Coroner Testimony Crushes Cop Lawyer Claims That Kelly Thomas Killed Himself

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Media pool photograph by The Orange County Register
After the savage, fatal battering of Kelly Thomas, Fullerton cop and accused murderer Manny Ramos shows off his little boo-boo
Four days into the sensational Kelly Thomas murder trial, it's clear that defense lawyers for two Fullerton cops accused of criminal conduct in the gory July 2011 police killing will rely largely on half-truths, complete distortions and semi-cleverly spun nonsense to win.

I reported after the Dec. 2 opening statements that John Barnett and Michael Schwartz, lawyers for Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli, declared that a severe, seven-minute attack by a group of cops was not even a minor factor in the death of the unarmed, comparatively small, homeless man.

As if somehow exculpatory for their clients, Barnett and Schwartz proclaim that Thomas (blood-covered, unconscious and horrifically mauled) still had a pulse at the immediate conclusion of the beating.

Though the defense claims Thomas killed himself during the attack by overexerting an enlarged heart and suffering a heart attack, the coroner who performed the autopsy ruled that out as a possibility during today's testimony.

See Also: Read the Full Transcript of the Night Fullerton Police Killed Kelly Thomas

"He died with an enlarged heart," said Dr. Aruna Singhania. "But he didn't die because of an enlarged heart."

Singhania directly attributed the cause of death to what everyone but apologists for police brutality knows: The length and severity of the unnecessary physical attack--including numerous crushing blows to his face--restricted Thomas' oxygen supply.

Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas quickly followed up, asking that at the very time Thomas needed more oxygen during the incident, was his supply "getting less and depleted"?

"That's correct," the veteran coroner replied.

Digital audio records made by police at the scene document the 37-year-old Thomas repeatedly and with ever-increasing exasperation telling the much-heavier officers pummeling him with punches, kicks, baton slams, stomps and Taser gun blasts, "I can't breathe."

See Also: Fullerton Police Lawyers: Kelly Thomas Killed Himself

The defense team has tried to use the declarations to, at best, underscore their laughable assertion that Thomas' complaints of pain at the scene had no merit, and, at worse, to mock the dead man's statement as a lie.

They've even secured testimony that if a person can say he can't breathe, then he's breathing.

But to view Thomas' statement without context is as absurd as holding someone accountable for the literal meaning of the following type of utterances: "I lost my head," "You crack me up," "I have a chip on my shoulder" and "Lend me your ear."

Under an attack that would kill him, Thomas voiced an urgent expression that was ignored by the cops. He wasn't uttering a lie. He was communicating that he felt the horrific sensation of losing critical oxygen.

Guess what, folks?

See also: The Complete Kelly Thomas Killing Archives

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anonymous
anonymous

Really? Really?  Kelly killed himself???  Wow, that attorney is really DESPERATE to find a way to redirect the blame on someone other than his vigilante client, so he blames it on the DEAD victim.  Unbelievable!

fc2479
fc2479

Not Guilty!!!!!!!

Mark Lund
Mark Lund

Tthe same thing that happened to kelly thomas should happen to the officers that are on triall

Mark Lund
Mark Lund

Sure Kelly Thomas Killed himself! Just like police officers are all there to protect us, they do'nt think they are better than the rest of us us, they never do anything wrong, and they never lie.

Sean Douglass
Sean Douglass

And how the fuck did this Eon clown misspell my name when it is right in front of his face? Typical niner fans @.@

Sean Douglass
Sean Douglass

Looks like I made someone finally get how the world works. Yw Fernando. Ofc i'd care but it isn't so I don't give a fuck. Get it? Got it? Awesome!

Tom Jung
Tom Jung

I hope this fucking cop gets killed in prison. Piece of shit

Fernando NinerDawg Ruelas
Fernando NinerDawg Ruelas

Sean, I bet you'd give a shit if it was your brother or your son or other family member. Or maybe if it happened to you nobody would give a fuck.

Jon Lundin
Jon Lundin

I've dealt with Jay Cicenelli on the streets of Fullerton. That guy is a real nut job.

elmoby59
elmoby59

Aww...little Manny got a Boo Boo.

You are going DOWN, asshole.

So is Dead Eye Dick.

Rory Murray
Rory Murray

Aww...Little Manny got a Boo Boo. That surely gives him the right to beat a man to death...

Don Gotti
Don Gotti

He looks like Guillermo from JKL, except, I like Guillermo.

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

Why do you post a picture of the boo boo murderer next to the caption and the main story page.

"You see these fists, they're gonna f**k you up".

 I think that's enough to convict on without a jury trial.

cynthia241
cynthia241

Now wait a minute, Ramos got a boo-boo AND he was forced to drop his donut, that must be factored in here, it was a damn good donut after all. Really, how can these animals fuss over their "injuries" in the aftermath of killing a man? I cannot fathom that this level of evil exists, much less that it wears a uniform and is tasked with protecting and serving the public. Don't forget the FPD's claims to the Register that an officer suffered "broken bones".....later determined untrue, after it was regurgitated without verification by the media (not OCWeekly) 

Walid Azami
Walid Azami

Tiffany Speed Blay look at your town!

Bob Beckman
Bob Beckman

I hope they put these guys away for a long time. No one can convince me that all these cops could not have subdued Thomas without killing him.

fc2479
fc2479

Not Guilty!!!!!!!!

gm0622
gm0622

"medical incompetence" ?

Really?

I seriously hope you boys never ever get injured and need the crew to respond for you.

Jennifer LoveMarque
Jennifer LoveMarque

WHEN ARE THEY GETTING PUT AWAY???? I'M SO SICK OF THIS INJUSTICE!!!!

Jennifer LoveMarque
Jennifer LoveMarque

wow, some little scratch so he deserved death by torture and deformation of his face, i pity this fucking douche bag assasin, wheres the justice? when r they gonna put em in the darkest hole available? WE NEED JUSTICE! WE NEED SAFETY! WE NEED CLOSURE!

carleo
carleo

"Cause of death was anoxic encephalopathy [brain damage or death due to lack of oxygen] due to mechanical chest compression along with blunt cranial and facial injuries [which reduced oxygen to the brain]."

Patti Page
Patti Page

It was murder, anything less I hope they rot. Its so sad.

Sean Douglass
Sean Douglass

Mistake by my phone sorry. Looked like u guys deleted my original post and every post before it lol. Just a little lag, my mistake

carleo
carleo

Dont forget...The sLIED Bar!! 

Kellys Murder would have NEVER happened if Jeanette DeMarco had not placed a fraudulent call to Fullerton Police Dept...that is a FACT!!!"

carleo
carleo

In the harrowing moments before he lost consciousness Kelly Thomas cried out for his dad 31 times.

He yelled "Help me" 26 times.
He cried out "I'm sorry" 15 times.
He used words like please and sir.
He said "OK" 29 times.

We've all heard this and we won't forget.

Justice For Kelly Thomas and the family!!  #GUILTY

carlashworth
carlashworth

 Why is runaway Fullerton Police Chief Sellers and recently retired Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley  getting a pass on their "culture of corruption" that turned a police force into a rogue collection of sexual predators, liars, perjurers, and murderers. Ramos and Cicinelli are not unpredictable, rogue Fullerton police officers. These two men exemplified the policing philosophy of McKinley. A few weeks after the Kelly Thomas beating death by Fullerton PD, McKInley, then a Fullerton city councilman, allowed himself to be interviewed by CNN where he claimed Thomas death result of his poor health. Really? I guess McKinley didn't believe a face swollen beyond recognition, a coma induced by lack of oxygen to the brain due to compression of his chest by his officers was a cause of his condition and demise. McKinley should be on trial with Ramos and Cicinelli because he is responsible for creating the "culture of corruption" that murdered Kelly Thomas.

canycany
canycany

I just hope that no one--those who support the cop and those that don't--ever has to face this same kind of horrible beating from a cop. Cops need to respect the law and, if they are inclined to beat the life out of someone, it's limitations; which means no,  you cannot beat anyone to death. 


These cops are getting a trial by a jury of their peers. Too bad Thomas Kelly didn't get the same opportunity; something stolen from him by those sworn to uphold the law.  

Dave Tucker
Dave Tucker

Is this the same "John Barnett" who was a judge in the O.C. Court system for many of years that put away scum like Ramos?

anonymous
anonymous

and we ALL know that they are TRIGGER HAPPY VIGILANTES IN UNIFORM.


tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

@cynthia241 He sure as hell didn't protect or serve Kelly Thomas did he. They are there to enforce the law and killing an unarmed man is not enforcing the law when you beat him to death AFTER you attacked him and caused asphixiation. The video shows Ramos attacking Thomas but now Thomas has no defense.

jbsdaddy601
jbsdaddy601

@fc2479 Go back to your slop and pen you disgusting excuse for a human.

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

@fc2479 Exsqueeze Me, Not Guilty for swinging a club at an unarmed man and attacking him for something that they had no proof of? Where do you get that idea from fc2479.

carleo
carleo

He is a scumbag lawyer that always defends crooked cops- he defended the cops in the Rodney King Trial and defended a pedo-cop!

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