The OCeeker: Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses Orange Grove/Irvine and Skits to Trick the Heathen

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Russell-ing up some false prophecies
Beware of extra books in the house o'God, ye heathen. If you find yourself in a reportedly Christian meeting and a Bible alone won't do, well, you better brace yourself for some spiritual chicanery.

And don't look for devil horns and bared fangs, my sheeple. Nay, little flock. They come for you smiling and dressed in nice suits.

Your slick-haired messiah met them during a recent visit to the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses Orange Grove/Irvine, where he took in a congregational Bible study among 100 of the faithful, and saw some teaching and training tips that you fundies would do well to emulate, lest you lose the battle to what many of you consider a theological cult.

The Kingdom Hall sits off Pioneer Way in Tustin. Picture the Irvine Company meeting with a Wells Fargo branch manager to discuss interior/exterior design, and you pretty much have what the building looks like. There are no crosses. They believe Jesus Christ was plopped on a stake, and the "pagan symbol" of the cross was merely an evangelistic tool that some early Christians used to make it easier for the lost to receive the faith. With me so far, ye heathen?

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Wasn't in attendance
The OCeeker's footfall graced the grounds of the Kingdom Hall after a satisfying smoke and a listen to some Hank Williams III. Nothing gets a man in the mood for worship like "Candidate For Suicide."

A brief history of heresy

Charles Taze Russell founded Zion's Watchtower and Tract Society in 1884. Those religious magazines ye heathen find on a public potty or else offered to you by kind folks on a Saturday morning? They come from the New York-based Watchtower. After a group known as the Dawn Bible Students split from the organization in 1931, church members started calling themselves Jehovah's Witnesses. 

It was Russell--a Pittsburgh-born former Presbyterian who learned at the feet of Adventist Charles Miller, a man who predicted the end of the world would occur in 1843--who commanded his followers to study his teachings only, lest they find themselves in spiritual darkness. He said the Battle of Armageddon began in 1874 and would end in 1914.

Modern-day Russellites deny core doctrines of Christianity, such as the deity of Christ and that he rose from the dead in his physical body. They also read from their church-published New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures and its revised New Testament, which was crapped out in 1950 to hoodwink the pew-sitters into thinking Jesus never claimed to be God.

Check out this nifty translation of John 1:1. First, from the OCeeker's New King Jimmy: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."  

Now, the J-Dubs' New World Translation:  "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Catch that, my disciples? Drop an article before the word "God", and Jesus gets demoted from the Almighty in the flesh to a garden-variety deity. That's what happens when you believe God created Jesus as the archangel Michael.

Now, the OCeeker is plumb-tuckered from teaching ye heathen, so for homework, get your Google on, and look up Jehovah's Witnesses and pyramids, vaccinations and birthday parties.

Kindness in the Kingdom Hall

Jehovah's Witnesses are the warmest bunch of believers the OCeeker has encountered in all his seeking days. You know something, oh congregants of the evangelical kind who ignore your visitors and gather in familiar clusters? The OCeeker was greeted by no less than a dozen J-Dubs, and one man, named after the disciple whom Jesus loved, offered to sit next to your rabbi and help him understand the service.

The congregation was a balanced mix of crackers, Mexis, Asians and soul-brethren. Many women were hot as hell, seeing as how there is always something sexy about a conservatively dressed, good-lookin' gal. And the OCeeker loves 'em black, white, even Puerto Rican or Haitian. They were all suited and booted, and the OCeeker stood out like a sore thumb among them. The disciple whom Jesus loved opened a song book, and he and the OCeeker sang praises side-by-side. Imagine Yves Saint Laurent standing next to Larry the Cable Guy in the house of the holy.

Being as it was Bible study night and all, the service was mostly a didactic proceeding filled with Scripture readings and teachings from a variety of church members who took the pulpit, or else spoke from the pews when a game show-esque usher delivered a microphone to them. It was a cool turn from the glory-hogging ways of today's preachers. Two neat things stood out to the OCeeker: everyone was called on by name, showing that the church is a close-knit group that knows its members well, and children were allowed to participate. Precious in the sight of the Lord is the training up of l'il heretics.

We read from a Bible study booklet focused on the Acts of the Apostles, specifically looking at how St. Paul ministered to believers and faced tribulations while preaching to angry mobs in Jerusalem.

One sister in the congregation said the lesson she learned is that when a member of the church is  going through trouble such as sickness, "we want to offer our time and help them and try to give some words of encouragement."

While earth-shattering insights weren't shared, it was encouraging to know that an Orange County congregation is paying attention to what is being taught.

Then it was time for skits, which really were brief demonstrations of how to mindfuck the unsuspecting into accepting the religion. One involved a woman demonstrating how to help a struggling Bible student understand how to apply the Scriptures to her life. Another, put on by two men, showed the congregation how to handle hostile people at the doorstep when they go witnessing. A final sketch saw a woman getting church magazines into the hands of a pagan. 

The nearly two-hour service included a hymn that is appropriately titled "Make the Truth Your Own". 

 

Upon a final prayer, the disciple whom Jesus loved offered to visit Chateau de Seeker for a Bible study. Didn't happen. But your pious scribe gladly accepted Bible study material and a couple of magazines.

The OCeeker gave the service three out of five false prophets. The Jehovah's Witnesses rightly teach everything they get wrong.

The Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses Orange Grove/Irvine meets at  2850 Pioneer Way, Tustin. For service times, call (714) 573-2092

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45 comments
Alex
Alex

Yet the Watchtower acts as prosecutor, judge and jury. Pure unclean hate from Jehovah's Witness leadership.

Alex
Alex

"I'm still trying to understand the point of the OCeeker articles... to basically go around judging people and their beliefs?"~peaceloveunderstanding Do you anything about the Jehovah's Witness? They are the kings of judging people and their beliefs. Just open their publications and you will see the carefully organized steps to make you hate your own church. Truly the Watchtower is a hate filled religion that has no tolerance for others.

Alex
Alex

A note to all: Beware of Jehovah's Witness "love bombing' when members first meet you and if one has a serious discussion they practice 'killing you with kindness". The facts are I have seen how this groups members are conditioned to act past the superficial first meeting. Full of hate is the only way to describe them along with arrogant. The members are good people but their leadership is evil. They twist, pull information out of context and use well thought out training methods to fools the general public. All this from a religion that has had zero success when it comes to things they say (that time can measure) Best to do your research (outside of this group) before anything. Of course they will do everything to discourage you. That is what this high control group trains them to do.

Alex
Alex

Why would anyone want to keep doing the same old same old? People have heard the same canned presentations from your sect a hundred times. Of course some of you on that side possibly benefit by recording your time on your mandatory field service reports. Just like Jesus and his disciples did right? (Just kidding on the last bit. Jesus didn't make a law out of filling out business style reports like the Watchtower corporation does.)

Alex
Alex

Your chants to your watchtower god is not requested or appreciated. (Also I know that your 'Peace to you' is a cover for when you look forward to me and my family being destroyed in your Watchtowers story book).

Joe
Joe

As far as Hitler being a painter walking his dog, well he failed at one while abusing the other(dog).  Secondly, there is no point in quoting from scripture if your assumption is that to do so would be interpreted as holier than thou behavior.  But I will pray for you.  Peace to you. 

Alex
Alex

Did you also know that Adolph Hitler was a painter? And he was Austrian, not German? And did you know that he loved dogs? Could you imagine walking down the street and meeting up with an Austrian painter walking a dog? While on the subject...why do Jehovah's witness excuse their own members behaviour with the old 'he/she's an imperfect human' but you nail every other religious person with evil etc. etc? Not really expecting a sincere answer and sorry but I am not going to tag this with a scripture to make myself holier than thou like you would.

Alex
Alex

You and your religious sect have such nice ways of showing your hate.

Joe
Joe

Well, Alex Jehovah's Witnesses are not forcing their pamphlets down your throat. The Lord has a special way of drawing his own to himself. Now if you drawn elsewhere other than to be a Jehovah's Witness. So be it. I see no conflict with the truth. I only see a God that works as He sees fit to spread his message for the World to discover and be saved."And by their fruits you will know the truth" "and the truth shall set you free" Amen.

Joe
Joe

And BTW, if you didn't already know or it may come as a surprise to you, but Adolph Hitler was a Catholic. Now have a nice day seeking the truth. Good day.

Joe
Joe

Alex that is what you choose to be the truth. But actually the Truth is really something else all-together. Don't confuse your truth with God's truth. And there is no point in casting stones at each other as there is enough conflict in the world. Unless you suppose the Catholic Church having no involvement in the World's atrocities. Such is the truth you wish to sell. Nonetheless there is some truth to be found out there somewhere, and I hope to God that he gives you the wisdom to know the difference.

Alex
Alex

Just because Watchtower follower tag a scripture on the end of canned statements doesn't make it truth.

Alex
Alex

I see a lot more admitting from the Catholics and a lot my denying from the Watchtower. Sorry but it is the truth.

goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone
goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone

Dear Alex, Whether this be of any interest to you, I am truely sorry for your feelings/impression of me.  As I'd hope that others can see, I am not displaying any "arrogant or smug" attitudes, but only attempting to respectfully reply to many of your incorrect statements. Agape, JohnOneOne. http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com [P.S. - If you wish to dialogue with me on more of a personal level, at the Good Companion Books website, on the bottom left, you will find my email address,...you are welcome to contact me there, as I would really like to continure our conversation in private.]

Bill T.
Bill T.

SPAM I'd just "Flag" it but the buttons don't seem to be working for me. Yah, I've whined to the webmaster, no reply.

Bill T.
Bill T.

You know how it is, spend hours digging through the OCW to mine anything that in their narrow vision looks like they can blame you for Scott's not setting up a puppet in 1848 so the U. S. could truly implement the Monroe Doctrine. I tell ya, man, they're the OCW's most loyal readers, too funny.

goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone
goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone

Dear Alex, Yes, "the WT hasn't claimed to be a prophet" in that none "of its members have [ever] heard voices from God, seen visions or in any other way been directly influenced to make a certain proclamation beyond what is in the Bible." As for having differing opinions on different matters, even Biblically, this is certainly going to be the case, after all, we're all imperfect humans.  But now, what will we do with those opinions is the question.  Will we speak of these to others, causing division, or will we display faith by waiting upon Jehovah to bring such into focus, making adjustments as He sees fit, all according to his own time-table?  Quite interestingly, such similar tests were faced by many a Bible servant of God in the past. As long as we remain humble, Jehovah is there to help us thru any difficulty, that is, just as long as we continue to trust Him in all things - He and His Son will never fail us. Agape, JohnOneOne. http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone
goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone

Dear Alex, The publication I mentioned above, "The Great Texts of the Bible," was published in 1911, whereas, we had only taken upon ourselves the specific identification as being "Jehovah's witnesses" in 1935. Therefore, in 1911, Hastings could have never knowingly been writing about our "group," for that is not how we were referring to ourselves at that time; i.e., "Bible Students." Furthermore, since James Hastings had no connection with the Watchtower Society, he couldn’t have ever later identified himself as one of us, "Jehovah's Witnesses," as he died in 1922, being a Scottish Presbyterian minister up till then. Those known today as "Jehovah's Witnesses" see themselves as joining together with all past faithful servants of God. Within Hebrews 11, after the apostle Paul had listed many men and women of faith, at Hebrews 12:1, he there then refers to them all as 'a great cloud of witnesses.' Quite interestingly, even Jesus had been spoken of as "The Faithful Witness," as well as "the faithful and true witness." (Revelation 1:5 & 3:14) Yes, according to the Bible, they were all Jehovah’s faithful witnesses - and, with God’s help, we hope to prove to be as well. Agape, JohnOneOne. http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

JD
JD

"The congregation was a balanced mix of crackers, Mexis, Asians and soul-brethren."   Why do the other writers at the Weekly always try to sound like Gustavo?  The problem is that without his wit and intelligence, this author just sounds like a giant poser D-bag.  

Alex
Alex

So you are suggesting this writer from 'Christendom' is putting to pen a history of your group? I don't think so. The fact that you can't produce anything also from the mighty powerful Watchtower presses shows that it has not history before Charles Taze Russel. Your group can combo words from the scriptures and make names out of it but it doesn't mean you were part of the script.

K7KTR
K7KTR

 Yes they do, I admire them for that. However, You should understand what FIDUCIARY means. This is why in Elders Meetings you can't have a Witness, Can't Record because it then through LAW (3rd Party) and can be used in Court. This has proven true in so many cases. I see yet another $25,000,000 was rewarded to an Abused member. That like Taxes is Your Donations and Donations from Printed Page sold. The Organization has 1.4 Billion dollars of Net Worth and Witnesses Suck off each other to survive. Like when Katrina happened, PR WORK. Sure they rebuilt 300 homes. But omitted was ONLY WITNESS HOMES. The Samaritan surely was left by the Roadside here. To LOVE is to accept ALL not just members of the Congregation. Christ said HOW you could Identify his TRUE Followers. Witnesses accept another of Gods creation ONLY if they Buy Books and accept Book Studies. They, Organization don't fight these claims for they use the Excuse of Not wanting to put Jehovah's name in the papers in a bad light. When really it exposes what actually went on and how Elders don't call the Police because it puts Jehovah's name in a bad light. I thing GOD can take care of his own name. Which I might add, Look at the 1983 Questions for Baptism and today's Current ones. Today you swear an oath to the Organization, Before you accepted Christ yet all you hear about is Jehovah whereas Eternal Life points to accepting Christ. After which when all is done THEN the kingdom will be handed back to the Father.

K7KTR
K7KTR

 Have you looked up K7KTR? Top of Googles list. It is a Ham Radio call sign. Dork! I have nothing to hide. What angers you is you know you love Jehovah, Hopefully you remember all the Scriptures that say, It is through Christ Jesus that one has the merit of salvation and forgiveness of your sins. No Where does it say that through Idolatry you MUST ACCEPT the "Faithful Slave" on EARTH as a Path to Eternal life. Saying that Christ mediated for the 144,000 ONLY and then to be able to take provision of that you have to SUCK UP to another HUMAN is IDOLATRY. Christ died for ALL MANKIND not a select few that you must bow to as again THIS IS IDOLATRY. Personally I can't wait for Revelation to come true. Sadly you'll run to the Society and ask "What do I do?" Yet Christ already said what to do. I hope your not the ONE who cries, Lord Lord, Did I not do this/that in your name? You know HIS reply. So stand for Jesus, Like at his Baptism when God said, "This is my Son, Listen to HIM. Sucking up to a man made organization will be your fall. Peace. http://k7ktr.com 

:D
:D

"my sister wouldn't go to college in 75 because the world was going to end, according to the watchtower" ......May I ask which watchtower article said that? Because while i know there was for sure a lot of speculation surrounding 1975 by *individuals*, no publication that I've seen ever provided a definitive statement saying that the end would come in 1975. Yes, Some articles seemed to suggest that it was possible, but none were definitive. In fact eight years before 1975 the 05-01-1967 watchtower said "...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience.....Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?....It very well *could* be, but we will have to wait and see."  Other articles on the matter frequently used words such as "may", "could" and "possibly" Even Frederick Franz (the then President of the WBTS) instructed: "... don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975." - Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast; Heading: the Year 1975;  (10/15/66 Watchtower) It was individuals within the organization who put a date of 1975, not the organization itself. In fact my dad (a jw at the time) bought his first house in 1975 signing a 30 year term because he knew like many other faithful jw's that Jehovah will bring the end in His own due time until then any date is just *individuals* speculation. Oh and btw whether a person attends college or not is up to them, yes over the years they have warned against the pursuit of higher education but they also warn about the pursuit of materialism, pleasure, ect. Ect. But that doesnt mean material things or pleasure or even education are wrong- they just need to be kept in there place. jw's encourage putting Gods kingdom first, teaching others the bible and letting nothing whether it be college, career, pursuit of material things or even pursuit of pleasure interfere with that. And maybe it's best she didn't go to college- it seems the decisions she's made up until now have kept her close to Jehovah and really that's alll that matters in the end anyways :D

goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone
goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone

Dear Gary, Whereas you said, "If God wanted to give credibility to this organization wouldn't He do it by making their prophecies come true?" Perhaps this can be explained by the following: "The Problem with 'False Prophecy' Polemics" http://www.jehovah.to/xlation/fp.html And, as this enlightening article reveals, "Thus, the Watch Tower Society is not a false prophet, for the simple reason that it is not a prophet. It makes no claim that any of its members have heard voices from God, seen visions or in any other way been directly influenced to make a certain proclamation beyond what is in the Bible. It has made mistakes in explaining or interpreting parts of the Bible, but as we have seen, so have other religious organizations." Agape, JohnOneOne. http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

Alex
Alex

So now you are pretending that the WT hasn't claimed to be a prophet (sure thing), yet if one doesn't agree with the smallest doctrines of the Watchtower they get disfellowshipped. Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone
goodcompanionbooks.johnoneone

The reason why I would reject your reasoning is that, if the "majority" vote of even "the most qualified" is the single, most important key for determining truth, then this would unavoidably mean that those who assassinated Jesus were most assuredly fully justified in doing so; after all, Jesus and his disciples were certainly in the minority. On the other hand, when examining more closely the dialogue of the current "majority," little is it known that their reasoning’s offered against an "a god" rendering of theos within John 1:1c has fluctuated over time, oftentimes even in direct contradiction to many of their earlier offerings. This is much of what our study, "What About John 1:1?" is designed to address, that is, apart from also addressing the few other scriptures likewise presented by Trinitarians in support of their man-made doctrine. Agape, JohnOneOne. http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

Alex
Alex

Sure thing mystery John. Just like Christ created all 'other' things right? Truly you are a fraud.

Gary
Gary

My sister wouldn't go to college in '75 because the world was ending, according to the Watchtower.  If God wanted to give credibility to this organization wouldn't He do it by making their prophecies come true? Studying the Bible passages, it says God purposefully makes their prophecy come out wrong to show "who" is a false prophet.  (No, He doesn't say its okay to keep believing them if they admit they were wrong.) How can one who claims he really does love God, cheerfully reject what God says about false prophets?  Saying, "Jehovah is my God, but I don't have to do what Jehovah says do," is silly. I asked my sister why she didn't leave after '75.  She said she wanted to, but looked around and couldn't find any people as "good" as the Jehovah Witnesses.  Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? 2 Tim 3:5 "...having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Right.  My mom invited them in.  Gullible my sister and mom were.  Fortunately my mom saw the light and came out, the scales falling from her eyes to do it. Our prayers are continuous for my sister that she too would wake up.

Jack123
Jack123

 How hot were the women?

Bill T.
Bill T.

Man, where's my "Like" button. Whined to the webmaster, no response. (Bill goes off to his corner to feel sorry for himelf.  Again.)

Bill T.
Bill T.

The only references to "nut" that I can find are in your and Marcia Paul's posts, please cite the quote so I can understand your post.

Alex
Alex

The majority and the most qualified don't support your translation. John 1:1 is only the tip of the ice-burg. All on has to do is research and all the question marks appear. The New World Translation is different for a reason. The Watchtower puts much emphasis on its own publications (to put emphasis on things and minimising others), when the scriptures don't. The NWT goes on to finish the job by making their bible Watchtower doctrine friendly.

MsFree
MsFree

Not hating just facts! I wasn't invited ti my daughtera wedding and my devout JW parents helped my ex husband still "in the truth" to get custody of my otjer two. All because I left the religion when I decided I wasn't going to let the fear they intilled in my mind stop me. I was always told I would loose my friends and family if I did- and that's exactly what happped. I left the small town I lived in to come to Cali to start fresh and it hasn't been easy but well worrh it!

Steve
Steve

You need to research the original Greek and the anarthrous predicate noun to get the correct translation of John 1:1. But if you don't want to do your homework, then here's some simpler reasoning to consider: IF JESUS IS GOD…1. Why is he called the “firstborn” of all creation? Col 1:15, Rev 3:14 2. Why did he say that he did not come of his “own initiative” but was sent? John 8:42, 1 John 4:9 3. Why did Jesus not know the “day and the hour” of the Great Tribulation but God did? Matt 24:36 4. Who did Jesus speak to in prayer? Matt 26:36 5. How did he “appear before the person of God for us”? Heb 9:24 6. Why did Jesus say “the father is greater than I am”? John 14:28, Phil 2:5,6 7. Who spoke to Jesus at the time of his baptism saying “this is my son”? Matt 3:17 8. How could he be exalted to a superior position? Phil 2:9,10 9. How can he be the “Mediator between God and Man”? 1Tim 2:5 10. Why did Paul say “the head of Christ is God”? 1Cor 11:30 11. Why did Jesus “Hand over the Kingdom to his God” and “subject himself to God”? 1Cor 15:24,28 12. Who does he refer to as “my God and your God”? John 20:17 13. How does he sit at God’s right hand? Ps 110:1, Heb 10:12,13 14. Why does John say “no man has seen God at any time”? John 1:18 15. Why did not people die when they saw Jesus? Ex 30:20 16. How was Jesus Dead and God alive at the same time? Acts 2:24 17. Why did he need someone to save him? Heb 5:7 18. Who is referred to prophetically at Pro 8:22-31? 19. Why did Jesus say “that all authority has been GIVEN to me in heaven and on earth”? Matt 4:11, Dan 7:13,14(similar) 20. Why did he have godly fear? Heb 5:7 21. How could he learn obedience and be made perfect? Heb 5:8,9 22. Why would an angel be able to strengthen him or angels minister to him? Luke 22:43, Matt 4:11 23. Why would Satan try to tempt him if he KNEW that he was GOD? Matt 4:1-11. 24. Jesus when sent to the earth was made to “be Lower” than the angels. Heb 2:7 How could any part of a God Head EVER be lower than the angels he created? 25. Then if Jesus was the same as God, who was he being tempted to rebel against? Could God be tempted to rebel against himself? Matt 4:1 26. Near the end of his earthly life, Jesus cried out “My God, why have you forsaken me?” Matt 27:46 Can God desert or forsake himself? 27. Heb.5:8 says that Jesus learned obedience! To whom would he obey if he was GOD? And does God need to learn anything? 28. God’s justice is strictly perfect. Ex 21:23-25 for example. The ransom price was one perfect human for another. An imperfect man’s life would be too low. Ps 49:7 If Jesus was the same as God, the ransom price paid by a God would have been too high. Adam was a perfect MAN and the ransom price was a perfect MAN, not higher or lower. 

Angus Robertson
Angus Robertson

Get an education. Jehovah is a mistranslation by Jesuit priest. My creator? Don't make me laugh! Your imaginary friend is no more my creator than Allah, Thor, Venus or Vishnu.These are all constructs that have been used to instil fear and hatred. 

Grinding1
Grinding1

Amen,any idiot that has that much time to write such a long article that has nothing to say postive is a waste of all of our time

richierich
richierich

Google Jehovah's witnesses & find out about child abuse cover ups galore right from the top of the pyramid selling system of the cult. Find out how many of their members that they have condemned to a suffering death in order to defend a retarded doctrine. We were warned that Satan would try to dupe us by coming as wolves in sheep's clothing. Is this Satan's true  organization?  Jehovah's witnesses take turns in rejecting the body & blood of Christ so yes that would make them Anti-Christ. Beware of the wicker man.too

:D
:D

Your posts are nonsense- I have a beard (i give talks and go in service) and just went to my cousins school play(who is a jw)- cant you be more creative? Example: jw's cant eat cotton candy or go on rollercoasters :D any mistakes jws have made, they admit, they correct and they move forward.. whoever reads your posts and knows anything about jw's knows your a liar and follow in the footsteps of your "father"...

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virginia beach flower shop

There are no crosses. They believe Jesus Christ was plopped on a stake, and the "pagan symbol" of the cross was merely an evangelistic tool that some early Christians used to make it easier for the lost to receive the faith. With me so far, ye heathen?

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