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Gustavo: if someone does ask Bilici (though why you want to go after him, for exercising his constitutional right to donate to anyone he chooses, is beyond me) what he thinks about the Armenian genocide and he acknowledges that it existed, will you apologize to him here in public?

Frankly I'm getting a little sick of OC Weekly perverse glee in constantly trying to publicly humilate and harass anyone who's ever donated more than a nickel to any Republican, anywhere, for any reason. I've heard that the self-described liberal, Phil Spector, is openly supporting Obama, Gustavo. Should the DNC return his money? Will the OC Weekly or LA Weekly be going after Spector for his donations too?

Gustavo: thanks for taking it down a notch. Apologies if I gave the impression I think of you as a partisan attack dog. But... what can I say? The coming election is making everyone crazy(ier), and it seems I and the OC Weekly are no exceptions. And OCW is rather open about its overall politics, which helps; at least you don't call yourselves "fair and balanced" like some other network whose name slips my mind right now. :-)

Having said that... it's not just about 'victim glasses.' This conservative will be happy to see Ted Stevens become unemployed in a few days, and it's likely that Dana Rohrabacher is nuttier than a Payday bar these days. You're right, fair is fair.

I simply don't see the need to go after Bilici, which is what set me off. It's one thing to go after Mr. Bren or Mr. Ahmanson; they've got more money than God and the influence comes with it free, whether they admit it or not. Bilici, on the other hand, sounds far more like the average working stiff. And, something of a rarity: a conservative on a local college campus. Plus he's teaching finance, not history. Do you think he's influencing his students about the Armenian genocide either way?

Anyway... sorry to go on so long. And, I may have a surprise for you soon. Gracias.

Gustavo Arellano, looks like you are keeping tally of Turkish American fundraisers, publishing names (addresses were somehow missing) of people who attended these events, and the amount of money they donated. I am sure Orange County residents are dying to get this information. You have gone overboard labelling people as "vile", "genocide-deniers", etc. Please keep in mind that the Turkish American community does not need your approval to support or oppose any politician. Your targeting and defamation of individuals in the Turkish community who are practicing their basic democratic rights is absolutely deplorable.

Hoo boy, not only does Ergun deny the Armenian genocide ever exist, he's also a bit of a Mexican bash. Classy, Ergun. Classy.

In addition to the good comments posted by "Alert American", I suggest anyone who states commentary on the Armenian issue first have some basic factual information. The attached url for the brief documentary is a good start.

This article written by Gustavo Arellanois is a clear example about how far the Mexican socialists can go in California using "actual malice" in their articles to character assassin innocent people and if you want defend yourself or oppose them they scream racism and hate.

"Erdal: You obviously don't read the Weekly. We always report on out-of-town donations in local political races--take the money that's pouring into Irvine, for instance, and read my colleague Matt Coker's coverage about them. It's the donor's right to fork over cash, of course--and it's our duty at the Weekly to report it."

I think your blog goes a bit beyond merely reporting, as anyone can attest. You wouldn't be in collusion with the "pranksters" who left their urine samples on my front door the other day, would you?

Appranetly, the URL attachment did not go through. Here is another try.

The professors speaking on the attached documentary certainly have a lot more knowledge on the issue than anybody writing on this blog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCmg7AdM1tU

Another recent article that the columnist should read.

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12304946

I also have a few more questions for you Gustavo concerning your certitude about Armenian claims.

1. Did you know that during the time period in question, starting in 1914 (before the relocation of Ottoman Armenians) until the end of WWI that 200,000 Armenian militants were armed and fighting against the Ottoman Empire?

2. Do you know that's more troops than the U.S. has had in Iraq at one time during this most recent war?

3. Did you know that Ottoman Armenians, including those who were then currently sitting members of the Ottoman parliament, just prior to the start of WWI hostilities, openly told the Ottoman government they would fight with the Russians against the Ottomans?

4. Do you know that Armenian political leaders admitted at the Paris Peace conference, and told anyone who would listen, that Ottoman Armenians in southeastern were "de facto belligerants" against the Ottoman Empire from the very outset of the war?

You should go read some publications authored by the leaders of the Armenian militants: Garegin Pastermadjian, Boghos Nubar and Hovhannes Katchaznouni -- those are good ones to start with.

My understanding is that, if you are a "de facto belligerant", it's called "war" and not "genocide."

"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" -- Adolf Hitler, in a speach given on 8/22/1939.

I'm sorry, was someone was saying something about the Armenian genocide never occurring?

THE INFAMOUS HITLER QUOTE: A FORGERY

http://www.turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=447&yid=4

Please read Dr. Heath Lowry’s (Prof. of History, Princeton University) research tracing the origins of the alleged Hitler statement.

It reveals how an infamous Hitler quote, an “embellishment” and a clever fabrication, found its way to the highest levels of the American society: media, politics, even museum. Imagine, if you will, our elected officials, uttering these baseless words, believing that they are factual just because it is repeated so often, when in reality, they are not.

How can we trust a politician, or even an academician, a journalist, or anyone else, for that matter, who blindly subscribes to the Armenian claims, is spite of the massive body of historical evidence and scholarly research that categorically refute and reject them?

Such ethocidal* behavior on the part of some of our elected officials and others is simply inexcusable. The Turks may make a “risk-free, easy target” for the hateful AFATH propaganda due to Turkish silence and a bonanza for those politicians like Schiff seeking a "quick return on investment" as in AFATH support.

The dignified Turkish silence is based in deep rooted Turkish culture where it is believed that suffering and does not need advertising, marketing, or selling . This dignified Turkish silence must not be misinterpreted as admission of guilt. Turks may never match the AFATH’s** arrogance, pettiness, or intensity.

Furthermore, the Turks may also have to battle to get the Turkish point of view across that invisible, latent, but potent anti-Turkish bias and bigotry, instilled by centuries of teachings. But none of this can change the bitter fact that it was a civil war within a war, not genocide. It was wartime suffering that did not discriminate on basis of ethnicity or religion, bur killed on its path.

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Legend:

* Ethocidal = Having the characteristics of systematic and malicious mass deception

**AFATH = Armenian Falsifiers and Turk Haters

Gustavo - Tremendous job. Stay strong - the deniers just try to intimidate everyone. You are a hero for calling it out.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/intrep.jsp?iid=45

All the comments are a ploy to bully people into not acknowledging the genocide.

Mr. Erdal - Hitler referred to the extermination of the Armenians on several occasions - some before he even took power. Look it up.

Those professors listed above are all part of the denial machine - just like Professor Donald Quataert used to be - http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=960

Yes the same Heath Lowry who was exposed as a fraud and only got the chair at Princeton through Turkish denialist connections - he had not published anything worthwhile or done any real scholarly work.

http://users.ids.net/~gregan/pac.html

http://users.ids.net/~gregan/crednt.html

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Armenian_Genocide

Ergun,
I have trouble understanding why you are so invested in hating Armenian's. Maybe you can explain?

You did not kill any Armenian in 1915, just as no Armenian-living now-is experiencing a genocide.

Your response to this article is fueled by hatred and anger. You made that perfectly clearly, but here's what I would like to know:

Your country already has Armenian land. Mt. Ararat is now in Turkey. You have stamped historical Armenian land with the flag of Turkey. Your citizens have desecrated ancient Armenian churches. Your educators and historians have successfully convinced your youth that the Armenian Genocide never happened. Armenian's are now scattered throughout the world, their language now has many variations, their country struggles as an independent nation...is this not enough proof that your people were successful?

If you're upset that your country is not accepted in the EU, or that you are forced to deny your most gifted and honorable, Nobel Prize Winning, writer Orhan Pamuk...simply because he accepts Turkish shortcomings and believes that there is a way to love his country by acknowledging it's mistakes....then you should look at your own racist response to this post and reconsider your position.

In this country we do not reward hatred. The genocide committed against the Armenians' was almost completely successful-be proud of that if you wish, but remember that We are still here!

Also, my dear Ergun, our blood may have flooded the Euphrates ninety-three years ago, but our bones are strong and our memories are sharp...we're not going anywhere.

Thank you Mr. Arellano for your responsible journalism.

You Turkish deniers are a joke. All one has to do is look at Turkey's history regarding the Armenian Genocide. They've changed their story nearly 7 times since the Armenian Genocide.

There are honorable men, and there are dishonorable men.

Gustavo Arellano is an honorable man for speaking the truth.

Nearly all the "Historians" that AlertAmerican posted have been discredited.

Also, Mr. AlertAmerican, you should be aware that the Armenian Genocide has been accepted by 40 states in the USA, the house foreign relations committee, Ronald Reagan, France, Germany, Russia, Syria, Wales, and many many more nations.

Stop trying to hide from your history Turkey. The noose is being tightened on your neck and the only way to escape the international communities contempt is to admit the evils you have committed not only to the Armenians, but the Assyrians, Jews, Greeks, and anybody else that wasn't a "Turk".

Open your eyes and see that no country in the world respects you because they see that you are a lying nation, the "Sick man of Europe". Fess up and start to join the world community. Don't fess up and drown in your own ignorance.

Hadeh,

Your claim that 'no one hates Turks' sounds hollow, upon reading comments trying to assert Armenian claims without proof.

Which government had a genocidal campaign?

Due to attacking major world powers, Ottoman Empire was crumbling at the time. Government forces had lost power no thanks to the armed Armenian volunteers of 200,000 attacking on the ranks of the Russian army into Eastern Anatolia.

Stanley Fiala,

You cannot judge a 19th Century event with 21st Century standards. 1915 events need to be examined in the backdrop of World War I. British and French armada started to hammer the Gallipoli peninsula on April 24 1915 in an effort to invade the capital city Istanbul. On the same day, Armenian minority of Eastern Anatolia started to massacre civilian Muslims in an effort to establish a pure Christian state for the Armenians. Turks acted in self defense by relocating the racist nation of Armenians who were in rebellion all over Anatolia.

Genocide is a legal term defined by the UN convention. It has nothing to do with people's personal preferences. It also does not include warring parties.

Sorry, not every death can be labeled a genocide. Government forces intent to destroy the group members for belonging to that group has to be established in a court of law. Armenians have prepared some forgeries over the 90 years, but no evidence is put forward yet.

The number of Armenian dead are so much exaggerated that we started to believe the Armenian dead do multiply. Why is there no mention of Turks killed by the Armenians and other invading enemy forces at the same time frame and location?

If every fighting Armenian has two siblings a dad and a mom, total number of Armenians who were innocent can be calculated as: 5*200,000 =1,000,0000. This is more than the total number of Armenians living in the area at the time. The 1911 print of Encyclopedia Britannica claimed the total population of Armenians in Anatolia as 1.3 million. Even Armenian leader Boghos Nubar announced over 600,000 Armenians reached Syria. What remains is how could more people than existed can have perished.

There cannot be denial of something which is not proven.

Jannaan,

I do not know if you have noticed but I was making my comment in support of yours.

You have stated: "You cannot judge a 19th Century event with 21st Century standards."

Yes you can because the history is repeating itself and there will be always people who will try to rewrite it for their personal gain like Gustavo.

Just take recent imbroglio in that area between Russia and Gruzia/Georgia. Who attack who?

We know the truth but it will never be told.

My problem is with Socialists like Gustavo who will use history to perpetuate lies for their personal gains and will stigmatize all opponents by use of the Hate Crime Act.

As an European, I fully understand how deep some events may go into the history to create hate. Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina hates go back about 500 years.

The Mexicans hate Americans for about 160 years because they lost the war in 1848 and cannot get over it and Gustavo will keep flapping his gums about it and will support Mexican fascistic groups like La Raza.

I was showing that homosexuals can attack normal people and that is a OK but if normal people attack homosexuals that is hate crime.

Mexicans can conduct ethnic cleansing against the Blacks in Southeast Los Angeles and Gustavo will never report on it because it is politically incorrect.

Do you realize how our beloved Speedy Gonzalez disappeared from the radar scope just as soon as I asked those pointed questions about his current or past connections with the A.F.A.T.H. community (Armenian- Falsifiers-And-Turk- Haters) ?

Speedy probably frets over my questions and secretly hopes that I will forget about them if he stayed silent a few days. Not a chance, though. Here are those questions again, with a few improvements along the way. I would appreciate it if you shared your responses with your readers here.

Caution: do not attempt to lie, because I will check your facts to see if your are deceiving your readers again. So here we go again:

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Dear Speedy,

May I please repeat my questions, since you failed to respond to them to this date:

1- Do you have any connections to Adam Schiff or his office? If yes, who?

2- Did someone from DNC or their connections in California assign you the task of being a hit man to go harass, intimidate, and terrorize Turkish-Americans of Orange County? Who gave you such a task?

3- Are you in any way related to Armenians by way of blood or marriage or girl friend(s) current or past?

4- Is anyone paying you or otherwise offering you benefits for acting like an attack dog on Turkish-Americans of Orange County? (Benefits could include money, recognition, awards, invitations, commercial ads, grants, book-deals, film-deals, speech-deals, panel/seminar invitations, and/or other such direct or indirect rewards)

5- Is your ethocidal * behavior by design or by default?

6- Do you know what TERESET is?

Your dear friend and buddy,

Ergun Kirlikovali

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(*) Ethocide: extermination of ethics by systematic and malicious mass-deception for political, cultural, and/or other gain.

Ergun, have a soul. These were people that were raped, murdered, and torn off their homelands by the Turks. All you're trying to do is trivialize the facts like any other genocide denier because you simply can't face the facts.

Ergun: I was waiting for you to ask where I was! Final proof I needed of your character. If you've been reading this blog, I've been reporting on other things--it's an election, you know.

To your questions, but first: you didn't answer mine about this Turkish "genocide" you speak of--was it classified as a genocide by a tribunal? If not, why do you call it as such?

My answers:

1. I hadn't heard of Adam Schiff until the Times article.
2. The DNC doesn't particularly like me--if you bothered to read the Weekly, you'd know this. I haven't harassed, intimidated or terrorized anyone--just connecting dots.
3. The only relationship I have to Armenians is when I eat at Zankou Chicken in Anaheim--and I don't go there much.
4. I have nothing against Turkish-Americans (more on that in a bit), only against vile men like yourself. And to suggest I'd ever do payola is laughable--again, this is America, not Ankara.
5. I looked up "ethocidal" in my English language dictionary and couldn't find a definition--sorry!
6. Yeah, I know Teresa--she's a girl I had the hots for in high school.

Erdal: Wasn't me. Maybe one of those University High pranksters that trashed the school a couple of weeks ago?

One of the anons: Yes, if local Armenians (or any other group, for that matter) started giving money in droves to an outside candidate, I would consider it news. We've done these stories in the past with other donors--you can look them up.

AlertAmerican and others: How have I slandered the Turkish-American community? I have nothing against it--I've known some, and they are pretty cool (great raki!). If I truly hated Turks, I would've never told my readers to eat at Doner G in Anaheim--great Turkish food. I do take issue, however, with those Turks (and anyone, for that matter) who deny the Armenian genocide. I find that reprehensible--and, although Ergun thinks otherwise, you don't need any connection to Armenians to feel that way.

Dear Mr. Ergun Kirlikovali -

Your arguments here have made you a liability to Mr. Hahn's campaign.

Your racism towards Gustavo Arellano's ethnicity discredits your perspective as a rational individual and thinker. "Speedy Gonzalez?" Are you an adult, sir? That is a racial slur.

It would behoove Mr. Hahn's campaign to return your donation and dissociate himself from a supporter who acts in this manner under pressure. To make matters worse, you exposed your racial bias here in writing by immediately attacking another man's ethnicity, prior to your attempt at rebutting his message.

It's clear that you did not appreciate Mr. Arellano's post. However, attacking the man's race..."Well, hold just one minute, Speedy Gonzalez?" in the first line of YOUR first post is possibly the worst retort you could have made. Perhaps you have friends that are of all different races, religions, or orientation? How unfortunate that you chose such a terrible knee-jerk reaction and insulted not only Mr. Arellano, but all people that share his ethnicity.

Racism is the first step towards genocide.

Dear Gustavo, I was at your book presentation and book signing a few weeks ago. All I have to say is, Alakh bajnvar muh, I LOVE YOU! Keep on doing what you're doing!

VIVA GUSTAVO ARELLANO!

"One of the anons: Yes, if local Armenians (or any other group, for that matter) started giving money in droves to an outside candidate, I would consider it news. We've done these stories in the past with other donors--you can look them up."

Then go for it. I've given you the link that lists Armenian donors that gave thousands of dollars to Menendez, but who don't live in NJ.

ALSO, would you please do an expose on the exploitation of photos from Holocaust by Armenians?

Did you know that all over the internet, just like the fabricated Hitler quote (which by the way, even an Armenian historian disavows and has asked the diaspora to stop using), Armenians pawn off photos of Jews killed by Nazis as photos of Armenians killed by Turks?

Here's the link to the video (it's very well done, you really should watch it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGU6s4i38I8

And, lest you think it's only one or two Armenians that use them, keep watching the video and it will show you that it is much much more than that.

One has to wonder, if these claims by Armenians are so undeniably real--

1. Why do the perpetuate so many forgeries and falsifications?

2. Why hasn't Armenia taken this to the ICJ?

3. Why do Armenians conceal the Dashnak military archives which document Armenian militant activity in southeastern Anatolia during WWI?

Did you know Gustavo, the caretaker of the Armenian Dashnak archives in Boston claimed they didn't have enough money to catalogue the documents and that's why they were kept from everyone except those that promote their genocide hypothesis.

And, then, when the director of the Turkish historical institute offered to donate $20M to the Armenian archives so they could be catalogued-- guess what happened?

Complete SILENCE.

So, Gustavo, I will keep checking back in for that expose on California Armenians donating to Menendez and your reportage on the exploitation of Holocaust photos by Armenians.

Anonymous wrote:

"The underdog, historically marginalized, far-too-geographically-dispersed-to-be-effective Turkish-American community raises a bit of money for a long-shot candidate who is firmly backed by a strong and vocal Armenian lobby....Where is the exciting story? Where is the scandal?"

The excitement creeps in to this story when the Turkish government spends millions and millions of dollars on high-priced lobbying firms (DLA Piper, the Livingston Group and others), public relations firms (Fleishman-Hillard), and strong-arms the Jewish American lobby (AIPAC, ADL, AJC, etc.) into working against any kind of government recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Do not assume we are unaware of these factors.

The grassroots phenomenon is firmly on the Armenian American constituency side - the old communities that are in the US because of the genocide itself. But that power is but a drop compared to the will of multiple governments, their top government officials, and the best lobbying and PR firms money can buy.

And with all that power and money on the side of denial - the truth still shines through.

Let's get real here.

Dear Hadeh,

You bring up a good point.

Let's take a closer look at Armenian campaign contributions.

Menendez of NJ received $136,000 from Armenians.

There are 50 Senators and 435 and something odd House of Representatives.

Now, that adds up to some big Armenian cash: $136,000 x 485 = $66M Total

Hadeh, I'd have to say your post smacks of some serious hypocracy with a capital H.

Wow, I can’t believe that Ergun and his friends are continuing this cycle of hate. To hear Turks, in this day and age, completely revise and shroud history under a blanket of lies. I am impressed with how they have manipulated what is so ostensibly clear and true. What I want is justice for all people. Armenians, the Jews, the people of Darfur. It is people like Ergun, who are radicals and who perpetuate the cycle of Genocide and want to shut the truth up just like when Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink was killed on the streets of Istanbul just two years ago, because he spoke up for the Genocide and now that hatred has transplanted itself on this country’s shores- -the country that my grandparents and their families found refuge in to escape the horrors of the Genocide. Dear Ergun, you are committing the final act of Genocide which is silencing the truth.

It isn’t enough that I can never go back to the city and land that my parents and grandparents and ancestors inhabited for thousands of years. It isn’t enough that I may never be close to the holy Mountain Ararat. It isn’t enough that virtually no Armenians live in the land they are indigenous of, the land that they have inhabited since 3000 BC. It isn’t enough that they were forced to leave and scattered all over the world as a result of the Genocide. It is isn’t enough that I had to hear my grandmother wake up in the middle of the night and scream from having nightmares so many years after she had escaped the Genocide. It isn’t enough that Henry Morgenthau and countless other diplomats have written eye-witness accounts of the Armenian Genocide. It isn’t enough that the thousands of Armenian historical landmarks, monasteries and churches in ancient Armenia have now been pissed upon. This isn’t enough for you? Are you mad that every single Armenian wasn’t wiped off the face of the earth.. and now you continue this succession of Genocide with your denial.

What are you gaining from this? How does this enrich your soul? I hope and pray that someday you can transcend your hate. I hope that you can come to terms with your country’s history, I pray and hope this can happen so we can all move on. I don’t care what you say. I know in my heart what is true. Go ahead and build your websites, collect money from lobbyists, call Armenians liars and fabricators and try your best at revising events, but in the end truth will prevail and nothing can compete with the truth.

C’mon Ergun, C’mon Turks, you can do it. You can accept the sins of your fathers and really rise above the horror, and then you will be at peace and your country and its culture will thrive. It must get tiring to keep up this act. I send peace to all.

My boyfriend is Jewish, his grandparents were survivors of the Holocaust. He just turned to me and said that if Neo-Nazi’s were on an esteemed blog site, speaking against the Holocaust there would be absolutely no room for it. Nobody is taking you seriously.
Goodnight and have sweet dreams.

Dear Pili and Tracy,

1. Did you know that during the time period in question, starting in 1914 (before the relocation of Ottoman Armenians) until the end of WWI that 200,000 Armenian militants were armed and fighting against the Ottoman Empire?

2. Do you know that's more troops than the U.S. has had in Iraq at one time during this most recent war?

3. Did you know that Ottoman Armenians, including those who were then currently sitting members of the Ottoman parliament, just prior to the start of WWI hostilities, openly told the Ottoman government they would fight with the Russians against the Ottomans?

4. Do you know that Armenian political leaders admitted at the Paris Peace conference, and told anyone who would listen, that Ottoman Armenians in southeastern were "de facto belligerants" against the Ottoman Empire from the very outset of the war?

You should go read some publications authored by the leaders of the Armenian militants: Garegin Pastermadjian, Boghos Nubar and Hovhannes Katchaznouni -- those are good ones to start with.

If you are a "de facto belligerant", it's called "war" and not "genocide."

Comments here by Armenians and Gustavo's article come perilously close to intimidation and threatening U.S. citizens who have dared to exercise their Constitutional right to participate in the federal election process.

Let's not forget that the first acts of domestic terror in the U.S. was not the 9/11 attack, but those perpetrated by Armenian terrorist groups.

It was in southern California that Armenian terrorists first began murdering Turks in the U.S. on the street back in 1973.

That, in light of the treacherous tone of this article is NOT an insignificant fact.

1- SPEEDY GONZALEZ

I see that some writers do not seem know who Speedy Gonzales is and assume that the moniker must be derogatory. A little background information, therefore, seems in order.

It is a lovable cartoon character, an animated mouse drawing from the Warner Brothers Looney Tunes. Speedy's major attribute is his ability to run lightning fast. He usually wears a huge sombrero, a white outfit, a big red ascot, and talks with a hilarious Mexican accent. Here is a classic Freleng short from the 1950s. My treat; enjoy watching it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43_ilAdwC8

As you can see, this film is about a cat guarding a cheese factory at the border. The other mice, who are uninteresting, forgettable, run of the mill characters with no names, use Speedy as their “hit man” to get passed the cat on the way to the cheese (sounds familiar?)

Before you judge Speedy Gonzalez harshly, though, let me remind you that he won the 1955 Academy Award for Best Cartoon and I still love that show to this day.

I remember how some complained about Speedy’s alleged stereotypical depictions of Mexicans. But I also remember LUTAC (The League of United Latin American Citizens) disputing these claims as LUTAC thought Speedy was, actually, a lot of fun and, indeed, a positive depiction of Mexicans.

Speedy is overwhelmingly unselfish as he helps others. He is smart, and he always gets the cheese. Fans like myself put Speedy back on the air. You can still catch it, every now and then, on Cartoon Network.

I call the blogger Speedy Gonzalez, strictly because of the speed with which he decided that a political fundraiser , an perfect exercise in democracy, was evil if held for a non-resident political candidate and that all Turkish-Americans (and Korean-Americans, Irish-Americans, Azeri-Americans, and others who also attended the fundraiser) were terrible people to be summarily attacked and insulted. It was a sarcastic but yet polite and humorous reference to his intimidating, harassing, and hateful attacks on all Turkish-Americans.

As revealed by a message above, Speedy apparently goes on book signing tours (though I feel sorry for those who are subjected to his writings) and he needs to sell books.

Well, Warner Brothers’ Speedy gets his cheese, mine gets his “book sales”.

2- “VILE”

On the other hand, the direct insult Speedy hurled at me, just as soon as he found out about my fundraiser for Hahn and just because I am a Turkish-American who disputes the unproven Armenian allegations of genocide, provides a stark contrast to the thoughtful and humorous nickname I chose for him in response.

He could have been thankful to me and retract his insult, but instead, he chose to deliberately repeat it.

I reserve all rights to defend myself in face of personal , libelous and hateful attacks on my person , and against ethnic discrimination.

Along those lines, I would like to share with you a press release by the TALDF ( Turkish American Legal Defense Fund ) yesterday:

3- ARMENIAN AMERICAN VERBAL THUGGERY IN OHIO PROVOKES CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION REQUEST

Washington, DC, November 3, 2008

The Turkish American Legal Defense Fund today requested the Attorney General of Ohio, Nancy H. Rogers, to open a criminal investigation under Ohio law into signature Armenian verbal thuggery employed by Armenian American independent candidate David Krikorian against Representative Jean Schmidt.

The Congresswoman represents the 2nd district of Ohio, and is running for re-election. The criminal lies under that Krikorian recently splattered against Ms. Schmidt are emblematic of the religiously and ethnically bigoted campaign tactics that Armenian Americans celebrate, directly or indirectly, against congressional candidates who refuse to salute their narrow, close-minded, fanatical anti-Turkish agenda.

Ohio’s Revised Code makes criminal intentional falsehoods calculated to impact elections. Other candidates for Congress that have been similarly victimized by Armenian American verbal thuggery in the 2008 election cycle include Steve Cohen (Tenn.), Virginia Foxx (N.C.), Charles Hahn (Calif.), Robert Wexler (Fla.), and Jill Morgenthaler (Ill.).

Kirkorian’s criminal lies about the Congresswoman and her campaign supporters are posted on the Internet at http://krikorianforcongress.com/genocide.php The Armenian American’s posting in substance falsely accuses Congresswoman Schmidt of bribery and Turkish Americans who have made campaign contributions for her of paying bribes, i.e., that she bargained for campaign contributions from Turkish Americans in exchange for a promise to take official actions in Congress in opposition to perennial "Armenian genocide" resolution in the House of Representatives: “Representative Jean Schmidt has taken $30,000 in blood money to deny the genocide of Christian Armenians by Muslim Turks.”

Contrary to the Krikorian's lies, there was no quid pro quo or any irregularity whatsoever in the campaign contributions for Congresswoman Schmidt. As is customary in political campaigns, contributors make financial contributions to candidates who support the policy positions of which they approve. In fact, Armenian Americans and their political action committees scrupulously confine their contributions to candidates who support or pledge to support “Armenian genocide” resolutions.

Congresswoman Schmidt’s opposition to the Armenian genocide resolution is readily explained by historical facts. Her conclusions accord with renowned Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis of Princeton University, who has been consulted by the White House under President George W. Bush, and others of comparable academic prestige.

The Congresswoman, based on her independent research does not believe the tragic events of World War I, in which both Armenians and Turks were killed in harrowing numbers, constituted genocide—an accusation that has never been proven in a court of law. She further maintains that the historical question is not appropriate for Congress to legislate.

The Turkish American Legal Defense Fund has written a letter to Attorney General Rogers urging a criminal investigation and prosecution of David Krikorian under Ohio campaign and false statement laws, Ohio Revised Code, section 3517.02 and section 2921.13(A)(2), respectively.

To paraphrase attorney Joseph Welch’s rebuke to Communist witch hunting Senator Joe McCarthy, have Armenian Americans no sense of decency, at long last? Have they left no sense of decency?

TALDF will oppose any assault from any quarter on the right of Turkish Americans to participate fully in the American political process, including voicing their opinions on issues impacting Turkish-American relations or otherwise.

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Turkish American Legal Defense Fund - TALDF

1025 Connecticut Avenue, Suite 1000, NW Washington, DC 20036

Phone: 202-370-1399 ext.3,

Fax: 202-370-1398

Website:www.taldf.org

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4- Now, in the light of your ethnically discriminating argument that fundraisers in support of non-resident candidates is a terrible thing to be summarily attacked and insulted, especially it seem if they deny an unproven allegation of genocide, Adam Schiff has received more money than Hahn from non-resident supporters.

Are you going to “expose” those non-resident supporters, too?

Are you going to call those organizers “vile”, too?

Are you going to lecture Schiff and his non-resident supporters on ethics and/or proprieties , too?

If yes, when can I see you exposé on Schiff?

If no, will not that make you a hypocrite?

Ergun: You are quite the comedian. You give a lame excuse for using "Crusader bias" in a previous commentary (your definition is correct in the lower-case version, but anyone with a mind knows that the upper case in the present context is usually used by Muslims when trashing Christians), then you try to spin your use of Speedy Gonzalez! I love Speedy as well, but when you started babbling about this not being Tijuana, that's when your lame attempt at sarcasm flopped. And now you're calling me "your" Speedy Gonzalez? HA!

Again: I have nothing against Turkish-Americans. I do have something against those Turkish-Americans (and others) who deny the Armenian genocide. And I called you vile, and will again, because of your writings, which I'll share with our readers in the coming weeks.

Regarding Jean Schmidt: Good luck with that. You Armenian genocide deniers need to get it out of your heads that opposition to your position is tantamount to anti-Turkish bias. In Schmidt's case (like Hahn's), I'd be curious to know why so many Turks gave money to her. Is it solely because she doesn't believe in the Armenian genocide? There very well might be another legitimate reason, but I wouldn't know. In your case, however, you organized the fundraiser for Hahn specifically because you don't like Schiff's stance on his resolution. It's your right to do that, and my right to write about it.

If Schiff's getting money from Orange County, I'd be interested in knowing. If those donors made vile statements like yours, I'd be interested in knowing. But there has to be an Orange County connection--otherwise, I'm not interested because that's not what I get paid for. And the fact is, Ergun, you and your pals take the cake for the moment.

By the way, you still haven't answered me: Why do you call the deaths of your countrymen during World War I a genocide when no court or tribunal has ruled as such?

For calling yourself AlertAmerican, you sure ain't alert--slander is spoken, libel is written. So not only do you deny the Armenian genocide, you're a fool, to boot. Must be fun to be you!

Speedy, I will just list your contradictions, while I still reserve my rights to protect myself against libel (The fact that I am responding at all should not be construed as I accept your insults or am in anyway comfortable with it.)

1- To my Tijuana, you came back with Ankara a couple times.

2- “crusader bias” is what fuels your attitude: attack people whom you don’t know for history about which you have no idea. You are only repeating Armenian propaganda material, perhaps thinking you are safe with your job that way. (Remembering what happened to Douglas Frantz at LA Times recently, I cannot blame you, as it takes courage to fight consensus built on bias and bigotry. )

3- Why don’t you research the names of OC residents in Schiff’s donor lists, just like you did the names of Hahn’s Turkish-Americans? After all, you took it upon yourself to research our names like a fascist dictator in a banana republic and attack us publicly with the viciousness of a pit bull. Now, if you did the same thing the opposite direction, too, then I would think "This guy is just messing with people for ratings" and move on. But if you don't reserach Schiff’s OC donors, then you are a biased blogger who is out to hurt people's reputations and /or emotions. Can you see the gigantic hypocrisy into which you trapped yourself?

4- With the Turks of Balkans, we are kind of entering a personal field. My last name means a person from “Kirlikova”, name of a tiny village populated by Turks in the Ottoman Balkans. Do not bother looking it up in a map as the Greeks razed it to the ground in 1912 and wiped out the Turkish population in it. Under still mostly unknown circumstances (as nobody was left alive to ask) my father, as a one year old baby, found a place on the Ottoman train making its last scheduled run from Selanik (today Thessaloniki) to Istanbul, the capital.

All we know about his past is what was scribbled on piece of paper pinned on his tiny baby clothes: “Akif’s son Ratip. Born Kirlikova. 1911.” That’s it! No mom or dad, no brothers or sisters, no uncles or aunts, no neighbors or even acquaintances. Nothing… Nada… Zip… The Ottoman Empire took him in, placed him in an orphanage (which was already bursting at the seams with other children from Eastern Anatolia where their Turkish parents were similarly slaughtered by others: Armenian revolutionaries.) The Empire cared for him and educated him until 1923 when it was replaced by the modern Republic of Turkey. My father became a forest engineer and married my mom in 1939.

My mom’s family was destroyed by still others: Macedonians and Serbs, as they were in Skopje, Macedonia. My mother’s family was a bit luckier, if the term is proper, as a few members of her family survived after escaping with just the clothes on their backs. Together, they had eight children and I am one of the youngest of sons, born in 1952. In a way, I am my father’s voice… That helpless baby’s voice fighting against bigots like yoursels and Armenian falsifiers and other Turk-haters.

My story, though tragic, is not unique in Turkey. You can fly to Turkey tomorrow, talk to the first person on the street, and ask him what his last name means or where his grandparents came from and you will see the pain, suffering, and loss gushing out right there. There is no Turkish family untouched by the WWI devastation. After all, other people attacked our country (Russia, Britain, France, etc.) and some of our beloved neighbors joined the invading enemies (Armenians, Greeks, etc.) Turks were only defending their country. Three million Muslims, mostly Turks, lost their lives; half a million of them at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries. That’s three million out of about 15 million… That would like 60 million Americans dying in a war… Can you grasp that, Speedy?

Armenian engineered, provoked, and waged a civil war because

a) the Armenians thought Turks were finished and this was the Armenians’ moment: just deliver the lethal punch and share in the loot.

b) Armenians had tremendous support from Russia, England and France as well as U.S. Protestant missionaries who only reported Ottoman-Christian suffering in an embellished way and the New York Times published them unchecked, thank you, to stir up the anti-Turkish, pro-ally, pro-war, pro-WWI frenzy in this country, resulting in products like you who are jolted out of their socks to find out that there is , indeed, another side of the story to Turkish-Armenian conflict.

c) Armenian had territorial demands and this was the opportune time to achieve their aims by taking up arms against their own government.

d) Armenians were effective in terrorist attacks from 1882 to 1921; rebellions from 1890 to 1915; and treason from 1877 to 1915. They did not even need to hide their disloyalty, schemes, and aspirations.

e) Armenian irregulars had more guns and ammo than the Turkish civilians who were not conscripted to the Turkish armies due to age or health reasons. These Turkish villages, whose sons were defending their country at many fronts, were easy hunt for the Armenian revolutionaries. You could not tell anymore which Armenian was on the Ottoman side and which on the Russian side.

You see Speedy, I don’t have to learn these from Armenian propaganda brochures. This is my life story. Turks grieve their dead silently, without creating much fanfare and drama. But our dignified silence should never be interpreted as admission of guilt for some crime not committed. Human tragedy? Yes, on both sides. Pain, suffering, loss? Yes, on both sides. It was a terrible civil war, not genocide.

Loss numbers? Honestly? Armenian losses less than 300,000 according to Gurun or 200,000 according to Paris Peace Conference Report dated March 29, 1919. Muslim/Turkish losses 524,000 at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries. No matter how you slice it, Turkish losses much exceed the Armenian ones. Yet, my losses are ignored or dismissed just because I come from a Muslim and/or Turkish background.
I wrote before, but it didn’t connect with you: not all killings, not all resettlements, not all suffering are genocide. Genocide verdict can only be given by a competent tribunal. Do you believe in rule of law, Speedy? Then you can no longer dance around this issue: either produce a genocide verdict by a court of law like Nuremberg, or open your heart to the terrible human suffering of people who are different than you in appearance, culture, or religion. You are committing a great injustice to my grandparents who cannot be here to write these lines. I am doing it for them.

Don't buy into their diversionary tactics, Gustavo: Ergun and his buddies will stop at nothing to harass those of us who, like you, know that the Armenian genocide happened.

We are at a brighter day now with people like Barack Obama, Adam Schiff, and Gustavo Arellano out there. I have greater hope for humanity because of the likes of you! Keep on spreading goodness around. By exposing these lies and wounds around you, you will help them heal and make the world a healthier happier place for us all. Thanks again Gustavo and once again,

¡VIVA GUSTAVO ARELLANO, BARACK OBAMA y ADAM SCHIFF!

GENOCIDE VERDICT ONLY BY A COMPETENT TRIBUNAL

Every time you are faced with a legitimate question, you fall back to the cozy warmth of your bias and bigotry.

When you felt the heat, all you could come up with was “Liar, liar… Pants on fire…”

Classy, Speedy, real classy.

At least some members of the AFATH community (Armenian Falsifiers and Turk Haters) throw in frequent quotes of the 1948 The United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide for a definition, you cannot even tell us what the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire was before WWI--like Dr. Atrek asked--quoting at least one non-Armenian, non-AFATH source.

Even those stealthy Armenian writers, though, fail to read the article 6 of the same convention which clearly sets out a methodology as to how that verdict of genocide shall be reached: via a competent tribunal. Such a tribunal, a la Nuremberg, was never convened and a genocide verdict was never given. How can then so many (Armenians and their sympathizers) benefit from a non-existent verdict for so long (since 1915) ?

Isn’t that what “lynching” is all about, Speedy?

Look up the definition. " ...to seize somebody believed to have committed a crime and put him or her to death immediately and without trial..."

The genocide verdict is not reserved for bloggers, columnists, activists, politicians, academicians, and others. It is reserved for legal experts of a competent tribunal as genocide is a legal term where the “intent” has to be proven. Do not underestimate or dismiss that tiny word, like so many others, overwhelmed with stories of pain and suffering of only one side, find it so irresistible to do.

INTENT MUST BE PROVEN

The whole controversy is surrounded around that one tiny word, intent, and Armenian propagandists and their allies know it well. That is why Armenians never dared to take Turkey to a competent tribunal since 1915 and chose to “fabricate” evidence instead.

Talât Pasha telegrams, for example, were forged to fill that gaping hole in their genocide allegation. Armenians falsified many other records after that.

The infamous Hitler quote which was proven to be bogus by Prof. Heath Lowry of Princeton (It is a good thing the US prosecutor refused to use as evidence that bogus document in Nuremberg trials; it was unsigned, undated, out of sequence, and stuck out like a sore thumb in a pile of otherwise neat and orderly Nazi documents.)

The American Ambassador Morgenthau, a rabid anti-Turk, is frequently used as a credible source. He posed as a career diplomat and a historian, but he was neither. He was a real estate agent and a developer from upstate New York who raised the most funds for the Wilson campaign in 1912 and was rewarded with an ambassadorial post by the president elect Wilson. Armenian falsifications go on and on.

ARMENIAN UPRISING AND TREASON

If the Armenian allegation of genocide ever goes to a competent tribunal one day in future, which it may yet, the intent will be the fulcrum around which the final verdict will hinge. Turkey is confident that if non-partisan, dispassionate scholars looked at the communications, they will quickly realized that the intent was to temporarily resettle (TERESET) the Ottoman-Armenians who overtly or covertly supported Armenian uprising and treason.

Langer, William L., Prof. of History, Harvard, in his book “The Diplomacy of Imperialism”, Alfred a. Knopf, New York (1960), p 157, was more thorough and fair than you in your lynching piece:

“… Revolutionary placards were being posted in the cities and there were not a few cases of the blackmailing of wealthy Armenians, who were forced to contribute to the cause. Europeans in Turkey were agreed that the immediate aim of the agitators was to incite disorder, bring about inhuman reprisals and so provoke the intervention of the powers. For that reason, it was said, they operated by preference in areas where the Armenians were in a hopeless minority, so that reprisals would be certain.

One of the revolutionaries told Dr. Hamlin, the founder of Robert College, that the Hunchak bands would ‘watch their opportunity to kill Turks and Kurds, set fire to their villages, and then make their escape into the mountains. The enraged Moslems will then rise, and fall upon the defenseless Armenians and slaughter them with such barbarity that Russia will enter in the name of humanity and Christian civilization and take possession’.

When the horrified missionary denounced the scheme as atrocious and infernal beyond anything ever known, he received this reply: ‘It appears so to you, no doubt; but we Armenians have determined to be free. Europe listened to the Bulgarian horrors and made Bulgaria free. She will listen to our cry when it goes up in the shrieks and blood of millions of women and children. We shall do it’…”

These findings are supported by another prominent scholar, a history professor at UCLA, Stanford J. Shaw (died in 2006), said in his book History Of The Ottoman Empire And modern Turkey , Cambridge University Press (1977), Volume II, page 315:

“…Armenians again flooded the czarist armies, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul. Hostilities were opened by Russians, who pushed across the border on November 1, 1914, though the Ottomans stopped them and pushed them back a few days later….A subsequent Russian counter offensive in January caused the Ottoman army to scatter…and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia , to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.

…Armenian leaders in Russia now declared their open support of the enemy and there seemed no other alternative. It would be impossible to determine which of the Armenians would remain loyal and which would follow the appeals of their leaders. As soon as the spring came, then, in mid-May 1915 orders were issued to evacuate the entire Armenian population from the provinces of Van, Bitlis, and Erzurum, to get them away from all areas where they might undermine the Ottoman campaigns against Russia or against the British in Egypt, with arrangements made to settle them in towns and camps in the Mosul area of Northern Iraq.

In addition, Armenians residing in the countryside (but not in the cities) of the Cilician districts as well as those of north Syria were to be sent to central Syria for the same reason. Specific instructions were issued for the army to protect the Armenians against nomadic attacks and to provide them with sufficient food and other supplies to meet their needs during the march and after they were settled. Warnings were sent to the Ottoman military commanders to make certain that neither the Kurds nor any other Muslims used the situation to gain vengeance for the long years of Armenian terrorism. The Armenians were to be protected and cared for until they returned to their homes after the war…”

HISTORIANS SPEAK OUT

69 other historians, scholars, and other experts on this issue, representing top American universities and colleges in this field, have signed a statement addressed to congress and published it in New York Times and Washington Post on May 19, 1985, supporting Lange’s and Shaw’s findings, saying:

“… The undersigned American academicians who specialize in Turkish, Ottoman and Middle Eastern Studies are concerned that the current language embodied in House Joint Resolution 192 is misleading and/or inaccurate in several respects. ..

(W)e respectfully take exception to that portion of the text which singles out for special recognition: ‘. . . the one and one half million people of Armenian ancestry who were victims of genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923 . . ..’

Our reservations focus on the use of the words ‘Turkey’ and ‘genocide’ and may be summarized as follows:

From the fourteenth century until 1922, the area currently known as Turkey, or more correctly, the Republic of Turkey, was part of the territory encompassing the multinational, multi-religious state known as the Ottoman Empire.

It is wrong to equate the Ottoman Empire with the Republic of Turkey in the same way that it is wrong to equate the Hapsburg Empire with the Republic of Austria. The Ottoman Empire, which was brought to an end in 1922, by the successful conclusion of the Turkish Revolution which established the present day Republic of Turkey in 1923, incorporated lands and people which today account for more than twenty-five distinct countries in Southeastern Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East, only one of which is the Republic of Turkey. The Republic of Turkey bears no responsibility for any events which occurred in Ottoman times, yet by naming ‘Turkey’ in the Resolution, its authors have implicitly labeled it as guilty of ‘genocide’ it charges transpired between 1915 and 1923;

As for the charge of ‘genocide,’ no signatory of this statement wishes to minimize the scope of Armenian suffering. We are likewise cognizant that it cannot be viewed as separate from the suffering experienced by the Muslim inhabitants of the region.

The weight of evidence so far uncovered points in the direct of serious inter communal warfare (perpetrated by Muslim and Christian irregular forces), complicated by disease, famine, suffering and massacres in Anatolia and adjoining areas during the First World War. Indeed, throughout the years in question, the region was the scene of more or less continuous warfare, not unlike the tragedy which has gone on in Lebanon for the past decade. The resulting death toll among both Muslim and Christian communities of the region was immense.

But much more remains to be discovered before historians will be able to sort out precisely responsibility between warring and innocent, and to identify the causes for the events which resulted in the death or removal of large numbers of the eastern Anatolian population, Christian and Muslim alike.

Statesmen and politicians make history, and scholars write it. For this process to work scholars must be given access to the written records of the statesmen and politicians of the past. To date, the relevant archives in the Soviet Union, Syria, Bulgaria and Turkey all remain, for the most part, closed to dispassionate historians. Until they become available, the history of the Ottoman Empire in the period encompassed by H.J. Res. 192 (1915-1923) cannot be adequately known.

We believe that the proper position for the United States Congress to take on this and related issues is to encourage full and open access to all historical archives and not to make charges on historical events before they are fully understood. Such charges as those contained H.J. Res. 192 would inevitably reflect unjustly upon the people of Turkey and perhaps set back irreparably progress historians are just now beginning to achieve in understanding these tragic events.

As the above comments illustrate, the history of the Ottoman-Armenians is much debated among scholars… By passing the resolution Congress will be attempting to determine by legislation which side of the historical question is correct. Such a resolution, based on historically questionable assumptions, can only damage the cause of honest historical inquiry, and damage the credibility of the American legislative process…”
If the scholarship above does not satisfy you, perhaps you would like to hear from the horse’s mouth.

Look how Boghos Nubar, leader of the Armenian delegation at Paris Peace Conference, in a letter to the Times of London, published on January 30, 1919, begs the allies at Paris conference at the end of World War I, urging them to reward the Armenians for their service:

“…The Armenians have been, since the beginning of the war, de facto belligerents - since they fought alongside the Allies on all fronts - in Palestine and Syria, where the Armenian volunteers, recruited by the Armenian National Delegation at the request of the French government, made up more than half of the French contingent. In the Caucasus, where, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Imperial Russian Army, more than 40,000 of their volunteers offered resistance to the Turkish Armies.”

What genocide are you talking about? This is war… Plain, simple…and ugly… As all wars are…

You say you reviewed the Armenian evidence and you believe it. You simply fall for the same mistake many other scholars usually do: you use the pro-Armenian, partisan sources, all of which take wartime propaganda and bias produced by Armenian nationalists, clergy, and their Western supporters at face value and regurgitate them.

Look what another historian, Guenter Lewy, who also reviewed existing Armenian evidence, says in his article titled Revisiting the Armenian Genocide published in Fall 2005 edition of Middle East Quarterly :

“…Most of those who maintain that Armenian deaths were premeditated and so constitute genocide base their argument on three pillars: the actions of Turkish military courts of 1919-20,…, the role of the so-called “Special Organization” accused of carrying out the massacres, and the Memoirs of Naim Bey which contain alleged telegrams of Interior Minister Talât Pasha…. Yet when these events and the sources describing them are subjected to careful examination, they provide at most a shaky foundation from which to claim, let alone conclude, that the deaths of Armenians were premeditated….”

ETHOCIDE, NOT GENOCIDE

Based on this, isn’t it a bit dishonest to present a complex, contested, and clearly unresolved historical event as “settled history” to unsuspecting masses? Don’t you think you should perhaps qualify your views as those of the Armenian camp?

It is because of these considerations, I have coined the term “ETHOCIDE” back in 2003, a brief definition of which is “extermination of ethics via malicious mass deception for political and/or other benefits”.

Ergun Kirlikovali

Son of Turkish survivors from both paternal and maternal sides

http://www.turkla.com

BOGHOS NUBAR PASHA LETTER TO THE TIMES OF LONDON DOCUMENTS ARMENIAN TREASON

Boghos Nubar Pasha, the leader of the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference after World War I, reveals in his letter dated 27 January 1919 to The Times of London, that it was the Armenian support for the allied war effort (read: treason) which led to the TERESET (temporary relocation not extermination) of those Armenians by the Ottoman authorities. Nubar lists how many thousand Armenian volunteers fought their fellow Ottoman citizens on the side of the invader, the Allies.

Here is a smoking gun, one of many, that proves beyond a shadow of doubt, that Armenians were not innocent , unarmed, non-combatant victims, as portrayed, but well armed, trained, motivated combatants..

Let’s read:

BOGHOS NUBAR PASHA TO THE TIMES OF LONDON

To the Editor of the Times,

Sir, the name of Armenia is not on the list of the nations admitted to the Peace Conference. Our sorrow and our disappointment are deep beyond expression. Armenians naturally expected their demand for admission to the Conference to be conceded, after all they had done for the common cause.

The unspeakable suffering and the dreadful losses that have befallen the Armenians by reason of their faithfulness to the Allies are now fully known. But I must emphasize the fact unhappily known to few, that ever since the beginning of the war the Armenians fought by the side of the Allies on all fronts. Adding our losses in the field to the greater losses through massacres and deportations, we find that over a million out of a total Armenian population of four million and a half have lost their lives in and through the war. Armenia's tribute to death is thus undoubtedly heavier in proportion than that of any other belligerent nation. For the Armenians have been belligerents de facto, since they indignantly refused to side with Turkey.

Our volunteers fought in the French "Legion Entrangere" and covered themselves with glory. In the Legion d'Orient they numbered over 5,000, and made up more than half the French contingent in Syria and Palestine, which took part in the decisive victory of General Allenby.

In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian armies, about 50,000 Armenian volunteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff, and others not only fought for four years for the cause of the Entente, but after the breakdown of Russia they were the only forces in the Caucasus to resist the advance of the Turks, whom they held in check until the armistice was signed. Thus they helped the British forces in Mesopotamia by hindering the Germano-Turks from sending their troops elsewhere.
These services have been acknowledged by the Allied Governments, as Lord Robert Cecil recognized in the House of Commons.
In virtue of all these considerations the Armenian National Delegation asked that the Armenian nation should be recognized as a belligerent.

Had the recognition been granted, we should now have been admitted, ipso facto, to the Conference, to which even transatlantic States have found access, though having merely broken off diplomatic relations with Germany, without the least sacrifice on their part.

At the moment when the fate of Armenia is being decided at the Peace Conference, it is my duty, as the head of the National Delegation which has no tribute from which its voice can resound, to state once again, in the columns of The Times, the important part played by the Armenians in this frightful war. I wish strongly to urge that the Armenians, having of their own free will cast their lot with the champions of right and justice, the victory of the Allies over their common enemies has secured to them a right to independence.

Believe me, sir, yours very truthfully,

Boghos Nubar
Paris, January 27, 1919

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Now, I ask again, does any of this sound like a genocide to any open-minded truth-seeker?

ARMENIAN TERRORISM: THEN AND NOW
Does the last writer read what I post? Understand them? Does he find them laughable? How about the long list below of Armenian acts of terrorism amongst us today? Is that laughable, too?
Armenian terrorism is a 150-year old bleeding wound. Even the partial documentation below proves beyond a shadow of doubt that there was significant Armenian terrorism before the WWI. Once the dimensions and depth of Armenian terrorism is established, it will be clear to any fair-minded reader, that the measures taken by the Ottoman government to eliminate armed political violence and organized crime among Ottoman-Armenians for the safety and welfare of all Ottoman citizens and the security and survival of the Ottoman state can hardly be considered a genocide.

Organized violence by the Armenian nationalists date back to 1880s ( if earlier cases are set aside as armed rebellions and/or civil unrest). Armenian nationalists used propaganda, agitation, and terror, in that order, for more than 25 years prior to 1915, to foment hostilities between the Muslims and Christians of Anatolia.

According to American sources (see archives below,) the plan set in motion by the Armenian nationalists was to attack remote, defenseless Turkish villages and kill Muslims indiscriminately. This, they hoped and planned, would provoke massive and brutal retaliations by Turks and trigger European intervention under the pretext of “protecting the Ottoman-Christians”. Once the European powers put an end to the Ottoman sovereignty in Eastern Anatolia, a greater Armenian state would be created in its place.

The Armenian nationalists resorted to this underhanded and bloody plan, because they knew the Armenian did not have the numbers or the means to create a greater Armenian by themselves – as Balkan Christians were able to do. The latter formed majority where they lived (the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Serbians, etc.) , whereas Armenian were scattered over an area larger than the Balkans and were never more than a third of the population where they lived. In most places, Armenians made up only 5-20 percent of the population. Even the racist King Crane report right after the WWI made it clear that an Armenian state was not viable and that even if all the Armenian around the world decoded to move to Eastern Anatolia, they would not make up half the population.

All this boils down to the fact that establishing a greater Armenia in eastern Anatolia, like the U.S. president Wilson was naively led to believe and support, would be nothing more than the creation of the first apartheid regime in the world, by invading (or non-resident) powers, resulting in rule of a massive Muslim majority by a tiny Christian minority. That is why the British, the French, the Russians, and later, the Americans kept the Armenian aspirations at arms length, paying only lip service for as long as Armenian services were needed for the allied causes and did not require much investment in terms of allied man and material.

Now let’s fast forward to the present time. Since 1973, more than 70 Turkish diplomats, their family members, and/or bystanders were indiscriminately killed by the organized Armenian terrors groups, such as ASALA, JCAG, ARA, and others. Below, please find a chronological rundown of Armenian atrocities and terrorism around the world.

As you can see from this brief introduction, the Armenians’ reliance on terrorism is not a new phenomenon that surfaced in the last 30 years. It has a well documented history of about 150 years, with periods of intensity (1890-1915 and 1973-2005) and inactivity. As Prof. Lowry will show you in my next column, there is a “thread of continuity” between early Armenian terrorists of 1890-1915 period and the current crop of Armenian terrorists, in terms of motivation, propaganda, agitation, modes of operation, and aims.

Peace,

Ergun KIRLIKOVALI

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Legend:
AAG = The alleged Armenian genocide
AFATH = Armenian Falsifiers and Turk Haters
WWI = The First World War
Ethocide = Extermination of ethics via pre-meditated and malicious mass deception for political, economic, social, and/or moral benefits

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ARMENIAN TERRORISM BEFORE, DURING, AND RIGHT AFTER WWI "…The Armenians incited confusions and committed terrorist acts. (...) Excitement and terror were necessary to raise the spirit of the people. The party was aiming at terrorizing the Ottoman government, thus contributing to reduce the prestige of this regime while working for its total destruction. Hentchaks wanted to eliminate all the Turkish and Armenian personalities working for the government, as well as all the spies and the informants. To allow them to realize all these terrorist actions, the party organized a specific branch completely devoted to the execution of acts of terrorism. The most convenient moment to start the general rebellion which would allow implementation of immediate objectives was the engagement of Turkey in war..."

Louise Nalbandian, The Armenian Revolutionary Movement: The development of Armenian Political Parties Through the Nineteenth Century", Berkeley, Los Angeles, University of California Press, 1963

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“…. As for the tactics of the revolutionaries, anything more fiendish one could not imagine - The assassination of Moslems in order to bring about the punishment of innocent men, the midnight extortion of money from villages which have just paid their taxes by day, the murder of persons who refuse to contribute to their collection boxes, are only some of the crimes of which Moslems, Catholics and Gregorians accuse them with no uncertain voice. The Armenian revolutionaries prefer to plunder their co-religionists to giving battle to their enemies; the anarchists of Constantinople throw bombs with the intention of provoking a massacre of their fellow-countrymen. If the object of English philanthropists and the roving brigands (who are the active agents of revolution) is to subject the bulk of eastern provinces to the tender mercies of an Armenian oligarchy, then I cannot entirely condemn the fanatic outbreaks of the Moslems or the repressive measures of the Turkish Government. On the other hand, if the object of the Armenians is to secure equality before law and the maintenance of security and peace in the countries partly inhabited by Armenians, then I can only say that their methods are not those calculated to achieve success… “

Sir Mark Sykes, The Caliph's Last Heritage, London 1915, p 409.

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“… Under such circumstances the revolt of a handful of Armenians had not a chance of success and was therefore unjustifiable. As a friend to the Armenians, revolt seemed to me purely mischievous. Some of the extremists declared that while they recognized that hundreds of innocent persons suffered from each of these attempts, they could provoke a big massacre which would bring in foreign intervention. Such intervention was useless so long as Russia was hostile. Lord Salisbury had publicly declared that as he could not get a fleet over the Taurus mountains he did not see how England could help the Armenians, much as he sympathized with them… “

Sir Edwin Pears, Forty Years in Constantinople, London 1915, p 155.

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Assassinations of Ottoman leaders by Armenian terrorists took place right after the WWI.

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ARMENIAN TERRORISM FROM 1973 TO PRESENT

January 27, 1973 Santa Barbara, California| The Armenian Gourgen Yanikian, a U.S. citizen, invites the Turkish Consul General, Mehmet Baydar, and the Consul, Bahadir Demir to a luncheon. The unsuspecting diplomats accept the friendly invitation. Gourgen Yanikian murders his two guests. He is sentenced to life imprisonment.

April 4, 1973 Paris Bombings at the Turkish Consulate General and the offices of Turkish Airlines (THY). Extensive damage.

October 26, 1973 New York Attempted bombing of the Turkish Information Office. The bomb is discovered in time and defused. A group calling itself the "Yanikian Commandos" claims responsibility. They want the release of the double murderer of Santa Barbara, Gourgen Yanikian, who insidiously murdered two Turkish diplomats.

February 7, 1975 Beirut Attempted bombing of the Turkish Information and Tourism Bureau. The bomb explodes while being defused. A Lebanese policeman is injured. The "Prisoner Gourgen Yanikian Group" claims responsibility.

February 20, 1975 Beirut The "Yanikian" group demanding the release of the double murderer of Santa Barbara strikes again. Extensive damage is caused by a bomb explosion at the THY offices. ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia) also claims responsibility for the bombing.

October 22, 1975 Vienna The Turkish Ambassador, Danis Tunaligil, is assassinated in his study by three Armenian terrorists. ASALA claims responsibility.

October 24, 1975 Paris Ambassador Ismail Erez and his driver, Talip Yener, are murdered. The ASALA and the JCAG (Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide) dispute responsibility.

October 28, 1975 Beirut Grenade attack on the Turkish Embassy. The ASALA claims responsibility.

February 16, 1976 Beirut The First Secretary of the Turkish Embassy, Oktar Cirit, is assassinated in a restaurant on Hamra Street. The ASALA claims responsibility.

May 17, 1976 Frankfurt, Essen, Cologne Consulates General in Frankfurt, Essen and Cologne are the targets of simultaneous bomb attacks.

May 28, 1976 Zurich Bomb attacks at the offices of the Turkish Labor Attache and the Garanti Bank. Extensive damage. A bomb in the Turkish Tourism Bureau is defused in time. Responsibility is claimed by the JCAG.

May 2, 1977 Beirut The cars of the Military Attache, Nahit Karakay, and the Administrative Attache, Ilhan Özbabacan, are destroyed. The two diplomats are uninjured. Credit is claimed by the ASALA.

May 14, 1977 Paris Bomb attack at the Turkish Tourism Bureau. Extensive damage. The "New Armenian Resistance Group" claims responsibility.

June 6, 1977 Zurich Bomb attack at the store of a Turkish citizen, Hüseyin Bülbül. June 9, 1977 Rome Assassination of the Turkish Ambassador to the Holy See, Taha Carim. He dies soon after the attack. The JCAG claims responsibility.

October 4, 1977 Los Angeles Bomb attack at the house of Professor Stanford Shaw, who teaches Ottoman history at the University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA). Responsibility is claimed by an "Armenian Group of 28."

January 2, 1978 Brussels Bomb attack at a building containing Turkish banking services. The "New Armenian Resistance" claims credit.

June 2, 1978 Madrid Terrorist attack on the automobile of the Turkish Ambassador, Zeki Kuneralp. His wife, Necla Kuneralp, the retired Turkish Ambassador Besir Balcioglu die immediately in the rain of gunfire. The Spanish chauffeur, Antonio Torres, dies of his injuries in the hospital. ASALA and JCAG claim responsibility.

December 6, 1978 Geneva A bomb explodes in front of the Turkish Consulate General. Extensive damage. The "New Armenian Resistance Group" claims responsibility.

December 17, 1978 Geneva A bomb explodes at the THY Bureau. ASALA claims responsibility.

July 8, 1979 Paris The French capital experiences four bomb attacks in a single day. The first is at the THY offices; the next at the offices of the Turkish Labor Attache; the third in the Turkish Information and Tourism Bureau. A fourth explosive, intended for the Turkish Permanent Representative to the O.E.C.D., is defused before it explodes. The JCAG claims responsibility.

August 22, 1979 Geneva A bomb is thrown at the car of the Turkish Consul General, Niyazi Adali. The diplomat escapes unhurt. Two Swiss passers-by are injured. Two cars are destroyed.

August 27, 1979 Frankfurt The offices of THY are totally destroyed by an explosion. A pedestrian is injured. The ASALA claims responsibility.

October 4, 1979 Copenhagen Two Danes are injured when a bomb explodes near the offices of THY. ASALA claims credit.

October 12, 1979 The Hague Ahmet Benler, the son of Turkish Ambassador Özdemir Benler, is assassinated by Armenian terrorists. The murderers escape. JCAG and ASALA claim responsibility.

October 30, 1979 Milan The offices of THY are destroyed by a bomb explosion. ASALA claims responsibility.

November 8, 1979 Rome The Turkish Tourism Office is destroyed by a bomb. ASALA claims responsibility.

November 18, 1979 Paris Bomb explosions destroy the offices of THY, KLM, and Lufthansa. Two French policemen are injured. Responsibility is claimed by ASALA.

November 25, 1979 Madrid Bomb explosions in front of the offices of TWA and British Airways. ASALA, in claiming responsibility, states that the attacks are meant as a warning to the Pope to cancel his planned visit to Turkey.

December 9, 1979 Rome Two bombs explode in downtown Rome, damaging the offices of PAN AM, British Airways and the Philippine Airways. Nine people are injured in the terrorist attack. A "New Armenian Resistance Movement" claims responsibility.

December 17, 1979 London Extensive damage is caused when a bomb explodes in front of the THY offices. A "Front for the Liberation of Armenia" claims responsibility.

December 22, 1979 Paris Yilmaz Çolpan, the Tourism Attache at the Turkish Embassy is assassinated while walking on the Champs Elysées. Several groups, including ASALA, JCAG and the "Commandos of Armenian Militants Against Genocide" claim responsibility.

December 22, 1979 Amsterdam Heavy damage results from a bomb explosion in front of the THY offices. ASALA claims credit.

December 23, 1979 Rome A bomb explodes in front of a World Council of Churches Refugee Center, being used as a transit point for Armenian refugees from Lebanon. ASALA claims credit for the attack and warns the Italian authorities to halt "the Armenian diaspora."

December 23, 1979 Rome Three bomb explosions occur in front of the offices of Air France and TWA, injuring a dozen passers-by. ASALA claims responsibility, stating that the bomb was placed "in reprisal against the repressive measures of French authorities against Armenians in France" (i.e., questioning suspects, carry out investigations, etc.)

January 10, 1980 Teheran A bomb which explodes in front of the THY offices causes extensive damage. ASALA claims responsibility.

January 20, 1980 Madrid A series of bomb attacks, resulting in numerous injuries, occurs in front of the offices of TWA, British Airways, Swissair, and Sabena. The JCAG claims credit for the attacks.

February 2, 1980 Brussels Two bombs explode within minutes of each other in front of the downtown offices of THY and Aeroflot. The "New Armenian Resistance Group" issues a communique in which they claim responsibility for both attacks.

February 6, 1980 Bern A terrorist opens fire on Turkish Ambassador Dogan Türkmen, who escapes with minor wounds. The would-be-assassin, an Armenian named Max Klindjian, is subsequently arrested in Marseilles and returned to Switzerland for trial. The JCAG claims credit for the attack.

February 18, 1980 Rome The offices of Lufthansa, El Al and Swissair are damaged by two bomb attacks. Telephone messages give three reasons for the attacks: 1. The Germans support "Turkish fascism"; 2. The Jews are Zionists (ASALA); 3. The Swiss behave "repressively" towards the Armenians.

March 10, 1980 Rome Bomb attacks on the THY and Turkish Tourism Bureau offices on the Piazza Della Repubblica. The blasts kill two Italians and injure fourteen. Credit for the attack is claimed by the "New Armenian Resistance of the Armenian Secret Army."

April 17, 1980 Rome The Turkish Ambassador to the Holy See, Vecdi Türel, is shot and seriously wounded. His chauffeur, Tahsin Güvenç, is also slightly wounded in the assassination attempt. JCAG claims responsibility for the attack.

May 19, 1980 Marseilles A rocket aimed at the Turkish Consulate General in Marseilles is discovered and defused prior to exploding. ASALA and a group calling itself "Black April" claim credit for the attack.

July 31, 1980 Athens Galip Özmen, the Administrative Attache at the Turkish Embassy, and his family are attacked by Armenian terrorists while sitting in their car. Galip Özmen and his fourteen-year-old daughter, Neslihan, are killed in the attack. His wife, Sevil, and his sixteen-year-old son, Kaan, are wounded. Credit for the double killing is claimed by ASALA.

August 5, 1980 Lyon Two terrorists storm into the Turkish Consulate General in Lyon and open fire, killing two and injuring several other bystanders. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

August 11, 1980 New York An "Armenian group" hurls paint bombs at the Turkish House across from the United Nations, home of the Turkish Representations in New York.

September 26, 1980 Paris Selçuk Bakkalbasi, the Press Counselor at the Turkish Embassy, is shot as he enters his home. Bakkalbasi survives but is permanently paralyzed as a result of his injuries. ASALA claims responsibility for the attack.

October 3, 1980 Geneva Two Armenian terrorists are injured when a bomb they are preparing explodes in their Geneva hotel room. The two, Suzy Mahseredjian from Canoga Park, California, and Alexander Yenikomechian, are arrested. Their arrest leads to the formation of a new group called "October 3," which subsequently strikes at Swiss targets.

October 3, 1980 Milan Two Italians are injured when a bomb explodes in front of the THY offices. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

October 5, 1980 Madrid The offices of Alitalia are rocked by a bomb explosion which injures twelve individuals. The ASALA claims responsibility for the attack.

October 6, 1980 Los Angeles Two molotov cocktails are thrown into the home of the Turkish Consul General, Kemal Arikan. He survives with injuries.

October 10, 1980 Beirut Two bombs explode near Swiss offices in West Beirut. A group calling itself "October 3" claims responsibility for these bombings as well as others on the same day against Swiss offices in England.

October 12, 1980 New York A bomb placed in front of the Turkish House explodes. Four passers-by are injured. JCAG assumes responsibility.

October 12, 1980 Los Angeles A travel agency in Hollywood, owned by a Turkish-American, is destroyed. JCAG claims responsibility.

October 12, 1980 London The Turkish Tourism and Information Bureau's offices are damaged by a bomb explosion. ASALA claims credit.

October 12, 1980 London A Swiss shopping complex in central London is damaged by a bomb blast. Callers claim the explosion was the work of "October 3."

October 13, 1980 Paris A Swiss tourist office is damaged by a bomb explosion. "October 3" again claims credit.

October 21, 1980 Interlaken, Switzerland A bomb is found in a Swiss express train coming from Paris. Luckily, it does not explode. "October 3" is believed to be behind the action, which could have caused a catastrophe.

November 4, 1980 Geneva The Swiss Palace of Justice in Geneva is heavily damaged by a bomb explosion. Credit is claimed by "October 3."

November 9, 1980 Strasbourg Heavy damage results from a bomb blast at the Turkish Consulate General. The attack is claimed by ASALA.

November 10, 1980 Rome Five people are injured in attacks on the Swissair and Swiss Tourist offices. ASALA and "October 3" claim credit.

November 19, 1980 Rome The offices of the Turkish Tourism Bureau and those of THY are damaged by a bomb explosion. ASALA claims responsibility.

November 25, 1980 Geneva The offices of the Union of Swiss Banks are hit by a bomb explosion. Responsibility is claimed by "October 3."

December 5, 1980 Marseilles A police expert defuses a time bomb left at the Swiss Consulate in Marseilles. "October 3" claims responsibility.

December 15, 1980 London Two bombs placed in front of the French Tourism Office in London are defused by a Scotland Yard bomb squad. "October 3" claims the bombs are a warning to the French for assistance they have rendered the Swiss in fighting Armenian terrorism.

December 17, 1980 Sydney Two terrorists assassinate sarik Ariyak, the Turkish Consul General, and his bodyguard, Engin Sever. JCAG claims responsibility.

December 25, 1980 Zurich A bomb explosion destroys a radar monitor at Kloten Airport, and a second explosive planted on the main runway of the airport is defused. "October 3" claims credit for these attempted mass-murders.

December 29, 1980 Madrid A Spanish reporter is seriously injured in a telephone booth while calling in a story to his paper about the bomb attack on the Swissair offices. "October 3" claims responsibility.

December 30, 1980 Beirut Bomb attack on the Credit-Suisse offices. ASALA and "October 3" fight over who gets the credit.

January 2, 1981 Beirut In a press communique, ASALA threatens to "attack all Swiss diplomats throughout the world" in response to the alleged mistreatment of "Suzy and Alex" in Switzerland. On January 4, ASALA issues a statement giving the Swiss a few days to think things over.

January 14, 1981 Paris A bomb explodes in the car of Ahmet Erbeyli, the Economic Counselor of the Turkish Embassy. Erbeyli is not injured, but the explosion totally destroys his car. A group calling itself the "Alex Yenikomechian Commandos" of ASALA claims credit for the explosion.

January 27, 1981 Milan The Swissair and Swiss Tourist offices in Milan are damaged by bomb explosions. Two passers-by are injured. "October 3" claims credit for the bombing in a call to local media representatives.

February 3, 1981 Los Angeles Bomb-squad officials disarm a bomb left at the Swiss Consulate. The terrorists threaten in anonymous phone calls that such attacks will continue until Suzy Mahseredjian is released.

February 5, 1981 Paris Bombs explode in the TWA and Air France offices. One injured, heavy material damage. "October 3" claims credit.

March 4, 1981 Paris Two terrorists open fire on Resat Morali, Labor Attache at the Turkish Embassy, Tecelli Ari, Religious Affairs Attache, and Ilkay Karakoç, the Paris representative of the Anadolu Bank. Morali and Ari are assassinated. Karakoç manages to escape. ASALA claims responsibility.

March 12, 1981 Teheran A group of ASALA terrorists try to occupy the Turkish Embassy, killing two guards in the process. Two of the perpetrators are captured and later executed by the Iranians. ASALA claims credit.

April 3, 1981 Copenhagen Cavit Demir, the Labor Attache at the Turkish Embassy, is shot as he enters his apartment building late in the evening and is seriously wounded. Both ASALA and JCAG claim the attack.

June 3, 1981 Los Angeles Bombs force the cancellation of performances by a Turkish folk-dance group. Threats of similar bombings force the group's performances in San Francisco to be canceled as well.

June 9, 1981 Geneva Mehmet Savas Yergüz, Secretary in the Turkish Consulate, is assassinated by the Armenian terrorist Mardiros Jamgotchian. The arrest of the ASALA terrorist leads to the formation of a new ASALA branch called the "Ninth of June Organization," which will be responsible for a new series of attacks.

June 11, 1981 Paris A group of Armenian terrorists, led by one Ara Toranian, occupies the THY offices. Initially ignored by the French authorities, the terrorists are only evicted from the premises after vehement protests from the Turkish Embassy.

June 19, 1981 Teheran A bomb explodes at the offices of Swissair. The "Ninth of June Organization" claims responsibility.

June 26, 1981 Los Angeles A bomb explodes in front of the Swiss Banking Corporation offices. Again the work of the "Ninth of June Organization."

July 19, 1981 Bern A bomb explodes at the Swiss Parliament Building. "Ninth of June" claims responsibility.

July 20, 1981 Zurich "Ninth of June" strikes again. A bomb explodes in an automatic photo-booth at Zurich's international airport.

July 21, 1981 Lausanne Twenty women are injured as a bomb laid by Armenian terrorists explodes in a department store. "Ninth of June" claims responsibility.

July 22, 1981 Geneva A bomb explodes in a locker at the train station. Authorities suspect "Ninth of June."

July 22, 1981 Geneva An hour later, a second bomb explodes in a locker at the station. Police cordoned off the area following the first explosion, thereby preventing injuries from the second.

August 11, 1981 Copenhagen Two bombs destroy the offices of Swissair. An American tourist is injured in the explosion. "Ninth of June" claims responsibility.

August 20, 1981 Los Angeles A bomb explodes outside the offices of Swiss Precision Instruments. The attack is claimed by "Ninth of June."

August 20, 1981 Paris Explosion at Alitalia Airlines. "October 3" is back in action.

September 15, 1981 Copenhagen Two people are injured as a bomb explodes in front of the THY offices. Police experts manage to defuse a second bomb. Credit is claimed by a "Sixth Armenian Liberation Army."

September 17, 1981 Teheran A bomb explosion damages a Swiss Embassy building. ASALA's "Ninth of June" claims responsibility.

September 24, 1981 Paris Four Armenian terrorists occupy the Turkish Consulate General. During their entry into the building, the Consul, Kaya Inal, and a security guard, Cemal Özen, are seriously wounded. Terrorists take 56 hostages. Özen dies of his injuries in the hospital. The terrorists are ASALA members.

October 3, 1981 Geneva The main post office and the city courthouse are hit by bomb explosions. An ASALA member is scheduled to go on trial for murder in the courthouse. "Ninth of June" claims credit for the attacks, which leave one person injured.

October 25, 1981 Rome An Armenian terrorist fires at Gökberk Ergenekon, Second Secretary at the Turkish Embassy. Ergenekon is wounded in the arm. ASALA claims credit in the name of the "September 24 Suicide Commandos."

October 25, 1981 Paris Fouquet's, the fashionable French restaurant, is the target of a bomb attack. A group calling itself "September-France" claims the attack.

October 26, 1981 Paris The same group is behind the explosion of a booby-trapped automobile in front of "Le Drugstore."

October 27, 1981 Paris "September-France" carries out a bomb attack at Roissy Airport.

October 27, 1981 Paris A second bomb explodes near a busy escalator at Roissy Airport. No one is injured. "September-France" claims responsibility.

October 28, 1981 Paris The same group is responsible for a bomb attack in a movie theater. Three people are injured. November 3, 1981 Madrid A bomb explodes in front of the Swissair offices, injuring three persons. Considerable damage to nearby buildings. ASALA claims responsibility.

November 5, 1981 Paris A bomb explodes in the Gare de Lyon, injuring one person. The attack is claimed by the Armenian "Orly Organization."

November 12, 1981 Beirut Simultaneous bomb explosions occur in front of three French offices: the French Cultural Center, the Air France offices and the home of the French Consul General. The "Orly Organization" claims responsibility. This organization owes its name to the fact that the French police arrested an Armenian at Orly Airport in Paris because of forged papers. The idea now is to "bomb him free."

November 14, 1981 Paris A bomb explosion damages an automobile near the Eiffel Tower. "Orly" claims responsibility.

November 14, 1981 Paris "Orly" launches a grenade attack on a group of tourists disembarking from a sightseeing boat on the River Seine.

November 15, 1981 Paris "Orly" threatens to blow up an Air France airplane in flight.

November 15, 1981 Beirut Simultaneous bomb attacks are carried out against three French targets: the "Union des Assurances de Paris", the Air France offices and the "Banque Libano-Française". "Orly" is responsible.

November 15, 1981 Paris A McDonald's restaurant is destroyed by "September-France."

November 16, 1981 Paris A bomb injures two innocent bystanders at the Gare de l'Est. "Orly" claims responsibility.

November 18, 1981 Paris "Orly" announces that it has planted a bomb at the Gare du Nord.

November 20, 1981 Los Angeles The Turkish Consulate General in Beverly Hills suffers extensive damage. The JCAG claims credit.

January 13, 1982 Toronto An ASALA bomb causes extensive damage to the Turkish Consulate General. January 17,

1982 Geneva Two bombs destroy parked cars. The ASALA "Ninth of June Organization" claims credit.

January 17, 1982 Paris A bomb explodes at the Union of Banks and a second is disarmed at the Credit Lyonnais. "Orly" claims responsibility.

January 19, 1982 Paris A bomb explodes in the Air France offices in the Palais des Congres. "Orly" claims responsibility.

January 28, 1982 Los Angeles Kemal Arikan, the Turkish Consul General in Los Angeles, is assassinated by two terrorists while driving to work. Nineteen year old Hampig Sassounian is arrested and sentenced to life.

March 22, 1982 Cambridge, Massachusetts A gift shop belonging to Orhan Gündüz, the Turkish Honorary Consul General in Boston, is blown up. Gündüz receives an ultimatum: Either he gives up his honorary position or he will be "executed." Responsibility is claimed by the JCAG.

March 26, 1982 Beirut Two dead, sixteen injured in an explosion at a movie theater. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

April 8, 1982 Ottawa Kani Güngör, the Commercial Attache at the Turkish Embassy in Ottawa, is seriously wounded in an attack by Armenian terrorists in the garage of his apartment house. ASALA claims responsibility.

April 24, 1982 Dortmund, West Germany Several Turkish-owned businesses suffer extensive damage in bomb attacks. The "New Armenian Resistance Organization" claims responsibility.

May 4, 1982 Cambridge, Massachusetts Orhan Gündüz, the Turkish Honorary Consul General in Boston is assassinated. The murderer is still at large.

May 10, 1982 Geneva Bombs explode at two banks. The attacks are claimed by an Armenian "World Punishment Organization."

May 18, 1982 Toronto Four Armenians are arrested for trying to smuggle money out of the country. The money was extorted from Armenians, a common practice throughout the world. In the course of the investigation, it is discovered that the terrorists fire-bombed the house of an Armenian who refused to make his contribution to Armenian terrorism.

May 18, 1982 Tampa, Florida Attack at the office of Nasuh Karahan, the Turkish Honorary Consul General.

May 26, 1982 Los Angeles A bomb damages the office of Swiss Banking Corporation. The suspects: four Armenians accused of involvement in ASALA.

May 30, 1982 Los Angeles Three members of ASALA are arrested when planting a bomb in the Air Canada cargo-office.

June 7, 1982 Lisbon The Administrative Attache at the Turkish Embassy, Erkut Akbay, and his wife, Nadide Akbay, are assassinated in front of their home. JCAG claims responsibility.

July 1, 1982 Rotterdam Kemalettin Demirer, the Turkish Consul General in Rotterdam, is shot down by four Armenian terrorists. An "Armenian Red Army" claims responsibility.

July 21, 1982 Paris Sixteen injured in a bomb explosion near a cafe in the Place Saint-Severin. Credit is claimed by the Orly Organization. "Orly" complains that the French do not treat the arrested Armenian terrorists as "political prisoners," but rather as ordinary criminals.

July 26, 1982 Paris "Orly" is responsible for injuring two women in an explosion in Paris' "Pub Saint-Germain."

August 2, 1982 Paris Pierre Gulumian, an Armenian terrorist, is killed when a bomb he is making explodes in his face.

August 7, 1982 Ankara, Esenboga Airport Two Armenian terrorists open fire in a crowded passenger waiting room. One of the terrorists takes more than twenty hostages while the second is apprehended by the police. Nine people are dead and eighty-two injured emdash; some seriously. The surviving terrorist, Levon Ekmekjian is arrested and sentenced.

August 8, 1982 Paris A bomb is defused in time. "Orly" regrets the discovery.

August 12, 1982 Paris Terrorists open fire on a policeman assigned to protect the offices of the Turkish Tourism Attache. Luckily, he escapes without injury.

August 27, 1982 Ottawa Colonel Atilla Altikat, the Military Attache at the Turkish Embassy, is assassinated in his car. JCAG claims responsibility.

September 9, 1982 Burgaz, Bulgaria Bora Süelkan, the Administrative Attache at the Turkish Consulate General in Burgaz, is assassinated in front of his home. The assassin leaves a message "We shot dead the Turkish diplomat: Combat Units of Justice Against the Armenian Genocide." An anonymous caller claims that the assassination is the work of a branch of the ASALA.

October 26, 1982 Los Angeles Five Armenian terrorists are charged with conspiring to blow up the offices of the Honorary Turkish Consul General in Philadelphia. All belong to the JCAG.

December 8, 1982 Athens Two Armenians on a motorbike throw a bomb at the offices of the Saudi Arabian Airlines. The bomb hits a power pylon, explodes and kills one of the terrorists. His accomplice, an Armenian from Iran named Vahe Kontaverdian is arrested. It is later revealed that ASALA ordered the attack because Saudi Arabia maintains friendly relations with Turkey.

January 21, 1983 Anaheim, California Nine "sophisticated" pipe bombs are confiscated from an Armenian bakery after one of the detonators goes off and causes fire.

January 22, 1983 Paris Two terrorists attack the offices of THY with hand grenades. No one is injured. ASALA claims credit.

January 22, 1983 Paris French police defuse a powerful explosive device near the THY counter at Orly airport. February 2, 1983 Brussels The offices of THY are bombed. The "New Armenian Resistance Organization" claims responsibility.

February 28, 1983 Luxembourg A bomb placed in front of Turkey's diplomatic mission is defused. The Armenian Reporter in New York reports that the "New Armenian Resistance Organization" is responsible.

February 28, 1983 Paris A bomb explodes at the Marmara Travel Agency. Killed in the explosion is Renée Morin, a French secretary. Four other Frenchmen are wounded. A few minutes after the attack, ASALA claims responsibility.

March 9, 1983 Belgrade Galip Balkar, the Turkish Ambassador to Yugoslavia is assassinated in central Belgrade. His chauffeur, Necati Kayar is shot in the stomach. As the two assailants flee from the scene, they are bravely pursued by Yugoslav citizens. One of the terrorists shoots and wounds a Yugoslav Colonel, and is in turn apprehended by a policeman. The second terrorist opens fire on civilians who are chasing him, killing a young student and wounding a young girl. The two terrorists, Kirkor Levonian and Raffi Elbekian, are tried and sentenced.

March 31, 1983 Frankfurt An anonymous caller threatened to bomb the offices and kill the staff of Tercüman newspaper, a Turkish daily.

May 24, 1983 Brussels Bombs explode in front of the Turkish Embassy's Culture and Information offices and in front of a Turkish-owned travel agency. The Italian director of the travel agency is wounded. ASALA claims credit.

June 16, 1983 Istanbul Armenian terrorists carry out an attack with hand grenades and automatic weapons inside the covered bazaar in Istanbul. Two dead, twenty-one wounded. ASALA claims responsibility.

July 8, 1983 Paris Armenian terrorists attack the offices of the British Council, protesting against the trials of Armenians in London.

July 14, 1983 Brussels Armenian terrorists murder Dursun Aksoy, the Administrative Attache at the Turkish Embassy. ASALA, ARA and JCAG claim responsibility.

July 15, 1983 Paris A bomb explodes in front of the THY counter at Orly airport. Eight dead, more than sixty injured. A 29 years old Syrian-Armenian named Varadjian Garbidjian confesses to having planted the bomb. He admits that the bomb was intended to have exploded once the plane was airborne.

July 15, 1983 London A bomb, similar to the one that exploded at Orly, is defused in time. ASALA claims responsibility for both attacks.

July 18, 1983 Lyon A bomb threat is made by ASALA against the Lyon railroad station.

July 20, 1983 Lyon Panicky evacuation of Lyon's Gare de Perrache following a bomb threat from ASALA.

July 22, 1983 Teheran "Orly" carries out bomb attacks on the French Embassy and Air France.

July 27, 1983 Lisbon Five Armenian terrorists attempt to storm the Turkish Embassy in Lisbon. Failing to gain access to the chancery, they occupy the residence, taking the Deputy Chief of Mission(DCM) and his family hostage. When explosives being planted by the terrorists go off, Cahide Mihçioglu, wife of the DCM and four of the terrorists are blown to pieces. The DCM, Yurtsev Mihçioglu, and his son Atasay are injured. The fifth terrorist is killed in the initial assault by Turkish security forces. One Portuguese policeman is also killed and another wounded. The ARA claims responsibility.

July 28, 1983 Lyon Another bomb threat on Lyon-Perrache railroad station. ASALA claims responsibility.

July 29, 1983 Teheran A threat to blow up the French Embassy in Teheran with a rocket attack causes Iranian officials to increase security at the facility.

July 31, 1983 Lyon and Rennes Bomb threats from Armenian terrorists force the emergency landing of two domestic French flights carrying 424 passengers. August 10, 1983 Teheran A bomb explodes in an automobile at the French Embassy. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

August 25, 1983 Bonn A whole series of bomb attacks against offices of the French Consulate General claim two lives and leave twenty-three injured. ASALA claims responsibility.

September 9, 1983 Teheran Two French Embassy cars are bombed. One of the bombs injures two embassy staff members. ASALA claims credit.

October 1, 1983 Marseilles A bomb blast destroys the U.S., Soviet and Algerian pavilions at an international trade fair in Marseilles. One person is killed and twenty-six injured. ASALA and "Orly" claim credit.

October 6, 1983 Teheran A French Embassy vehicle is bombed, injuring two passengers. "Orly" claims responsibility.

October 29, 1983 Beirut Hand-grenade attack on the French Embassy. One of the ASALA terrorists is arrested.

October 29, 1983 Beirut The Turkish Embassy is attacked by three Armenian terrorists. One of the assailants, Sarkis Denielian, a 19 years old Lebanese-Armenian is apprehended. ASALA claims responsibility.

February 8, 1984 Paris Bomb threat on an Air France flight to New York.

March 28, 1984 Teheran A timed series of attacks is carried out against Turkish diplomats: Two Armenian terrorists shoot and seriously wound Sergeant Ismail Pamukçu, employed at the office of the Turkish Military Attache; Hasan Servet Öktem, First Secretary of the Turkish Embassy, is slightly wounded as he leaves his home; Ibrahim Özdemir, the Administrative Attache at the Turkish Embassy, alerts police to two suspicious looking men. They turn out to be Armenian terrorists and are arrested; In the afternoon of the same day, Iranian police arrest three more Armenian terrorists outside the Turkish Embassy; An Armenian terrorist is killed when a bomb he is attempting to plant in the car of the Turkish Assistant Commercial Counselor explodes prematurely. The dead terrorist is later identified as Sultan Gregorian Semaperdan (ASALA).

March 29, 1984 Los Angeles ASALA sends a written threat, saying they will assassinate Turkish athletes who take part in the Olympics.

April 8, 1984 Beirut ASALA issues a communique warning that all flights to Turkey will be considered military targets.

April 26, 1984 Ankara The Turkish Prime Minister, Turgut Özal, receives a threat warning him that if he goes ahead with a planned visit to Teheran, ASALA will schedule a major terrorist operation against his country.

April 28, 1984 Teheran Two Armenian terrorists riding a motorcycle open fire on Isik Yönder as he drives his wife, Sadiye Yönder, to the Turkish Embassy where she works. Isik Yönder is killed, and ASALA claims credit for yet another senseless murder.

June 20, 1984 Vienna A bomb explodes in a car belonging to Erdogan Özen, Assistant Labor and Social Affairs Counselor at the Turkish Embassy in Vienna. Özen is killed and five others seriously wounded, including a policeman. ARA terrorists claim credit for the crime.

June 25, 1984 Los Angeles A news agency office in France receives a letter threatening to attack all governments, organizations and companies which assist, in any way whatsoever, Turkey's team at the Los Angeles Olympics.

August 13, 1984 Lyon A bomb explodes in a Lyon train station causing minor damage. ASALA claims credit.

September 1984 Teheran Several Turkish owned firms in Iran come under attack after receiving warning letters informing them that they are to be targeted. The first victim is the Sezai Türkes Company. A Turkish employee is injured while fighting the fire caused by the explosion. A chain of smaller scale acts of intimidation follows. September 1, 1984 Teheran Iranian authorities expose a plot to assassinate Ismet Birsel, the Turkish Ambassador to Teheran.

September 3, 1984 Istanbul Two Armenian terrorists die as one of their bombs goes off too soon. The ARA claims credit.

November 19, 1984 Vienna Evner Ergun, Deputy Director of the Centre for Social Development and Humanitarian Affairs of the United Nations, Vienna is assassinated while driving to work. The assassins leave a flag with the initials "ARA" on his body.

December 1984 Brussels Authorities are able to thwart a bombing attempt at the residence of Selçuk Incesu, Turkish Consul General.

December 29, 1984 Beirut Two French buildings in East Beirut are bombed. ASALA claims credit.

December 29, 1984 Paris Following an ASALA threat to blow up an Air France plane, police increase security at the Charles de Gaulle Airport.

January 3, 1985 Beirut The offices of Agence France Presse are extensively damaged when a bomb explodes.

March 3, 1985 Paris An anonymous caller to Agence France Presse threatens to attack French interests throughout the world upon the indictment of the three terrorists who participated in the Orly attack.

March 12, 1985 Ottawa Three heavily armed terrorists storm the Turkish Embassy, killing a Canadian security guard in the process. After blowing up the front door, the gunmen enter the building. Ambassador Coskun Kirca manages to escape but suffers extensive injuries. The wife and daughter of the Ambassador, who were taken hostage, are later released, and the terrorists surrender. ARA claims responsibility.

March 26, 1985 Toronto A threat to blow up the city of Toronto's transit system leads to chaos during the rush hour. An "Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Our Homeland" claims responsibility for the threat.

November 1985 Brussels A special anti-terrorist security squad of the Belgian police exposes and arrests three Armenian terrorists with Portuguese passports. They were planning an attack on Turkish officers at NATO headquarters.

November 28, 1985 Paris French police arrest the leader of the terrorist organization emdash; the "Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia-Revolutionary Movement" (ASALA-RM) emdash; Mr. Monte Melkonian, a U.S. citizen. In Melkonian's apartment, police confiscate weapons, explosive devices, arrival and departure information on Turkish ships scheduled to visit France and a picture of Turkey's Ambassador to France, Adnan Bulak.

December 1985 Paris Forty-one shoppers in two of Paris' leading department stores (Gallerie Lafayette and Printemps) are injured (twelve seriously) when nearly simultaneous bomb explosions rip through the stores. In the ensuing panic, some 10,000 Christmas shoppers flee into the street. The Armenian Reporter, published in New York, reports in its December 12th issue that French law enforcement authorities are concentrating on ASALA as the most likely perpetrator. ASALA later takes credit for the two bombings.

November 23, 1986 Melbourne At 2:15 a.m. a bomb explodes in front of the Turkish Consulate General. One dead -presumably the perpetrator- and one Australian injured.
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There is more, this is only a partial listing until 1986. But I think the open-minded truth-seekers amongst us are beginning to see the light behind all that Armenian misrepresentations and the anti-Turkish hate speech wrapped around the term genocide.

Ergun Kirlikovali
Son of Turkish survivors from both paternal and maternal sides
www.turkla.com

I'll comment about Mr. Arellano's statements in a moment, but let me start with his hypocrisy: Before posting here, I actually READ the 'Terms of Use' of this site. The very first two requirements caught my eye, quoted here:

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In the opening portions of Mr. Arellano's comments, his first response is to call Mr. Kirlikovali "vile". I've known this gentleman during the past three decades, and am pleased to call him a friend. I know, for an absolute fact, that if I asked him for help, he would give the shirt off of his own back to help his friends, without asking for or expecting anything in return. If that is the definition of 'vile', Mr. Arellano has redefined the term.

Further, I don't know how his comments about Mr. Kirlikovali are not "embarassing or causing distress" (as prohibited by the Terms of Use) or how his trying to 'out' Mr. Kirlikovali (and others) as to who they contribute campaign money to would not be considered an "invasion of privacy" (as also prohibited by the Terms of Use). But I guess the rules of both civility and THIS WEBSITE don't apply to Mr. Arellano.

Mr. Arellano is obviously not aware of some other FACTS. For example, Koreans are extremely grateful to Turks for their unstinting support during the Korean War. My wife (of Turkish ethnicity) has been amazed when Korean individuals, upon learning that she is Turkish, come up to her and thank her for Turkey's support of Korea, knowing nothing more about her than that she is Turkish.

Mr. Hahn, as a Korean-American, rightfully hoped that the Turkish-American community would, ONCE AGAIN, continue to show the support and friendship that has endured since the beginning of the Korean War.

Mr. Arellano also doesn't mention how, historically, the people of Turkey (the Ottoman Empire at the time) were known for PROTECTING the people of the region -- for example, during the Spanish Inquisition, Sephardic Jews found a safe haven within the Ottoman Empire. In fact, in 1998, for the 75th anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Turkey, the Sephardic Jewish community took out a full-page ad in the NY Times to THANK Turks and Turkey for all that they had done. So, if you have a group that has historically done its best to protect different groups, perhaps you should look beyond the surface before believing the inaccurate claims of just one group.

It's also fascinating how Mr. Arellano doesn't seem to understand that the conflict of the time was NOT one sided: four times as many Turks died in the conflicts as did Armenians, and the vast majority of those on both sides died for the same reason -- famine as a result of a civil war within a world war.

I've known many Americans who've been fed the propaganda about what is called the "Armenian Genocide", but without exception, those who've either traveled to Turkey, or done their own investigations into the troubles of the time, have come to the conclusion that this was NOT a one-sided conflict, and that it was NOT a genocide.

I'll finish now, as the terms of use of this site prevent me from telling Mr. Arellano what I think of him...

David Erbas-White

P.S. Don't bother checking, I also donated to Mr. Hahn. But you might want to consider that Mr. Hahn represents Republicans (of which I am one), or that he was running in my hometown district (where my mother still lives), or that folks might have other reasons for wanting Mr. Schiff not to return to Washington.

Good Girl: Gracias for the love!

Ergun and others: I don't understand the rationale behind bringing up Armenian incidents of terrorism or belligerence. What does that have to do with anything? That any attacks on the Armenians by Turks are thus justified? Sick.

David: Go ahead and tell me what you think of me. I'll tell you what I think of you--you're a funny man!

Sorry, Ergun and others: you can deny and evade all you want, but the weight of human history knows the truth. Academic experts? How about the Southern Poverty Law Center, the most respected organization that tracks hate groups in the country? They had a field day with people like you, Ergun--why, they even mentioned Tall Armenian Tale! I'm sure you'll dismiss their article as anti-Turk bias, but the only bias they have is the same one I share: against those who suppress and oppress.

Mr. Arellano,

Thank you for your article. I am in disbelief that some people will write alluding that the Armenian Genocide may not have happened. The manner in which this discussion blog is posted is far from any intellectuality and a display of ignorance and bigotry.
Sr. Henry Morgenthau , the neutral American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, sent a cable to the U.S. State Department in 1915:
"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses [sic] it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion."
Morgenthau's successor as Ambassador to Turkey, Abram Elkus, cabled the U.S. State Department in 1916 that the Young Turks were continuing an ". . . unchecked policy of extermination through starvation, exhaustion, and brutality of treatment hardly surpassed even in Turkish history."
In fact, the Turkish government itself held war crime trials and condemned to death the major leaders responsible.
The Turkish court concluded that the leaders of the Young Turk government were guilty of murder. "This fact has been proven and verified." It maintained that the genocidal scheme was carried out with as much secrecy as possible. That a public facade was maintained of "relocating" the Armenians. That they carried out the killing by a secret network. That the decision to eradicate the Armenians was not a hasty decision, but "the result of extensive and profound deliberations."
Ismail Enver Pasha, Ahmed Cemal Pasha, Mehmed Talât Bey, and a host of others were convicted by the Turkish court and condemned to death for "the extermination and destruction of the Armenians."

Get your facts straight Mr. Speedy Ergun Kirlikovali

& Thanks again Mr. Arellano
AnnieM

Gustavo,

I think the discussion has derailed from your original article, which expressed great criticism for OC residents who supported a republican candidate outside of their county. When informed that this is common procedure, you stated that you are only interested in exposing OC residents supporting candidates outside of OC. Then you were asked when you would expose other OC residents who contributed to the democratic candidate Schiff's campaign, as an objective journalist should do.

You provided a lot of other personal comments, but you have yet to respond to this legitimate question.

Please provide a response to this legitimate question.

Thank you

oops, i forgot to sign my name again to the last message just above. Sorry.

Sarp: I'm disappointed in you. I answered your question waaaaaaaaay up in the comments--and, since I assume you've actually read our paper, you know that we go after these types of stories all the time (as I mentioned before). You may ask why did I concentrate on this issue? Because of hypocrisy on Ergun's part--saying he supported Hahn not just because of his opposition to Schiff but because Schiff supported the bailout, despite that Ergun gave to candidates who supported the bailout--but also because to deny the Armenian genocide is reprehensible. If there's a group of people in OC advocating that position, you're damn right it's a story. If you have a problem with my focus or my thoughts, feel free to contact my editor--he's been happy with my decision to pursue this story, and that's the ultimate person I have to please. Not Turkish-Americans, not Armenian-Americans, but him.

Franz: I feel about anti-Semitic Armenians the same way I feel about anti-Semitic Turks or whites, so what's your point? And yes: I fight that shit all the time. You might want to read the recent post I did against La Voz de Aztlan, a Chicano website (my people!) that bashes Jews and gays with equal venom.

MORE ON MORGENTHAU

Morgenthau, the U.S. Ambassador to Istanbul from November 1913 to February 1916, presented himself as a career diplomat and historian in his book, whereas, in fact, he was neither.

He was a real estate developer from New York rewarded by President Wilson with the ambassadorial post to Istanbul, for raising the most funds during the 1912 presidential election campaign. Being a merchant all his life, he understandably had absolutely no idea about either diplomacy or history.

He was known for his racist views and anti-Turkish bias. Here is an example from his book:

"The Armenians, are known for their industry, their intelligence, and their decent and orderly lives. They are so superior to the Turks intellectually and morally"

Are you 9Tracy & Speedy) beginning to get the picture?

If Schiff subscribes to these vies, he is racist too, period!

If Tracy or Speedy subscribe to these views, your are racist, too.

There are no two ways about it.

Morgenthau never set foot out of Istanbul, except for a brief visit to Jerusalem—under Ottoman rule then— for religious reasons. Otherwise, he relied heavily on his Armenian male secretaries/assistants Hagop Andonian and Schamvonian, hardly objective, ethical translators.

What’s worse, Morgenthau relied heavily on the reports by the ARF (Armenian Revolutionary Foundation) who were at war with Turks. Any message ARF wanted in New York times, for example, they could get printed (not unlike today). All ARF had to do was to send a field report to Morgenthau, the rest was taken care of. After all, who is going to question a great American ambassador?

What’s equally questionable as source was the field reports from the U.S. Protestant missionaries who embellished the Armenian suffering and while totally ignoring the Muslim, mostly Turkish, suffering.

You will never find the unspeakable suffering my grandparents (both paternal and maternal) went through in those reports because they were of the wrong religion and ethnicity (Muslim and Turkish; automatic two strikes against in the AFATH minds)

Look what another missionary, a British one, Samsa, for instance, says about this kid of shamelessly biased reporting from the field (source: Lamsa, George M., The Secret of the Near East, Philadelphia, 1923, p 133):

“…In some towns containing ten Armenian houses and thirty Turkish houses, it was reported that 40,000 people were killed, about 10,000 women were taken to the harem, and thousands of children left destitute; and the city university destroyed, and the bishop killed. It is a well-known fact, that even in the last war, the native Christians, despite the Turkish cautions, armed themselves and fought on the side of the Allies. In these conflicts, they were not idle, but they were well supplied with artillery, machine guns and inflicted heavy losses on their enemies …”

…

And the New York Times kept publishing those field reports because they had “credible” names plastered all over them: Reverend this, Missionary that… And they came through the U.S. embassy in Istanbul. That’s all the credibility the New York Times needed at the time. Those reports were not checked.

The NYT was so bad, that that it covered the ”Turkish atrocities”, as they put it, 145 times in a span of one year in 1915, without giving not even one chance to Turks to refute, rebut, question, or comment any one of them.

Please, for one minute, put your bias away, and think about what I just wrote.

145 days of attack with zero chance given to responsible opposing views for rebuttals.

What would you call a paper, large or small, which covers a controversial issue 145 times, and always from the same point, and always with flaws, errors, omissions, distortions, and without giving the other side of the story any chance to cross examine, refute, or question the claims reported?

Journalist with a cause?

Advocate?

Fanatic?

By the way, guess who also helped the British war propagandists V. Bryce and Arnold Toynbee in writing their 1916 book on the treatment of Ottoman-Armenians?

You guessed it… Morgenthau!

Ergun Kirlikovali
Son of Turkish Survivors from both paternal and maternal sides
www.turkla.com

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And Speedy,

I don’t know how your editor takes what Good Girl revealed about the other day:

”…no morals, values, or common decency, hire hookers and live at home with their mother until they are 28…”

But I find it remarkable that after this devastating revelation, you are still out there unabashedly writing as if nothing happened. Classy, Speedy, real classy man...

Did you have your sense of decency surgically removed or something?

Wow!

On the Hahn-Schiff race, what is there not to get?

I happened to be a registered Republican as well as a “Reagan Republican”. Fiscally, I am conservative.

I believe government should get out of business and allow the American entrepreneurial spirit carry the country as always before.

I am also a businessman. When I make a poor business decision, I lose business and money. I don’t go to the government crying for a handout for my mistake?

So, yes, I don’t approve of Schiff’s support for bailout. But bailout is not the overriding concern for me. I am raising a child whom I am trying to protect against wholesale defamation by racist lynch mobs who have no idea about what transpired 100 years ago in some distant part of the world, save parroting what they have heard over the years from a hate-filled partisan bunch.

My culture and heritage, my honor and decency, and my child’s future are more important to me than a few bucks won or lost through business dealings.

I believe politics should be based on honest facts, not ethnically discriminating, hate-based, malicious propaganda.

The saying “All politics is local” in this day and age of internet and satellites is passé. It is obsolete. I will see to it that this culture is slowly but surely abandoned in favor of honesty, balance, fairness, and truth.

I detest Schiff’s racist and dishonest policies even more than his support for bailout.

Schiff is racist because he dismisses the immense Turkish death toll during WWI at the hands of ARmenian revolutionaries and only commemorates Armenian suffering.

And Schiff is dishonest because he knows there is no court verdict supporting genocide charges but he calls the events genocide anyway.

Being a Harvard lawyer, he sure knows the difference between “allegation” and “fact” but chooses to ignore for politcal gain.

He is also dishonest because he ignores the Armenian rebellions, terrorism, treason, and territorial demands that lead to their Tereset.

And he cannot claim ignorance, because only from me, he received two letters explaining the other side of the story.

So, he knows, but he chooses to look the other way.

If you must know how this whole thing started, all you have to do is ask. There is no need for snooping around peoples's backs, asking the help of snitches, giving it an air of clandestine operation... Just ask. Pick up the phone and ask, just like LA Times did... Just like Pasadena Star News did... Just like any other proper journalist would do. Who is your editor anyway? Does he agree with this kind of thrash-can intrusion into people's lives?

Back to the story.

At the beginning of this election year, a provocative thought occurred to me:

If a businessman (Darryl Issa) can spend his own money to recall a poorly performing governor of California (Gray Davis in 2003), why cannot another businessman (i.e. yours truly) unseat a racist and dishonest Congressman?

The more I thought abouyt this, the more determined I felt. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?

So, I contacted the Hahn campaign and the rest is history.

Now what part of all this don’t you get, Speedy?

Shall I spell it out for you?

It is called participation in the election system, a constitutionally protected right of any U.S. citizen.

Do I have to agree with you on any historical event before I can call a fundraiser?

Or do I need your (or your editor's) permission to do so?

Whoever tells about topics which obviously abolish their imaginary past, are labelled as ‘deniers’, as ‘agents of Turkish government’, or ‘people hired by the Turkish government’ or ‘disingenous scholars/authorities’. And, here are the names of Armenians who comply with the these terms:

“Garo Pasdermichan (Pastirmaciyan), the Ottoman deputy of Erzurum and commander of all the Armenian Officials and soldiers the Third Army to join the Russian Army in 1914, was the main denier. Because, he wrote in his book ‘Why Armenia Should Be Free’. (Boston, Dec.1918, Hairenik Publishing Company p. 16-17) that annual Congress of Dashnagzoutiun in August 1914 was held in Erzurum, before the war broke, and Turkish emissaries offered Dashnaks an autonomous Armenia (made up of Russian Armenia and the three Turkish vilayets of Erzurum, Van and Bitlis) under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire’, when they joined the Turkish side and stopped supporting the Russians, but the executive committee of the Dashnagzoutiun rejected the proposal! The Armenian members of this parley were the well-known publicist E.Aknouni, the representative from Van, A.Vramian, and the director of the Armenian schools in the district of Erzurum, Mr Rostom.

Another main denier was Boghos Noubar Pasha, the Armenian National Delegation President in The Paris Peace Conference 1919 who also stated that the Turks offered them autonomy in August 1914, much before the deportation, but they rejected this proposal and placed themselves without hesitation on the side of the Entente Powers from whom they expected liberation (Papers relating to the foreign relations of the United States The Paris Peace Conference 1919 United States Government Printing Office, 1948, Cilt IV, s 139-157).

Armenian Boghos Nubar, who told that ‘150 000 Armenian volunteers in Russian Army were the only forces against Turks’ (Times of London , 1919 Jan 30 Link: http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/10/2013-150-000-armenian-volunteers-in.html) was obviously a denier and agent of Turkish government.

Hovannes Katchaznouni, the first prime-minister of the Armenian state founded in 1918 and the prime authority of the Dashnagzoutiun Party who wrote a book ‘Dashnagzoutiun Has Nothing to do Anymore’ was also another chief denier. Because, in his book which is banned in Armenia, he stated that

*it was a mistake to establish the volunteer units.
*They were unconditionally allied with Russia,
*They massacred the Moslem population,
*The Armenian terrorist acts were directed, at winning the Western public opinion.
*British occupation aroused hopes of the Dashnaks,
They were provoked by imperial Sea to Sea land demand,
*They had not taken into consideration Turkey’s power,
* They should have used a peaceful language towards the Turks but they (Armenian Dashnaks) rejected the Turks who suggested to negotiate with them and they went on making war
*The decision of the deportation of Armenians was a rightful measure taken by Turks.
*Turkey had acted with an instinct of self-defence.
*Their government was a Dashnak dictatorship.
*The fault was within the Dashnak Party. They should commit suicide. They had nothing to do.

Vratsyan, the last prime minister of Dashnaks who wrote in an article published in December 3 1920 issue of Araç, that they transformed Armenia to an arenna of endless wars with its neighbours for the Entente Powers (RGASPİ fond 80, liste 4, dosya 83, yaprak 136)

The Armenian Soviet historian A.A.Lalayan who stated that the Dashnaks displayed extreme courage to massacre Turkish women, children and ill and old people (Contrarevolyutsionnıy ‘Daşnaktsutyun’ İ İmperialisti-çeskaya Voyna 1914-1918 gg.’, Revolyutsionnıy Vostok, No.2-3, p.92, 1936) was an Armenian denier and he was also hired by the Turkish government even before the establishment of Turkish Republic (establishment date: October 29,1923).

Armenian T. Haçikoğlyan who told that the Dashnaks eradicated thousands of Turks with their bloody hands (T. Haçikoglyan, 10 Let Armyanskoy Sttrelkovoy Divizii,p4-6. İzdatelstvo Polit. Uprav. KKA, Tiflis, 1930) was also a denier and agent of Turkish government.

KS Papazian, the writer of ‘Patriotism Perverted’ published in 1934, in Boston was also a denier. Because:

Papazian critized A. Khatisian and the then prime minister S.Vratzian for not publishing the text of Treaty of Gümrü which they signed on December 2, 1920 to put an end to the war between Turkey and the Armenian Republic on December 2, 1920, which coincided with the entrance of Bolsheviks in Armenia.
And told that the Armenian prime minister Simon Vratzian applied to the Turkish government on March 18, 1921 and asked military help of the Turks against the Bolsheviks!

Of course, even these few examples give great harm to the present Armenian thesis and lead people to question the Armenian’s innocence, their predominance in Ottoman population, and most importantly their genocide thesis. Of course, the fact that Turks offered the Dashnaks an autonomous Armenia (made up of Russian Armenia and the three Turkish vilayets of Erzurum, Van and Bitlis) under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire’, when they joined the Turkish side and stopped supporting the Russians, but the executive committee of the Dashnagzoutiun rejected the proposal in August 1914 before the war broke and offered negotiations during WWI too, are the major points that are not wanted by the Armenians to be known (Garo Pastırmacıan, Why Armenia Should be Free?, Boston, Dec.1918, Hairenik Publishing Company p. 16-17 and Papers relating to the foreign relations of the United States The Paris Peace Conference 1919 , United States Government Printing Office, 1948, Cilt IV, s 139-157).

Of course they fear a question of why the Turks did offer autonomy to Armenians if they decided to eradicate them.

And they fear the question of why and how the Armenian prime minister Simon Vratzian applied the Turkish government on March 18, 1921 and asked military help of the Turks against the Bolsheviks, in spite of the fact that the Turks committed a (so-called) genocide and murdered 1.5 million Armenians!

That is, the Armenian ancestors who created their history and the Armenian historians who wittnessed this period are the main deniers! Who are they: The top representatitives of the Otoman Armenians, Dashnags and prime ministers of Armenia!

So, it is not surprising that both the book of Hovannes Katchaznouni, the first prime-minister of the Armenian state, ‘Dashnagzoutiun Has Nothing to do Anymore’ and the book of K.S.Papazian ‘Patrionism Perverted’ are banned in Armenia. It is also a fact that all the copies of the book of Hovannes Katchaznouni, in all languages were collected from the libraries in Europe by Dashnags. The book is included in the catalogues but no copies can be found in the racks.

Yes, they can ban the books of the makers of their history, they can buy politicians by their votes and pass resolutions from parliaments, but they can never ban scholar thought and silent the historians of the world!

We are inspired by the factual discussion and the wealth of information that has been presented by so many of you here.

To all those who want to join the efforts of Turkish-Americans and many others in bringing truth and reconciliation to this issue, please contact us at

turksfortruth@gmail.com

Armenian misdeeds, continued

October 12, 1958: Sam Noubarian goes to a German restaurant, enjoys his meal, and therefore immediately ratified all Nazi crimes

September 9, 1963; Myrtle Hovakimian gets a speeding ticket in Brea, obviously probing the defenses of the USA-Turkish Alliance

February 28, 1976: In complete disregard of the feelings of all Moslems everywhere, at least 200,000 Armenians callously go to a Christian Church to pray.

June 19, 2003: Tom Tufenkjian openly eats Turkish taffy without shame

S E C R E T M E M O

From Ergun to Hahn

As I have tried patiently to explain to you, one of the first orders of business we expect from you on election to Congress, is to do something about the Turkey crisis.

The one that comes in November, I mean.

For centuries, the American Crusaders (er, Christians) have enagaged in the slaughter of poultry they insist on calling "Turkeys", as if to mock the magnificence of the Ottoman Empire and all Turks. We have documentary proof from the Ottoman Archives that this was all the brainchild of a 16th Century nobleman from Wales, who in fact, I am sorry to say, was, wait for it.....Armenian. Thus,. the supposed national day of thanks in the US is really a vicious stab in the back engineered by Armenians.

We want federal legislation renaming the birds "helpless victims of Armenian aggression and dishonesty" so that every time my wife and I go to Whole Foods, we will make the checkers there say that lovely phrase.

Anything less would be racist.

I am sure you agree. After all, Koreans are actually Turks from the Eastern provinces.

'jda' has outperformed comedy. There seems to be no end to insulting or hating Turkish nation among Armenians.

GUENTER LEWY PROVED THERE IS NO GENOCIDE

Part 2 of 3

Dr. Gwynne Dyer put it best in 1976:

“… The deafening drumbeat of the propaganda, and the sheer lack of sophistication in argument which comes from preaching decade after decade to a convinced and emotionally committed audience, are the major handicaps of Armenian historiography of the diaspora today…”

The Armenians have defined the Turkish-Armenian conflict one way, their way, for 93 years. Even this could be understood within the context of ethnic and/or religious fanaticism. After all, it is a free country, you can believe whatever you want, even that the world is flat.

Problem arises when the Armenians demand their claims be declared as settled history with zero tolerance for the other side of the story, coming from Turks and non-Turks alike. The problem turns into a criminal conduct when these demands turn to violence, as in Armenian terrorism that claimed 70+ innocent lives (three right here in Southern California) since 1973, aimed at imposing the Armenian will on others.

Whether the Armenian claims of genocide are recognized by this country or that, does not change the fact that Armenians engineered, provoked, and waged a civil war within a world war; took up arms against their own government; killed their Muslim/Turkish neighbors; joined the invading enemy armies; demanded territories where they were a minority to create Greater Armenia; and did all that with the help of active allies (Russia, Britain, France), passive allies (U.S. diplomats, Protestant missionaries, the New York Times) and others.

We summarize these as the 6 T's of the Turkish-Armenian conflict:
1- Tumult (Armenian taking up arms against their own government,)
2- Terrorism (by Dashnaks, Hunchaks, and other Armenian terrorist organizatiuons,)
3- Treason (Armenians joining the invading enemy armies)
4- Territorial demands (where Armenians were a minority)
5- Turkish suffering (at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries and terrorists; number exceeds half a million Muslims, mostly Turks)
6-Tereset (temporary resettlement triggered by the above 5 T's and misrepresented by Armenians as genocide.)

Ergun KIRLIKOVALI

Son Of Turkish Survivors From Both Maternal And Paternal Sides

www.turkla.com

Ergun: Stop posting here and join the fun over here! Just one question, though: if I'm "anti-Turkish" as you and your pals claim, why would I give a glowing review to Doner G in Anaheim?

This is a fascinating article on Heath Lowry and his part in the denial of the Armenian Genocide:

http://users.ids.net/~gregan/ethics.html

Like Lowry, the "scholars" that support the Turkish thesis against the Armenian Genocide base their views/information on Turkish falsities. Today, as the truth gradually comes to light (within Turkey), based on the overwhelming evidence from third-party nations (such as Germany, Sweden, etc.), more and more Turkish intellectuals are rejecting the national Turkish position on the Armenian Genocide. It is quite clear, though, that there remain human wastes (such as Kirlikovali) that are desperate in their attempts to blur the truth about the Armenian Genocide.

Another colorful character that supported the Turkish thesis was the late Stanford Shaw, a so-called scholar that, contrary to the evidence, made it seem as though the "deportation" marches (for the Armenians) were a pleasant time for all. It's no coincidence that he studied with Bernard Lewis (a scholar that, in 1962, had referred to the Armenian Genocide as a "holocaust," until his soul, too, was purchased by Turkey).

The fact is that the Armenian Genocide happened. The Turkish government knows this to be true. The position that people of Kirlikovali and Lowry's ilk take against the Armenian Genocide is based on Turkish fabrications, distortions, and lies, all intended to prevent the inevitable: Reparations (such as the return of historic Armenian lands and financial recompenses). Recognition signals the beginning of reparations.

But there is one particular point that is more troubling to the Turkish people and state than the notion of reparations, a fact that brings out the worst in most Turks (as you have witnessed in this simple format; as opposed to the extreme form, such as the case of Hrant Dink; research the latter, if you aren't familiar with that story, and you'll know what I mean), and that is the fact that, by recognizing the historical reality of the Armenian Genocide, Turkey will forever place itself in the company of Adolf Hitler. This is a discomfiting concept for the Turkish people, and it should be. But the truth is the truth. It's undeniable.

IT IS OFFICIAL: TANER AKCAM IS PAID BY ARMENIANS

Part 2 of 6

Where does Akcam, sociologist-playing-historian-on-Armenian-payroll, get the audacity, for lack of a better word, to belittle, dismiss, or ignore the massive body of meticulous data concerning the Turkish-Armenian conflict in 19th and 20th Centuries, represented by the magnificent men and women partially listed above?

OK, maybe Akcam could not have possibly critically read in 10-15 years all those sources listed as references in his many books, but isn’t it at least possible that he perhaps critically read the Armenian-written ones? Well, the answer is still no because even that would probably take about a lifetime. How can anyone pack a lifetime in 10-15 years?

If Akcam claims he is a fast reader and he has read the Armenian-written books in the last 10-15 years—which is humanly not possible unless Akcam has also invented 25-hour-days—could that be considered objective, scholarly, or fair? Reading only one side, that is? If one considers Akcam’s incredibly one-sided stand on the “alleged” Armenian genocide issue, this theory of Akcam’s super-fast book reading and writing capabilities might actually make sense (just kidding.)

Or could it be that Akcam perhaps just “skimmed” those books, not exactly critically read them? If this is the case, then this might explain Akcam’s (and Dadrian’s) many errors, omission, misinterpretations, and outright distortions.

We know Akcam’s English is poor by college standards and his Ottoman-Turkish is insufficient to properly interpret the many nuances contained in the Ottoman archives. But if his German is like his English or his Ottoman-Turkish, then I would not bet on the accuracy of Akcam’s research, would you? Be honest, now, would you?

All this boils down to this: what sources does Akcam really read and how much does he understand when he reads them?
Judging by his blind prejudice against scholarly Turkish objections to official Armenian propaganda claiming genocide, I have serious doubts about his capability to conduct proper research in Ottoman or even English archives. This is what I think. I also respect the opinions of those who may disagree with me on this if they can substantiate their belief with non-partisan, verifiable facts.

I am willing to change my opinion if properly convinced. Which brings us to Dadrian’s Zoryan Institute, a notoriously anti-Turkish propaganda house.

Isn’t it possible that Dadrian, Akcam’s mentor by Akcam’s own admission, may have told him way back when not to worry about doing research or anything as it is mostly done for him?

And that "they" could arrange the publishing of all that “research” under Akcam’s name? And that all Akcam has to do is “know enough to be dangerous”, as the saying goes? This would not exactly be illegal, I agree, just distasteful and unscholarly, would you agree?

The similarities between Dadrian’s and Akcams’s works fuel this nagging suspicion of mine. But, then again, what do I know? Mine is just an opinion, a guess, a hunch. ..
How can Akcam, sociologist-on-Armenian-payroll-playing-historian, possibly have enough time in his busy schedule of dog-and-pony shows to do critical reading, writing, researching, fact-checking, editing, debating, lecturing, teaching and more? Does he have a large staff? (A UM research assistant with a large staff? Not very likely.)

IT IS OFFICIAL: TANER AKCAM IS PAID BY ARMENIANS

Part 4 of 6

I agree, years pass and people change and we can forgive. But for that to happen, Akcam has to come clean first and issue a public apology saying he is sorry for his “illegal and/or terrorist acts of 1970s in Turkey” and that he is a changed man now.

If he issues such a comprehensive public apology and means it, then there is no reason why I, too, should not forgive him.

But hiding his past, misrepresenting his current title, discrimnating against scholars and/or lay prople who oppose the official Armenian position on the alleged genocide, not disclosing his conflict of interest which can be interpreted as taking Armenian money to promote Armenian views, and deliberately defaming his (and my) Turkish heritage to appease his Armenian bosses is no way to seek and receive forgiveness. )

Any “Yes” answer above would raise eyebrows at the INS and perhaps even cause his application to be rejected. These are my sincere thoughts, of course, and I do not have rock-solid evidence about his answers to INS questions.

That is why I am asking Akcam to provide that information here for the benefit of the public. All of the above shady deals and questions lead me to harbor a sneaking suspicion that perhaps some of his sponsors might have “pulled an Andonian” on the INS…

By totally ignoring Akcam’s criminal past in Turkey, that is, and basing Akcam's green card application on Akcam’s German papers only which presumably do not mention Akcam’s arrest, conviction, imprisonment, and escape from prison in Turkey in 1970s.

I wonder how Akcam responded to the three INS questions above. At a time when America is involved in a bloody global war against terrorism, don’t you think a former terrorist—whether benefited from a general amnesty in Turkey later on to clear his name in Turkey, or not—should come clean before he is allowed to permanently live in the U.S.?

Where is the remorse?

Where is the apology?

What kind of deals are being made behind closed doors to “launder Akcam’s dirty past”?

Don’t I have a right to know, as alaw-abiding, hard-working, tax-paying American?

I want to know if any falsifications were made in the INS application forms, just like those infamous Andonian- fabricated-Talat-telegrams, or that bogus Hitler quote alegedly on Armenians, or that fraudulent use of Verashagin’s painting of skulls allegedly depicting an alleged genocide, or that “doctored” photo of Ataturk where a dog happily lying at his feet was replaced with some gory, severed “Armenian” heads, and many more instances of pure fraudulence… The tricks in the “Andonian culture” never end. Could Akcam’s INS application be the latest?

To be fair to Akcam, though, I declare here that I shall allow him access to my column at www.turkla.com by sharing any verifiable and reliable evidence with which he will provide me, in efforts to allay my serious fears, suspicions, and concerns listed above.

And if he really did answer “Yes” to all those INS questions, and INS still awarded him with a green car, then I promise to issue a public apology. My intention is not to attack him but only to expose the hypocrisy.
It is established on firm grounds, therefore, that a) Akcam is actually paid by the Armenians (which makes him an Armenian-agent) , and b) Akcam has been employed by the UM as a research associate, not as associate professor.

After this revelation, it seems, the AFATH community quickly whisked him to a new (safer?) job at Clark University Boston where he may be getting a salary from the CU. I still have not found time to write to CU President to ask a few questions in the interest of the public:

IT IS OFFICIAL: TANER AKCAM IS PAID BY ARMENIANS

Part 6 of 6

Is honorarium for a lecture a bribe? Or is it illegal? Aren’t Armenians also paying honorariums to Akcam and those pro-Armenian-non-historians called genocide scholars?

If considered an agent-maker, then all honorariums and other payments should be banned by the universities coast-to-coast.
And what about the book deals?

Book signing tours?

Hotel, food, travel, event payments?

Are they all agent-makers?

If they are, then they should not be allowed in the universities and colleges, either. But we all know that all universities and colleges do it and I find nothing wrong with them.

So why did the Armenians attack those scholars who may or may not have received payments from Turkish sources? Why did Armenians pay Akcam if it was so wrong to pay a scholar for his services or employment?

Some of those professors who successfully refuted Armenian allegations of genocide were so frustrated by these Armenian attempts to smear them, that most chose silence, while some changed fields of interest or retired.

Please note that when these were happening, one leading Armenian professor was acting as advisor to Armenia’s president and his son served Armenia’s foreign minister. Can you believe this arrogant double standard?

On the one hand, advising a Turkish ambassador is enough to be labeled a foreign agent, on the other, advising to an Armenian president or serving as Armenian foreign minister is not. This is Armenian culture of justice and fairness for you. Need I say more?

What the Armenian lobby seems to forget that popular American saying: “What goes around, comes around.” Or how about this one: “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”

If Armenians viciously attack legitimate professors for refuting genocide claims by falsely accusing them of being paid-Turkish-agents, the Armenians must expect others to return the favor one day by exposing the Armenians’ “poster boy”.

Here is the plain truth: I really, truly, don’t care who pays whom for what as long as it is above board, the payee does not twist the facts to appease the payer, and the final product of such relationship is the truth, not manipulations. Is that fair enough?

If the Armenians didn’t make such a big stink about money, maybe I would let Akcam go with his seemingly secret deal with the Armenians. Akcam would have done well to have come clean about the Armenian money supporting Akcam’s lifestyle BEFORE Akcam's money dealings with the Armenians were exposed. It is too late now. The jig is up. AKCAM BLEW IT!

Akcam always tried very hard to convey this image to his unsuspecting audiences of an impeccable scholar with honest, genuine research who can even defy his own country and people of heritage, in the name of truth, not money—although his research looked awfully similar to Dadrian’s work who happens to be the director of Zoryan Institute who pays a part of Akcam’s salary. Go figure.

Aren’t terrible smells coming out of this relationship where the employee passionately promotes the message of his boss? I don’t know about you, but in my opinion, this level of intrigue should not be acceptable in honest scholarship. It may be legal, but I just don’t find it honest. And I don’t like it. Do you?

Is it an acceptable conduct for any scholar to represent himself as being employed by a major university as a an associate professor when, in fact, he is employed as a “research associate”? Is it trutful? Is it honest? Is it ethical?

The high and mighty associate professor, it seems, turns out to be no more than a research associate paid by the very Armenians whose tune Akcam plays. How about that?

What I don’t understand is why Akcam wanted to keep this case of conflict of interest from his unsuspecting audiences all these years. After all, does any reasonable person think that Akcam would still be paid by the Armenians if Akcam dared to dispute the OFFICIAL ARMENIAN HISTORY on the alleged genocide?

After all, he who pays the piper calls the tune, right?

More on genocide denial (as it pertains to the Armenian case) and a bit about Guenter Lewy:

(Part 1 of 2)

State of Denial
Turkey Spends Millions to Cover Up Armenian Genocide
By David Holthouse

Intelligence Report
Summer 2008

Early this year, the Toronto District School Board voted to require all public high school students in Canada's largest city to complete a new course titled "Genocide: Historical and Contemporary Implications." It includes a unit on the Armenian genocide, in which more than a million Armenians perished in a methodical and premeditated scheme of annihilation orchestrated by the rulers of Turkey during and just after World War I.

The school board members each soon received a letter from Guenter Lewy, a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts, rebuking them for classifying the Armenian genocide in the same category as the Holocaust. "The tragic fate of the Armenian community during World War I," Lewy wrote, is best understood as "a badly mismanaged war-time security measure," rather than a carefully plotted genocide.

Lewy is one of the most active members of a network of American scholars, influence peddlers and website operators, financed by hundreds of thousands of dollars each year from the government of Turkey, who promote the denial of the Armenian genocide — a network so influential that it was able last fall to defy both historical truth and enormous political pressure to convince America's lawmakers and even its president to reverse long-held policy positions.

Lewy makes similar revisionist claims in his 2005 book The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey: A Disputed Genocide and in frequent lectures at university campuses across the country. Speaking at Harvard University in March 2007, he chalked up the ghastly Armenian death toll to "bungling misrule," and stressed that "it is important to bear in mind the enormous difference between ineptness, even ineptness that had tragic consequences" and deliberate mass murder.

"Armenians call the calamitous events of 1915-1916 in the Ottoman Empire the first genocide of the twentieth century," he said. "Most Turks refer to this episode as war time relocation made necessary by the treasonous conduct of the Armenian minority. The debate on what actually happened has been going on for almost 100 years and shows no signs of resolution."

But it's not only Armenians calling the slaughter a genocide, and there is no real debate about its essential details, according to the vast majority of credible historians. Although Lewy's brand of genocide denial is subtler than that of Holocaust deniers who declare there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, it's no less an attempt to rewrite history.

"The overwhelming opinion of scholars who study genocide — hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades — is consistent," the International Association of Genocide Scholars stated in a 2005 letter to the Turkish government.

"The scholarly evidence reveals the following: On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens — an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years."

Double Killing
Despite this clear consensus of experts, Turkey exerts political leverage and spends millions of dollars in the United States to obfuscate the Armenian genocide, with alarming success even at the highest levels of government. Lobbyists on the Turkish payroll stymied a Congressional resolution commemorating the genocide last fall by convincing lawmakers to reverse their stated positions. Even President Bush flip-flopped.
Revisionist historians who conjure doubt about the Armenian genocide and are paid by the Turkish government provided the politicians with the intellectual cover they needed to claim they were refusing to dictate history rather than caving in to a foreign government's present-day interests.

"This all happened a long time ago, and I don't know if we can know whether it was a massacre or a genocide or what," said U.S. Rep. John Murtha (D-Penn.) after changing his vote.

"The last thing Congress should be doing is deciding the history of an empire [the Ottoman empire] that doesn't even exist any more," said President Bush.

But experts in genocide saw things quite differently.

"Denial is the final stage of genocide," says Gregory Stanton, president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. "It is a continuing attempt to destroy the victim group psychologically and culturally, to deny its members even the memory of the murders of their relatives. That is what the Turkish government today is doing to Armenians around the world."

Last year, the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity issued a letter condemning Armenian genocide denial that was signed by 53 Nobel laureates including Wiesel, the famous Holocaust survivor and political activist. Wiesel has repeatedly called Turkey's 90-year-old campaign to cover up the Armenian genocide a double killing, since it strives to kill the memory of the original atrocities.

He was hardly the first. As long ago as 1943, law professor Raphael Lemkin, who would later serve as an advisor to Nuremburg chief counsel Robert Jackson, coined the term "genocide" with the Armenians in mind.

Stanton, a former U.S. State Department official who drafted the United Nations Security Council resolutions that created the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, spoke this April at a United States Capitol ceremony honoring victims of the Armenian genocide — a ceremony held four months after the bill to commemorate the slaughter was shot down.

"The U.S. government should not be party to efforts to kill the memory of a historical fact as profound and important as the genocide of the Armenians, which Hitler used as an example in his plan for the Holocaust," Stanton said before an audience that included three survivors of the Armenian genocide and more than 100 representatives and senators.

Infiltrating the Academy
Efforts to kill the memory of the Armenian genocide began while carrion birds were still picking over corpses in their desert boneyards, with Turkey issuing a first official statement assuring the world at large that no atrocities had occurred. Turkey's primary strategy for denying the Armenian genocide since then has shifted from blanket denial to disputing the death toll to blaming the massacres on Kurdish bandits and a few rogue officials to claiming the Armenians who died were enemy combatants in a civil war.

Turkey began intervening in the U.S. on behalf of denying the genocide in the 1930s, when Turkish leaders convinced the U.S. State Department to prevent MGM studios from making a movie based on the book The Forty Days of the Musa Dagh because it depicted aspects of the Armenian genocide.

In 1982, the government of Turkey donated $3 million to create the Institute for Turkish Studies, a nonprofit organization housed at Georgetown University that pushes a pro-Turkey agenda, including denial of the Armenian genocide. Three years later, in 1985, Turkey bought full-page advertisements in The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Washington Times to publish a letter questioning the Armenian genocide that was signed by 69 American scholars. All 69 had received funding that year from the Institute for Turkish Studies or another of Turkey's surrogates like the Ankara Chamber of Commerce, a quasi-governmental agency in Turkey's capital city.

The Institute for Turkish Studies has since received sizable donations from American defense contractors that sell arms to Turkey, including General Dynamics and Westinghouse. Turkey continues to provide an annual subsidy to support the institute. In 2006, the most recent year for which tax records are available, the institute awarded $85,000 in grants to scholars. Its chairman is the current Turkish ambassador to the U.S., Nabi Sensoy.

The first unassailable evidence of the extent of the Armenian genocide denial industry's reach in academic circles arrived in 1990 in an envelope addressed to Robert Jay Lifton, a professor of psychology and psychiatry at the City University of New York's Graduate Center and John Jay College. It contained a letter signed by Nuzhet Kandemir, who was then Turkey's ambassador to the United States, protesting Lifton's inclusion of several passing references to the Armenian genocide in his prize-winning book The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide.

"It is particularly disturbing to see a major scholar on the holocaust, a tragedy whose enormity and barbarity must never be forgotten, so careless in his references to a field outside his own area of expertise," Kandemir wrote. "To compare a tragic civil war perpetrated by misguided Armenian nationalists, and the human suffering it wrought on both Muslim and Christian populations, with the horrors of a premeditated attempt to systematically eradicate a people is, to anyone familiar with the history in question, simply ludicrous."

There was nothing out of the ordinary about Kandemir's letter. Academics who write about the Armenian genocide were then and still are routinely castigated by Turkish authorities.

What Lifton found intriguing, however, was a second letter in the envelope, which the Turkish ambassador had included quite by accident. It was a memo to Kandemir from Near East historian Heath Lowry, in which Lowry provided Kandemir with a point-by-point cheat sheet on how to attack Lifton's book, which Lowry chummily referred to as "our problem."

Lowry at the time was the founding director of the Institute for Turkish Studies. He resigned that position in 1996 when he was selected from a field of 20 candidates to fill the Ataturk Chair of Turkish Studies at Princeton University, a new position in the Near Eastern Studies department that was created with a $750,000 matching grant from the government of Turkey.

Prior to joining the Princeton faculty, Lowry had never held a full-time teaching position and had not published a single work of scholarship through a major publishing house. As a result of that and of what The Boston Globe described in 1995 as his work as "a long-time lobbyist for the Turkish government," his appointment sparked a firestorm of controversy. A protest group called Princeton Alumni for Credibility published a petition decrying Lowry's appointment that was signed by more than 80 leading scholars and writers, including Kurt Vonnegut, Arthur Miller, Cornel West, Joyce Carol Oates and many historians and experts in genocide.

Peter Balakian, the director of Colgate University's Center for the Study of Ethics and World Societies and the author of The Burning Tigris: The Armenian Genocide and America's Response, called Lowry "a propagandist for a foreign government."

Speaking at a 2005 symposium at Princeton commemorating the 90th anniversary of the Armenian genocide, Balakian posed a rhetorical question: "Would a university want someone who worked with a neo-Nazi group to cover up the Holocaust on their faculty?"

The relationship of Turkey to U.S. scholars promoting Armenian genocide denial is similar to that of the oil industry to fringe climatologists who dispute the reality of global warming. The cause and effect relationship is murky. It's impossible to know for sure if they're making the claims to get the money or getting the money because they make the claims. And many of those who receive money from the Institute of Turkish Studies do little or nothing to support the government's version of what happened to its Armenian minority.

But a number of them certainly seem to, including Justin A. McCarthy, a professor of history at the University of Louisville. McCarthy claims that death tolls attributed to what he calls "this imaginary Turkish plan" are grossly exaggerated and resulted from justifiable wartime self-defense actions triggered by traitorous Armenians conspiring with Turkey's enemies.

McCarthy also points out that Armenians massacred Turks on at least one occasion before the "so-called Armenian genocide." In other words, they had it coming. "The question of who started the conflicts is important, both historically and morally important," McCarthy declared in a 2005 speech before the Turkish Grand National Assembly. "In more than 100 years of warfare, Turks and Armenians killed each other. The question of who began the killing must be understood, because it is seldom justifiable to be the aggressor, but is always justifiable to defend yourself."

He continued: "If those who defend themselves go beyond defense and exact revenge, as always happens in war, they should be identified and criticized. But those who should be most blamed are those who began the wars, those who committed the first evil deeds, and those who caused the bloodshed. Those who began the conflict were the Armenian nationalists, the Armenian revolutionaries. The guilt is on their heads."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=935

GUENTER LEWY SUES SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER AND DAVID HOLTHOUSE

Not a day passes when someone from the AFATH community (Armenian Falsifiers and Turks-Haters) doesn’t demonize Turks, Turkey, Turkish-Americans and/or friends of Turkey (today included.)

Forgetting that there are no substantiations by historical evidence for their political claims other than hearsay, forgeries, and partisan interpretations of wartime human suffering and ignoring that there are no court verdicts by competent tribunals to support their accusations, these genocide lynch mobs arrogantly resort to insults, slanders, and threats. They think they are protected under freedom of expression, but the question begs to be asked:

Are obvious insults, deliberate slanders, malicious threats, and/or other similar hate speech protected under the U.S. constitution?

Gregory Lisby, a communications professor at Georgia State University, who has tracked criminal libel prosecutions and found 17 states that had not updated laws from English common law. His research revealed that that criminal libel cases have dropped but he says the Internet could reverse that. His words:

"More and more people view the online world as a free-rant place…They think it's par for the course, but they're setting themselves up for lawsuits or prosecution”

(Source: “Colorado man faces criminal charge in libel case”, by Times Staff writer Nicholas Riccardi, Los Angels Times, December 4, 2008)

I know several of these cyber-thugs, myself, who insult me personally, attack me without even knowing me, purely based on my ethnic heritage and the views I hold of my own family’s history. And these insults, slanders, and threats come to me not in just one or two postings, but in majority if not all of postings. I reserve my right to defend myself against these cyber-thugs.

Last October and November, I was attacked in this blog for organizing a fund-raiser for a political candidate out of my district.

Whereas I had figured, if one businessman (Daryl Issa) can spend his own money and succeed in recalling a sitting California Governor (Gray Davis), then why cannot another one (i.e. yours truly) unseat a sitting congressman (Adam Schiff) by supporting his opponent?

Do I need to explain myself to anyone what politician, when, and why I should support?
Or do I need to get permission from my political adversaries, bloggers, and others to do so?

Isn’t fundraising one of the most cherished ways of participating in the political process? Isn’t such participation encouraged, revered, and protected in the U.S. constitution?

Why the strange efforts to show this American practice as something clandestine, dangerous, vile, or otherwise undesirable?
Isn’t anti-Turkish bias, bigotry and hatred as well as ethnic and religious discrimination clearly at work here?

Hold those thoughts as I would like to bring to your attention the following press release I received a while ago. Let’s read:

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PRESS RELEASE

By Turkish Coalition of America
Washington, DC, December 3, 2008

On November 17, 2008 Professor Guenter Lewy filed a defamation suit against the Southern Poverty Law Center, Inc., and writer-editor David Holthouse in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, supported by the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund. TALDF seeks to preserve and promote open discourse about issues significant for Turkish Americans, including the characterization of the events bearing on the World War I deaths of Ottoman Muslims and Armenians.

Among other works, Professor Lewy is author of The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey: A Disputed Genocide (University of Utah Press, 2005), which concludes that the evidence to support the popular allegation of genocide in the Armenian case is inconclusive.

The defamation claims pivot on twin false assertions made by Defendant Holthouse in an article published in the Summer 2008 issue of Intelligence Report entitled, “State of Denial: Turkey Entices U.S. Scholars, Law Makers to Cover Up Armenian Genocide.”

The first was the false statement that Professor Lewy was on the payroll of the Government of Turkey in exchange for compromising his scholastic integrity in disputing the Armenian allegation of genocide.

The second was that Professor Lewy deceived his readers or audiences by failing to disclose the money he had received from the Government of Turkey to shape his view of the Armenian claim.

The false statements also insinuated that Professor Lewy had violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act by failing to register with the Department of Justice as a mouthpiece for the Government of Turkey.

Professor Lewy is seeking damages to clear his good name and to send a message that sham accusations of being on the take is not an acceptable substitute for reasoned and civil debate over genuine historical controversies.

The climate of intimidation, coercion and worse that confronts anyone who quarrels with the Armenian view of the events of 1915 in the Ottoman Empire must end.

Professor Lewy is being represented by attorneys Bruce Fein and David Saltzman on behalf of the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund.

***

Part 2 of 5

4) HOLOCAUST IS PROVEN BY NUREMBERG; WHERE IS THE COMPETENT TRIBUNAL “PROVING” ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?

After all, did Jews resort to armed revolts, terrorism, and treason, in order to establish a Jewish state on German soil?

Did Jews establish Jewish armies armed with British, French, and Russian weapons to kill half a million German citizens?

Did Jews receive for nearly a century money, education, healthcare, divisive and polarizing teachings, money and more from missionaries from Europe America, all hell bent on dividing and eliminating Germany?

Did Jews join the invading enemies of Germany and slaughter their German neighbors while Jews were wearing invaders’ uniforms?

Of course, not.

But Armenian committed all that and more heinous crimes in the Ottoman Empire. Armenian used propaganda, agitation, terror, revolts, and treason, in that order, from 1890 to 1920.

How can Armenian Tereset (temporary resettlement) caused by Armenian war crimes and provocations be held in the same esteem as with the undisputed, court-proven, unique Jewish Holocaust?

Isn’t that an insult to the silent memory of six million Jews who were exterminated just for being Jews?

What Armenians and their ethocidal [1] sympathizers are trying to attempt here is “credibility by association.” They think if they can manage to have the “proven Holocaust” uttered in the same breath with the “bogus Genocide”, then the obvious inference shall be that genocide must be true because we know Holocaust is. But Armenians are wrong in this respect as the fair-minded, honest truth-seekers are on to the Armenians tricks.

5) IF PROF. LEWY FINANCED BY TURKS, IS HOLTHOUSE THEN FINANCED BY ARMENIANS?

Holthouse labels Lewy “… one of the most active members of a network of American scholars, influence peddlers and website operators, financed by hundreds of thousands of dollars each year from the government of Turkey, who promote the denial of the Armenian genocide…”

It seems fair, therefore, to ask Holthouse these questions: Has Holthouse ever received money, directly or indirectly, from sources that can be considered Armenian or Armenian-related?

Did Holthouse receive from the Armenians, directly or indirectly, any monies in the form of expenses, honoraries, fees, campaign funds, gifts, awards, book advances, book sales, jobs, projects, service or product contracts, funding for a documentary, full- feature, or other films, income from testimonies, promotions, or other benefits that can have monetary and/or goodwill value?

Another scholar defending the deceptive and exaggerated Armenian claims of genocide, just like Holthouse, was later exposed to be a paid Armenian agent (please see “ It is Official: Taner Akcam Is Paid By Armenians” by clicking on http://turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=1284&yid=4 .) I wrote to the University of Minnesota, Akcam’s employer, and heard from UM’s legal counsel that Akcam was indeed paid by Zoryan Institute (a notoriously anti-Turkish propaganda house) and Cafesjian Foundation.

ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI

Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side

www.turkla.com

[1] Ethocide: a term coined by Ergun Kirlikovali in 2003 to describe bogus genocide claims; a brief definition of which is: “ Systematic extermination of ethics via malicious mass deception and propaganda for political and other benefits. “

Part 4 of 5

8) “UNARMED ARMENIAN” IS AN OXYMORON

Please see the photos of armed Armenian bands which later coalesced into a 150,000 men Armenian army: http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/album/index.html

9) ARMENIAN LOSSES INFLATED ; TURKISH LOSSES IGNORED

“…More than a million Armenians were exterminated…” asserts the writer. In actual fact, none were “exterminated”, lots of people, both Muslim and Armenian, however, did perish. Some died of war, regular and irregular, but more died of starvation and epidemics.

Ottoman war effort reduced the harvest and British naval blockade during war prevented the emergency food supplies, sent by overseas Ottoman provinces and fellow Muslim communities, from reaching the mainland. More Muslims than Armenians died. But because of religious bias, Muslim (mostly Turkish) victims of starvation, epidemics, and war are cruelly dismissed.

10) WHY THE ARMENIANS REALLY LEFT AFTER COMING BACK TO TURKEY

“… The rest of the Armenian population fled into permanent exile…” Azerbaijanis from 192 to present are the one who fled into exile under Armenian guns of today. Honest researcher will note that most Armenians survived the Tereset (temporary resettlement.)

Some of those Armenian did come back to their homes but left in panic—after France ended its occupation of Southeastern Anatolia and Bolshevik Russia vacated the Northeast Anatolia—because Armenians had treated the Muslim population so evilly that they were fearful of Muslim retaliation once the French and Russians were gone. That is from where today’s Armenian communities of the U.S., Canada, France, Lebanon, and other places originated.

11) GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS IGNORE “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”:

While some amongst us may be forgiven for taking the blatant and ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and believing Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so often, it is difficult and painful for someone like me, the son of Turkish survivors on both maternal and paternal sides, of yet untold, unfairly dismissed, or prejudicially ignored massacres of Turks during the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 (which preceded the World War I of 1914-18 and the Turkish Independence War of 1919-1922.)

These seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922 brought wide-spread death and destruction to Ottoman Muslims as well as others. Those nameless, faceless victims are killed for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of Armenian genocide.

Allegations of Armenian genocide are racist and dishonest history. They are racist because they ignore the Turkish dead: about 3 million during WWI; around half a million of them at the hands of Armenian nationalists. By ignoring the suffering of one side completely, any war, including the American civil war, may be made to look like a genocide.

And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply dismiss “The Six T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict”:

ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI

Son of Turkish Survivors from Both Maternal & Paternal Side

www.turkla.com

Ergun,

Obviously, you ignored the IAGS letter, as it trounces Turkish claims. And Taner Akcam is nothing in the way that he is described by Turkey. You only wish you were right about him. But the history of Turkey (including the O.E.) is replete with liars and their lies (among other things), so they will continue in that manner and cast groundless aspersions against Dr. Akcam.

Note the following excerpt (from the IAGS letter):

We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called “scholars” work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide. In preventing a conference on the Armenian Genocide from taking place at Bogacizi University in Istanbul on May 25, your government revealed its aversion to academic and intellectual freedom—a fundamental condition of democratic society.

- End of excerpt.

Is your blood boiling, Ergun, for the fact that no one believes your lies as being anything other than lies?

The truth is alien to your ilk.

More about Lewy:

Lying About History
By Mark Potok, Editor

Intelligence Report
Summer 2008


Ten days before the 1939 invasion of Poland that launched World War II, Adolf Hitler reassured a conference of Nazi military leaders that even the complete destruction of the Polish people would not tar the Third Reich for long.

"Genghis Kahn led millions of women and children to slaughter — with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state," the führer told his men. And "[w]ho, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

Who, indeed?

Not the Turkish government, which denies a plethora of evidence and eyewitness accounts that show that as many as 1.5 million Armenians were the victims of a genocide orchestrated by leaders of the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1918. On the contrary, defying the weight of modern scholarship, Turkey regularly prosecutes intellectuals who suggest there was a genocide.

And not the likes of Guenter Lewy, a right-wing professor emeritus at the University of Massachusetts who told a Harvard University audience this March that the Young Turk government of the time may have been guilty of "corruption" and "bungling misrule" — but not genocide. Lewy has made a career out of justifying American conduct in Vietnam and toward American Indians. As recounted in this issue of the Intelligence Report, he, along with a network of other prominent American academics, is working now to revise Turkish history, too.

Despite the efforts of people like Lewy — many of them funded by the Turkish government — the facts of the Armenian genocide are quite well known. The ruling party of the day massacred intellectuals, forced hundreds of thousands of Armenians into what amounted to death marches, and systematically despoiled the victims of their property. Professor Raphael Lemkin coined the word "genocide" in 1943 with the Armenian slaughter in mind. In 2005, the International Association of Genocide Scholars wrote the Turkish foreign minister to remind him that the massacre of Christian Armenians was indeed "a systematic genocide."

The claims of the Turkish government and the scholars who seem bent on supporting it are enough to make one ill. But they are not without company.

Almost from the day World War II ended, Nazi sympathizers began working to write the history of the Holocaust out of the cataclysm — to deny the existence of the gas chambers, of the Einsatzgruppen that shot hundreds of thousands of Jews to death, of any knowledge of the mass murder by Hitler. Yes, there was corruption, even "bungling misrule," but Hitler, they say, never planned a genocide.

Similarly, almost immediately after the American Civil War concluded in 1865, Alexander Stephens, former vice president of the Confederacy, wrote a history that elided slavery as the primary cause of the conflict, substituting in its place noble Southern attempts to preserve Christianity and the Constitution. In the 140-plus years since, literally hundreds of racist writers have parroted those claims; today, many neo-Confederates will even argue slavery was a good thing for Africans.

Aside from blind, brute nationalistic pride, what is the point of all this lying about history? Emory University Jewish and Holocaust Studies Professor Deborah Lipstadt put it well in her 1993 book Denying the Holocaust: "Denial aims to reshape history to rehabilitate the persecutors and demonize the victims."

That is true across the board. Some semi-official Turkish narratives now claim, in effect, that the Armenians actually carried out genocidal attacks on the Turks. Neo-Nazis and their scholarly enablers say that "the Jews" manufactured tall tales of the Holocaust in order to extort money and other concessions from postwar Germany. Neo-Confederates like Doug Wilson, a far-right pastor in Moscow, Idaho, tell their listeners with a straight face that the Civil War was nothing less than a defense of righteous Christian civilization and that blacks really didn't mind slavery.

These lies all serve current agendas — to demonize and minimize the historical claims of Armenians, Jews, and African Americans. That is why, at the end of her book, Lipstadt called on scholars to act: "We must do so in order to expose falsehood and hate. We will remain ever vigilant so that the most precious tools of our trade and our society — truth and reason — can prevail. The still, small voices of millions cry out to us from the ground demanding that we do no less."

Intelligence Report Wins Award
This April, the Intelligence Report was honored with a "special recognition" award for its 2007 reporting by the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The award, presented in a televised ceremony held in Hollywood, Fla., said the Report's work "reinforces the reality that no one is equal until we are all equal."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=933&printable=1

No, it is just a google feature. Word-matching-technique based marketing.

In other words, the stupid google program thinks, based on the word Armenian used so often, that armenian dating site would sell well at Turkish Forum. We complained to google and they are trying to solve it.

So much for robots running our lives.

Sorry for the false alarm, whatever your name is...

It would be better if Armenians filed a complaint with Google, too, about this stupid dating service being slapped on every website that uses the term "Armenian".

It is a bit insulting to Turks, especially, given the bogus genocide charges.

At least two other ones were for a hotel (hotelmeg.com) and hyedating service, which were placed, of all places, into Turkish Forum site (www.turkishforum.com).

We immdeiately protested and Google have removed them by matching their IPI address with that of TF. In other words, this solution is onlt for TF, not for all sites.

Why am I telling you all these things?

I am not your cyber-sitter; go figure out your own misdeeds yourself.

All I ask is that please keep your tasteless products and services to yourselves and kindly stop causing them to somehow appear on Turkish sites.

Is that so hard to do?

The cyber-stalker is chasing me here now. I find this amusing because he feels he must react to everything I write. That' reminds me of the word obsession.

He is not really that courageous, because he writes everywhere with anonymously, behind the safety of made up names.

What I find amusing is that sometimes he will write a dozen short messages within a span of a few minutes, each under a different made up name, to give the impression that "many Armenians" are attacking me.

Can you appreaciate how silly and childish that is?

I really don't care what he or other falsifiers and turk-haters write. I just made a pldege to ask one or more questions about the Turkish-Armenian conflict to open-minded truth-seekers, each time a member of the AFATH community (Armenian Falsifiers and Turk-Haters) posts a message. This way, I am punishing their falsifications, insults, slander, ridicule, intimidation, and even threats with more knowledge, more questions, more facts.

This way, my questions get asked and disinterested third parties get educated at the expense of Armenian falsifiers.

Each time they attacke, they s-i-n-k d-e-e-p-e-r a-n-d d - e - e - p e r !

(Isn't this fun?)

JD,

I agree with most of what you've stated, but disagree on a couple of points:

JD: 2. You betray a Middle Eastern male way of communicating, as do many Armenian males. There is not the slightest sympathy or softness for "the other" in your hundreds of communications.

Firstly, the Armenians are not Middle Eastern; Eastern European (with the emphasis on European): the presence of some Armenians in the Middle East is due to a long history of forced relocation. Now, for the second part, why should the Armenians have any sympathy for "the other"? "The other" consists of perpetrators of genocide and their defenders/apologists. The Armenians have endured many decades of antagonism by most of the descendants of the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide. Why should there be any sympathy towards the Turkish "other"? Based on your "as do many Armenian males" comment, that is the inferrence; and it is an insult to us.
Do you, honestly, believe that Turkey will recognize the historical factuality of the Armenian Genocide out of the goodness of its heart? Turkey will recognize the genocide because we (those collectively struggling for the truth, Armenians and non-Armenians) are forcing them. We are forcing them to accept the validity of the overwhelming evidence. If it were not for our struggle, our collective push for the truth, Turkey would get away with murder.
There is only one side that deserves any sympathy in this matter, and that is the Armenian side (in effect, the proponents of the truth). Just the same, an official recognition by Turkey, to the facts of the Armenian Genocide, isn't anything for which we should be thankful. Recognition and an apology are the least that Turkey could do.
So, as it pertains to the genocide, the Armenians don't need to have or express sympathy for "the other." We don't owe it to them and it doesn't make us less deserving of it. We've been through more than enough. We deserve sympathy (and a lot more) for having put up with 90-plus years of denial, 90-plus years of attempts to excuse the perpetrators and put the blame on us. Mr. Kirlikovali (with his apparent hatred of Armenians) represents one person out of the many millions that have, throughout the decades, attempted to characterize the Armenians as the victimizers.
Again, as it pertains to this case (based on the history of the Armenian Genocide and the decades of denial): No, I will not have any sympathy for "the other"; nor should anyone else in this struggle for the truth.

In response to the READER's comments above, I offer the following story of my own (no books, records, hear-say, my own grandmother's story)

My grandmother was born in Nevrekop, just outside of today's Selanik, Greece (she actually never knew the exact date because her enture family was dead before she was 6 years old). From what she could remember and was told by far relatives, her family was very wealthy. She lives in a large ranch with her siblings and parents. When the war broke out, her father brought her to Istanbul to her uncle so she could register for school, while he could go back to take care of the rest of the family. When he went back, he found his wife (my great grandmother) terminally ill. She died shortly. After six months, the word got back to my uncle that neither my great grandfather and my grandmother's siblings survived the Greek attacks in the area.

My grandmother was registered to a boarding elementary school at the age of 6. Having lost her entire family in less than a year, she spent the rest of childhood as a poor orphan. She grew up to be a teacher and travelled around Turkey for 39 years as a government worker, barely making ends meet. As a single mother, she raised my mother with extreme financial difficulties. I have great photographs and other notes/diaries revealing the times they experienced during the first part of 1900s. I was raised by them in a similar way, basically living off of my grandmother's limited retirement income. They could have lived an easy life with the wealth her parents created by their hard work, all that was taken away by the Greeks. Yet, throughout her entire life, I never heard a single bad word from my grandmother about the Greeks. In fact, one of their closest friends/neighbors, whose son was my best friend growing up, was a Greek Orthodox minority family living in Istanbul. She would tell me her stories, but never with hatred, retaliation or anger. I now realize that was a very honorable thing for them to do. They did realize that war was terrible and the only way to avoid it was to not hate but love, no matter what your ethnicity is. Despite their deep sufferings, they did not teach me to hate, or lie, like so many Armenians around the world seemed to do with their kids. They taught me to be honest and dignified, but most importantly, they taught me to trust and love.

You don't need any references to deny or support this story, as it is my own and it is true. When Ergun says "turkish suffering", I know exactly what he means by experience. Politics, personal hatred, dealings, interests, lies, misrepresentations will always be there. But the truth is always the same, and cannot be undone. And I know you and the rest of the Armenians know it as well as I do. You just need to look in the mirror and try to be honest to yourself.

Turks did not start the Balkanian war, nor did they start WW I. All they did was defend themselves and what is left of their homeland. And to everyone's surprise, espcially the British, Greeks, Italians, French, Russians and the ill willed (not all) Armenians, they survived. So many Armenians and Turks lived together in harmony, respect and peace for hundreds of years. This historic relationship cannot be damaged by a few bad seeds

Sarp E.

It should be clear by now to most open-minded truth-seekers, that the Turkish-Armenian history is nowhere near as “settled” as Armenian falsifiers let you believe.

Merely the fact that this debate continues this long (though only one side contributes ideas, facts, and figures, while the other only insults, slander, falsifications, distortions, intimidation, and even veiled threats) indicates that there is an enormous body of knowledge, the ottoman archives, a whole new other side, the Turkish side, at which have not yet been looked.

When that other side (my side) of the story is better known, then it will be obvious that what Armenians bill as genocide is a rebellious and treasonous civil war they engineered, provoked, waged, and failed with full support from allies and against the backdrop of World War One.

Take this quote from the Armenian archives, for example, straight from the horse’s mouth, The Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first prime minister of Armenia, a state that only lived for two years (1918-1920) before being gobbled up by the Soviet Union:

« At the beginning of the fall of 1914 when Turkey had not yet entered the war but had already been making preparations, Armenian revolutionary bands began to be formed in Transcaucasia with great enthusiasm and, with especially, much uproar. Contrary to the decision taken during their general meeting at Erzurum only a few weeks before, the A.R.F. had [actively participated] in the formation of the bands and their future military action against Turkey.

« In an undertaking of such gravity, fraught with most serious consequences, individual agents of the Transcaucasian A.R.F. acted against the wiIl of our superior authority, against the will of the General Meeting of the Party... In the fall of 1914 Armenian volunteer bands organized themselves and fought against the Turks because they could not refrain… from organizing and… fighting. This was (in) [sic.] an inevitable result of a psychology on which the Armenian people had nourished itself during an entire generation : that mentality should have found its expression, and did so. » (page 5)

Katchaznouni believes that « the formation of bands was wrong » and that the Armenians had participated in that movement to the greatest extent « contrary to the decision and the will of the General Meeting of the Party. »

He wrote that the Armenians « had embraced Russia whole heartedly without any compunction. » (p. 6)

He declares :

« We had created a dense atmosphere of illusion in our minds. We had implanted our own desires into the minds of others ; we had lost our sense of reality and were carried away with our dreams… Attention was called to some kind of a letter by Vorontzov-Dashkov to the Catholicos... with... generalities which might be interpreted in any manner... »

Can the readers appreciate this heartfelt confession by yet another Armenian leader?

What genocide?

It is rebellion and treason.

How many different ways do we need to prove this simple fact? (Luckily, we have many different ways to disprove genocide and prove civil war. In fact, too many... )

(Source: The Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, The First PM of Armenia “The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagtzoutiun) Has Nothing To Do Any More”, Translated from the original by Matthew A. Callender; Edited by John Roy Carlson (Arthur A. Derounian); Published by the Armenian Information Service ; Suite 7D, 471 Park Ave., New York 22, 1955 ; Electronic format available at : www.ataa.org.)

Ergun Kirlikovali

Son of Turkish Survivors from both Paternal and Maternal Sides

www.turkla.com

Sarp,

Here is how I first tried to reach out to Kirlikovali, before I realized he was racist against Armenians, possibly against all Christians or non-Turks to boot:

Mr. Kirlikovali,

In 1945, my grandmother Jenni died in the Matthausen Concentration Camp.

Several weeks later, the Camp was liberated by the Allies. Included in the American Army was her only survivor, my father, who escaped to the United States as a teenager. My grandmother, like your Balkan Turkish ancestors died a needless and tragic death, a death which we can all mourn.

But instead of expanding your humanity and empathy based upon the suffering of your family members, so as to embrace all who were deported and killed irrespective of ethnicity, you have actually embraced the attitudes and the very words of the killers themselves.

Your ridiculous list of Armenian misdeeds is pretty much the same nonsense my Grandmother had to hear from 1933 to the time of her deportation in a cattle car to the concentration camps, applied by Nazis to Jews:

that Jews were "traitors" to the German people (compare, your item 3);
that Jews were terrorists (your item 2);
that Jews were destroying the wholesome culture of the Germans and Aryans (your item 1);
that Jews wanted to take over Germany through Bolshevism as well as capitalism(your item 4);
that the Jews were merely to be resettled (your item 6).

You deny that Armenians were killed as a matter of state policy, but the real message of all you have written is that the Armenians had it coming. That they deservee to die - old, young, babies and grandparents alike. And, of course, that is just what really happenned.

There is more to my father's story. He separated from the American Army in 1950, met and married my mother, whose parents were survivors of the Armenian Genocide as well as the massacres of 1894-1896. Her parents and family became like the missing family my father had lost. They had all been through he same dislocation, murder, loss and exile.

If he or they had met your family, they all would have sympathized, and extended what humanity they had, for your grandparents lived through the same losses.

But, for some reason, you have come to identify with the Genocide deniers and the murderers instead of with the straggling survivors we all have in our histories; you are therefore much more similar to the Christians who persecuted your grandparents than to the good Turks and good Germans who helped the two sides of my family tree survive.

His resoonse:
Stop hiding behind the Jeiwsh Holocaust, which is tried, upheld, and true. Armenian allegations of genocide were never tried and could not withstand the scrutign of a court room, as they are mostly discredited for being hearsay or forgeries.

Ottomans gave Armenians a higher visibility after 1453, capture of Istanbul. The Armenian archbishop from Bursa was relocated to Istanbul and tasked with representing the entire Armenian "millet" in the ottoman court. This raised the ARmenia stature to the level of the Greek Church and unifored Armenians. This service by the Sultan was never forgotten by the Armenian leaders which is why Armenians were considered "the loyal nation" by the Sultan.

All that changed after 1877, Berlin Peace Conference. Article 61 enabled Russia, Britain, and France to use Armenians as a leverage to divide and dismantle the Ottoman Empire and most (not all) Armenian happily obliged to this new role. They wanted a greater Armenia on Turkish soil and this new status could giove them that, they reasoned. After that can Armenaka, Ramgavar, Hinchak, and Dashnak organization bent on terrorizing the Ottoman-Muslims, launching bloody rebellions, and finally the supreme treason, as in joining invading enemy armies to kill your neighbors and fellow citizens.

All this might be too much for you in one go, so I will slow down a bit to ask you:

What is Mosin?

What is Gaflan?

What does Mosin-Gaflan line of thought signify?

"It is rebellion and treason"

Ergo,

Quips are not a substitute for analysis.

Assuming that some Armenians were guilty of these things, how did their guilt, if any, allowably cause women and children to be drowned, bayonetted, clubbed, stabbed, bashed, and set on fire.?

If your analysis is correct, then after 1915-1923, Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks would not have committed Genocide even if they killed every Turk whom they met, irrespective of guilt.

You seem to appreciate the brutality when Greeks did it to your family, but your empathy is limited to what you think of as being your own kind.

By the way, there were no escape trains for Armenian babies. The sorrowful lonely ride of your father as an unnamed child was, compared to what Armenian babies got three years later, a pretty good deal, tough as I am sure it was to be dispossessed.

Rememnber that the Armenians not only died, but like your and Sarp's family, they too lost their lands and way of life forever.

Did your father hate Christians too, or did you start that tradition? I bet that like all of our ancestors who suffered persecution and loss,he did not hate.

Its the fat, comfy offspring who like to scream.

WHAT IS MOSIN?

2/4

Let’s continue reading page 30 of the book, “Houshamatyan of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Centennial, Album-Atlas, Volume I, Epic Battles, 1890-1914” (The Next Day Color Printing, Inc., Glendale, CA, U.S.A., 2006 : )

“The ‘raya’, or oppressed Armenians, also learned how to bear arms in order defend their lives, honor, land, and country.”

If Armenians learned how to bear arms and use them, then it is no longer “poor, starving Armenian” myth, is it?

Isn’t it obvious that these were well armed fighting man? What genocide? Here it is, directly from the horse’s mouth…

Now, for the clincher, let’s go to page 241:

“ Beginning in 1893, the fedayees began to use Russian “Mosin” rifles…
The distance that a bullet could travel when shot from a “Mosin” rifle was 2,700 meters, while the “Martin”, “Ghapakli”, and “Berdan” rifles that the Turks and Kurds used could reach only 1,200…

“Mosin” rifles were short. They made a sharp sound and produced no smoke, while the other rifles roared and produced smoke that betrayed the location of the shooter...
A group of 20 to 25 fedayees was able to resist the attack of hundred of Kurds and Turks with these rifles…”

Those Mosins ruthlessly killed Muslims, mostly Turks, but also Kurds, Circassians, Arabs, and others, by hundreds of thousands.

And those Armenians armed with those lethal Mosins, clearly, were no “poor, starving Armenians”.

They were vicious killers bent on creating a greater Armenia on Turkish soil.

What was happening there was no genocide; it was a civil war.

See how ignorant Armenian activists really are?

They don’t even know what Mosin is…

How can they possibly know how many Muslims were killed by those Mosins?

Armenians and many international historians describe as "genocide" the massacres and deaths during a forced deportation

WHAT IS MOSIN-GAFLAN LINE OF THOUGHT?

Gaflan is the latest link in the chain that is called Greater Armenia Project, an age old pipe dream that drove Armenians into blood-thirsty animals armed with Russian Mosins (1890-1921) or Russian tanks (1992-1994.)

Greater Armenia is the intent and motive; Mosin and Gaflan are the tools.

Mosin-Gaflan line of thought is the reason why Armenia still demands territories from its neighbors:
North-Eastern Anatolia from Turkey;
the Javakheti region from Georgia;
Karabagh and Western Azerbaijan from Azerbaijan; and
North-Western tip from Iran.

Please don’t just take my word for it; just look at the maps racist Armenian newspapers publish and plaster all over the internet (google the words “greater Armenia map”.)

Mosin-Gaflan mentality is the scourge of humanity on a par with genocide, perceived or factual.

Ergun Kirlikovali

Son of Turkish Survivors from both Paternal and Maternal Sides

www.turkla.com

Funny: What Error-gun refers to as traitorous Armenians, the rest of the world sees as a minority group trying to break free from a repressive empire. Are you also upset, Error-gun, that the Indians broke free from the British, or that African nations battled for freedom? If it were up to Error-gun, the Ottoman Empire would still remain, and Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians and so many others would remain second-class citizens. Sick!

Nut job

"You were either "poor, starving Armenians" or a rebellious and treasonous minuorty."

1. There is no "you". The Armenians of then and now are diverse. Language like "treasonous minority" is pretty much the way Nazis spoke about Jews. Some men rebelled, many more defended themselves from Turkish and Kurdish plunderers, but far more babies,women and children simply were murdered.

" armed to the teeth, cutting down Muslims, to create a greater Armenia on Turkish soil. "

Hardly. The Armenians who were murdered were killed while under armed Turkish escort. I doubt that the Turkish Gendarmes and soldiers allowed the women and children to bring any bazookas or poison gas along for the nature hike, or as we call it in honest English, the deportation and death march. And our women and babies are notoriously bad with long guns. They prefer daggers, especially the infants. That's why they had to be killed, right? Turkish national self defense from babies.

"You cannot have the cake and eat it, too."

The Armenians who were intentionally starved, had neither a cake nor any to eat. No trail mix, no ekmek, no bread, no nothing. The Ottoman government decreed death to any good Turk or Kurd who tried to shelter them.

"Funny how the Armenians spill their guts about the terror and mayhem they created in Anatolia when they are bombarded with facts."

Where are the facts justifying infanticide?

"Where was this "self defense" talk until they were confronted with their own history?"

The self defense talk is in the very article you posted.

"It was all one way street: bad Turks killed good Armenians. Yeah, right!"

That is usually how the world sees Genocide: innocent civilians killed by a murderous state. What is weird-wally about you, my Turkish Hillbilly pal, is that no one says Turks as a group did it - we say the Turkish state, led by the CUP, and state actors did it. We also say there were lots of good Turks who refused and resisted, and later denounced it.

And while you're as fat as Talaat, that doesn't mean you're him or responsible for his crimes. By the way, he murdered more Turks than any Christian ever did.

"When the Armenian revolutionaries were killing Muslims with their Russian made Mosins, they were crying into the US made microphones in the West, shedding crocodiles' tears, telling the hokus-pokus stories about "poor, starving Armenians'.

You need a course in remedial thinking. Microphones?

"I am the voice of those Turkish women and children you killed!"

Please, once again, think like a grown up; I am not anyone else, and nobody today alive killed anybody once alive in 1915 in Anatolia. Why do you say i killed somebody. Maybe I should sue you for libel, but the jury would be bored. Plus the judge might get upset that I am taking advantage of you.

But if you can channel dead people, can you reach my deceased former bookie?

"Your Mosin-Gaflan mentality shall be exposed here for all to see, kill-by-kill..."

coo-coo

"The jig is up Armenian falsifiers!"

Dancing? Where?

(See how they ridicule others' pain?

I only ridicule your illlogic and silliness. Let's face it, fatso, it was your father who had the pain. You just gripe all day long to impress the really old male ultranationalist Turkish fascist types

Sarp,

You can see the raving nutball racism Ergun in action here.

I can easily denounce the occasional Armenian friend who refers to all Turks then and now as if they were alkl the same.

Can you demnounce the racism 9not to mentin the fuzzy thinking) in Ergun's posts?

Did you know that the 1923 Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, Armenia's First Prime Minister, is perhaps, one of the most valuable “smoking guns”, as it comes from such a highly placed Armenian official and contradicts and disproves the Armenian claims of genocide?

« At the beginning of the fall of 1914 when Turkey had not yet entered the war but had already been making preparations, Armenian revolutionary bands began to be formed in Transcaucasia with great enthusiasm and, with especially, much uproar. Contrary to the decision taken during their general meeting at Erzurum only a few weeks before, the A.R.F. had [actively participated] in the formation of the bands and their future military action against Turkey.»

(Source: The Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, The First PM of Armenia: “The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagtzoutiun) Has Nothing To Do Any More”, Translated from the original by Matthew A. Callender; Edited by John Roy Carlson (Arthur A. Derounian); Published by the Armenian Information Service ; Suite 7D, 471 Park Ave., New York 22, 1955 ; Electronic format available at : www.ataa.org.)

Katchaznouni concludes that Armenians had

« overestimated the ability of the Armenian people. »

He adds :

« And by overestimating our very modest worth and merit we were naturally exaggerating our hopes and expectations. »

He admits that the cause of the Dashnags was « an incidental and trivial phase for the Russians. » (p. 7)

(Dashnags) had drawn such conclusions as though the Armenian issue was

« the center of gravity of the Great War, its cause and purpose. »

« When the Russians were advancing, we used to say from the depths of our subconscious mind that they were coming to save us. »

Katchaznouni asserts that one of the main aspects of what he calls Armenian national psychology is

«…to seek external causes for [Armenian ] misfortune. »

« One might think we found a spiritual consolation in the conviction that the Russians behaved villainously towards us (later it would be the turn of the French, the Americans, the British, the Georgians, Bolsheviks -the whole world- to be so blamed.) » (p. 8)

…

It should be clear by now that this history is nowhere near as “settled” as Armenian falsifiers let you believe.

Merely the fact that this debate continues (though only one side contributes ideas, facts, and figures, while the other only insults) is an indication that there is an enormous body of knowledge, a whole new other side, that has not been look at yet.

When the other side of the story is known, then it will be obvious that what Armenian bill as genocide is a rebellious and treasonous civil war they engineered, provoked, waged, and failed against the backdrop of World War One.

Ergun Kirlikovali

Son of Turkish Survivors from both Paternal and Maternal Sides

www.turkla.com

PS: Truth will win