Local Sunnis and Shiites Declare New Muslim Sect: Sushi!

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There could be another sect in Islam if the Sunni and Shiite communities ever set aside their longstanding differences: Sushi. Get it?

That was the running joke during an intrafaith dialogue held between the two factions Monday night before an audience of about 300 Muslims at the Islamic Educational Center of Orange County in Costa Mesa.

Sheikh Yassir Fazaga, a Sunni, and Imam Sayed Moustafa Al-Qazwini, a Shiite, led the conversation, which was tense at times, but filled with humor and mutual respect. Al-Qazwini acknowledged that the differences have led to more than theological schisms, with blood spilled around the world by warring Muslims who believe their way is right.

"But here in America, we should live differently, we should live Islamcally," Al-Qazwini said.

He compared some Muslims to former President George W. Bush in their intolerance for differing opinions, and paraphrased a famous Bush expression when he said many Muslims believe their brothers in the faith are either for them or against them.

The main schism between the two sects, with the Sunnis making up roughly 85 percent of all Muslims, was highlighted early in the talk, and continued to permeate the discussion, that is, whether Muhammad's successors as caliph -- the spiritual and temporal leaders after his death in 632 -- descended through Ali, his son-in-law.

Most Muslims wanted the community to choose the prophet's successor, while a small minority believed the successor should come from Muhammad's family. The Sunnis won and picked a successor to become the first caliph. Ali was the fourth caliph, and was assassinated. His son, al-Hussein, died in 661 in a massacre along with his fighters in Karbala, which is now Iraq. Shiites believe that later caliphs were usurpers, while Sunnis don't have a caliph.

Neither Fazaga nor Al-Qazwini backed down from their positions, but they stated their cases in a spirit of brotherhood. Fazaga said the point of the conversation was not to convince those who disagree, but to clarify why each side believes as they do, and hopefully bring understanding.

"Ignorance breeds fear," he said. "Shia know very little about Sunnis, Sunnis know very little about Shia, and as a result we become very afraid and fearful of the unknown."

Still, he was often peppered with hard questions about his teaching, with a handful of attendees raising their voices at him, or shouting at each other.

Fazaga reminded the audience that a 1,400-year-old fight wouldn't be settled in a Costa Mesa meeting of Muslims on Memorial Day, and asked how the two groups could move forward.

"Practically speaking, if we were to all agree right now that Ali was to supposed be the calipha, what difference does it make at this point?" he said.

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Shame
Shame

I don't understand why the reporter would "sex up a rather respectful meeting". You want muslims to act out and fight so you can show the world what? They behaved. They acted with love and respect. Yet someone with a duty to produce fair and balanced media, walks off disappointed because they acted more civil than any of the comments below. Which is NOT saying much.

JoshDulaney
JoshDulaney

You clearly don't understand reporters. I was praying to the god of my understanding that a fistfight would break out, so I could shoot video, post it here and give you the opportunity to tell us all about "them people."

But all I got was a couple of folks hitting the Sunni leader with tough comments, one guy yelling at another man over a doctrine, and a couple guys shouting at the same man to stop preaching, ask his question, or step away from the microphone. So no, I sexed up what was an otherwise respectful meeting.

Must be my anti-Muslim bias.

Schrody
Schrody

You best back off wit yo anti-Muslim rants, J-dawg because Allah...he gets all my love.

twostellas
twostellas

Haha, nice job trying to cover for their yelling and so forth.Oh and your photo, yeah Muslims are all for 'peace', as they define it. Peace under the rule of Islam, and if you dont agree that means war.

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

 It must be so convenient to have your brain fog over for you when it comes time to do any sort of critical thinking. It's just so much easier to paint people you don't know with whatever brush you have at hand! Some Muslims are militant and warlike, therefore all Muslims are militant and warlike!

Here, let me help you understand in terms you should understand why that's a ridiculous way to think of things. Let's take, hm... Christians. Christianity covers a lot of sects (sit down, Josh, I said sects), so let's see if we can make some absurd sweeping generalizations:

1. Christians all like to play creepy games with small children. (Some Catholic priests did this, therefore all Christians must.)

2. Christians all want gay people to die. (Some Christians want gay people to die—hello there, North Carolina "pastor" and your imaginary gay fence—therefore all Christians must.)

3. Christians are all against the birth control pill.

4. Christians are all dedicated to having as many children as they can. (the Duggar family)

5. Christians all want to burn down churches they don't agree with.

6. Christians all hate strawberry ice cream.

See, in the real world, people can differ without hating each other. In the real world, enormous groups such as a religion or an ethnicity are made up of many individual people who have differing opinions and differing strength of opinions.

Come to the real world. It's a lot less stressful and scary.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Dave Dave Dave.... Have you ever heard the expression "Facepalm"" 

1. Christians all like to play creepy games with small children. (Some Catholic priests did this, therefore all Christians must.) 

The official stance of the church is that this is wrong and the perps must be punished.  Under Sharia Law you can sell your underage daughter to a creepy old man for some goats and a few Rials or Dinar... And if she dont want to go you can beat her to death. 

2. Christians all want gay people to die. (Some Christians want gay people to die—hello there, North Carolina "pastor" and your imaginary gay fence—therefore all Christians must.) 

In the middle east the very accusation that you might be gay is grounds for stoning to death... Hello Ahmadinejad speech to Columbia university where he said they don't have gays in Iran... Yeah If I was threatened to be stoned to death I wouldn't come out either.  

3. Christians are all against the birth control pill. 

Muslims are against premarital sex period and even if a woman is raped she is the one who has brought shame on her family because she probably was asking for it. . 

4. Christians are all dedicated to having as many children as they can. (the Duggar family) 

And so are Muslims... With as many wives as possible.. But they had better give you boys because girls are darn near worthless. 

5. Christians all want to burn down churches they don't agree with. 

Muslims want to wipe an entire race of people off the planet because of their religion. 

6. Christians all hate strawberry ice cream. 

This is true... It's fucking creepy... 

"See, in the real world, people can differ without hating each other" 

You're right... In my multiple years in the middle east this is what I have witnessed... Dont hate me for it... I don't hate Muslims I just don't let them get away with crying foul for perceived injustices or racial profiling... CNN yesterday, over 100 Afghan girls were poisoined... Why? because they dared to get an education... How fucking barbaric is that? 3 days ago on CNN they featured that girl whose face was carved up by her husband... Why because she ran away after years of being abused.  All she wanted was to stop being beaten. How many people were arrested for assaulting her? None! 

The number one selling book in the Muslim world "A Gift for a Muslim Couple"

and what is this wonderful gift? 

Research has shown men are looking for successful methods to achieve a happy satisfying life long marriage. Absolute control of and submission by their wives is the key. Chapter lessons include:The necessity “to restrain the wife with strength or even to threaten her.”“How the husband should treat the wife with kindness and love, even if she tends to be stupid and slow sometimes.”The absolute rights of the husband, which include his wife’s inability to leave “his house without his permission,” and that his wife must “fulfill his desires” and “not allow herself to be untidy ... but should beautify herself for him.How a husband may scold her, “beat by hand or stick,” withhold money from her or “pull (her) by the ears,” but should “refrain from beating her excessively.”

909Jeff
909Jeff

This was in the news today 

CHINO - A Chino Hills man was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole Wednesday for slaying of his estranged wife. A jury found Samir Wahid, now 41, guilty last month of first-degree murder for the stabbing death of 33-year-old Iman Wahid. She was attacked at 1:30 p.m. on May 25, 2010 at their home in the 15800 block of Sedona Avenue. The jury also found Samir Wahid to have committed the act while lying in wait and for financial gain. He was incensed over support payments he was ordered to make in the couple's divorce, according to court records. Wahid chased his wife down Sedona Avenue and stabbed her in the street.  Wahid came to the United States from Lebanon in 1995 to marry Samir Wahid.

Of course... Why should a Muslim man have to pay support to his disgrace of a wife... In Lebanon he would have gotten away with this. 

http://www.dailybulletin.com/c...

909Jeff
909Jeff

I think I have clearly pointed out how serious they are... I'm not speaking as some so cal punk with an opinion...I have spent significant time in the middle east in no less than 7 countries... These eyes have witnessed a lot.  

Dannyclark222
Dannyclark222

Brother, you do not realize how serious these people are about their beliefs. And their beliefs allow them to deny their faith in order to get to where they need to be. Our system of gov allows them to come in and grow in strength. Their religion allows them to destroy us.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Point taken and I politely disagree.

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

"The official stance of the church is that this is wrong and the perps must be punished.  Under Sharia Law you can sell your underage daughter to a creepy old man for some goats and a few Rials or Dinar... And if she dont want to go you can beat her to death."

This is in the Bible, too. The difference is that Christians, even fundamentalist, Bible-thumping ones, come up with their own copouts for why certain passages are unassailable and others are conveniently trumped. And the perpetrators must be punished? Transferring to another parish is not punishment, it's a cover-up.

"In the middle east the very accusation that you might be gay is grounds for stoning to death... Hello Ahmadinejad speech to Columbia university where he said they don't have gays in Iran... Yeah If I was threatened to be stoned to death I wouldn't come out either."

I'll direct your attention to what just happened in St. Louis County, Minnesota recently, and, of course, what happened in Wyoming with Matthew Shepard, and so many others. Is being dragged to death preferable to being stoned to death? Look at Santorum's statements about it; the only reason he's very slightly to the left of Ahmedinejad on this issue is because we have a free press who would lynch him with words if he tried.

"Muslims are against premarital sex period and even if a woman is raped she is the one who has brought shame on her family because she probably was asking for it."

So are fundamentalist Christians—against premarital sex, period. And until very recently, if a woman were raped, she'd be damn near unmarriageable. When I say 'recently', I mean in the lifetimes of people who are still alive today.

"Muslims want to wipe an entire race of people off the planet because of their religion."

And so it is with this anti-Muslim generalization that people in the United States hope to incite violence against Muslims. Shoot them as soon as you see the whites of their eyes, or else we'll all be wearing jellabas and burqas before the decade is out. Give me a break.

100 Afghan girls were poisoned. Is that because Islam is bad? Or because they were under the thrall of people whose personal intepretation of Islam is disgusting and corrupt? Or perhaps because the government in Afghanistan is hopelessly broken? Moderate Muslims—the vast majority—would tell you that behavior is not Islamic, just as moderate Christians—also the vast majority—would tell you it's un-Christian.

In general, though, you've completely missed the point, just like so many other people: there is no monolithic "Muslim" ethos. Muslims come in shades from nearly secular to extremely hard-line fundamentalist, from proselytes to those who keep their religion to themselves. The existence of hard-line, violent Muslims does not confer the right to treat all Muslims as hard-line and violent.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

WEAK HUMMUS...

909Jeff
909Jeff

HA! See what you did there! Instead of weak sauce you said weak hummus... I would have gone with weak tahini... Thats just me!

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