Matthew Warren's Suicide Turns into Self-Serving Referendum on His Father by His Haters and Their Haters

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First and foremost, our thoughts and prayers go out to the loved ones of Matthew David Warren, the youngest son of Rick and Kay Warren of Purpose-Driven Life Fame, who died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound this past Friday. There's been an outpouring of support, thoughts, and prayers from anyone with a pure heart--but in this day and age, that's essentially six people somewhere in Albuquerque.

We're no fans of Rick at the Weekly, but we take no schaudenfreude in the passing of his son--only the Warrens know the pain that Matthew went through in his life (which Rick said was caused by lifelong mental illness), and frankly, it's their business. Too bad others can't follow our lead: over the weekend, Matthew's death, instead of serving as a reminder of the frailty of life, has turned into a referendum of how people feel about Rick--in other words, an exercise in self-reflection, on a story that only involves the Warrens.

Right now, it seems half of the Internet is using Matthew's death to tee off against his father because--take your pick--Rick has preached against homosexuality, because Rick believes in God, because Rick never spoke about his son's illness and thus could've been an advocate for mental causes like he's been for so much, because Rick was a neglectful father blah blah blah. Even crazier is rampant speculation that Matthew took his life because he was gay, an assertion with no proof whatsoever but one that's popping up in comments and blog posts.

But the reaction to the reaction has hardly been better. Those people who hate the people who hate Rick are trashing the haters and attributing their ill-timed remarks to--take your pick--liberalism, the homosexual agenda, or atheism. The worst of all came from a website run by the reprehensible Michelle Malkin--in trashing Warren's opportunistic haters, they mocked the "It Gets Better" campaign started by Dan Savage to console gay teens with suicidal thoughts. Trashing people who use a suicide for their own agenda by mocking suicidal teens? CLASSY.

Enough with the agendas--everyone. There'll be time to hate on Rick Warren and to hate on the haters of Warren, and to hate ourselves into the Armageddon we deserve for our mutual self-serving circle jerks--but it ain't it now. Let the kid rest in peace, for chrissakes...

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conniekoski
conniekoski

MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE WARRENS...NO MATTER YOUR RELIGION, POLITICAL BENT, OR SOCIAL STANDING...TO LOSE A CHILD THIS WAY (OR ANY WAY FOR THAT MATTER) IS THE EPITOME OF PAIN AND SUFFERING.   TO OFFER ANYTHING OTHER THAN CONDOLENCES, PRAYERS AND WHATEVER SUPPORT YOU CAN TO THE FAMILY IS INHUMANE AND HEARTLESS!

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

I find myself in total agreement with Arellano.

Barbara Louise Brusehaber McMurray
Barbara Louise Brusehaber McMurray

Those are some mighty big leaps of logic, Brennan King. This child battled serious mental illness from a young age. That doesn't mean he killed himself because he was gay and his father therefore hated him. Stand down.

Jennifer Patalsky
Jennifer Patalsky

There should have been an 11th Commandment: Thou shall NOT HATE

949girl
949girl topcommenter

Nice article!  RIP Matthew Warren.  I'm so sorry to hear about this. 

Billy Yank
Billy Yank

I'm fairly sure that nothing anyone does, in the name of any agenda, will have any effect on his resting, peacefully or otherwise. Death is pretty static, after all.

Lajimmy
Lajimmy

Classy Article Gus................

miximouse
miximouse

Wow, there are some really sick people in the world who would ever make fun of this young man.  Like his dad said he could be in a room an look around and his instinct told him who was hurting and would go to them.  No one know that feeling of needing compassion unless you have felt this level of pain.  I know a lot of famous ministers are made fun of and with due respect but this is not one of them.   And frankly who gives a darn what his parents represented this kid suffered.  I know personally the pain this kid when through and I am here to tell you I am no baby by any standards.  And the pain....and believe me its horrible.....is worse by far then any major operation I have ever had.  I am manic depressive and have suppered many years, well really sense I was a kid but never really knew any different.  But I had a breakdown a about 5 years ago that lead to 5 months of hell.  I am one of the lucky ones though.  I had a younger sister who had the same illness who had been drawn into hospitalizations 4 to 5 times.  With out her telling pretty much what to expect I know I would have killed myself.  No way would I have ever been able to hold on.  This kid held on for as long as he could.  No one kills themselves unless they are in incredible pain.  Yes, you feel sorry for yourself but in turn there is no way of lifting yourself past it.  So this courageous kid who suffer long had the courage to take his own life. I am glad this kid is in peace he deserves us.  And believe me if you have never had this illness you could never and I mean never understand it nor walk in this kids shoes.  God be with this darling soul.

Kim Dyer London
Kim Dyer London

You're right Greg. If there is anything you can do to prevent someone you cherish from harming themselves, then of course. But obviously other things are out of our hands. I've also heard to get rid or hide knives and scissors. (From intelligent medical professionals Andrew. Don't need your heartless comments. I hope you never go through something like this, as I have).

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

Greg ridge: way to throw guns into the debate also. There is no golden moment when stepping in front of a bus or off a bridge, should we get rid of those too?

twiner
twiner

Well said Gustavo!

Greg Ridge
Greg Ridge

If you or a close family member suffers from depression, get rid of your guns. I listened to a Leader of the Brady Campaign OC Chapter speak a few months ago. There are no close calls or attempted suicides when a gun is involved. Many suicide victims have a moment of clarity during their attempts. Some call 911, or turn off the cars exhaust, but when a gun is involved there is no "golden moment" where they can change their minds. Get rid of the guns, chances are the only one that will be killed will be someone close to you. Prayers for the Warrens.

Xavier Bufforpington
Xavier Bufforpington

I like pie, Black Metal ist Krieg and Rick Warren is a big yucky poophead :P

Eric Romero
Eric Romero

PERSONAL STORY---- READ.. I am going to share one personal story with you that I hope will clear the air..... After coming back from doing combat missions in the middle east, I had trouble readjusting to getting back to normal living. My parents were no help either, my dad was a drunk and my mom was an angry woman. I was on a crash coarse to suicide. Til one day, I had enough. After calling my dad and telling him I needed to talk and him picking me up and taking me to get drunk with him, it didn't help. After I was done drinking with my dad, I drove straight to the CVS and picked up a bottle of NyQuil gel tabs and took the whole bottle. I drove to my moms house and once I got there I was met with her screaming at me "what did you do you stupid idiot?" As I laid there on the ground dying, she didn't have no choice but to stop yelling at me but to call 911 or I would die. After getting my stomach pumped and laying there in the hospital bed, I went to the restroom and looked in the mirror. I don't know if many of you have ever seen a person who looses oxygen to their brain but all the blood vessels popped in my face and eyes and my face was dark purple. It was then I realized that, MY LIFE .....IS NOT MY LIFE TO TAKE! IT IS GODS LIFE TO LIVE AND THAT I DON'T LIVE FOR MY OWN REASONS BUT FOR GODS PURPOSE....A PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE!! Here is what I also realized and accept about the day I attempted to take my own life....I actually thought my face was going to stay like that for the rest of my life and it was then I said to myself " If this is the way I am going to look for the rest of my life then this is what I deserve for interfering in God's plan for me." See, there is one fact about what I hear in quotes that I have heard about POOR MATHEW....He did not fear the curse of taking your own life even though it is biblical that he would be cursed. I am sad for him and sad for his family as well and in prayer as well. Boy, my own attempt was an eye opener. Also, there are certain truths about how parental authority plays in our lives as you can see in how my dad handled my cry for help. He took me drinking....but that's what he got stuck on and I don't blame him for that. None the less, I have lived a very full life since that day years ago. I served my country. I graduated from college. I traveled around the world and competed around the world as a professional ballroom dancer. He took the broken person and lifted me up on a mountain. I lived out the destiny that God had for me and I am grateful. The moral of the story is Fear No One... But GOD...ALWAYS!! Before I close, I will leave in prayer for the Warren Family..... Heavenly Father, In your Holy Name we know that there are many lost souls that are in the world. Souls that are fractured because of various reason. We understand that there are times we many lose our way in life through our thoughts and actions. Today, as we remember the Warren Family, help us to always remember your scripture that says we must not "lean not unto your own understand...". Help us to remember this when we many of us are going through life struggles or heartache. Lord Jesus, we ask you to wipe our face as Veronica did for you on your path to Calvary. Lord, also continue to remind us that our lives here on earth are not ours to abuse or misuse but rather used to serve one another. We love you Lord and we lift up the heartache and loss for those that are involved and pray for eternal peace. We love you Lord and in your Holy Name I pray... Amen.

Alexandra Dreyer
Alexandra Dreyer

What does being gay have to do with anything? And since when are parents responsible for their adult children committing suicide? I pray none of you ever face such tragedy.

Debby Dickson
Debby Dickson

I feel horribe about this kids plight. I feel horrible about this tragedy. The weekly brings up a point, its the Warrens business, this should not be a stage or an opportunity for any one who does not agree with Rick Warrens beliefs. We have not walked in their shoes, thanks for bring this up.Friend of T. Hamby

Marcellus McMillian
Marcellus McMillian

All I will say Christ would have compassion and any true Christian would also, this is just sad to do this to Rick at this time. I have issues with him but I would never do this. I am praying for him and his family to be strong.

Bev Orbegoso Guibert
Bev Orbegoso Guibert

How does everyone know for a fact that he was gay?! Everyone one of you who hates you will pay for what you say. pay back will be a BITCH who hates. It's none of our business!

Brennan King
Brennan King

If the son of a man who spends his career spreading homophobic hate kills himself because he is gay, that is relevant and newsworthy. The story says "lifelong depression" which is not mutually exclusive with being gay and in fact would be the likely result of being a gay kid in that family. So I would like to know if it's true. Bare assertions however are pointless.

Brennan King
Brennan King

Yes, jokes that are in bad taste. Like an article called "Burning Man Festival" about a man who burned to death in his car, maybe?

Jose Manuel Perez
Jose Manuel Perez

Yes; news outlets only can get half the truth or perverted lies covered in truths. No news outlets ever really tell you the whole story. So OC Weekly just "shut up" you look better when your quite.

Michael Mastagni
Michael Mastagni

I wish this pastor well. He and his wife and the kid's sibs deserve respect and peace at this time. Haters....shut up.

Christopher Knechtel
Christopher Knechtel

It's called love. It's a curious byproduct of the human condition, and no one religion has a corner on its market.

Barbara Louise Brusehaber McMurray
Barbara Louise Brusehaber McMurray

And you know this how, Miguel? And even if you do from firsthand experience, is this where you want to go in this thread? Did you happen to read the article and get Gustavo's point?

OC Weekly
OC Weekly

And we're usually the ones in bad taste/rude/assholes—but in this case, we're trying not to be...

OC Weekly
OC Weekly

You didn't read the story, did you?

OC Weekly
OC Weekly

Last we heard, we're a newspaper that reports news.

Ann Edwards
Ann Edwards

Rick is a fucking money hungry freak hiding behind Jesus/god. ...if there was as God his son would have been spared. Don't worry he will makes millions on his sons death.

skmind
skmind

"Let the kid rest in peace, for chrissakes..."


The kid is dead,  There is all the rest one can get.  And to hate Warren now is appropriate.  There are those who advise to walk in his shoes.


Did Rick Warren walk in the shoes of those who lost a kid through suicide because the kid could not take the societal denigration heaped on him by the likes of Rick Warren for being gay?


Rick lost a son. That is a tragedy. It is a tragedy for any parent to watch their children go before them. The emotional pain is unimaginable, and no one should suffer that fate.


See, that sentiment above is universal. Everyone shares that, including people who dislike Rick. Rick Warren does not deserve that fate any more than any one else


(and bigots who do not acknowledge that above without even reading only belittles themselves)


Rick's son committed suicide. That makes the pain even worse. To then know that he was depressed, always despairing till he could not take it anymore is distressing.


You know what else is distressing? Other people losing their kids. In a similar manner.


This is where the gay rights thing comes in. Warren has been a virulent homophobe. He preaches that homosexuality is wrong, that people will burn in hell for that, and fights to deny rights to homosexuals.


Now imagine a kid who is driven to despair and commits suicide, because this is what he hears in his community. He has the misfortune of living in Lake Forest where Warren spreads his bigotry.


Why are those lives any less important? And their deaths are contributed to by Warren and his ilk.


Yes, for chrissakes!

Being there
Being there

Well said, Gustavo. I had not heard of this tragedy until this headline and all the air went out of my lungs for a minute. I am not big on Rick Warren either, but he seems to strike a compassionate chord in a lot of people. For anyone to have anything al all to say about this except, "I'm so sorry for the tragic loss of your son, Warrens" is cruel and unacceptable. What a world. What a world. 

Lon Hall
Lon Hall

It is not about hate, folks. It is about compassion and love and sharing pain and giving support to those who are facing incredibly deep grief. Any Christian (of which I am one) who does not feel compassion and love for any non-Christian as they face their trials in life is not obeying the commandments of God. And, folks, everyone, regardless of world view, often faces trials in life and truly needs our love and compassion. One does not have to be a Christian to share love and compassion. It is built into every single human being. Use it.

David Clay
David Clay

does no one recall the presidential debate that crackpot hosted and asked each candidate if 5 million is rich and the whole place erupted in laughter? they worship money!!

David Clay
David Clay

just let the poor kid rest in peace? How bout not bringing it up so you can pump your magazine..letting the poor kid rest in peace would mean don't give it publicity. talk about hypocrites. Thank you to OC Weekly for letting the poor kid rest in peace.

Emily Cox
Emily Cox

And no, OC Weekly isn't God. But they know jokes that are in bad taste. And rude people. And assholes.

DanChmielewski
DanChmielewski

@Barbara Brusehaber McMurray   well said Barbara

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