Hearing Today Over Lawsuit Asking for Anaheim District Elections--YAWN...

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Today in Orange County Superior Court, a judge will hear arguments in favor for and against an ACLU-filed lawsuit seeking to turn Anaheim's at-large electoral system for City Council races into a district system that the lawsuit says will help out Mexi candidates. And while we don't mind the desired outcome of the ACLU, we continue to maintain that the lawsuit is just a charade to get a certain type of Latino--progressive, union-friendly, Disney-hating, and answering to Los Amigos--on the council, as opposed to truly caring about minority representation leading Anaheim. Similarly, the excuses offered by the majority of the Anaheim City Council to not institute district elections are pathetic and offered solely to keep liberal Latinos off the council.

Meanwhile, the two clowns that have emerged as the figureheads for each side of the argument--Anaheim City School District member (and OC Weekly Scariest People 2012 inductee) Jose Moreno and Anaheim councilwoman Kris Murray appeared on KCRW-FM 89.9's To the Point with Warren Olney yesterday to debate their positions.

Here's the audio, right at the beginning:

Moreno easily beat Murray in the debate, if only because Murray has no tenable argument and possesses the intellectual capacity of hired stooge Matt Cunningham. Of course, he couldn't help but to distort again his group's history in this whole mess by trying to cast former councilmember Richard Chavez as a tool of corporate interests even though Chavez was Los Amigos-approved. And Moreno tried to cast himself as coming from a poor ZIP Code, even though his two-story house is in one of the nicer pockets of 92801. But Murray was worse, coming off as the smug pendeja that she is by trying to cast herself as the voice of the people even though everyone knows she's a Curt Pringle puppet and a Disney tool bar none.

We'll see what the judge decides today, but one thing's for certain: my beloved hometown is going to continue to be in the clutch of demagogues one way or another.

Email: garellano@ocweekly.com. Twitter: @gustavoarellano.

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Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

If dividing a city into districts is good, then dividing a city into separate cities is better. The property tax base of 'Anaheim' Hills is more than enough to take care of the place. The schools are already in Orange Unified, rather than the abysmal Anaheim Union.

¡Viva los Altos de Anaheim libre!

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

And THAT, OC Latinos, is what happens to you if you don't kiss Gustavo's ass.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamond Bloviator: go back to penning your dense, lifeless posts on a city you didn't give a shit about until last year. And, for the record, everyone knows not to butter up to me because, unlike you and Vern, it doesn't work on me.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano Hey, only one of us two ever abandoned Anaheim -- and it wasn't me.  (Besides what do you know about "giving a shit" about anything other climbing the career ladder?)

Everyone knows not to *cross* you because you'll hold a grudge and don't care how stupid it makes you look so long as you can still trade on your ethnicity and echón attitude.  Not giving you the shit you deserve should count as "buttering you up."

(By the way: calling Dr. Moreno a "clown" -- hilarious!  But if you really want to engage in projection, try calling someone a puñetón.)

P.S.  Please, for your own health and safety, you personally should not read my stuff.  If you find a court hearing on voting rights something worth a loud yawn, then who knows what actual detailed analysis about voting rights could do to your tender brain.  Take care of that melon, we still need you for good old comic relief -- you know, what you do well.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano @gregdiamond Wait -- you're talking about the guy who argued Mendez v. Westminster back in the 1940s?  I thought that you would have meant someone contemporary -- in retrospect, I should have known it would be someone long dead.  (There is a David C. Marcus who is evidently a successful partner at the LA branch office of a top national law firm, who would probably be surprised to find himself mentioned here.)

No, I don't think that I'm the long-gone David C. Marcus -- and that is a very weird accusation to make.  It's the 2010s, Gustavo; try to focus.  History is happening right now -- and you're just in the way.  I'm just one of the guys who's going to help win the case against Anaheim -- in my case, just as a volunteer working on my own -- while you watch from the sidelines.

That you don't know the definition of "bloviate" is your problem.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

@gregdiamond "Here's the difference: who's taking a political risk here, me, by standing against people who are trying to keep people from power right now, or you, in criticizing people who were already into adulthood 90 years ago and whose cause is no longer present here?"

!Jo, jo, jo! Comme on di "moted' en castellaño?

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamondThat you had to look up who Marcus was, Bloviator, shows the caliber of activist you are. Your writing and arguments are emptier than your campaign coffers, so the Bloviator moniker stands.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamondRigheimer and Lalloway on our tab? Preposterous. Agran is a fool who robbed many an election, and Lalloway is no better. Riggy is evil, but his attempted setup by the police union firm's PI was inexcusable.

You can call me whatever you want—I actually don't care. I just find it funny that when you do use insults, it's always of the homophobic variety. Last time I pointed it out, you did this apologetic charade; glad you're not ashamed of your word choices anymore.

And of course you bloviate—but that others talk to you about my Spanish just proves my point about what a pathetic, petty lot y'all are. Gracias!

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano Well, if you wanted to get me to look up David C. Marcus to see how the hell his name got into the conversation, it worked -- but I still don't get why you mention him.  Law's my second career (after academia)  -- and I did not want to be on partner track for big firm commercial work.

My challenge to you on explaining the deficiencies in the City's expert witness in three sentences report stands.  (Or to be fair, take 300 sentences if you need them.)

Yeah, I'm not brief (although I think you mean "succinct.".  But "bloviation" refers to empty speech; it's not the same as prolix, verbose, or garrulous.  I'd cop to any of those.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano OK, I'm backing away from you slowly now.  (By the way: by your standards, is Righeimer Mussolini -- or is it Lalloway?  They're both on your tab.)

So "puñetón" isa really, really bad thing to call you?  OK, I can live with that.  Want me to go back to puto and cabron and such, like you do in your columns?

I'm just passing on what I've heard about your Spanish -- but I like your comparison!  I don't actually bloviate -- your saying so, rather than engaging what I say, doesn't make it true -- so it follows that you're not actually that fluent.  No shame in that, I suppose.

Buenos noches.  (It means "good night.")

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamondAnd here's the Bloviator justifying his bloviating by pretending to be David C. Marcus! No one needs your "legal" "expertise" and definitely not your "political science" insight. All your bloviating showed was how long you stare at yourself in the mirror every morning. Brevity: thy name ain't the Bloviator.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamondAll you offer are excuses for the inexcusable. The Vichy government also had common interests with Hitler—and, yes, I just compared Pringle to Hitler, a comparison that anyone who even knows an iota of him would acknowledge. Does that make that alliance okay? Of course not. 

And insulting my Spanish? I'm as fluent in it as your are in bloviating. Go on—go to a Mexican man and call him a puñeton. Let's see how he'll react.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano Oh, please, Gustavo!  If you think that the Demographer's Report can be kicked to crap in just three sentences to the satisfaction of a trial court, let's see you do it.  I'm going to love this!

Note in my defense that I'm also trying to explain it to a lay audience trying to follow the logic of the argument rather than your relying on your kind of "'strue cuz I say so!"  (Judges don't actually respect that.)  Before the next election, I want the public to understand how badly their Council members wasted their money here.

So, would you like us just to pretend that you never said that or are you up for the challenge?  Three sentences shouldn't take you long at all; you can have it in this week's print issue.  (Or you can just slink away from the challenge.  Why not have one more echón at the Weekly?)

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano So what?  Supporting him at one point when they had common interests is not "ushering him into power."  Someone can be lousy and still be the better choice in a given election.  Adults know that.  (You still get credit for the creeps running Costa Mesa and Irvine, though.  When you actually take a stand in favor of someone, it's usually the wrong one.

(I don't even know the people at Los Alizales.  Why would I call them puñetónes? So far as I know, they're not the wankers; you are.

Anyway, I'd only trust your word regarding obscene Mexican idioms if you were actually fluent in Spanish.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamond That the Bloviator thinks he's "kicking the crap" out of that laughable report by writing in four bloviating posts what could be done in three sentences is just further proof of how much he admires his own shit. Porcelain throne, indeed...

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamond BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. We were blasting Pringle and his goons when your beloved Jose and his crew were singing his praises in the LA Times, and we have never wavered from that. It wasn't our paper who helped to usher him into power; it was Los Amigos. And that you think puñeton means "wanker" again shows how truly pendejo you are. Go call someone that at Los Alizales, and see how nicely someone treats you.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@18usc241 Really?  You think that racist tendencies are conveyed in semen and ova?  That's funny -- I think that the KKK did as well.

I think that the problem is more that people are greedy and xenophobic, including in areas where they have never even heard of the KKK.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@gabrielsanroman Again: wut?  I knew that it was either an exaggeration or that you'd gone insane, but your evidence for the exaggeration seems to be that you wrote it.  I'm happy to take credit for what I do; I don't need to exaggerate it.

The "agenda of your journalism" has become unfortunately clear, San Echón: to be the remora on the back of Gustavo's shark.

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

The problem with the now deceased KKK of 90 years ago is that they procreated - and the children of the corn are now influential adults in Anaheim/Garden Grove.

gabrielsanroman
gabrielsanroman topcommenter

@gregdiamond Bloviator, you won't ever set the agenda of my journalism. Ha! The proclamation comment was purposeful exaggeration, one proven out by your warped sense of self-importance.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@gabrielsanroman -- Huh-huh-huh -- wut?

No, I've been working on kicking the crap out of the so-called "expert report" on which (as stated in court today) the defense of the City Council's "Murrjority" (I license that term to you)  primarily rests.  It's not Lincoln freeing the slaves level work, but I'll settle for just being a useful expert commentator (if not witness.)

Tell you what, San Echón,  You get ahold of the Demographer's Report and do your own critique of it -- maybe even get some other social scientists in the area to pitch in.  Make yourself useful instead of being a poseur.  It could be good journalism -- and you have a wider audience than I do.  Take the dare.

gregdiamond
gregdiamond

@GustavoArellano You've said that you didn't comment on Anaheim for years to protect your family.  Was that because nothing was wrong?  If not, then you had a forum and you didn't use it to improve the city.  Categorize it as you will.

I think that it's homophobic (and not all that latent) for you to suggest that a word that means, in essence, "wanker" applies solely -- or even disproportionately -- to homosexuals.  (I want credit for not mentioning your glasses here in that context.)

My connection to this city is that I got politically involved in it, at some political risk and cost, at a time of crisis -- participating in and helping to document demonstrations and, even right now, trying to hold the Council accountable about something that you profess makes you yawn.

Wanting to see the business interests in the city act fairly -- not go away, not suffer, not be decimated, but simply not loot the public till and not stack the deck politically against those with less pwoer -- may strike you as "self-serving," but that's sure not how it feels to me.  It feels like, in taking on people with lots of money and a great capacity and willingness, I'm engaged with many others -- including the ones you just spat on of our what sounds like pettiness -- in a righteous cause.

You know what that's like, because you do it yourself.  You think that exposing the racist history of the KKK in Anaheim is a righteous cause -- and to some extent it is.  Here's the difference: who's taking a political risk here, me, by standing against people who are trying to keep people from power right now, or you, in criticizing people who were already into adulthood 90 years ago and whose cause is no longer present here?

Be braver, Gustavo.  It will make you a better journalist.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

@gregdiamond I've never abandoned Anaheim, Bloviator. You have no connection to this city whatsoever other than for self-serving reasons. Us Mirandas, on the other hand, have been here for about a century—and we ain't going nowhere. By the way, always great to see your latent homophobia pop  up again and again!

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