Kelly Thomas Case Will Go to Jury Trial, Judge Rules!

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The two officers charged with the death of Kelly Thomas will have to answer for their actions at trial. Orange County Superior Court Judge Walter Schwarm rendered his decision at 2:30 p.m. following a three-day preliminary hearing. Referring to the felony charges faced by both Manuel Ramos (second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter) and Jay Cicinelli, (involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force), Schwarm ruled there was enough evidence to believe "Mr. Ramos and Mr. Cicinelli are responsible for those felonies as charged."

Both men were allowed to remain free on bond and ordered to report back to Department C5 for a hearing on May 22 at 8:30 a.m. Judge Schwarm's decision involved consideration of  testimony from the pathologist who conducted Thomas's autopsy as well as statements from the officers involved. Most dramatic however, was the public viewing of videotape of the beating, which was captured by a city camera near the Fullerton Transportation Center. In it, a confused and terrified Thomas is swarmed by six officers, Tazed and pummeled. His voice is clearly heard begging for help as his life slips away.

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Wholetruth2012
Wholetruth2012

The OC DA deserves a best actor award for his dramatics and feigned emotion.  He has sunk to a new low using his power to advance his political ambitions at the expense of two officers who were dealing with a rapidly escalating situation with a person who was known (by his family) to be very violent.  His own mother had a restraining order filed against him.  It is well known that he once physically attacked his grandfather.  His father when contacted by local police would say that he (Kelly) was their problem now.

Wholetruth2012
Wholetruth2012

When Ramos says, "See these fists, They're getting ready to f--- you up," he ALSO says, "iF YOU DON'T F-ING START LISTENING.". Something that the DA likes to omit when miss quoting Ofc. Ramos.Another thing the DA and now the media so conveniently neglect to include is Thomas' response, "START PUNCHING DUDE." Does that sound like someone who is in fear for his life?Even RonThomas admits to using force with Kelly, "Ron once used his jujitsu skills to apprehend his son, wrestling Kelly into his car from a Yorba Linda park using wristlocks. "A lot of things I did with Kelly were very painful. But what are the alternatives?” -Orange Coast Magazine, March 2012

brandonf76
brandonf76

Mitigating factor right? Ramos is really a misunderstood pussycat.The cop system has "each others" back too. You sound like a cop.

Wholetruth2012
Wholetruth2012

The judge found "probable. cause" to go to trial which doesn't take much. But it doesn't matter because the court system has each others back. To be found guilty, 12 jurors will have to find them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Wholetruth2012
Wholetruth2012

Why does every media outlet post OLD pictures of Thomas? Is mug shot is what officers encountered. Post that one.

dm
dm

How is it these dirtbags are allowed to remain free on bond?  Some of the worst criminals remain free on bond?  What is wrong with this system?  Others who do far less without even video evidence remain in custody without bond?

Jack
Jack

'See these (people) officer Ramos? They're the people of the state of California. They're about to show you you're fucked up'. Good day, assbag.

Markceshelman
Markceshelman

Imagine the rev (short for reviled) al sharptongue and stupid ass  jesse jackoff had this been a black man..nothing from these race baiters. PROVING once again the racism in the "black movement".

Jeffery Charles
Jeffery Charles

You do realize that the perpetrators have already been charged. In this case, the justice system is doing it's job. No one started protesting Trayvon Martins homicide until it became pretty clear that he was not going to be charged.

Prawda
Prawda

I think that the defense team know they are in trouble. Cincinelli's attorney stated that his client stuck Kelly in the face with the taser "to untangle the taser wires" . Funny but counselor lets back up a little, your client stated and is on tape saying, he "smashed his face to hell" Counselor, you must confer with your client before making such foolish mistakes. i think we can get a fair jury on this case. Once the evidence is presented and the law is applied any "reasonable" person will come to the conclusion and find them "guilty as charged' . They killed Kelly, by their actions Ramos put into action a beating frenzy that fed the thirst of the other officers. They felt they were concealing their deed with their vehicle yet the camera. Imagine the look on their faces when they were told it was on film.   Ramos at the end holding Kelly's feet has no bearing . Ramos started the process and was just too tuckered out to complete the killing. One thing that is disturbing and really seals the deal for me is their actions AFTER the beating. The paramedics were distracted away from a dying man by ALL 6 of those officers there and ignored. That proves their guilt. That shows their intent. 

Wholetruth2012
Wholetruth2012

This is an example of how the media reports only partial truths. When Ramos says, "See these fists, They're getting ready to f--- you up," he ALSO says, "iF YOU DON'T DO WHAT I SAY." Another thing the media so conveniently neglects to include is Thomas' response, "START PUNCHING DUDE." Does that sound like someone who is in fear for his life?Even RonThomas admits to using force with Kelly, "Ron once used his jujitsu skills to apprehend his son, wrestling Kelly into his car from a Yorba Linda park using wristlocks. A lot of things I did with Kelly were very painful. But what are the alternatives?” -Orange Coast Magazine, March 2012

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

Did that wipe the smug look off their faces?

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