Karen Elaine Hanover, Accused Fraudster, Loses Appeal of FBI "Spoofing" Conviction

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A couple months ago, this Navel Gazer allowed Karen Elaine Hanover, a Seal Beach real estate agent accused in federal court of running an investment fraud scam, to vent about what she claimed was misconduct by her prosecutor. She further alleged her victims had previously done to her what she was found guilty of doing to them.

That post was after several I reported on Hanover's alleged misdeeds. And one victim later let me know in a private email how chagrined she was at me for giving Hanover a forum.

My feeling was, allow Hanover to express herself and then see where the legal chips fall. As Andrew Stolper, the former prosecutor Hanover accused of misconduct, informed me the other day, some of those chips have fallen hard on the accused.

Besides facing trial for alleged mail fraud for a commercial property investment scam that conned 50 marks out of nearly $2 million, Hanover was accused in a related complaint of terrorizing fraud victims.

When some of those losing money began making noise about being ripped off, Hanover called them via "spoofing" technology that made the number appear on caller I.D. as the FBI office in Los Angeles and it gave the 46-year-old woman a man's voice. Impersonating an FBI agent, Hanover confronted the folks over the phone.

Hanover was convicted of using spoofing technology to impersonate an FBI agent, sentenced to six months in jail and fined $5,000 ...

Karen Elaine Hanover, Once Looking at 40 Years in Spoofing Case, Gets 6 Months in Jail

... with the more serious fraud counts still hanging over her.

Karen Elaine Hanover, Already Convicted for Posing as FBI Agent, Indicted for Mail Fraud

But there is a divergence of opinion that the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles has never bothered to sort out for me, despite repeated attempts for clarification. The office's original press release claimed Hanover had posed as a bureau agent to "intimidate" the victims. She claims that was never proven and an obstruction of justice count based on that allegation was tossed.

In that March post, she furthered alleged she only posed as an FBI agent because some victims had done that to her first. Meanwhile, she wrote on her own blog that she had been wrongfully prosecuted and that the feds were spreading misinformation.

Karen Elaine Hanover, Convicted FBI "Spoofer," Claims Hers Were Retaliatory Spoofs

Hanover took particular delight in a recent Navel Gazing post about an ex-Broadcom official's talk about his book that states he was a victim of government persecution in the Santa Ana federal courthouse, singling out Stolper for scorn.

William Ruehle, Ex-Broadcom CFO, Shares His Amazing Government Persecution Story at UCI

Now it is Stolper who gets to take delight in the most recent legal setback for Hanover.


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Anonymous
Anonymous

I stumbled onto this website and almost jumped out of my chair when I saw Ms Hanover convicted. 

I had personal experience with this woman when she was my slumlord years ago.  She basically scammed us out of our deposit.  Subsequently, we found out we weren't the first to suffer from her abuse of her position as a landlord.  In recalling the situation, the odd thing about her was her mental state.  I would swear I was dealing with someone with a severe mental disorder.  The lies and groundless threats were unbelievable.  She truly seemed crazy. 

Though I don't have any input on the spoofing, I can say from personal experience that Karen is just not a good person.  I was only stiffed out of $1,500.  It stung at the time but my heart really bleeds for those who lost so much at her evil hands.  If she only got 6months and a $5,000 fine, the punishment was way too light. 

debbieciampi
debbieciampi

Karen Hanover is all over the inter net posting crazy stories once again.....

I think I finally figured it out she is going for the INSANITY PLEA............

debbieciampi
debbieciampi

@Karen Hanover, The technology proved you are the SPOOFER. The F.B.I. proved all this in there case.  If there is documentation of me ever spoofing from a company put it up on this blog. You will never find it because it did not happen. Also if you were retaliating  from my alleged spoofing I would have been spoofed by you. This never happened ..... proving your story once again is another lie. In case you have not figured it out yet I am not putting up with your lies and threats and you defaming me on the inter net. Anything you post goes to the F.B.I. to futher strengthen their case against you. Instead of continuing to make unfounded accusations and  bullying innocent people how about apologizing to the list of people you have threatened.   

debbieciampi
debbieciampi

@Karen Hanover.....You are a liar....plain and simple.

"I HAVE NRVER SPOOFED ANYONE IN MY LIFE".  Would not even know how!  If I spoofed anyone I guess I would have been where you went for 6 months JAIL.You however have PRETENDED to be me on one of you ridiculous web sites. Bought my domaine name DebbieCiampi.com for 2 years to ruin me. That e-mail is in your spoofing trial. Threatened me in texts that you would own all my property. You are a bully that continues to blame everyone else for all your actions. You are mad at yourself because you did yourself in. You are right about one thing. "You have no one else to blame but yourself."

Hanover
Hanover

Judge Josephine Staton Tucker found me NOT guilty of making threats and acquitted me accordingly.  The threats are what comprised the obstruction charges.  Again, I was found NOT guilty yet the journalists continue to print misinformation about threats being made.

As the call was not recorded, there is no definitive evidence as to what was said during that call.  The only "evidence" of threats being made is Rebecca Smith's statements of same.  See what other SCANDALOUS comments Rebecca Smith had to say about me under oath!  And notice how her story changes from her original comments on a blog just moments after the call.  http://karenhanover.info/rebecca-smith-gloats-about-lying-to-smear-hanover/

Additionally, despite the government putting on evidence of fraud during the last trial, Judge Tucker opined at sentencing that the government had NOT demonstrated fraud even by clear and convincing evidence, a lower standard of proof than the required "beyond reasonable doubt." 

Regardless, when my associate, Jill Duggan and I received the spoof calls and I discovered they were false, I made a VERY immature decision to show them I knew about their scheme and I did the same thing back.  Evidence uncovered during the trial shows that Debbie Ciampi of Florida made the spoof calls to me and Duggan.  I allowed myself to be sucked in and I have nobody to blame but myself.  I will now have to live forever with the consequences of that terrible decision.  I've taken my defense to a higher level and been denied.  I accept this legal decision and am moving on.  Again, I have no one to blame but myself.

Hanover
Hanover

Judge Josephine Staton Tucker found me NOT guilty of making threats and acquitted me accordingly.  The threats are what comprised the obstruction charges.  Again, I was found NOT guilty.

As the call was not recorded, there is no definitive evidence as to what was said during that call.  The only "evidence" of threats being made is Rebecca Smith's statements of same.  See what other SCANDALOUS comments Rebecca Smith had to say about me under oath!  And notice how her story changes from her original comments on a blog just moments after the call.  http://karenhanover.info/rebecca-smith-gloats-about-lying-to-smear-hanover/


womanfromsd
womanfromsd

@Hanover

@Hanover (Karen),

 Your loose interpretation of the facts is mind-boggling.

 You continue to trash Rebecca Smith all over the internet, but at your sentencing hearing you said, “The first thing I had wanted to do was apologize to Rebecca, but she’s not here.  I have no ill will toward her.  I made a stupid mistake.  I should have never called her….I can’t even imagine the fear I instilled into her, and I am very sorry to her.”  (Pacer Doc. 119, pages 16 and 17).

 During the same hearing, Judge Josephine Staton Tucker said, “Ms. Hanover has a pattern – alternate pattern, actually, of using charm and charisma to gain the trust and sympathy of others in order to benefit herself financially.”  (Pacer Doc. 119, page 25).

 The judge goes on to say, “Ms. Hanover has demonstrated a continuing denial of responsibility for her actions throughout the course of proceedings of this proceeding.  Even in the sentencing submission, despite the fact that this was evidence in the record of the video of one of her real estate seminars, a seminar at which she described her Fastrack program and the guarantees made therein, Ms. Hanover continues to gloss over and downplay the nature of the promises that were made to the participants in that program.” (Pacer Doc. 119, page 26).

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