OC-based Tea Party: Impeach Obama Over Gun Control Executive Orders ... or Benghazi

tea party--deja vu

from jesses cafe and the newbook Hitlerland

The fear of the Socialists and the Communists in particular is a key driver for the events of that time, and is not to be discounted.  The cynical dealing and irresoluteness of the Weimar politicians is another factor.  There were open fights in the streets on a regular basis, although they were often surprisingly 'orderly' as this book relates. Some of the passages are quite amusing for those familiar with the German penchant for orderliness, even in the midst of urban warfare.

The capacity for self-delusion and a bad compromise is amazing, especially during periods of confusion, fear, and distraction. And the moral base in Germany at that interwar period was already notoriously relativistic and given to occultism, odd theories, and Nietzchean extremes.  And after war, hyperinflation, and a new Depression, their spirit and will to resist evil was simply exhausted, especially when it was backed by systematic terror and force.

We ought not to be too critical of those people, many of the Americans included, who did not see the worst coming. Did you see the recent financial collapse coming, and what has followed? Do you even understand it yet? History may be amazed at your ignorance. And yet all the signs of trouble were there during the period from 1999 to 2007. 

Some people were warning of the credit bubble, the imbalanced financial sector, and widespread fraud.  And the American people were distracted by a 'war on terror,' and not the collapse of their lives and savings after the decimation from a brutal world war that left the flower of their youth dead, crippled, or broken.

And then in Germany there was another Crash, and the onset of Great Depression, and the people thought, no, not again. Anything is better than this.And so the bargain with the devil was made, and after a brief blaze of false glory, hell followed.

This is not to excuse anything that was done, or permitted to happen. Far from it. But it is to place this sort of tragedy within its human context, and to remind us that we are all capable of such confused cowardice and acquiescence in the face of evil.  We must remain steadfast and resolute against it, especially before resistance demands the type of heroism of which few are capable. 

The consensus of those who met Hitler was that he was a most ordinary person, with little charisma or appeal.  Dorothy Thompson called him 'the very prototype of the Little Man.'  He seemed nondescript, but inwardly mad, illogical and ineffective, and they were incredulous that he could rise to power. 

A key tenet of the Nazis was the rejection of objective fact and reason in favor of the passions of 'the blood' and of instinct.  Truth was not an impartial consideration or serious limitation to conclusion and action.  That is a familiar refrain amongst ideologues and the more extreme elements of both left and right on the political continuum.

There are a few heroic figures in this book, and prominent among them is the Pulitzer prize winning journalist Edgar Ansel Mowrer, whom I had never heard about before this, which is a shame. I will let you read about him for yourself. 

I had not realized how badly the prospects of the National Socialist party had fallen in the years after Hitler's imprisonment for the abortive putsch and before his sudden rise to power as chancellor.  They were essentially done.  But they served as a purpose as a cat's paw for those wealthy bankers and industrialists who feared the Communists and Socialists, and for cynical Weimar pols who were too busy fighting amongst themselves to see the rising threat of fascism.

Joe Provino, your guns/cars analogy really doesn't work in this case. Michael McCracken is right. There are certain types of vehicles that are not permitted on most surface streets. Much like guns, there are regulations in place to make driving safer. Joe, I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of your previous statement. You started out by saying "I don't believe law abiding citizens should walk freely around with automatic weapons", but you went on to say that you don't think someone should get to pick and choose what gun is best for you to utilize should you have the need to. You can't have it both ways. What if someone decides that they do need to carry around an automatic weapon? I would also like to know what makes you feel your own personal protection needs are in any way even remotely close to those of the POTUS and his family. Are you running a country, hated by millions, and received dozens of death threats on a daily basis?

I love kooky elderly fat white people!  They say the most amazing things!

a teabager shot 11 people in seal beach hang the bastard

The government can tell you what kind of car you can drive. Its certainly not a right.

Don't mistake me for some redneck hillbilly who thinks I should roll around in an old pickup with a .50 cal machine gun mounted to the top while I'm sippin PBR and chewing tobacco..I'm more educated than that. I don't believe law abiding citizens should walk freely around with fully automatic weapons...there's no need. But keep in mind that the POTUS' children are guarded by men who carry fully auto sub compact machine guns, plus the sidearm to protect his family...and he thinks that me having a "Semi automatic rifle" is a little too much? I can hunt, sport shoot, and defend myself with an AR-15.....I can defend myself and my family with my handgun too, yes..but it doesn't mean that someone gets to pick and choose what gun is best for me to utilize should I have the need to...it like them telling you what car to drive...just on a broader scale.....read the 2nd amendment...it's not meant for hunting rifles... At the end of the day, I respect people who don't "like" guns, or decide to not own a gun...that's they're right 100%...and I fully respect it...I choose to own a gun, partly because I can..and yes because it's my right to keep and bear arms....I don't need a bazooka or a freakin Uzi...it's the misconception that the media presents that these AR-15's are weapons of war and this and that...lol...no...that's not the case..just educate yourself about a topic.....I have friends and even some family members who choose to not want to own firearms...and that's fine...I just hope they don't ever find themselves in a situation where one is needed to protect life...better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it...I see no problem with the government trying to push gun education and safety...that's a great idea..but there's no need to restrict anymore....that's my opinion. Good evening to you all....and for the record..I respect everyone's opinions and beliefs..that's what makes America good..the chance to say your peace and let others say theirs..

@Don Mexico....but it's perfectly ok to sit and make a statement about "gun nuts should be shot"....excuse me for the error in my grammar...I guess that's not really idiotic of you to say that someone should be shot and killed for being an enthusiast...right? Please feel free to retort...because you basically said that a) I'm a "gun nut" and should be shot and killed, and b) I used bad grammar when I addressed you..You sir, are the upstanding citizen here..forgive me please

California Tea Party.... really? What a steamy load of BS.

I could shoot the "I" out of a Ranier can at 50 feet at 12 years old but couldn't spell Politics.

Do you suppose that if a real Director of ATF had been appointed a few years ago we would not be in the immediate need of new rules? Still, few laws already on the 'books' are enforced. In fact, to get perps to plead Guilty, the enforcers here drop the Gun charges. Hell, all I do is Own a few guns and I'm labeled as a T-partier.

The tea party and republicans have turned a plea for common sense controls into nonsense. I am told by my conservative friends to not be swayed by emotion, yet they display their own emotions time and time again by feeling threatened, getting angry and making threats.

What a bunch-a bullshite!

Lets just substitute Ignorant Twits for Tea Party and call a spade a spade.

Dick Palmer's face has more wrinkles than my scrotum and should be the new Laguna Greeter in the nude.

These people need lives...they should get a 2nd job or something. Maybe a hobby who knows

They should call for his impeachment if he DOESN'T push for gun control.

@Joe Provino: your = you're. but i'm the idiot, right? lol

Well, if the deaths in Newtown don't have an effect on a person, nothing will. Let's just regress to a vigilante society and have some warlords run the place.

Nothing like reasoned, thoughtful discourse. Warms my OC cockles. Ha.

And folks, get educated about guns....what they're trying to ban are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES....an AR15 isn't an assault rifle

And your a fellow Raiders fan, and that makes me more pissed off at you..plus your from my hometown..Jesus..

And Don Mexico....your just an idiot.

Alyssa, you obviously have never met a competitive sport shooter....please don't be ignorant

...Tea-Baggers...AND... Dick Palmer...man...ya' can't make things like this up...

@OC tea party...stop it! Give it a rest.

Fuck the tea party. Fuck Obama.

gun nuts should be shot. i don't care what these dumb fucks say, but there is no reason to have an assault weapon to defend yourself. you're not in fuckin' iraq or beirut. a handgun or a shotgun should be sufficient for your fuckin' needs. also, the law should require every dipshit to pass a mental stability test and be trained on how to actually use a firearm BEFORE they can purchase it. why are you people so fuckin' stupid and against simple shit like this?! stop being stupid, people!

Stupid Dems still blaming Bush...MORONS. The problem is that we blame objects instead of perople

Alright all you commie-libs, as soon as Dick and his caretaker get his oxygen bottle in the Toyota, he's coming after you mothafuckas!

This is why we can't have nice things.

I see no reason for a civilian to have certain types of ammunition. Rifles are to hunt with, pistols are for protection and Ak47's and high capacity magazines are for people who want to do massive damage to other people. Why else would you buy a high capacity magazine?

Comparing this to Hitler is asinine

Hahahaha. Obama is not New Hitler any more than Reagan was new, uhh .. who's like the best human person ever? Reagan was not the new "that person".

Maybe we could get somewhere with this fiscal nightmare if they put the same amount of effort into the budget control as they do gun control...

Fags

Classy.....

The government for the people, by the people....

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation" Adolf Hitler