Mormons Mad at OC Weekly Because We Put Mitt Romney as Moroni on the Cover and Made a Funny

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When we were thinking up of a cover for our Election Day issue and came upon the idea of having Mitt Romney as the Angel Moroni heralding doom and gloom, I had to stop for a second. Surely some other publication, whether dead-tree or blog, had done that already, no? It's so damn obvious: Mitt is a Mormon, and Moroni is part of Latter Day Saints theology. But I couldn't find any proof of such an editorial cartoon, so we commissioned Romney as Moroni, with my only critique of the fabulous end product being that we couldn't make Mitt's shit-eating grin even more shit-eating.

We published it on November 1, to a lot of nice comments. Then, last Wednesday, Mormons finally found out about the cover and have been whining to the Weekly ever since, demanding an apology.

Starting on Wednesday and continuing ever since, Mormons from across the country but mostly centered around the Newport Beach LDS temple have called and written in to complain that our cover is offensive to their religion, that Romney is a good man, that Mormons have never hurt anyone (tell that to folks affected by Proposition 8), that they're going to stop their subscription to the Weekly, that we would never mock Muslims that way (we did, by printing an image of the Prophet Mohammed back in 2006, and Muslims didn't give a shit because they understood the context), that they're never going to read the "Register" again (please follow through on that!), and that they're going to start an advertiser boycott unless we apologize for the cover.

We're not going to apologize, because while Moroni might be a sacred part of the LDS, Jesus is even sacred-er--and we've depicted him as everything from a pothead to a businessman to hanging out with aliens to worse, and far more gratuitously than the spot-on satire that is Romney as Moroni, with the beautiful pun of "Moron!" thrown in (by the way, don't think I'm humblebragging here: this is all the genius of Coker). What's good for the Nazarene is good for some angel, no?

The most reassuring words I can tell you Mormons who have written in angrily is that we are equal opportunity offenders here, and we've barely even ever paid any attention to Mormons in OC in the first place except for asshole Garden Grove mayor Bruce Broadwater--and we blame his assholery on the fact that he's an asshole and not his religion. Ustedes should be happy that Romney wasn't a Catholic or a Chuckie-bot from Calvary Chapel, as we would've been ruthless, and I would've responded to complaints from those faithful with a big HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Mormons? Meh...

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power.fader1
power.fader1

What a bunch of yippy little dogs you all are, as you nip at the wheels of the great caravan as it passes you by.  (Hint: I'm aiming at your mockery of  all things religious--not just the LDS crowd).

121enjoy
121enjoy

Did you know that Mormon men can have countless wives in Celestial Mormon Heaven?

Did you know that Mormons believe that they will become Gods in heaven, with all non-Mormons being their angelic servants?

Did you know that the Mormon Church believe that they are the ONLY true church of God on the earth, and that all other churches and faiths are abominations?

Did you know that you that all Mormons must pay 10% of their gross annual income into the treasury of the Mormon church before they are allowed entrance into these luxurious Temples?

 

Did you know that all Mormons must swear with strict Temple Oaths to never reveal the secret sign and tokens of the Temple, or they will suffer the punishment of God?

Did you know that the Mormon church baptise many millions of deceased non-Mormons in their Temples, without having the decency to even ask permission from their relatives and loved ones?

Did you know that Mormon children as young as 12 years old are taken into the Temples and are used for group baptisms of these deceased non-Mormons? Many of the children are clearly uneasy about this, especially young females, but are forced into this by their strict Mormon parents.

Here is a Mormon Baptism for the Dead Ritual that is performed daily in all Mormon Temples. This undercover video was filmed in secret in the Salt Lake Temple in Utah, earlier this year.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkZWts_BUwQ&feature=plcp

 

121enjoy
121enjoy

Here is the entire Mormon Temple Ceremony filmed in secret by undercover video in a Mormon Temple, in Utah, earlier this year.

Watch this very revealing and 100% genuine video and then ask yourself how on earth fanatical Mitt Romney and his crazed wife Ann, were allowed to get so close to entering the White House.

A very lucky escape for America, as they would have taken it back to the bigotry and the civil strife of the 60's.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VrsFEiTpsQ&feature=plcp

121enjoy
121enjoy

Mitt Romney still cannot believe he has lost to Obama. He and Ann were utterly convinced that the White House was theirs. Why? Well, to understand Romney's disturbing delusions of grandeur and superiority you have to view the source of this massive Mormon fraud. 

 

Have a look at some of the Mormon Temple Ceremony filmed in secret by undercover video in the infamous Salt Lake Temple in Utah, earlier this year.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM&feature=plcp

 

Romney and his wife have attended this very ceremony in this particular temple on countless occasions. Study all aspects of the Ceremony and you will understand where their constant lies, feelings of superiority and their exalted arrogance come from.

 

Mormonism causes great psychological harm to many of its members, including young Mormon children. Mitt and Ann are among those sadly afflicted by this disturbing Mormon illness.

socalbettie
socalbettie

In response to "that Mormons have never hurt anyone"  I think those who died in the Mountain Meadow Massacre would disagree, I know my family members who were killed there would take issue with that statement.

ssaeed01
ssaeed01

Hilarious. I mean I was entertained by the article, but then reading the comments was like the cherry on top. :) We need OC Weekly in DC.

GregDiamond
GregDiamond

"Coker did it!  Coker did it!"  For shame, Gustavo, for shame..

 

If Mormons want to retaliate they can make fun of the holy OC Weekly sacrament of covering Octomom (with photos, of course) at every possible opportunity and some seemingly impossible ones.

wdequer
wdequer

FYI - As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, I am not particularly bothered by the cover given the nature of the OC Weekly.  It is old news, old insults and I've certainly seen worse.

castingstones2
castingstones2

We're not going to apologize, because while Moroni might be a sacred part of the LDS, Jesus is even sacred-er!

 

Love it! Thank you for not apologizing, for what would you apologize? Isn't that the title of Mitt's book , No apology?  Thank you for your column.

Lori Spangler
Lori Spangler

Benjamin, I see your point. It's pretty hypocritical to stand against bullying yet still bully people/cultures you do not understand.

drwight
drwight

This is a yawner. . In the early 20th century, the LDS Church released "An Address to the World," to counter the unfavorable reports circulated by non-LDS.  The Ministerial Association of Salt Lake City responded with their "Review" of the "Address."  Then B. H. Roberts, a Mormon leader, answered the "Review" in a lengthy June, 1907 address.    . I'm a believing Mormon.  My ancestors were among those run out of the US by the mobs in Illinois.  I have a grandmother dead and buried on the trail to Salt Lake City.  Elder Roberts' comments about persecution in his address voice my take on your cover.

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 "These gentlemen reviewers express two fears. One is that they will be charged, because of issuing this review, with misrepresentation. Well, I don't wonder at that, and I think we have proven that you have misrepresented. But they also fear that we will charge them with persecution. Gentlemen, we acquit you of the intention of persecution. When the Revs. Phineas Ewing, Dixon, Cavanaugh, Hunter, Bogart, Isaac McCoy, Riley, Pixley, Woods and others carried on an agitation in Missouri against "Mormonism" and the "Mormons" that resulted in burning hundreds of our homes and driving our people—including women and children, remember—to bivouac out in the wilderness at an inclement season of the year; when the mob incited by these reverends, your prototypes, gentlemen, laid waste our fields and gardens, stripped our people of their earthly possessions, keeping up that agitation until twelve thousand or fifteen thousand people were driven from the state of Missouri, dispossessed of several hundred thousand acres of land—two hundred and fifty thousand acres, to be exact—which they had entered, and rendered them homeless—we might call, we do call, that persecution. When the Rev. Mr. Levi Williams led the mob that shot to death Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum Smith in Carthage prison, and when the Rev. Mr. Thomas S. Brockman led the forces against Nauvoo, after the great body of the people had withdrawn from that city, and expelled the aged, the widow and the fatherless, and laid waste the property of the people—we think we are justified in calling that persecution, of which right reverend gentlemen were the chief instigators. And when in this territory some years ago one wave of agitation followed another, of which your class, and some of you, were chief movers, until a reign of terror was produced, and a regime was established under which men guilty at most of a misdemeanor, could nevertheless be imprisoned for a term of years covering a lifetime, and fined to the exhaustion of all they possessed, under the beautiful scheme of segregating the offense into numerous counts in each indictment; and when in that reign of terror women were compelled to clasp their little ones to their breasts and go out among strangers, exiled from their homes—we might be inclined to call that persecution. But our experience has been such that we scorn to call such attacks as this review [or "OC Weekly" cover] of yours persecution. It does not rise, gentlemen, I assure you, to that bad eminence. So we acquit you of any intent in your review to persecute us. You need not fear that such a charge will be made, we are not so thin-skinned as all that. Besides, gentlemen, your power is no longer equal to your malice, and so we do not believe you will ever be able to persecute us again."

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-- "Improvement Era," 1907, Vol. X. July, 1907. No. 9

ShifoBrains
ShifoBrains

when will you do a cover mocking Mohammed?

civlee
civlee

Unless I am missing something, it looks like you are calling Mitt Romney a moron on your cover. 

 

Whether you are Mormon or not, calling people names like that is disrespectful and offensive to many. We don't tolerate that level of behavior in elementary school...

elgratia
elgratia

Abbreviated version:

Yes we're dinks, but we've been dinks to mainstream Christians too so it's cool. Hey we even did a picture of  Mohammad (but we didn't explicitly identify at him, we only play ballsy, we're not stupid) so suck it up Morons (heh, Mormons/Morons get it?).

We're like 4chan, without the wit, hivemind and cat pictures, or Cracked without the charm, yes we're THAT edgy.

(Gawd why won't Gawker hire meee...)

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Religion = Superstitions Nonsense for Ignorant Imbeciles

 

Mormonism = Superstitious Insanity for Extremely Ignorant Imbeciles

 

hth.

Andre Miller
Andre Miller

They swear dude is Mother Theresa. Ask them how come until 1978, black folks weren't admitted into the LES? But they haven't been offensive towards anyone, right?

Ojitos Dormidos
Ojitos Dormidos

I'm with Christine. Hes a CULO SUCKA and I'm not Mormon.

power.fader1
power.fader1

 @121enjoy Please, please, tell us more about what you DON'T know and DON'T understand.  Please.

Mahonri
Mahonri

 @drwight

 The reason Mormons were run out of so many places was because they were shitty neighbors. Threats and intimidation on their part were met with the same from those they oppressed. Funny that most other groups have no trouble like these 'we are right and you are wrong' morons.

socalbettie
socalbettie

 @drwight 

The hands of the Mormon are not so clean drwight,  they murdered innocent people too and then pretended they were Indians.  Get a grip and quit  your whining!

 

 

DaxDax
DaxDax

 @drwight As an ex-Mo, I can tell you the belief is BIG on telling half the story and persecution. And more persecution.

aurora_skys
aurora_skys

 @ShifoBrains there is a link to their muhammed cover in the article. Critical reading fail...

CheapTrick
CheapTrick

 @ShifoBrains Maybe when he runs for president with a campaign that fans the flames of hate and racism, sexism and forces a cult on people.

 

Until then... how 'bout ya shut it?

CheapTrick
CheapTrick

 @civlee We also don't make political jokes in elementary school that 8 year-old kids can't understand or comprehend the context. 

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

 @civlee ...but we do tolerate it in the yellow press, so what's your point?

wdequer
wdequer

 @CheapTrick  Actually I obviously don't agree that Mitt is an insult, even though I voted for Barack Obama.  Both President Obama and Gov. Romney are intelligent, well educated, skillful, and decent men.  If Gov. Romney had consistently run as the Mormon he showed himself to be at the winter Olympics and as Governor of Massachusetts, I would have voted for him for President.  Of course he would never have been nominated if he had done so.   I was mostly acknowledging OC Weekly's right to try its best to engage in political satire without causing over-reactions.  The great Spanish author, Cervantes, said that a joke that causes pain isn't much of a joke. (See http://www.quotesea.com/quotes/tag/cervantes/2).

wdequer
wdequer

 @socalbettie  You are of course referring to the Mountain Meadows Massacre in which local Mormons participated in the heartless massacre of about 120 men, women, and older children as planned out by their local Mormon/militia  leaders.  It is the darkest stain and greatest tragedy in the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  There is also plenty of indirect blame to pass around including some general LDS leaders for inflaming a war mentality especially in southern Utah and U.S. President James Buchanan for  creating a war mentality by sending a significant part of the U.S. Army to Utah under sealed orders to "subdue" the generally peaceful Mormons.  Mountain Meadows should be taken by all as a cautionary example dangers of commingling of religious/civil/military authority and of how unchecked zeal, greed, and stupidity can lead to evil and tragedy.

 

However, I think you misrepresent drwight as a whiner although he does go-on a bit. 

power.fader1
power.fader1

 @CheapTrick  @ShifoBrains He DID run--by proxy.  That's why we have a closet Kenyan MUS in the White House (from which we will never get out the stink)

power.fader1
power.fader1

 @CheapTrick  @wdequer Cheap trick.  Get out of bed at 2pm, try not to drink so early in the afternoon, and answer the door.  It's your sister, wanting you to take her to the abortion clinic--to solve YOUR problem.

wdequer
wdequer

 @Mahonri  @CheapTrick If you followed the stream you should be aware I chose to vote for President Obama rather than Gov. Romney.  Unfortunately most politicians, including Romney, are too good a adapting their message to their perceived audiences for my comfort.  It is perhaps one of the prices of getting nominated and elected currently.  I do not remember being aware of Gov. Romney's foul language usage, would certainly not have approved or excused it, but understand that such words slip-out from most humans at least occasionally.  Could I ask you for your source on his "F-bombs"?

Mahonri
Mahonri

 @wdequer  @CheapTrick

 Yep, Mittboy as he showed himself at the Winter Olympics. Foul mouthed bigot who changed character to play to whichever crowd he was around at the time. F-bombs in Ogden didn't really go over that well in spite of his thinking he was in a non-LDS crowd.

wdequer
wdequer

 @CheapTrick 1) Actually we agree on some of our concerns about Romney (although I would have phrased them differently) which is why I consistently supported and voted for President Obama.    2) Your comment: "You Mormons are all the same." is a classic example of sweeping generalizations, stereotyping.and prejudice.  I take "homophobic" to mean an unreasoning fear and/or loathing of all homosexuals.  Given that definition you might well qualify as "Mormonophobic."  3) Your closing comment: "Or wanted." seems to imply that you feel a proprietary relationship with this site.  Most sites on the internet are pretty open in our pluralistic society.  If you only want to hear from those who agree with you, create a private site.  If you don't want to engage in our dialogue you are free to simply stop doing so, and I will respect you desire to disengage.  Thanks for expressing your viewpoints.  

CheapTrick
CheapTrick

@wdequeryou really need to shut it. Romney's comment about how he thought it was fine for women to work as long as they were home in time to cook dinner... That's sexist. His comment about how "gay people are having families.. It's not right on paper it's not right on fact" is homophobic. Saying that visiting one's partner in the hospital is a "benefit" that states should vote on... That's just mean and heartless. Saying that the only reason someone wouldn't vote for him is that they're a bunch of lazy moochers with no personal responsibility is obnoxious and plutocratic. Saying that nobody is dying at home because they don't have health insurance is so out of touch its Marie Antoinette level cluelessness. And saying that emergency room care is "free" and good enough for the unwashed poor shows that he just didn't give a shit about anyone but himself. Lets see him have his wife's MS treated at an emergency room.  He is a horrible person. I'm glad he lost. There is no defense for what a rotten soul he is. Those aren't "biases." You Mormons are all the same. And you really need to accept that you are not special. Or wanted. 

 

wdequer
wdequer

 @CheapTrick We all have our points of view or "biases."  It is said that humans are rational, which may mean that we rationalize pretty well to push our point of view rather than listening to others. ;-)  I found myself defending both Romney and Obama during the election about the same amount from extremist attacks.  The election is over, and such attacks seem pretty moot at this point.  I hope we will move on with the real business of finding solutions for our common problems as a nation.  Apparently we disagree.  I wish you well.

 

I use to be much more critical, dogmatic, absolutist, angry  and unforgiving than I now am.  I held onto and stewed over things I thought were wrong.  I survived my 20's and part of my 30's, before my outlook caught up with me and I became chronically depressed.  Of course my negative hadn't help with family and other relationships. Further, anger and extreme negativity leads to the release of cortisol, a powerful substance that has very negative long term effect on body and mind.     A process called "cognative restructuring" (See Burns "Feeling Good") helped me identify distorted thoughts, successfully take back to them, and over-time find relief from depression and develop better relations with those around me.  Of course I personally coupled cognative restructuring with prayer, etc.  Perhaps I am totally misreading your situation,  but if I am not, you might want to consider what I have just written.

CheapTrick
CheapTrick

 @wdequer we can debate how Romney lied about "saving" the Olympics by taking a massive loan from the federal government that never got repaid in another post. Frankly, I don't think he's a decent man and when he dropped his guard and showed us the snobby, plutocratic, sexist, racist, birther-joke making, homophobic and cluelessly out of touch person that he is... he proved it to the world.

 

(and he left office with George W Bush-level approval ratings. Clearly the people who knew him as a Governor don't agree with your obviously biased "opinion.")

wdequer
wdequer

 @simondelao  @socalbettie It's probably wisest to be careful about calling groups Nazis or any other pejorative "names."  There are extremists in most groups.  For example, I received a recent reply on another site that said: "Yes. wanting to make sure that every mormon kid grows up knowing the kind of hate that mormons rained down on gay kids. I want them to feel the shame, the despair and humiliation of knowing what people say behind their backs... I would love them to know that given the chance, the majority of the country would go to the ballot box to tell them 'you are not worthy of love or happiness and we'll make laws to ensure it.' You're a mormon. Go back to Kolob. You're not wanted here."  Such rants don't really bother me for the following reasons: 1) The writer self-identifies their current hate-filled value system.  2) I recognize the pain that leads to such rants.  3) I taught middle school and junior high for 39 years and dealt with situations involving name-calling on a daily basis. 4) I have compassion for Jews and, yes, Nazis.  My compassion for Nazis leaders is pretty-limited, but I suspect there were many basically good men and women, who read their Kant and Goethe and listened to Beethoven and went out and committed monstrous acts, but, when they finally came to their senses, were plagued by those acts through the rest of their lives and quite possibly for eternity.  My study of the Mountain Meadows Massacre suggest that such was the fate of many Mormon participants. (This view does not mean they should have been excused from additional punishment in this life.)  However, when we demonize groups we are laying a groundwork for ourselves and/or those who listen to us, to commit monstrous acts so we should be careful indeed.   Thank you for your reply because this is an important topic about which to think and ponder.

wdequer
wdequer

@aurora_skys  Thank you for raising blood atonement and for your link.  I read the link and found little I wasn't aware of 30 or 40 years ago.  Still, the authors, the Tanners, though quite biased document their articles fairly carefully.   I could take the time to carefully discuss how and why most of their sources are highly suspect.  Teaching on "blood atonement" certainly existed, but did they lead to many deaths?  if we are going to discuss blood atonement we might as well deal with the "Oath of Vengeance" at the same time.  I'm almost always happy to discuss history.

 

Much has been made of the Mormon Oath of Vengeance in the 19th and early 20th century.   Apparently it said something like "You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."   There seems to be substantial evidence that such an oath did in fact exist and was probably administered into the 1920s. 

 

O.K. we have words, but how was blood atonement and this troubling oath applied by the Mormons?  “The blood of the prophets” undoubtedly applied to the murder of Joseph and Hyrum Smith.  Was vengeance ever carried out by the Mormons on those most responsible for Joseph Smith’s death?  NO.  There were 5 men charged with Joseph’s murder:  Thomas C. Sharp, Mark Aldrich, William N. Grover, Jacob C. Davis and Levi Williams.  Although some of these men were undoubted guilty, all were acquitted by a non-Mormon jury, much to the dismay of the Mormon people.  All of these charged men ended up dying of natural causes, several at advanced age.  Were they saved by hiding in fear all their lives?  NO.  All lived openly and several held public office.  Further, Joseph Smith was accused of trying to have former Governor of Missouri, Lilburn Boggs, killed.  Boggs had issued the order that Mormons were to be driven out of Missouri or exterminated, which led to many deaths.  Joseph’s body-guard, the infamous Orin Porter Rockwell, was caught, charged and tried in Missouri as the trigger-man.  Rockwell was acquitted and freed by a non-Mormon jury in Missouri.  (Rockwell said in his own defense if he had actually shot at Boggs, Boggs would be dead! ) Boggs later immigrated to California, served in the California State Assembly, and died of natural causes at the age of 63.  If the Mormons were going to take direct vengeance on anyone it would have included these 6 men.  These men were accessible targets, but in spite of any teaching of blood atonement, the oath, and prayers Mormons offered clearly they did not ever go after any of these men.  That's my argument, and feel encouraged to use the internet and check my claims. 

 

I understand your claim that all religions are equally fine, but a couple are less equal than the others.  (FYI - Are you also fine with the Roman Catholic "corporation," because many LGBT individuals certainly are not.)  However, isn't your dedication to the concept freedom of religion measure by your willingness to tolerate and even defend religions you don't like, rather than how you act toward religions with whom you agree or find innocuous?  Neither of us apparently like Scientology, yet I will certainly defend its right to exist and be practiced as a religion.  I appreciate that, at least, you don't hate the Mormon people even if you consider their religion totally unacceptable.  So, if you believe "Mormonism" has no place in the modern world, what do you propose to do with the many people who fervently believe and support it?  

 

Thanks again for expressing your viewpoints so we could discuss them.   ;-)    

aurora_skys
aurora_skys

 @wdequer  I'm not "mormonophobic" as you cutely put it, and I have no hatred for Mormon people. That's like when someone criticizes Mohammed for marrying nine year old Aisha and Muslims start to shout "Islamaphobe!" Plug your ears and shout "Lalalalaaa!" but the dirty LDS history is still there.. If you are interested in learning more about the murders caused by Brigham actively preaching blood atonement, you may find this article an interesting read http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/bloodatn  I believe the world has no room for the LDS corporation because of the immense harm it causes to it's members and former members and the community at large. I love everyone's freedom to practice whatever religion we wish, but Mormonism is no more a religion that Scientology. And you can take that straight to Kolob.

wdequer
wdequer

 @aurora_skys  @socalbettie aurora-skys, You are changing topics.  I accept, try to learn from, and encourage others to accept and learn from accurate history.  However, your suggestion that "many more have died since as a result of Brigham Young's actively practicing blood atonement" is inaccurate.  I am concerned about all suicide because it is tragic.  I am concerned about how some falsely claim divine inspiration.  However, I disagree with your closing statements and especially that: "there is no room for it [the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints] in the modern world." It is extremist, intolerant and potentially dangerous in our pluralistic society.  If I made statements like your about LGBT individuals or groups you would label me as homophobic for good reasons.  I take "homophobic" to mean an unreasoning fear and/or loathing of all homosexuals.  Given that definition you might well qualify as "Mormonophobic" given your statement.  Marginalizing and demonizing most people and viewpoints is often a slippery-slope because hate is a powerful emotion that creates much harm and evil.  However, thanks for expressing your viewpoints so we could discuss them.  

aurora_skys
aurora_skys

 @wdequer  @socalbettie I dare say that the greatest tragedy in the history of the LDS "church" is that it is still allowed to exist in the world today. Yes, mountain meadows saw many die, but how many more have died since as a result of Brigham Young's actively practicing blood atonement, the gay LDS men and women committing suicide after a lifetime of not being "worthy," how many have died from illnesses after their patriarchal blessing told them they would live a long life and their bishop told them to pray harder and trust in heavenly father??  This so called church is a money extorting travesty, wreaking havoc on the lives of so many thousands of people, there is no room for it in the modern world.

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