[UPDATE: Moxley Skeptical of Case] Did Officer Manuel Ramos Warm Up on a Disabled Man Before The Kelly Thomas Killing?

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Officer Ramos
UPDATE, 2:37 P.M.: I can't vouch for this lawsuit. For 19 hours, Russell R. Arens--the 1988 University of the Pacific McGeorge School of Law graduate who is the plaintiff's lawyer--knowingly ignored five calls to answer simple questions. That conduct makes me leery of the merits of the suit. After additional investigation, my prediction: The Fullerton police and Ramos will win this case. If my educated hunch is right and this is a cheap attempt to capitalize on the death of Kelly Thomas, I despise it.

ORIGINAL POST, 8 A.M.: About two weeks before he turned his fatal charms on an unarmed, homeless, schizophrenic man at the Fullerton Transportation Center in July 2011, did police officer Manual Anthony Ramos unnecessarily attack a disabled man in a grocery store parking lot?

That's the story told in a lawsuit filed this month in Orange County Superior Court against the Fullerton Police Department (FPD) and Ramos, who is on the verge of formally being fired and faces a second degree murder charge for the July 5, 2011, fatal cop beating of Kelly Thomas.

Mark Edwin Walker, who is disabled, said that he stopped at an Albertsons in Fullerton on the evening of June 21 to fill a pharmacy prescription. When he left the store, Ramos approached and searched him without stating a reason, according to the lawsuit.

"Why are you hassling me?" Walker says he asked Ramos.

According to the lawsuit, the cop said nothing in response but picked up the 58-year-old Chino Hills man, slammed him to the ground and stomped on his hand.

The alleged police brutality knocked off Walker's wedding ring and fractured a bone in his hand.

Ramos apparently wasn't sympathetic.

When Walker complained about the excessive force, the cop replied, "Fucking shut up," according to the lawsuit.

Walker claims Ramos falsely arrested him for being intoxicated in public, threw him in jail with wounds and, hours later, made him walk nearly four miles back to his vehicle parked at the grocery store.

Sound like the thug involved in savagely killing Thomas?

A judge eventually dismissed the charge against Walker at the request of the Orange County District Attorney's office because Ramos was himself a criminal suspect.

Arens, Walker's Seal Beach-based lawyer, said in the 20-page complaint for damages that Ramos "had no reasonable suspicion or probable cause to approach and detain [Walker] and did so for the sole purpose of harassing a 58-year-old disabled man Ramos deemed unworthy."

Lawyers for the FPD and Ramos have not yet filed a formal response to the allegations, but their defense is sure to mention that Walker got nailed for a 2005 DUI.

The case has been assigned to Superior Court Judge Jamoa A. Moberly.

Ramos and officer Jay Cicinelli, who also faces criminal charges in the Thomas killing, lost an attempt to derail the Orange County District Attorney's office case against them at an April preliminary hearing.

Both cops say they are innocent because Thomas didn't obey instructions and caused them to reluctantly use force.

Go HERE to read my last Moxley Confidential column on the case.

(rscottmoxley at ocweekly dot com)

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Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

Angela Salley · SubscribeSubscribed · Kells, Meath, Ireland · 216 subscribers WHAT A BLOODY MORON.I can understand you wanting to lie for your son but if you had bothered to watch the video and listened to all that was said, Cicinelli knew exactly what was going on and joined in.LOOK AT THE VIDEO!!!!There is absolutely no doubt that he (Cicinelli) and the others were getting off on the violence that was taking place.Kelly could not and did not retaliate and was yelling for help and not one officer help him in any way.If your son was so innocent why then did Cicinelli actually say that he smashed Kelly's face in? You sir are a deluded fool and your son is a murderer.I hope that you are proud of yourself because you do not know right from wrong.So shut your mouth and stop telling lies on the radio.You are just showing yourself to be an even bigger idiot than you already are.MURDER IS MURDER IS MURDER!!! CICINELLI IS A MURDERER.SUCK IT UP!!!!

Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

OC Citizen and your sidekick, Gigi,  Here's a quote that applies to your ilk "So, back to our selfless heroes on the Fullerton PD -whats their story? If the awesome burden of their service is too much for their sensitive souls, get another job. But don’t expect us to fellate you for your sacrifice -you weren’t drafted and any thanks I owe you comes in the form of pay and benefits. Not happy with those? See “get another job” above.And if you beat some poor guy to death and your department (to include your supposedly “good” comrades who object, but not so strenously they will speak out like men of honor) covers it up, there is not a prison too dark or tree to hang you from too high to suit me. Warriors defend the defenseless from Thugs like you."

Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

Hahaha! You're funny when you're drunk My wig??? Why do you ask? Would you like to try on a wig of your own, one of my dresses, perhaps? Any more questions, missy?

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

Shit for brains......like the other crack hoes.

Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

Aww don't cry, girly, I know it's not easy for you being a fat tub of lard. Go drink some more and pass out in your own vomit Wait for it.... here she comes..." is that all you got???" Hahahaha! So snappy with the comebacks

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

That is the best you got.....so sad. Shit for brains just like the other crack hoes.

Nanette Valencia
Nanette Valencia

Go ask your boyfriend, he's there to answer your pointless questions, not me

Liz
Liz

I hope Ramos get his fat face windpipe and ribs smashed in!

policeshouldbinhandcuffs
policeshouldbinhandcuffs

Folks Wake up - there are so many Manual Ramos's in every single OC and Southern California law enforcement agency. This is not an isolated incident. Nearly 99.5% of all criminal actions done by Police Officers goes unreported. There is no way in hell a brother police officer is going to turn in another officer.  So are we just going to keep reporting on those we know about and do nothing about the real root of the problem or what? Police corruption is growing by staggering numbers in OC

Jaime Cook
Jaime Cook

All 6 of these killers in costumes MUST be charged with 2nd degree murder and convicted, THAT and NOTHING LESS would be justice for Kelly Thomas. Prosecuting all 6 police officers is the only way to send a very clear message that police brutality and the violent torture and murder of innocent Americans will “NEVER” be tolerated. The police must learn they will be held "FULLY" accountable for their actions when they sadistically torture and brutally murder American citizens as they did in this case. When sadistic police murder is as clear as this and each reader here does nothing, then YOU the reader are supporting these murderers by doing nothing, only 2 of these killers have been charged with a crime, readers where is your patriotism?, do you not care about America?. Kelly Thomas a mentally ill American who was brutally murdered cannot do it, it is too late for him he is DEAD FOREVER, only “we” together can put a stop to this, if you do nothing then next time it may be YOU or YOUR FAMILY MEMBER who gets murdered by these “killers in costumes”. Call AND write the Orange County District Attorney, and your House Rep, and both California Senators offices, let YOUR voice be heard, DO IT. Again, call AND write the Orange County District Attorney, and your House Rep, and both California Senators offices, let YOUR voice be heard, DO IT TODAY, remember YOU pay their salary and they work for you, so USE THEM, be patriotic stand up for America and stand up for justice.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

It's not happening homeless man.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

It's not happening homeless man.

Tom Spalsbury
Tom Spalsbury

I hope as a Homeless man myself that both Cops that Murderd Kelly Thomas get life!!!

Russell Arens
Russell Arens

Russell Arens comments that the 20 hours provided starts at 8:30 at night (5/31) and a threatening phone call to my associate. I left a message for Mr. Module at 2:40 (6/1). There is no reason to trash Mr. Walter's allegations.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Police brutality like you say, is growing because of the rude population of people out there in the world. No respect for authority. They prefer it to be the wild wild west. Do as I want,  no repercussion. It's a hateful world, especially to authority.

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

I would hope that as a homeless man yourself you would GET A LIFE!!

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Lawyer Arens--I will not slaughter his name like he called me "Mr. Module"--suggests that I made a "threatening" phone call to his associate. Pathetic. What I told Richard Nusbaum, his partner, was that if Arens continued to hide from my questions, I would add that fact to my news report. When my requests for a simple, quick interview were knowingly ignored, I amended the story to add that fact. During his delay, I learned facts about the case that I am sure Arens does not want the public to know. Stay tuned.

Russell Arens
Russell Arens

Corrections ....Mr. Moxley and Mr. Walker. Darn speller...

Russell Arens

Linda
Linda

 The police are not my authority!!!!

WeRuleNotYou
WeRuleNotYou

 hahahahaha.  I'm sorry, its just that when the two-bit fascists of the world drop their guard and tell us all how they REALLY feel, its just too precious.  Hohohohoho. Oh by the way?  Just in case you're "authority" - Fuck you.

Richard Nusbaum
Richard Nusbaum

Mr. Moxley: You did act in a hostile and threatening manner.  You would not take my statement that all inquiries in this matter were to go to Mr. Arens. You were dropping F-bombs my way. You reacted in a hostile tone towards me when I directed you to Mr. Arens to answer 2 simple questions. Finally you demanded that I have Mr. Arens call you in 20 minutes under threat of researching this case to death.  You interpreted the "delay" as you called it as a sign we had something to hide not once thinking that perhaps Mr. Arens' calendar was such that he could not return your call. Your update, as you read it to me four minutes before your self-imposed deadline is not fact but opinion, an opinion for which you have every right to express. 

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

Doesn't it suck when people get it wrong?

Todd Sputnik
Todd Sputnik

"Lawyer" Arens?  The adjective is dispositive.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Let me make sure everyone knows my opinion: lawyer Arens and plaintiff Mark Walker will not win this case. Bank on it. Mr. Arens can whine all he wants and I am willing to bet that it's smelly hot air. As much as people want to trounce Ramos for what he did to Kelly Thomas, this case, I firmly now believe, isn't supportive.

WeRuleNotYou
WeRuleNotYou

I was under the impression that Ramos was trying to beat a homeless man to death.  That strikes me as rather more serious than a reporter swearing, but perhaps that's just me.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Wow.. wasn't that what Ramos was trying to do. Is is just OK to us the F-bomb when you say its OK. You need help NOW!

gloria
gloria

R Scott Moxley.......if you need to use an F bomb to the pope Im kosher with that, if it gets us a bit closer to the truth, thank you for your offending ways, they make for great reading.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Dear Richard Nusbaum: If I have to pick between being a lawyer hoping to enrich himself unjustly on the killing of Kelly Thomas or the person tossing an F bomb at that lawyer, I will gladly stick with my present role and do what I can to live with the heavy burden that you don't like me. Thank you.

Richard Nusbaum
Richard Nusbaum

Mr. Moxley: Suffice to say the F-bombs did not offend me. Unprofessional perhaps.  For someone who prides himself on doing research, you truly do not know us Seal Beach lawyers. Instead, you have jumped to the opinions you have made as to our motives.  Again, you have that right.   I do not have anything more to say on this case.  Thanks.  I wish you luck in the future.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Richard Nusbaum: During my calls with you, I realized your firm was purposefully avoiding questions. After waiting 19 hrs, an additional 20 min deadline was reasonable. As for the F bomb, sorry you were offended. Know what offends me? Two Seal Beach lawyers trying to use the savage Kelly Thomas killing to unjustly enrich themselves. In fact, that type of conduct makes me want to vomit.

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

I wasn't addressing your story Mr. Moxley. I was referencing Mr. Arens allegations that your phone calls were of a threatening nature.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

You are a coward and an idiot. I reported the filing of the lawsuit. I did not make the claims made in the lawsuit. Get your mommy to explain this distinction to you.

timo3004
timo3004

@Gigi Gomez your just a troll suckin up to pigs


Suzycute556044
Suzycute556044

too much force that's the problem when you over do it, it result in death it's your fault

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

And the correct spelling is which, not witch..which is what you are.

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

From ALL your comments so far, I can conclude that your psychosis has lead to your delusional beliefs. Although it is reassuring to know that Kelly's Mob is made up of nut jobs like you, I think it is time to put down that crack pipe.

gloria
gloria

correct english would be...you are "AN" asshole...just trying to help out a classy lady keep it classy....

gloria
gloria

um what planet are you from? My Father a police officer, hispanic man, in shape never cheated on my mother, never killed anyone,never fired a shot,he is a POLICE OFFICER, not some fat fuck walrus, that FTT wouldnt take because frankly he was a pussy, and I guess still is,I stand corrected-he still is a pussy...as for jealous, not one bone in my body has an inkling ( if you dont know the big words try a dictionary) of anything but absolute disgust for anyone or any thing affiliated with the Ramos's ...now for you..apparently your freindless right now, so being from a police family and how we stand together...get the fuck out, run with your kids, he will be in jail, he treats you bad, cheated on you, and frankly would talk shit about your fat ass and his fine other girlfreind he has holed up in riverside, cmon I dont care if your in love with charles manson, I do care is your kids, get them the fuck away from that family run...ok by your size...maybe jog away quickly..I have lived with an officer for years, you arent living with a cop,your man, the one you let penetrate you, he is a pig and should be treated accordingly.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

No, only dipshits like yourself and your fat fuck of a hero, Manny.

gloria
gloria

try to beat a dead horse, you and manny play the sex game beat the dead homeless guy? I bet you do.

gloria
gloria

yep Im a pagan,- I find it cute dont you?

gloria
gloria

not even sure what your talking about, we are talking about your man, again abusing his power, you better get down to the PD, while its still corrupt and maybe one of the out of shape cops, might bang you...someone is worried that her mans pension maybe gone, maybe you should loose some weight,and try for another cop..or here is a shocker, get a job, and leave that sad sack, because at the trial when they saunter in his girlfreind,your gonna be laughed at, save face, seriously and get away, get your child support-Im sure by the look of you , you squeezed out a coupa ramos rejects,get your money get the fuck away from him write a book on what a fuck tard he is, and get a real life with real people. Dried up crack hoes....that is funny, better be a dried up crack hoe, than a whore that sleeps with butchers of homeless people, I would say,  anyone with brains would rather be a crack whore than a slimy anchor baby maker and bad cop fucker....you make me laugh- they told me you were this lame,ugly fat and now this, have you no esteem, I feel bad for your kids, a dad who should be put to death over his deeds, and then there is you, they have ZERO chance at success- you must be so proud. Manny's mother should have swallowed. the world would be a better place for it.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

And you are a asshole. That's the comparison.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Jealousy will get you no where Gloria.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Yeah, whatever your point was. No one got it.  I'll see you in court with my husband. Ark, Ark!

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

You beat everyone to death with your OC Weekly trash paper.

OC Citizen
OC Citizen

It doesn't compare to the dried up crack hoes we see behind Ron Thomas at all their press ops. From the way you write, you must be one of them.

gloria
gloria

speak for yourself, sir-I pray no such thing, I pray the gene pool ends soon, just out of stupidity the herd should be thinned by summer, by their own mis-deads, and karma.

gloria
gloria

Wow, so we all know Manny has 2 women, the fat one in court that wears her pants too tight, witch produces a a fat camel toe, we call her camel toe double chin,and then there is the cute little girl he has holed up in the 909...I wonder which one this is? 20 bux says the fat one the cutie pie is gettin lingerie from the walrus,the one he doesnt bring around the parkin meter maid mom. O gigi, he has cheated on you for sooo long, if you werent banging a homeless murder,I would feel bad for you, but while you watch the snuff film, and he is going down on you , and it looks like a freaking pack of hot dogs layin on that fat neck of his,do you yell dad dad dad too? Just wonderin

TheFullertonLottery
TheFullertonLottery

Its really quite amazing how useful that comeback is in Fullerton these days.

TheFullertonLottery
TheFullertonLottery

 Gigi - please know that the citizens of Fullerton are praying for you.  We pray that when Manny roles over at night he does not crush you to death, ala Kelly Thomas.  We also deeply hope that your foreplay with Manny does not involve rubber gloves.

TheFullertonLottery
TheFullertonLottery

 The lawsuit hasn't been thrown out.  And Manny is more of a cow than a horse. Though of course the most appropriate animal comparison would be "pig."

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Wow! You really are slow. Completely missed the point of my "wife" remark. But thanks for outing yourself! See u n court!

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Call me a sick puppy, but it's the truth. 

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

I am glad I gave you a giggle. We will see who giggles last.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Officer Ramos is not married dingball!! I am glad your name is attached to your word. Now he can prove who open their mouth and insert foot.

Katt A.
Katt A.

Lol!! Sue for libel u mean? Omg! Funniest thing ur ignorant azz has said by far!! Lololol:) thanx for the giggles

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Kelly Thomas was a "casualty of war"? You are one sick puppy. Now I understand why you cowardly hide behind a fake name.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Hi again "Gigi": Tell your husband, officer Ramos, to swing by OC Weekly. Somehow I am guessing you are all cheap, anonymous talk. Note please that my real name is attached to my words. You, my dear, are a coward.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

They will not win, because it was already thrown out. Trying to beat a dead horse.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Gustavo you are just another slime ball that writes for this stupid (free) paper.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

You put it on this paper without backing up your story. I think an apology is in order. You just want to print anything whether its the truth or not.

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Welcome to the job of a police officer. Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it. Sometime its casualties of war and sometimes is non-compliant individuals that just don't want to go to jail. No matter what its a tough job.  

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Yo, "Gigi Gomez": Try another couple of ounces of the dog that nailed ya. I did not file this lawsuit so how could I, as you absurdly allege, back peddle?

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

 Nice to know Ramos' supporters are as stupid as he is!

TheFullertonLottery
TheFullertonLottery

 Is that the "kill the schizophrenic homeless man" list, or the "stomp on the disabled person and falsely arrest them" list?

Gigi Gomez
Gigi Gomez

Now you are back peddling. I hope Ramos sues you for defamation. I hope you are on his list.

TheFullertonLottery
TheFullertonLottery

 Mr. Moxley, with respect, I wonder if this is really the case.  There are a dozen or so lawsuits currently filed alleging police brutality and false arrest against various officers of the FPD. If it can be shown that there is a pattern of brutality in any of these suits (and you can bet your bottom dollar that that WILL be established) then the rest of the suits can probably win based on the existence of that pattern and the culpability of the department in covering this pattern up, not doing anything to address these ongoing issues with multiple officers, etc.  So it is more likely that the City will settle ALL of these cases, unless, hopefully, the recall wins and the Council choose NOT to settle, not based on financial considerations, but due to their integrity and desire to see the entire truth about the Fullerton police department come out.  Just my 2 cents.

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