Orly Taitz Tries to Stop Cremation of Hawaiian Official Who Verified Obama's Birth Certificate

As close readers know, South County attorney/dentist/real estate saleslady Orly Taitz has proven to be pretty flippin' nuts when it comes to her quixotic legal quest to remove Barack Obama as president on grounds he was not born in the United States.

But she has now managed to top (lower?) herself, suing a funeral home to stop the cremation of a Hawaiian state official who released Obama's birth certificate and died in a recent plane crash.

OC Weekly's voluminous and increasingly desperate Orly Taitz archives

At the request of Obama, who was attempting to make birthers like Taitz and Donald Trump crawl back under their rocks, state of Hawaii health director Loretta Fuddy in April 2011 certified that the president's birth certificate from an Aloha State hospital was authentic.

On Dec. 11, 65-year-old Fuddy was the lone fatality from a plane carrying a pilot and eight passengers that went down in the water a half mile off Molokai. Cue the right wing conspiracy theorists (oxymoron?) who are now casting Fuddy as the Obama Administration's Vince Foster (or, as World Net Daily put it, "Did Loretta Fuddy Get 'Ron Browned'").

Cue Orly Taitz.

According to her own have-another-peanut-butter-geez-lady-yer-a-nutter website, she filed an emergency petition in a Hawaiian court Friday to stop Fuddy's cremation, which Taitz conceded may have already happened anyway.

The rationale for this unusual court move, as explained on the site and in court documents, is that because Fuddy was the only person to die, there is mystery surrounding the crash that could point to an Obama attempt to permanently silence someone who knows the president is secretly foreign (and, thus, constitutionally forbidden to be commander-in-chief).

Keeping Fuddy's body on ice could give Taitz time to prove Obama was behind her death, she reasons. But Hawaii's chief judge, obviously in no mood for this shit, threw the case out minutes after it was docketed. That, of course, sets the judge up to be the next target of Rancho Santa Margarita-based Taitz, who is already holding out a virtual hand for online donations so she can file still more legal funny papers related to Fuddy's demise.

As she had in the early months of the last Republican presidential primary process, Taitz is getting an assist in stirring her latest Russian nut-flavored borscht from Donald Trump, who tweeted a day after Fuddy's death, "How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama's 'birth certificate' died in plane crash today. All others lived."

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theplanetruth1
theplanetruth1

Hey Kbear and everyone else blogging shit about a woman who is trying to do something to fight this tyranny... This quote is for you dumbass!!!

“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
― Mark Twain

kbear09090
kbear09090

"Cue the right wing conspiracy theorists (oxymoron?) ...........I think that belongs in the Department of Redundancy Department.

fredflintstone1960
fredflintstone1960

Orly Taitz is a DAMNED FOOL . . . she needlessly harassed this poor family, asked openly whether Ms. Fuddy was a lesbian . . . called the President a "black liar". . . and she's sending out letters on behalf of her "foundation" - a foundation which (and maybe the OCWeekly needs to check out) it's financial statistics - who has given money, where has the money gone and how much has Orly personally benefitted. And now she's on a anti-gay rant about two men getting legally married during a Parade. She's homophobic (read some of her recent posts about her anti-gay thoughts) even though she has FAMILY MEMBERS who are probably gay as well. One of her biggest supporters is James David Manning, a convicted felon who left his wife and kids (of whom have nothing to do with him) and who has threatened the life of the POTUS, exacting a visit from the U.S. Secret Service and Homeland Security, who is just as homophobic as Orly Taitz. She would sue a cloud if it rained on her head. She's allegedly Jewish but you can't find out what temple she supports, and she signed a letter, the date before Christmas, harassing Federal Officials with an obligatory "have a merry Christmas."  She's despicable and all I want for Christmas is for her to be exposed for what she is - where are her papers? where are her financial accountability statements? who is bankrolling her visits via plane - she preys on poor, uneducated, white people. She even suggested that South Africa would be in better hands under white people than black people and she then said black people are attacking white people all over the USA without a shred of evidence. There is a special spot in hell for people like this.

Chris Criner
Chris Criner

so you are trying to imply that this person has reasoning power? Since when?

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

Please tell me there was an autopsy performed by Hawaiian Health Department officials and not by federal officials?


ex animo

davidfarrar

Kelly Hughes Davis
Kelly Hughes Davis

Me thinks Orly is a secret Muslim from some former Eastern block country trying to... Nevermind. She's batshit crazy.

Kit Hope
Kit Hope

For the love of FSM, she has no standing and good for the judge!

Jenna Scott
Jenna Scott

Edit, edit, edit! And, yes, she has officially lost it.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Orly Taitz is a despicable human being. She knows full well that there are no presidential conspiracies to take down commercial aircraft, to kill health dept. directors, to forge birth certificates, or any of her other carelessy-crafted attempts to grift money from usually poor, white, senior citizen teabag rubes who can't stomach a president with actual African tribespeople in his family.


Her frivolous and unethical use of the court to interfere in Director Fuddy's funeral and cremation puts Fred Phelps and his sign-waving extended Westboro Baptist Church family to shame.


It's well past time for Orly Taitz to show [real] Americans her own papers. Let's see the immigration papers, Taitz. Let's see proof that you personally took the California Bar exam. Let's see the dental degree. How about your birth certificate and passport?


Since apparently there exists no functioning state bar in California, there's no sense in holding our collective breath for a disbarment. But Taitz should be charged by the federal government for sedition and treason (if indeed she is an American), for openly and repeatedly inciting a violent, armed overthrow of the US government. 


Or she should be deported back to Russia, with love.


Her poor, poor family.







paullucas714
paullucas714 topcommenter

Orly Taits the gift that keeps on giving.

Craig Harvey
Craig Harvey

Nothing worse than someone interfering with the final arrangements of a persons life. Even more so when the person is not related and has their own selfish agenda driving them.

Christopher Bruce Vreeland
Christopher Bruce Vreeland

I am continually amazed at what it apparently takes to lose one's law license in California. Anyone trying such nonsense here in the Midwest would typically be out of a license in a New York minute.

Gayle Scarmardo
Gayle Scarmardo

I think there is a straight jacket with her name on it somewhere.

Louis Mata
Louis Mata

Her problem is obvious: Can't Understand Normal Thinking!

TFBob
TFBob

@theplanetruth1 Please explain how filing a lawsuit to prevent a cremation is "fighting tyranny"?

Taitz wants the federal government to disrupt a grieving family's funeral -- THAT sounds like tyranny.

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar Not that it matters, but numerous articles report that the Maui County Medical Examiner's office performed the autopsy.

scotte5
scotte5

@jtmunkus I think she is an awesome patriot... maybe you and obamajevich lose...

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@realitycheck1776 @david.is.farrar 


Now just imagine if Ms. Fuddy's body was immediately taken by White House officials before an autopsy was done by Hawaiian Health Department officials and cremated, and then later publishing an autopsy report online at the White House website, filled with obvious Adobe Photoshop tampering. Who's fault would that be if questions were later raised; those questioning the report or those who need to believe the report was true?


ex animo

davidfarrar 

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

@scotte5 If you wanna talk about losers, just check the record of Orly Taitz - who has NEVER WON A CASE. But you, Scott E., who chickened out on debating RC on live radio, you are a supporter of all sorts of birther losers. Because they - you - are all hate-filled, racist losers who will never see through your own stupidity.


TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar Any other goalposts you would like to move?  Demand that the notarization be witnessed by a glitter pony?

RafeDamon
RafeDamon

@david.is.farrar


In other words, you can't identify a single case in which a state-certified birth certificate was not accepted as evidence. Once again you just make things up, which is why nobody with any sense believes anything you say.


And yes, please produce your evidence - if you have any - that Kapi'olani Hospital stated that they still have natal hospital records from 1961. The statute is quite clear that the hospital is not required to keep records from 1961.

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar 

No one questioned Trump's documents because only birthers are so obsessed, and only with President Obama; duh.

"Reporters did go to the hospital named on his hospital birth certificate and the information was confirmed, end of story."  I note you have AGAIN FAILED to cite your source.  SHOW where "reporters" went to the hospital that "confirmed" the information.

Halperin and Heilemann not mentioning President Obama's father's name doesn't mean it wasn't there.  "David Farrar is wearing a black shirt" doesn't exclude the possibility you are also wearing pants.  Logic 101.

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@TFBob @david.is.farrar  


You are welcome to your own conclusions, as I am to mine, but no one questioned Trump birth documents. Reporters did go to the hospital named on his hospital birth certificate and the information was confirmed, end of story. Even you haven't questioned his birth documentation.


Taken from the web sight I listed.


"Now, alone in his old house for just the third night since he’d become president, he started rummaging through the boxes, digging, digging, until suddenly he found it: a small, four-paneled paper booklet the world had never seen before. On the front was an ink drawing of Kapi‘olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, in Honolulu. On the back was a picture of a Hawaiian queen. On one inside page were his name, his mother’s name, and his date of birth; on the other were his infant footprints"


I see no mention of Barack H. Obama Sr.'s name mentioned as being placed on the small, four-paneled paper booklet; do you?


ex animo

davidfarrar

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar

"Any time a state natal document  is impeached, a hospital "birth certificate" is then produced."  ANY TIME?  From your REPEATED INABILITY to demonstrate that this has EVER happened, I conclude you are making it up.

You are also making thinks up about Trump: Please cite ONE reporter who authenticated Trump's place of birth.  (And there is LESS information on Trump's souvenir certificate than President Obama's long form.)

You are also making things up about Halperin and Heilemann's book, as they NEVER reported that President Obama's souvenir certificate did not list his father.

But hey: Thanks for admitting that the "Kenyan birth certificate" -- the one being peddled by a convicted forger -- is a fake. 

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@TFBob @david.is.farrar  


Any time a state natal document  is impeached, a hospital "birth certificate" is then produced. If there is no probative value in these records, other records will be called for and sworn testimony is given to establish by a preponderance of the evidence the truth. The truth, after all is all we are seeking to prove.



Trump may have, indeed, waved around a "souvenir" hospital birth certificate, but even Trump's "souvenir" certificate had mountains of independent, corroborative facts on it, about Trump's place and time of birth that allowed reporters to authenticated the state of New York's claim Trump was born when and where he stated. Not so with Obama. 


In fact, you may have heard about Obama finding his own "souvenir" hospital birth certificate, with his name and footprint stamped on it,* along with his mother's name, but not of his father's. We birthers await with bated breath to see if that footprint matches the one stamped on his Kenyan birth certificate, everybody has judged a fake.


ex animo

davidfarrar

* See Mark Halperin and John Heilemann's new book:  "Double-down, how Obama beat the-birthers-in-2012"



ex animo

davidfarrar

*http://todaybooks.today.com/_news/2013/11/04/21304472-double-down-how-obama-beat-the-birthers-in-2012?d=1

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar

Again: NAME A CASE where natal records were supplied because a state-issued birth certificate was not accepted by a court.  ANY CASE.

And Donald Trump originally produced his "souvenir" certificate -- NOT HIS "NATAL RECORDS."  Trump ultimately released his state-issued birth certificate -- JUST LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA. 

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@RafeDamon @david.is.farrar  


I claimed no such thing. I said the judicial notice for calling for substantive evidence to authenticate a state certified document is usually set low because such substantiation is usually quickly remedied by the introduction of the respondent's natal records. 


As an example, remember the case of Donald Trump.   When he chose to publish his birth certificate, he held up his hospital birth certificate. I am sure his legal staff told him to do that, because that is the proper way to authenticate the state, 'official' birth document -- which, if you recalled, the press quickly demanded, and it was quickly produced. Thus he had both the predicate documentation, as well as the state, official document, upon which that evidence was produced.


As to your second point: these are only the minimum requirements. There is nothing in the law that says they have to destroy these records at all. But I will check my notes because I believe Kapiolan'i Hospital has stated they have all the records they are legally required to keep, including the year 1961. So whatever records they were legally required to keep in 1961, by their own admission; that still have, and can, presumably,  still produce if Obama ever sees fit to allow the public that privilege.


ex animo

davidfarrar

RafeDamon
RafeDamon

@david.is.farrar

Please identify, by case caption and jurisdiction, even one of your "all the time" probate court cases in which you claim that a state-certified birth certificate was not accepted as probative evidence and natal records were called for.

As for your claim that Obama's natal birth records still exist, you are making that up. Hospitals in Hawaii are required to maintain "basic information" records for 25 years after the last entry; in the case of minors, the records must be kept until the individual is 43 years old (the age of majority plus 25 years). Haw. Rev. Stat. § 622-58 (2008).

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar "The only evidence you have is an official at the Hawaiian Health Department saying that is what we have in our files, and there is no doubt that is the information they have in their file."


As you've already acknowledged, THAT'S HOW BIRTH CERTIFICATES WORK.  And if a state official certifies it (which happened in the case of President Obama -- twice), then that legal document must be recognized as valid under the U.S. Constitution; there is no special exception for candidates seeking the presidency.  And not only is there is no competent evidence implicating the veracity of Hawaii's documents, there's nothing supporting any other presidential candidate's state-issued documents -- yet you only show concern about President Obama's.


Again: THERE IS NO TWO-CITIZEN-PARENT RULE.  Birthers just made that up.  President Obama can't be faulted for not following a non-existent rule.


And you're welcome for me catching you lying about the TWO McCain cases (as compared to the OVER TWO HUNDRED cases birthers have filed).  McCain privately showed his birth certificate to ONE reporter; that's hardly being "thoroughly examined and cross examined and fully proven by an overwhelming amount of irrefutable evidence to such a degree."

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

@david.is.farrar  "few, if any, as you say, needed to actually be dragged into court to do so, with one exception."


According to over 200 court rulings - every single one, including your frivolous birther hate case - President Obama didn't need to "actually be dragged into court to do so". 


In fact, he wasn't "dragged", subpoenaed, or otherwise compelled to be there, and the empty chair left behind roundly beat your attorney and got your case thrown out of court. 


You were beaten by an empty chair. Because the president and his attorney didn't come. Some "evidence" you had; the judge said none of it had merit. 


Quit lying, you lying liar birther hatemonger.

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@jtmunkus @david.is.farrar @TFBob  


What evidence? The only evidence you have is an official at the Hawaiian Health Department saying that is what we have in our files, and there is no doubt that is the information they have in their file. But as to how it got there, you and I haven't a clue that can be, or has been, substantiated.


As to Article IV, §1, as it pertains to state certified documents, they are to be treated the same in any state would treat their own certified document. I have never suggested we treat the Hawaiian state certified birth document any differently that any court would treat their own certified document. But in instances where the veracity of a state certified document would have far reaching implications for a whole nation, if it can quickly be put to rest by the production of just one independent, corroborative piece of evidence, such as the natal hospital records to substantiate the Hawaiian birth certificate, wouldn't it be better to error on the said of caution? That may sound unreasonable to you, but not to me.


As far as the two-US citizen parent rule is concerned, as I say, the record speaks for itself in this regard. Thus far only Obama has chosen to ignore the rule. Every president has had their histories thoroughly examined and cross examined and fully proven by an overwhelming amount of irrefutable evidence to such a degree, few, if any, as you say, needed to actually be dragged into court to do so, with one exception.


ex animo

davidfarrar

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrar

1. There is no "two-citizen-parent rule" in the U.S. Constitution.  The judge explained this to you when he dismissed your complaint against President Obama.

2. There is no law requiring presidential candidates to prove their eligibility.  And if there was, the certification provided by the State of Hawaii would be sufficient under the U.S. Constitution.

3. I have no idea what you are talking about "no probative value," but no court has ruled the evidence in support of President Obama's Hawaiian birth had no probative value.  The judge in your case, however, slammed the "evidence" submitted on your behalf ... by Orly Taitz.

4.  I am well aware of the numerous suits, the overwhelming majority of which were filed against President Obama; there is no parity.  These birther suits are not the usual "aftermath," as no other candidate has been so repeatedly hauled into court before, during, and after the election.  Taitz's multiple active suits is proof alone of that.

5.  There was nothing "unusual" in the manner in which President Obama produced his birth certificate, other than he was at that time the only candidate to have done so in quite some time.  And no suit against any other candidate was "resolved" by any evidence -- Hollander's and Robinson's suits were both dismissed for lack of standing.

So, again, why do you hate the U.S. Constitution?  And reality?

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

@david.is.farrar @TFBob Farrar: You will never accept any evidence that refutes your fictional claims about constitutional requirements for Obama's presidency, nor admit that you have any idea of what "full faith & credit" means under the constitution. Nor do you understand the term "prima facie" under the law. 


You've repeatedly threatened to be reasonable, but you've backpedaled on those commitments, which - even in light of your lack of facts - makes it impossible to believe a word you say. 


And you are a liar. No other president in the history of the USA ever has been asked for his papers. Dream on, teabag.

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@TFBob @david.is.farrar  


Lastly,


Barack Obama wasn't the only presidential candidate in the 2008 elections sued in federal court over his natural born Citizenship credentials. He wasn't even the first. Those dubious honors belong to John McCain.


This type of questioning isn't at all unusual in the aftermath of a presidential election. What is unusual in this case is the history as presented by Obama, himself, and the length of time he has taken him to produce the necessary evidence to prove by a that he has met his constitutional. You are, perhaps, unaware of these type of questions being asked of other presidential candidates because they are usually quickly resolved by an overwhelming preponderance of the evidence.


ex animo

davidfarrar

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@TFBob @david.is.farrar  


Moreover,


The State of Hawaii has done no such thing. The State of Hawaii has only acknowledged the information contained on Obama's LFBC is the same as they have in their file. This may be sufficient to get a driver's license, or a SS card, but to prove you have met your constitutional burden requires you to prove it.


The difference between competent evidence and incompetent evidence largely depends on the probative value of the evidence tendered. It can be the difference between 'little to no probative value' and 'no probative value',  which, is the case of Obama's state certified birth document.


ex animo

davidfarrar

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@TFBob @david.is.farrar  


Hate? What part of Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born citizen don't you understand?


Every president since G. Washington has observed the two US citizen parent rule, with the exception of Obama*.


ex animo

davidfarrar

*I include Chester Arthur in with the US Presidents who followed the two citizen-parent rule due to the fact that he failed to acknowledge on several occasions the true date of his father's naturalization, and took steps to hide this fact by leaving instructions to burn all of his personal records after his death.


ex animo

davidfarrar

TFBob
TFBob

@david.is.farrarWhy does Farrar hate the U.S. Constitution?  And reality?


The State of Hawaii has repeatedly and expressly stated that President Obama was born there.  Under the U.S. Constitution that is sufficient.


And there is no competent evidence that President Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii.  Yet Farrar is "concerned" about unsubstantiated possibilities.  But his concerns are limited only to Obama.  I wonder why....

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@realitycheck1776 @david.is.farrar  


It done in probate courts all the time when the state certified birth certificate cannot be substantiated, or has no probative value, and there is sufficient prima facie impeachment evidence presented. In such cases the judicial notice of such impeachment evidence is usually set low since proving the positive is usually easily accomplished by the submission of the respondent's natal records.


Kapiolan'i Hospital has stated they have all the records they are legally required to keep, including the year 1961.


ex animo

davidfarrar

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@realitycheck1776 @david.is.farrar  


The newspaper birth announcements were not the third-party private birth announcement paid for by the proud parents, or grandparents of the newborn. These were 'public notices' directly taken from the Hawaiian Health Department index, and, as such, are not independent of Hawaiian Health Department records. Hawaiian Health Department records are not the predicate records. They got their information from somewhere else.


The Barbara Nelson testimony, as it turned out later, didn't actually witness the birth, nor even saw Obama Jr., but was taken as hearsay from a local Hawaiian obstetrician (Dr. Rodney T. West) who supposedly delivered Obama. Of course, this could not have been the case since he had been retired from the practice of obstetric for a number of years prior to 1961. She later remembered further that she had actually heard Dr. West discussing the birth of Obama Jr., he had just learned from reading the local birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspapers.


But, please, don't be discouraged; this is not my intent. I want to "prove" this birth happened when and where Obama states just as much as the most ardent Obama supporter. It's just that I haven't been able to do so with the evidence given at to date.


If you can find any more seemingly 'independent', corroborative evidence, please let me know and I will do my best to try and honesty authenticate it.


ex animo

davidfarrar

realitycheck1776
realitycheck1776

@david.is.farrar@realitycheck1776 You are making stuff up again. Can you cite a single instance where hospital records were required in a case to substantiate a state issued birth certificate?


There is plenty of supporting evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii including newspaper announcements and recollections by people like Barbara Nelson.

RafeDamon
RafeDamon

@david.is.farrar

Natal hospital records? What hospital keeps natal records for 52 years? And when you say "cases such as these," specifically what cases are you referring to? Can you cite even one "case" which was resolved by the production of 50-year-old natal hospital records?

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@realitycheck1776 


You apology is, of course, accepted. But Obama's LFBC is unsubstantiated, that is, there doesn't seem to be one, single, independent*, corroborative piece of evidence that would prove by the preponderance of evidence that Obama was born where and when he states, or that his LFBC states.


In cases such as these, the matter is usually quickly resolved by the production of the natal hospital records. To date we are still waiting for such evidence in Obama's case.


ex animo

davidfarrar 

realitycheck1776
realitycheck1776

@david.is.farrarThere is no evidence that the PDF copy of the LFBC was ever touched by Adobe Photoshop or tampered with in any way.

Do you think it helps your credibility to make unsupported claims like those?

realitycheck1776
realitycheck1776

@david.is.farrar I apologize for having some fun with your  name. I was a take on what you did to yourself over at Birther Think Tank. 

I think you are wrong on about everything but you have never been vicious with your opponents. I think while you are terribly misguided you are sincere.  

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. 

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

@david.is.farrar  Now just imagine what would happen if President Obama took all the lunatic birther haters like exanimo Farrar, to the White House, and personally performed pre-mortem autopsies on all of them, posting their autopsy reports - complete with layers and layers - on whitehouse.gov only after the first annual Necrophilia Night at the White. What would happen? Who would be responsible? I'm just asking questions. 


"You people are all nuts." - John Avlon, Newsweek

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