pope Leo XII made St. Peter Damian a doctor of the Church for this and other writings.

We need another St. Leo IX to cleanse the Church today. The 2/3 of U.S. bishops who were involved in the cover-ups should have been deposed and sent to monasteries to do penance for the rest of their lives, then replaced with better men.

I'm hoping that the next pope will be a great reformer like Leo IX or St. Pius V, probably not from Europe or America, where everybody seems burned out, but from Africa, Latin America, or the Philippines.

Welcone Back Beppe 'Red Shoes' Ratzinger to the AXIS OF EVIL; since Saddam Hussein was, well how do we put it, oh yes, given a 'Roman Prescription'!

My colleage, President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahamdinejad, compliments you on your election style, he learned a great deal from you, on how to run a fair and balanced election!

I myself, the Supreme Leader of The Peoples Democratic Republic Of North Korea, Kim Jong Il, have learned much in how to oppress truth, from you, and your Curia; however I must let you know, it was almost a tie wth Senior General Than Shwe of Myanmar (Burma), and President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, as to which State would get the coveted third spot in the AXIS.

Honorable mentions go to Syria, Russia, the Congo, Sudan, Somalia, and Saudi Arabia.

The Axis Of Evil nomination committee decided Al Queda, High Seas Pirates, and the Taliban, did not qualify, officially, as for their lack of despot nation-state status, to be nominated, was in question, at this time.

Congratulations to The Holy See, for showing "the way" to global terrorism, lies, body counts, wholeslae theft, racketeering, extorsion, mass endnagerment, propaganda, despotism, and opression, for a previous, and returning, new standard, in making the world a darker place!

Love & Kisses,

Kim Jong Il,
Supreme Leader
2009 Rotating Chair,
AXIS OF EVIL

Mary,

it was me.

And you know what, Mary? That anon showed more courage than Urell could ever hope to have. "Weak" is Urell and his apologists, of which there are too many to count, alas...

Ignorance is bliss isn't it Mary?

I say we get rid of all those anonymous tip lines too. Better to have criminals out on the street than a lot of people without balls.

To do good works and not seek credit for it seems awful. How dare this person not take credit for such an honorable act. They really stuck their neck out didn't they? We should have the right to chop it off shouldn'te we? I am so frustrated that I can't take my anger out on this person. I DEMAND TO KNOW who I can direct my anger towards and don't say Urell because I have my fingers in my ears and I cant hear you.