UCI Professor: Mexicans Most Successful Immigrant Group in the United States

happy_mexican.jpg
In news that will undoubtedly be accepted by all American and lead to widespread acceptance of Mexicans in the U.S. and everything that they do, a UC Irvine sociology professor recently wrote an essay proclaiming her findings: Mexicans are the most successful immigrant group in the United States.

That's the claim made by Jennifer Lee, professor of sociology at UCI, in an essay she published on Zócalo Public Square and reprinted online at Time.com.

"There is no question that, when we measure success as progress from generation to generation, Mexican-Americans come out ahead," she writes, presenting research she and a UCLA professor worked on published for a project called "Immigration and Intergenerational Mobility in Metropolitan Los Angeles," a multidisciplinary effort worked on by a chingo of UCI scholars.

The study's rationale is simple, if a bit misleading: instead of measuring the accomplishments of immigrants and their children by end result, Lee and her colleagues instead examined by how much achievement was accomplished from generation to generation--in other words, the Vietnamese kid who ended up being a pharmacist but came from refugee parents with a college education is actually less successful than the Mexican bank teller with a bachelor's in Robo-American studies whose parents never went to high school at all.

"A colleague of mine illustrated this point with a baseball analogy: Most Americans would be more impressed by someone who made it to second base starting from home plate than someone who ended up on third base, when their parents started on third base," Lee writes. "But because we tend to focus strictly on outcomes when we talk about success and mobility, we fail to acknowledge that the third base runner didn't have to run far at all."

You can read Lee's full essay here
. Will no doubt change hearts and minds, right?

My Voice Nation Help
127 comments
CalebKabal
CalebKabal

It's funny how all border patrol agents Are beaners. LOL!

Even the beaners want to keep more beaners from coming back in1

LOL!

JGlanton
JGlanton topcommenter

Here is an example of a couple successful Mexican immigrants. Perhaps from Pasadena or Silver Lake. So successful here, they are exporting their proud mexican-american culture to foreign lands.


Warnings: Strong language. May lower your IQ. May make you have violent thoughts and feelings and/or pray for someone's death. May make you repeat "hey homie".


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=15f_1393628931

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

          .

                ¡Venceremos!

eagertzo
eagertzo

Not sure what's up with all the hate...but, 


...as long as U.S. wants its greedy little fingers involved in a global economy, then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. citizens want to travel the world and experience another culture, then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. citizens expect travel accommodations that surpass the standard of living of the country traveled to, then immigration is fair game. 

...as long as U.S. wants to involve itself in the affairs of other countries, then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. citizens support the global production and distribution of food, then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. citizens that live abroad want to continue to live abroad, then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. citizens want to have the latest innovations in technology (in all industries), then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. causes damage to non-U.S. environments, then immigration is fair game.

...as long as U.S. exploits the resources of other nations through the methods of production, then immigration is fair game.


How conceited is the U.S. that it cannot see the beauty in others wanting to share in its experiences? I didn't know that the freedom of others got in the way of the freedom of the U.S. It's that notion of freedom that is so attractive, not your 'endangered jobs.' Also, American exceptionalism has caused most nations to hold our travelers as some of the most obnoxious and disrespectful.


If all you haters really want to see immigration change, then..

...support your local businesses, restaurants, arts, and community.

...limit the amount of goods consumption, especially those that need to be transported long distance to your neighborhood.

...stop supporting sprawling neighborhoods by learning to live alongside one another.

...ween yourself from petroleum (gasoline, and many other products) consumption.

...support alternative transportation to spark innovation in renewable energy or energy conservation.

...the U.S. can keep its morphed idea of different culinary cultures, but don't pick and choose what parts of cultures are acceptable, which are exploitable, and which are to be terminated.


Basically keep to yourselves, because the majority of the issues that are attributed to immigrants are a result of U.S. influence in the global economy.  That same influence is supported by your dollar and your habits of consumption.  In the mean time, I'll be using my state supported degree to continue improving these U.S. communities that my illegal-immigrant-but-now-naturalized parents support with their own local businesses.   



......on a related note, viva la raza!!

mannybanny
mannybanny

Based on the example of this article, Mike D'Antoni is the Most Successful Coach Ever of the Lakers, and Phil Jackson is actually less successful...

Steve SanFilipo
Steve SanFilipo

Of course I am, bitch. Illegals are dumbing down this country.Pretty soon it's going to be just like that shit hole down south.

HUUUGE_JOHNSON
HUUUGE_JOHNSON

Don't know about being the most successful..


BUT DEFINITELY THE MOST UNGRATEFUL

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

Let’s use another baseball analog.


Suppose you are a big league baseball team’s general manager. Now let’s say a bunch of minor league, Single A players break their way into your ballpark and, because your owner is a dweeb, force their way onto the roster. Let’s say they improve rapidly to a double-A standard, maybe some even make triple A. Few get past that level of play, even though remaining in the ‘big leagues’.


You team is still worse, right? Your standards fall, your bench is crowded, your coaching team stretched in the teaching and advice they can give to *all* players but especially the actual major league ones.


Right!


I explain this for the OC Weakly staff, Mexicans are the crashing minor leaguers, America is the big league team. 

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

Well, I suppose if one goes from subsisting as a kindergarten-drop-out in roach-infested squalor to a high school drop-out mowing lawns and changing bed linens that's a measure of progress. 

Mickey Hartwig
Mickey Hartwig

Z I love that place it has the best Italian meat and rolls the pizza is really good too

Elizabeth Kent Morales
Elizabeth Kent Morales

It is harder for hispanics to get loans than any other race other than black. It takes hispanic immigrants longer than other nationalities to be approved to come over, which is why they sneak over. Alot of them live in the shadows when they do. Study the handouts in the Asian communities when they first come over on refugee status. The Korean and Vietnam war was over decades ago. Why are they still pouring in on refugee status. Housed in Virginia for years on taxpayer dollars. With food stamps and healthcare, educated till they are placed in a state with every handout, loan, schooling and low interest business and home loan available. At least hispanics are indigenous to the America's. In other words, here first.

Ascary Morera
Ascary Morera

Paco Sanchez in Denver co 1960's he has a park named after him. He started little Mexico in D-town.

Víctor Emilio-Vizzy Salazar
Víctor Emilio-Vizzy Salazar

Otis Denim Tell us your writing is impeccable every time and you've never had a typo in your life. There's a difference between not knowing how to write and overlooking an occasional error/typing too fast.

Alma A. Morales Ruiz
Alma A. Morales Ruiz

Mex- American kids, leave school sadly, because they love their parents and want to help out, they also see that they are taken care of in their old age, that to me s a very good American Dream..

Rick Hale
Rick Hale

Don't be ironic with your space between the "r" and the "!", Otis.

Daniel Ortega
Daniel Ortega

Cool. My parents had no formal education aside for a year at some rural school in Puebla. From their 8 kids, 5 went to college and 2 ran their businesses from an early age. Not bad.

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

"Success" is a matter of opinion...the definition varies greatly from one person to another.

Otis Denim
Otis Denim

You could write for this paper !

gloira_halman
gloira_halman

I so agree, and will be posting this article on my FB, just remember the movie:  "A Day without a Mexican, and you will get the real picture, WE work hard, we have a work ethic, we ask for nothing i.e., welfare, food stamps.  You don't see Asians/African Americans, or even Caucasians working in the fields, washing dishes in a restaurant, we do in all, sometimes working 2-3 jobs, we get it done, illegal or legal, if WE didn't, then why are businesses hiring ILLEGALS, could not stay open without us!



Gloria J. Ramirez-Halman

eagertzo
eagertzo

The Glendale Police Department says that Wino is Nersis Kilajian, 31, a Syrian national who was living in the U.S. before being deported in 2012 for a felony offense elsewhere. He had several run-ins with Glendale police, authorities say, for offenses including driving under the influence and receiving stolen property. Various spellings of his name can be found on his criminal record.

Little is known about Creeper, though he appears in several photos on Wino’s Facebook profile that say he has been in Syria. In one online comment, Wino wrote that Creeper had also been deported.

Wino is said to be a member of the Armenian Christian community and originally from Aleppo, once Syria’s vibrant commercial hub.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79522348/

Hey homie!

gceron
gceron

@eagertzo comrade, you forgot an important issue. if they really want to see immigration change Americans need to focus in their home turf instead of waging unjust wars for political and economical profit... Capitalist wars are pushed by globalization. Also, stop allowing corporations to export jobs to lower wage countries for bigger, greedier profits instead of supporting the American workforce.

HUUUGE_JOHNSON
HUUUGE_JOHNSON

@eagertzo  We have the highest legal immigration in the world. …BUT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SET A LIMIT..AND …A RIGHT TO EXPECT THOSE THAT COME HERE SHOW SOME APPRECIATION AND RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY. viva la rasa is pure racism.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

@eagertzo  Mexico earns billions of dollars per year in tourism. Thousands 

of rich Mexicans go abroad, to the US, to France, etc every year.


Yet Mexico has strict immigration laws, and enforces them. As is its right.


The US has that same right.


As for the 'beauty of shared experience'. The numbers of immigrants are destroying that beauty.  

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

@PaulyWalnuts  To make Mexicans (and their Central American brethren) not feel so bad about their epic high school drop-out rates, their pitiful home ownership rates and the fact that all of their ancestral points of origin are failed nation states that offer little opportunity to the vast majority who still inhabit them. 

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

Who cares, there is no right to immigration. Immigration should benefit US citizens. 


And no, ‘Hispanics’ are not indigenous to America (i.e. the US). If they were, they wouldn’t have to cross the border to get here.

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

Sure - just like the blacks reclaimed their L.A. neighborhoods by burning them down in the riots of 1965 and 1992. In the meantime, visit Palos Verdes, Manhattan Beach, Pacific Palisades and West Hollywood and tell us how the reconquista is going. 

Brainwashed_in_church
Brainwashed_in_church topcommenter

It doesn't help much that the Catholic Church sends a message to the dad who makes $9/hour and already has six kids: "Go ahead, have another kid."

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

@gloira_halman  Day without a Mexican was great! We should make it year without a Mexican, decade without a Mexican.  Hell, we had two centuries with very few Mexicans and we managed to put a man on the moon!

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

So why is it that all your dish-washing, toilet-scrubbing and car-waxing hasn't paid off in your own beleaguered countries? All that toil and nothing to show for it. 

ComTruise
ComTruise

@gloira_halman  WE (asians) work hard too.  But instead of waiting for the man who owns the farm to hire us, we grew our own crops and sold our own products.  Instead of waiting for the restaurant manager to interview us, we built our own restaurants.  Instead of waiting for the government to offer us some aid, we went out and made money on our own.  Before deciding to have kids, we first evaluate our ability to raise and educate a child.  We work hard so we DON'T have to do the jobs that no one wants to do.  We have a bigger picture in mind, but thanks for letting us hire you guys to fuel the American Dream :)  

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@gloira_halman  You make some valid points.  Businesses do appreciate the work ethic.  However, I am a caucasian and I washed dishes while I attended college.


eagertzo
eagertzo

@HUUUGE_JOHNSON @eagertzo  


Have give respect to get respect. Most immigrants when here (legally or illegally) face what? disrespect.  If this country and it's laws (but most importantly it's people) showed some respect, then immigrants will no doubt be grateful and appreciative. Until then, have fun reading the sensationalized stories about the chicanery immigrant folks are up to.  That's OBVIOUSLY the only thing that goes on in those communities.  


'Viva la raza' is an expression that arose during the civil rights era when the racist government of the time deemed all ethnics as subversive to the white middle class.  I haven't seen anything really change (especially here in OC), so......VIVA LA RAZA!!!!


ps. it is really a call out to brothers and sisters, la raza lies within ANYONE who can show pride in walking hand-in-hand, no matter your credo.  Basically like saying long live the people!!


but yeah pure racism....

eagertzo
eagertzo

@Mitchell_Young @eagertzo  


Mexico also 'earned' U.S. exploitation of its land rights, labor, and environment because of that NAFTA deal that was supposed to make North America the epitome of prosperity.  It also 'earned' the violence that arose in beach and border cities/towns as a result of drops in tourism when the global economy fell(these were perfectly functioning cities/towns until tourism skyrocketed and changed the nature, or economy, of those cities/towns).


All that the U.S. has to show for it's meddling in the global economy is a debt that throws conservatives into a gigantic fervor, leading to reductions in services to its own people. Services that in the U.S. are honestly not available to Mexican immigrants, other than through good-natured civil persons who either volunteer or offer these services at reasonable costs because they understand that there is nothing to be destroyed by sharing an experience. (Really, if you think the U.S. is sponsoring the growth of ethnic and immigrant neighborhoods then just research which neighborhoods get the most funding for programs...yes a combo of private funds, but also huge block grants from the fed allow affluent neighborhoods to continue increasing the inequality gap).  The only services I recall available to Mexican-immigrants are: services to assimilate into this 'amazing' culture(only amazing thing is the amount of judgmental people here), fast food service, Sunday service, shitty internet service, and smug customer service(depending on the area).


Thanks for that beauty, I'll make sure to let the other Mexicans know it's off limits since we destroyed it for you.


The facts are: NAFTA crippled the Mexican economy, which led to spikes in immigration. The global food production system created much of the health problems that threaten us today. The U.S. rate at which goods are consumed support this system to continue.   


As I said, immigration is fair game.  I still don't understand why U.S. citizens expect to be welcomed all over the world, but the immigrants here need to get the f*** out.  Yes, the U.S. has a right to set limits on immigration, but a human (immigrant or not) has a right to be treated like a human and not disrespected because they're on the wrong side of a created border. 

gceron
gceron

@Mitchell_Young First of all, we are not 'hispanics'. Mexican-Americans, the largest minority in the USA is in fact very indigenous to this continent very much like the native tribes of the USA. The very name 'Mexica' derives from nahuatl, the original language of the last civilization before the Europeans arrived. Mexicans have more right to be here than any other 'American' been African, Jew, Italian, German, Arab, etc.

jmunoz0212
jmunoz0212

@Brainwashed_in_church  

True, but those six kids quickly leave the church and their hypocrite followers and start worshiping the real american God, $$. 

gceron
gceron

@Mitchell_Young @gloira_halman don't be so arrogant Mitchell, thanks to the very evil enemy, the NAZI GERMANS, you Americans achieved space travel. it wasn't all American innovation..

gceron
gceron

@ComTruise @gloira_halman oh sure just like the ones that work in china's American factories for slavehood wages? or do you mean the wealthy ones that come to his country with 'purchase' visas, 500k to Millions in their bank accounts to open businesses and send their kids to UCI, and other Universities...  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@whateveryousay " I am a caucasian and I washed dishes while I attended college."


Because that's all you were qualified to do.


eagertzo
eagertzo

@vivamehico @eagertzo @HUUUGE_JOHNSON  


only people not doing it the right way? (You must be referring to the drugs, fraud, violent crime, property crime, public-disorder, and use of 'free' health care)


Drug Use by Race: White(39.2%) Black (30.6&%) Hispanic (27.5%) *Substance Abuse & Mental Health Data Archive

Drug Arrest by Race: White (23.6%) Blacks (14.7 %) Hispanic (14.5 %) *Bureau of Justice

Fraud by Race: White (3.4%) Black (1.6%) Hispanic (1.0%) *Bureau of Justice

Violent Crime by Race: White (49.5%) Black (55.2%) Hispanic (56.7%) *Bureau of Justice

Property Crime: White (23.6%) Black (14.7%) Hispanic (14.5%) *Bureau of Justice

Public-disorder by Race: White (11.3%) Black (9.2 %) Hispanic (11.9 %) *Bureau of Justice

Health Care Use by Type and by Race: - DOCTOR OR CLINIC - Whites (77%) Blacks (62%) Hispanics (44%) - COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER - Whites (9%) Blacks (13%) Hispanics (21%) - EMERGENCY ROOM - White (3%) Blacks (12%) Hispanics (8%)

Avoid Getting Health Care When Needed: White (43%) Black (44%) Hispanics (54%)


The other groups are not statistically significant in their methods of destroying the U.S. 


So tell me homes (you're a f***ing ass for coming at me like that), should I be looking for aid somewhere else? The facts are that Mexicans choose dignity over handouts. Got anything else to justify your judgmental chumplike views?  


VIVA LA RAZA!!

vivamehico
vivamehico

@eagertzo @HUUUGE_JOHNSON  


every immigrant group in this country has faced disrespect and they somehow managed to make a better life here for their children, often without any govt assistance whatsoever... why are the mexicans the only people that can not do it the right way? and this is with the massive aid their anchor babies get from the govt... u wonder why you get no respect, holmes??

eagertzo
eagertzo

'Baja California, the scenic peninsular southern end of the California region that is within Mexican national jurisdiction, is host to over 63,000 American property owners. A recent and ongoing incident there highlights some of the potential problems of property ownership in Mexico - for both citizens and foreigners. '

Tourism is 1/10th of the Mexican economy, and is supported by the Mex govt as it tries to continue to liberalize its land rights. Tourism hyperinflated the economies of Mexican border and beach cities/towns. There were industries of scale that supported these economies, which had working and adequate infrastructure. Tourism changed the nature of these cities/towns as the market demanded more tourist amenities(bars, restaurants, homogenized auto centric boulevards, resort and condo subdivisions). When the global recession hit, these cities/towns were basically turned into ghost towns, which gave rise to high levels of violence. Violence, like NAFTA, sparked immigrants to seek refuge. 'Freedom' is probably the most attractive refuge, but if YOU can't see that connection with immigration then I will just leave YOU be.  I am losing hope for YOUR ability to comprehend the real issues at hand.  Keep focusing that hate, it'll keep those 'horror stories you hear' alive and well.  Speaking of which, the only consistent traveling stories I've heard are those that portray Americans as being the most inconsiderate, arrogant, and demeaning tourists abroad.  I try to change that everywhere I visit, but I'm a Mexican so I guess it doesn't really count.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

@eagertzo @Mitchell_Young  Well, I think you are right that NAFTA (which I am not a fan of) did hurt certain sectors of the Mexican economy. Particularly the small scale farmers and ejido dwellers. And that may have increased presssure to emigrate. Still doesn’t require us to take more immigrants; its not like the EU, and US citizens who are not also Mexican citizens don’t get to immigrate freely into Mexico, or even own land in large parts of the country. 


And I’m still not getting the connection of tourism and immigration. Japanese tourists abound throughout the world--they are welcome because, despite the horror stories you hear -- Japan is still a very wealthy country and the Japanese tourists spend a lot of money. 


And yet, Japan has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.

Brainwashed_in_church
Brainwashed_in_church topcommenter

@jmunoz0212 @Brainwashed_in_church  I wish your statement was true but for the most part, those young minds are cemented shut. Religious brainwashing at an early age is pretty darn strong. Even if these kids end up with PhDs in physics or other sciences, chances are they will retain those superstitious beliefs despite objective evidence staring them in the face. It's the 21st centure, we walked on the moon 40 years ago, we have satellites and computers and heart transplants and Mars rovers. But we [humans] still believe the same things we did in the 5th Century.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @whateveryousay  Maybe so. At the time I was in Oregon and the unemployment rate was extremely high.  The good news is that I did go on to graduate and have had a pretty successful career.

Now Trending

Anaheim Concert Tickets

From the Vault

 

Fashion

General

Loading...