Manual Ramos Wants Immunity In Kelly Thomas Killing To Hinder FBI Probe

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Ramos: May I keep my mouth shut or, at least, field only softball questions?
Fearing he will be prosecuted by the U.S. Department of Justice for murdering Kelly Thomas, fired Fullerton cop Manual Ramos is asking a judge to grant him immunity from a scheduled civil deposition or alternatively to limit the scope of questions asked by lawyers for the dead man's father who is suing officers for the savage killing.

In January, an Orange County jury in state court acquitted Ramos as well as ex-officer Jay Cicinelli of any criminal wrongdoing and District Attorney Tony Rackauckas dropped charges against a third defendant, Joseph Wolfe.

At a post-verdict press conference, Ron Thomas--the victim's father--urged federal prosecutors to pursue justice.

Ramos is now using that statement plus an acknowledgment by the FBI that a case is "active" to at least temporarily thwart Thomas' civil lawsuit that has won a tentative December 1 trial date.

FBI agents have obtained transcripts of the trial and, on Feb. 5, received the DA's case files.

Once their investigation is completed, veteran Assistant United States Attorney Robert Keenan who works inside the Ronald Reagan Federal Courthouse in Santa Ana will decide whether to file federal charges against the cops.

To help protect his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, Ramos recently notified Rackauckas, California Attorney General Kamala Harris and Keenan that he may invoke his constitutional right to remain silent while any potential criminal charges loom.

"Answers to any deposition questions relevant to the plaintiff's claims could by definition be used in a criminal prosecution or could lead to other evidence that might be used in a criminal prosecution just as much as they would be used in this civil case to prove identical misconduct," wrote David D. Lawrence, Ramos' taxpayer-funded lawyer. "Accordingly, absent any objection from any of the prosecuting agencies, derivative use immunity should be granted to defendant Ramos with regard to his deposition."

Ramos does not want to answer deposition questions about anything that happened or was said by officers on the night of July 5, 2011, when cops attacked the unarmed, 37-year-old homeless/schizophrenic man.

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Police brutality: Remaining bloody evidence of the dumbest police work in OC history
According to court records, Ron Thomas presently has scheduled an April 14 deposition for Ramos in the Los Angeles office of his lawyer, but the ex-cop wants a May 8 hearing inside Orange County Superior Court with Judge Kirk H. Nakamura to address his request for immunity.

If he doesn't win immunity, Ramos wants a judge to limit the scope of deposition questions he must answer to prevent "unwarranted annoyance, embarrassment, oppression . . . or undue burden and expense."

A judge ruled in February that all the defendants in the civil action must declare whether they will exert a Fifth Amendment shield at least 75 days before trial.

If a defendant waives the privilege, he must submit to a deposition within five days.

Until he decides on his stance, Ramos claims any attempts to depose him would be "a waste of time."

While a group of officers punched, kicked, twisted, stomped, beat and fired Taser blasts into the comparatively small Thomas, the man screamed, "Dad, help me . . . They're killing me" 31 times; "Sir, please . . . okay . . . okay," 30 times; "Help me . . . Help me, God," 26 times and "I'm sorry," 15 times.

Thomas' offense?

At the time of the killing, the cops were conducting what must have been to them a major investigation into whether Thomas took discarded junk mail from a trashcan at the Fullerton Transportation Center.

A cocky, chubby Ramos initiated contact with the victim and attacked him to the point he complained to the other officers that he felt exhausted and suffered a boo-boo on one of his elbows.

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Cicinelli
Cicinelli, incredibly hired by Fullerton PD management for street patrol duties though he has one eye, bragged to his buddies at the scene after a mangled, blood-soaked Thomas permanently lost consciousness that he'd "smashed" the victim's face "to hell" with the butt of his Taser.

The cops claimed--and a jury believed--that the use of lethal force was necessary because they feared for their lives while beating the man who possessed no weapons.

In May 2012, the City of Fullerton paid Thomas' grieving mother, Cathy, $1 million in settlement.

Her ex-husband, Ron, is seeking additional damages in his separate lawsuit against defendants including Ramos, Cicinelli, Wolfe, Kevin Craig, James Blatney, Kenton Hampton, two former police chiefs and the police department.

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168 comments
kuajake
kuajake

Mr Thomas, I hope you take every penny from these murders making there lives miserable, maybe they'll get a taste of what it's like to be homeless and tossed out by society

kuajake
kuajake

Mr Thomas, I hope you take every penny from these two murdering pieces of sh!t; 

Nomad13
Nomad13

Two LV police officers shot while eating lunch, 1 of the 2 gunmen yelled "This is the start of a revolution" Because of the actions of dirty cops like Hamos, Sissynellie, and all those involved in the brutal beating death of Kelly Thomas and countless others, your chickens are coming home to roost and so-called good cops will have to pay the bill for your crimes. It behooves law abiding public servants to rid their ranks of these badged criminals, for the publics safety and their own. Sleep tight boys, knowing that others have to pay the tab for your crimes.

Nomad13
Nomad13

This sorry excuse for a man sissynellie, teaches Sunday school, leads one to believe he has faith in the Lord. Perhaps the Lord, in all of his infinite wisdom could not take sissynellie when he was shot full of holes, because he knew what was in his heart. Now after commiting this brutal beating which led to the death of Kelly Thomas, when you do stand before the Lord in judgement.....He saw what you did, and knows what was in your heart. You and your accomplices have rotten souls, and your actions will be judged.

Nomad13
Nomad13

The man his mother told him to call "daddy" must have yanked him around all over the place by those misshapen ears. Not sure whose looks and actions I am more disgusted by "pie face" ramos or "Cyclops" sissynellie. "Fat man in a little coat" wolfe, is not going to be on any magazine covers either, and his actions are equally heinous and immoral as those other two sadsacks. The entire FPD is a disgrace!

snsyanez8
snsyanez8

oh someone told me this morning there are two sides to the story ....boils my blood when people say that. ignorance is not bliss. 

applemutt
applemutt

Who beat Cincinelli's face in with a taser?

applemutt
applemutt

His girlfriend must love those ears.

citizenactivist
citizenactivist

You have to just love this cop....."If he doesn't win immunity, Ramos wants a judge to limit the scope of deposition questions he must answer to prevent "unwarranted annoyance, embarrassment, oppression . . . or undue burden and expense."


He and two others beat an unarmed man to death while he begs for mercy and his father

something like three dozen times. And three other Fullerton police officers watch and 

standby as backup. He now, does not want to be burdened, annoyed, embarrassed or

oppressed????  Are you fricken kidding me?

g.judd1111
g.judd1111

Just Ramos' picture makes my skin crawl so much I can't read these articles because I know they will just piss me off.

bphood
bphood

the case proves that ugly people are bitter and violent

Nomad
Nomad

IMO Ramos displays all the worst characteristics of a man. A bully, who chastised and participated in beating to death a defenseless, mentally ill, homeless man. Now he has a chance to, in his own words, justify his actions that night and he chooses to plead for immunity. A coward to the very end.

lonhall
lonhall

Immunity?! I think we citizens should be granted a game day to go gunning for this shitbag!

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

This is the man that said: "You see these fists, they are now gonna f**k you up".

NO IMMUNITY for killer cops.

Katerwriter
Katerwriter

Guess Manny wants his hell realm supersized and extra crispy.

briux
briux

mother settled for measly million, father is going for more $ and blood.

fc2479
fc2479

Don't worry Manny you have done nothing wrong, the Fed investigation like the State investigation will produce NOT GUILTY verdicts....good luck buddy

snsyanez8
snsyanez8

@g.judd1111     oh same here! i have to not read alot of them too it just makes me so sick and angry. Probably better im not at the courthouse right now cuz id prob get arrested im soooo angry and bitchy right now lol

i fully believe they will all be judged and Justice will be served. 

snsyanez8
snsyanez8

@Nomad  seems to me Ramos is more mentaly ill than Kelly! stick his ass in a straight jacket in a padded cell and forget about him better yet death penalty! 

snsyanez8
snsyanez8

@briux  have you ever been involved in a lawsuit for your child being abused by someone much less murdered? i have and i will tell you its an awful nightmare! i wound up in the hospital. the lawyers are ruthless and pull out anything and everything to attack you personally even tho it was their client who committed the crime. i did not get money i just turned it over to my daughters father so i could keep my sanity and be able to take care of my disabled child who had been severly physically abused by people who were supposed to care for her. 

She did the right thing for her by settling. FBI is investigating and Kellys dad is pressing civil charges.

tell me what would you do if it was your family? 

he absolutely will give to his great cause. he already has. hes not only going after money and justice. he is working on mental health awareness and working to change the law that protects police officers from having their backgrounds being brought up in court. which not only will bring justice for Kelly but anyone else who may come across a crooked cop. we should all be thanking him. he is also involved in helping others who have lost their loved ones to this type of situation. 

he also commends every good police officer and asks them to help weed out the bad ones. 

Ron Thomas spoke at an award ceremony here in riverside for officers who were being commended for their outstanding work in the community. Educate yourself before you judge.

The money he recieves from selling tshirts braclets etc for Kellys cause, he has handed directly to the homeless mission who is involved in fighting for kelly and has also given away these things for those who could not afford to buy them. 

citizenactivist
citizenactivist

@briux  You a something..briux....Justice delayed is Justice Denied....Ron Thomas WILL get justice, one way or another. And the devil will still have his day.

gigi905
gigi905

@briux He is asking for 9 million. Blood money. See how much he gives to his great cause, "The homeless".

citizenactivist
citizenactivist

@fc2479  oh  your buttbuddy Manny did plenty wrong. He also happens to be a coward. I'd like to put my gloves on and you know what to him...


nancmarlow
nancmarlow

@fc2479 US WHITES KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN DON WE??? U FKN IDOTS<THE OC SYSTEM IS FULL OF SUPREAMISTS....ONLY PROBLEM IS... ITS JUST A "NAME"...FER SUPREAMLY STUPID<BEHIND TIMES<STUBORN<WHIFEBEATERS<WITH BEER CANS IN THEIR HANDS<GET RID OF THE SLEEZY HOTELS<MOTELS<AND STOP PUSHIN ARTISTS FROM THE AREAS THEY STARTED>>PUT ALCHOL EVERYWHERE<AND RANT THIS SHIT FER ACCOMPLUSES RECRUDING YOUR NAZIS>>>ON POOR HOODS...........FK OFF SPANKY!!

OCCOPWATCH.COM
OCCOPWATCH.COM

@fc2479  LOL You must have missed the video: "See these fists? they're getting ready to f**k you up!"  

Which part of the training taught Manny to speak with citizens like this? Was it part of the training to deal with mentally disabled citizens like this?

He won't speak because he KNOWS he did exactly what he said he was going to do in the video! F**k him up! 

When other cops protect and support Cops like Ramos, it shows that the whole force is corrupt. Not just a few bad apples.

Let us help remind you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6IntxCA3sA

Nomad
Nomad

@gigi905 @g.judd1111 Oh were gonna read 'em, and were gonna celebrate when Ramos and Cici are investigated by the FEDS and thrown in jail where they belong.

Nomad13
Nomad13

@gigi905 @bphood  No? He just squashed him with his big, fat, ass. You know, the same one that you have your head up. Pestosa!

citizenactivist
citizenactivist

@gigi905 @bphood  Never hit him...I guessed you missed a lot of video footage, hey GIGI and bphood.  NEVER HIT HIM....He crushed in the mans face with the butt of a taser gun for one thing...He hit him and hit ham and hit him and hit him.

Nomad
Nomad

@gigi905 @bphood You thought this thread was dead, shitstain? So you could post your nonsense uncontested? Think again.

snsyanez8
snsyanez8

@gigi905 @briux  he absolutely will give to his great cause. he already has. hes not only going after money and justice. he is working on mental health awareness and working to change the law that protects police officers from having their backgrounds being brought up in court. which not only will bring justice for Kelly but anyone else who may come across a crooked cop. we should all be thanking him. he is also involved in helping others who have lost their loved ones to this type of situation. 

he also commends every good police officer and asks them to help weed out the bad ones. 

Ron Thomas spoke at an award ceremony here in riverside for officers who were being commended for their outstanding work in the community. Educate yourself before you judge.

The money he recieves from selling tshirts braclets etc for Kellys cause, he has handed directly to the homeless mission who is involved in fighting for kelly and has also given away these things for those who could not afford to buy them. 

citizenactivist
citizenactivist

@gigi905 @briux  PLEASE CITIZENS...UNDERSTAND THESE POST BY BRIUX AND GIG905 are OPS post, these guys are either being paid to spread false information on these threads or maybe the criminal cops themselves posting using user names....Go on Facebook....search Justice4KellyThomas get the truth of the matter and the facts if you don't know them already. 

hitman_martinelli
hitman_martinelli

@gigi905, Knowing Ron Thomas, he will more then generous! How much has Ramos and Cincinelli given to any cause? Little league doesn't count! Cincy just wants to make sure his sons start!

briux
briux

see Mother settled for measly one million, Father is going for MORE $$ and I'll wager criminal charges.

hitman_martinelli
hitman_martinelli

@nancmarlow, Somewhere in there? I think your trying to tell us something!

hitman_martinelli
hitman_martinelli

@gigi905, and another thing, Stop lying about Ramos never hitting Kelly! Watch the fucking video! He was giving some hateful knee shots to Kelly's ribs! You can hear Kelly grunt! No wonder he had 2 or 3 broken ribs! Also your fat BF sat on his chest, Suffocating him! He knew he was crushing him and he sadistically enjoyed it!

hitman_martinelli
hitman_martinelli

@gigi905 You don't know what went on behind closed doors at the Thomas house! You seemed to know what goes on in the Ramos house. Why don't we take a vote who would lose the Character assination vote between Ramos and Ron Thomas?! I think Ramos would get slaughtered!! A man is measured in many ways, one being his love for his fellow man. Ramos failed miserably there! Didn't he?

Nomad
Nomad

@gigi905 @hitman_martinelli Your "familia" is going to prison, get used to the idea. Go get a job at Walmart, 'cause your meal ticket is going "bye, bye"

gigi905
gigi905

@hitman_martinelli Oh really you know Ron Thomas personally? He is a selfish greedy asshole. He never gave a rats ass about his son. He stole $10,000 from the "Kelly Memorial fund", great father.

bphood
bphood

@briux bla blah blah    stop resisting...stop resisting, they droned on like state run zombies as they committed murder.

Do everyone a favor and move out of ca so people that fix meals in restaurants wont spit in your food

citizenactivist
citizenactivist

@fc2479 @OCCOPWATCH.COM  He was found not guilty....anyone knows from the videos (multiple shots) the mann is a proven murderer....No one beats another human being or even a dog like that ...that isn't enjoying it. Your buddy, relative or whatever is a very sick, evil, little man and a killer cop.

fc2479
fc2479

@OCCOPWATCH.COM @fc2479  Well I wish I could say I was an Officer but unfortunately I do not meet the qualifications.  My eye sight is not good. That said I agree peace to you too brother I am definitely a lover not a fighter...try to see the good in everyone I meet...

OCCOPWATCH.COM
OCCOPWATCH.COM

@fc2479 @OCCOPWATCH.COM  by a fixed jury and dirty DA...we'll see.

In the meantime. PEACE! 

Don't be violent today officer 2479!

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