Could the 9/11 Memorial on Firefighter Scott Townley's Front Yard in Fullerton Offend Some?

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More power to Orange County Fire Authority firefighter Scott Townley, whose front yard in Fullerton becomes an annual memorial to 2,977 people who perished in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, including 343 New York City firefighters.

But part of the display, which includes crosses, American flags and a scroll of names, could be offensive to the families of some victims.

As KTLA/Channel 5's Lynette Romero reported this morning, the display has American flags dotting one side of Townley's green lawn. Scrawled onto each are the names of civilian victims of 9/11. The other side of the lawn displays white crosses with names written on them as well.

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"Each cross represents one of the firefighters, the police and the Port Authority officers," Townley reportedly said of this year's version of the memorial he has displayed annually since 2001. He went on to explain each person named on the markers "has a special connection to me--especially the firefighters, because I have a special connection to them, from the West Coast to the East Coast."

Setting aside late, great comedian Bill Hicks' joke about Jesus Christ possibly being offended if he came back to find the wood planks he was nailed to being so ubiquitous as if to mock his death, one ... uh ... prays Townley knows the spiritual beliefs of each first responder honored on a cross.

The cross is widely mis-viewed as the international symbol of death and honoring the deceased. It's actually the international symbol of Christian death and honoring the Christian deceased. If Townley only includes the names of known Christians on crosses, fine. If not, some might have a problem.

But no one would question Townley's heart is in the right place.

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sweetliberty17761776
sweetliberty17761776 topcommenter

sure it is a fair point


and maybe the good hearted gent will try and find out


BUT 


a) it doesnt matter, he has a right to do this 


b) offended?????


ALL PEOPLE CANT BE PLEASED ALL THE TIME


and this political correct Cloward Piven act has been allowed to become the norm and only those that wield the "power" and are of the


"Correct" race/ political party need to be sent back to their rooms and let the adults take back over


the tail doesnt wag the dog


and the children are not allowed to run society


B/C as you can see, they are , and the results are destroying the USA

Kevin Conner
Kevin Conner

lol this is a joke, why not write a story 'could aliens exist in area 51?'

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

"The people have a right to protect themselves from the police". - OCDA Tony Rackaukas - KFI News Radio 640 in 2011

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

"This country called America was "NOT FOUNDED" on the CHRISTIAN RELIGION - PERIOD.

"It does me no good for a man to say that there is one God or no God, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg". - Thomas Jefferson

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

and really why should we really care because their cops beat up and killed a mentally ill man a few years ago. This is the reaction of the people that they claim are there to protect and to serve in Fullerton.

"The people have a right to protect themselves from the police". - OCDA Tony Rackaukas - KFI News Radio 640 in 2011

I call him "2 Faced Tony".

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

Hey Jesus Christ was an agnostic.

"It is not me that is blaming me and saying these things about myself, it is your leaders". - Jesus -

Yes he said this to his diciples.

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

It was because the US Government was meddling in the affairs of the Muslim nations. They even admitted it.

Stephen Netherlain
Stephen Netherlain

I'm very sensitive to religious freedom, and respect everyone's rights to follow their religions or to not have one. This man isn't offending anyone. They are HIS crosses and represent his beliefs. If a Jew wants to honor this Catholic by placing my name on the Star of David, I'll thank that person...for instance.

Jeanette Champion-Fanning
Jeanette Champion-Fanning

My husband and I stumbled across Mr. Townley's memorial yesterday while enjoying a late night bike ride. As a person that does not believe in religion, I found his tribute to be loving & thoughtful.

MatthewTCoker
MatthewTCoker topcommenter

Here is what the wife of a WWII vet recently said about a similar memorial: "I never thought of myself as being subversive. I never thought of myself as being religious, either. But I am of the Jewish persuasion and I strongly object to my spouse – or any of my loved ones – being 'honored' in the shadow of a Christian object. ... My husband was in WWII; he fought along side Christians, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists etc. So why is only one religious symbol displayed?"

trostteri
trostteri

It should! We all should be more than offended that our government acting in unison with the private bankers in order to enrage the masses into pro war attitude killed our men women mothers fathers brothers sisters on and on many who are still dying from exposure to the toxic dust that engulfed the whole of Manhattan and beyond! Yes they will and should be offended but not with this man!

Rick Hale
Rick Hale

Uh.... none that I know of. "Religion hating, OC Weekly readers" means that a segment of OC Weekly readers hates religion. Now, rather than call you a moron for not comprehending, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as having been thrown off by my lack of a comma in the original post, and I'll take the blame, even though I doubt that is what caused the confusion. Believe me, I'm made crazy on a daily basis by the spelling, poor grammar, and poor mechanics of people on the internet, but jumping on that one missing comma is pretty petty.

chubsterrubster
chubsterrubster

If it's their yard, who cares? Especially if it's only for a few days. I would stop by to see it and leave a flag or flower.

Von Henchy
Von Henchy

Rick - I belong to no religion - but curious what religion hates OC Weekly readers?

DaniGirl949
DaniGirl949

Who cares if it offends some. I'll tell you what is offensive..... some nutjob(s) flying two planes into the twin towers and another plane into the pentagon and killing  innocent lives!

Von Henchy
Von Henchy

I wouldn't think so - at least not a "real" American..maybe a Muslim prick - but who cares about those a-holes..?

Nita Charlton
Nita Charlton

It better NOT be offensive to anyone LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

Jenny Wilson
Jenny Wilson

Reporter just trying to make something about nothing. How ridiculous.

Patti Page
Patti Page

Awesome Scott. If what you do offends anyone, they have the problem. Thank you for your service and compassion for humans.

Rick Hale
Rick Hale

Could it offend some? I actually expect many, many people to be offended. Many of whom might be religion hating OC Weekly readers. You know, given crosses are a symbol of religion.

ben07
ben07

I am not in favor of Christianity or any other religion for that matter, but this is just a man who wants to show some respect for his fellow fire fighters and people who lost their lives on 911 and those who died due to complications from the after effects of 911. 

Maybe he is a Christian? Doen't even matter if he is or not ... I think he just cares.

It's really not that complicated. If you have a problem by this then you probably have a problem with just about everything.

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

Classic. Stop and smell the roses, but also point out the thorns the dirt the bugs right? Why can't people just appreciate this man's honest try to render tribute to people he never met. And since the writer seems to be trying to stir something up, why not point out that some flags in this tribute should be from another country because a small portion of victims were citizens of another country. Stop, smell the roses and move on. USA! USA! USA!

JGlanton
JGlanton topcommenter

Are 9/11 victims actually complaining, or is this just another flacid example of a reporter trying to conjure up religious grievance theatre to create a story?

Would have been a great story about a fine local man honoring victims and brothers in his profession. He has to choose a symbol, so he chooses one that best honors them in his mind and shows his love for the victims. If a viewer chooses to take some offense in this man's love, they are a selfish, miserable, small-minded person.  

roadog57
roadog57

Its their memorial, they can do what they want. I am an atheist, but this is not my memorial so not myself nor anyone else should dictate what they choose to do on their property. If it offends you, just don't go.

sweetliberty17761776
sweetliberty17761776 topcommenter

@tongue_twister_for_t 


if the muslims are running the show then yes it was an inside job


the muslims who hijacked the plane or caused that "workplace violence" are in fact ON THE INSIDE


its just that those on the outside feared doing the right thing about those "insiders"


same way they acted with hitler


history repeating itself

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

It's because the Christians are hypocrites.

Even Jesus himself said it:

"All of the people that teach in the synagogues (churches) and on the streets are hypocrites, for they like and even love to stand in those very places to pray out loud in order to garner attention to themselves, I tell you the truth they have recieved thier rewards in full".

"God is an invisable spirit that cannot be seen by human eyes". - You are a human so you cannot see God because he's invisable and does not exist.

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

No it was imploded on purpose because it fell before the first tower collapsed because it held secret documents inside it that implicated the Bush's and thier cronies in crimes that were in the secret vaults that were in the FBI and CIA offices that were located inside that building. There are videos showing this in detail. Not a conspiracy theory.

lowrodin69
lowrodin69

@Xander Lombardo there you go again with your lizard people conspiracies. Go home Eric your drunk....or high.....most likely high

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

Oh stop being a perfectionist asshole with the spelling a grammar crap, it's unnerving. Why does everyone have to be so assinine. Pobody's Nerfect!

Even Jesus himself said it:

"All of the people that teach in the synagogues (churches) and on the streets are hypocrites, for they like and even love to stand in those very places to pray out loud in order to garner attention to themselves, "I tell you the truth they have recieved thier rewards in full".

"God is an invisable spirit that cannot be seen by human eyes". - You are a human so you cannot see God because he's invisable and does not exist.

Jay440
Jay440

I hate that term "real american". It is just another way to define American ways in an Anglo Saxon Christian light. And don't come question me: I'm mostly of Native American heritage.

MatthewTCoker
MatthewTCoker topcommenter

@Akiliano Alvarez I don't know, just raising the question. It would bother me if I was devout non-Christian.

MatthewTCoker
MatthewTCoker topcommenter

@roadog57 I haven't but only because I don't know where it is other than Fullerton and I look too much like Kelly Thomas to travel alone there. The firefighter has the right to put a memorial on his lawn just like people have the right to be offended. Truth be told, I'd PREFER his memorial up permanently to the crap one of my neighbors has in his front yard.

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