Michele Martinez Teams Up With Van Tran to Woo Vietnamese Voters for Her Assembly Race

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Martinez: Hair now as black as her ethics
I about spit out my Maker's this evening when word came to me that SanTana councilwoman and 69th Assembly District hopeful Michele Martinez appeared on a Vietnamese-language channel here in Little Saigon, getting softball questions tossed at her by none other than former State Assembly member Van Thai Tran. Tran, the man who has long trashed Mexicans and tried to pit Vietnamese and Mexican voters against each other in a strategy only neo-Nazis and the Republican Party could love. Tran, the sworn enemy of Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez.

Tran: a REPUBLICAN. And Michele calls herself a progressive?
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Martinez with Tran: Combined IQs don't top 100

It will be wonderful to see Martinez justify appearing on Tran's television show to a group of Democrats--this is akin to OC Dem head Frank Barbaro eating dinner with OC GOP honcho Scott Baugh...oh wait, they do. Anyhoo, nice to see Michele play footsie with Mexican haters--go explain that one to your wab supporters, chula!

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Connie
Connie

It is my belief that reaching across the aisle is a positive, healthy thing.  I am so tired of partisan positioning and bickering.  I view this as a good thing.  Go, Michelle.

Buzzkill
Buzzkill

Funny! Michele won't talk to any media who ask her tough questions, or even softball questions. But she'll take softballs from Van Tran. Transparent Panderer!

mitch young
mitch young

"Tran, the man who has long trashedMexicans and tried to pit Vietnamese and Mexicanvoters against each other in a strategy only neo-Nazisand the Republican Party could love"

Didn't Loretta Brixley say something about 'the Vietnamese are trying to take *our* seat' [and an ample seat is it, Loretta]

Uh, and capullo, the original, actual progressives emerged out of a split within the Republican party.

Deeeee
Deeeee

 stop being a hater

Uknown
Uknown

“Whenever you are confronted with an opponent. Conquer him with love.” Mahatma Gandhi

qdpsteve
qdpsteve

Was it Shakespeare who originally wrote "politics make strange bedfellows"?

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Oh. My. God.

I would not have believed this of Michele.

I'm not saying this to score a cheap political point.  I'm saying it because I would not have believed it of Michele.

This is one of those moves that people remember years and years later.  So sad.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Reaching across the aisle to engage with someone who has a track history of suppressing the vote within one's community?  Not such a good thing.  It's true that complete surrender to one's opponents is one cure for bickering, but not a good one.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

This might be the most Pollyana-esque reaction I've read in years...

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

It's Brixey, pendejo, and which publication do you think first called Loretta out on that shit. Certainly not your beloved American TP. Now, go back to defending pedophiles at St. Edward and leave rationale conversation to the adults.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Loretta was talking about specific Vietnamese politicians -- happily, the worst of the lot rather than representative of the community -- who were tossing around lies and trying to suppress the Latino vote.

Nice touch there, insulting Loretta's derriere.  You're a true prince.  Is this a pseudonym too, or do you really toss out those sorts of insults under your own name?

Yes, the "actual progressives" emerged out of the Republican Party -- left it behind -- and eventually became Democrats, just like the racists in the Democratic Party eventually left it behind and became Republicans.  Are we clear on who's who now?

Carpetbagger
Carpetbagger

Wait...Is this the same Greg Diamond, that said he knew little or nothing of Michelle?

Strange. Almost like you are a plant.

You give Jews, Lawyers and Democrats a bad name Greg Diamond.

How about those FLICKR account pictures from your boy Julio? NASTY STUFF! Clam chowder!

Art Pedroza
Art Pedroza

Loretta Sanchez was a Republican for much of her adult life until she switched parties and rediscovered her Latina surname, back when she beat Bob Dornan.  

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Greg: What Loretta said was indefensible, so don't bother with that line of reasoning.

mitch young
mitch young

"Loretta was talking about specific Vietnamese politicians -- happily, the worst of the lot rather than representative of the community "

Uh, who votes for Vietnamese politicians? Vietnamese people. 

And she said it on a Spanish language station -- show who as the target audience for this little outburst of ethno-politics?

" Is this a pseudonym too, "Nope.

" do you really toss out those sorts of insults under your own name?"

'Ample' isn't negative. Indeed isn't 'back' in style (yeah, that dates me). In fact, you folks have a word --'zaftig' -- which I take it is quite complimentary.

"Yes, the "actual progressives" emerged out of the Republican Party -- left it behind -- and eventually became Democrats, just like the racists in the Democratic Party eventually left it behind and became Republicans. "

No, not even close. The actual progressives were for immigration restriction, environmental protection, and even positive eugenics, and against the kind 'ethnic' pandering politics that the Democrats have used since the 1870s. The Dems just switched blacks for southern whites, but they still are all about ethnic group based politics -- except for whitey.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Oh, how charming, it's the anonymous coward whose IP Address I'm eventually going to getfrom Art Pedroza -- willingly.  I'm not looking for anyone else's, by the way, just yours.

I talked with Michelle a bit at Drinking Liberally in early 2007, when I attended it regularly until I got sick of catty slimeballs like, apparently, you.  I formed a favorable impression at the time about her as a reformer.  We've occasionally spoken since -- and I found later on that she had been absorbed into the Santa Ana Borg and was no longer so much of a reformer.  That was a shame.

Please tell me more about how "Jews have a bad name," thanks to me.  Many Jews are under the impression that we don't have "a bad name."

I haven't seen any of Julio's photos other than on Facebook and I have no reason to think that you're just desperately squirting ink into the water like a frightened squid.  I think that voters are going to make up their mind in AD-69 based on whether they want someone who will stand up for what's right -- and I'm willing not to hide behind a fence to say so.

So long, you example of the worst of Orange County politics!

Santaanaguy59
Santaanaguy59

On Art Pedroza's blog, he asks:

"Well, does Martinez’ appearance really mean that she agrees with Tran’s positions?  That is quite a stretch."

That dynamic has never stopped him from engaging in guilt by association in the past. Does he need to be reminded of his take on the David Benavides "Hatergate" kerfuffle? What a hypocrite!

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Art: What happened to you? Your post on my appearances on Inside OC is pathetic. I'm not the one running for political office, and I'm not the self-described "progressive" candidate. Whatever happened to your hatred of the Trannies—or, are you so up inside Michele's ass that anything she says comes out smelling like roses? If Julio Perez had done the same, you'd rightfully crucify him. Man, I remember when you were with it...

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

I'm sorry, did someone issue an edict?  As with Hilary Rosen's comment of last week, I think that it was poorly stated.  If you're going to argue that she was intentionally trying to whip Latinos up into an anti-Vietnamese frenzy -- well that would be hard to defend, but it's also a hell of an accusation to make, and not one where I think that you get to say "sorry, no counterargument will be allowed here."  (She had one, you may recall.)

By the way, I'm sort of notorious in left-wing blogging circles for giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt when they misspeak -- I remember days of vicious argument in 2008 in response to my saying that no, I didn't think that the woman on Fox News who mixed up the names of Obama and Osama and then made a lame joke about it really wanted to see Obama killed -- so I don't defend mangled spontaneous remarks only when they come from liberals, if that's what anyone might imagine.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

You didn't address my points.  I am shocked, shocked.  By the way, as your initial point was that progressives were Republicans, shouldn't the question be "do you consider Samuel Gompers a Republican?"  (Well, do you?)  Here's a quiz -- the labor movement in the U.S., with which Progressives were associated, is now generally associated with which political party?

But I'll play your game for a moment and address your kernel of truth.  Relations between the labor movement and immigrants have been strained at times and have been good at times.  To the extent that bosses get what they want and are able to employ people for less than minimum wage, and under working conditions below those that would be obtained through collective bargaining, they are strained.  To the extent that immigrants have been able to be organized by labor movements -- which we've seen a lot of in recent years in previously non-unionized occupations -- they can be strong.That you're trying to hang the policies supported by people 90-100 years ago around the necks of people today just shows how intellectually bankrupt you are.  That you use the past to avoid discussing present-day policies smacks of cowardice as well.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Tell that to your Elizabethan ancestors—and tell that to the Extremadurans, among others.

mitch young
mitch young

Would you consider Samuel Gompers a 'progressive'?

Here he is calling for immigration restriction based on economic needs of working people.

http://www.vdare.com/wp-conten...

There's plenty more in the progressive camp who wanted immigration stopped. How about California's own Hiram Johnson, who was instrumental in getting the best legislation ever passed -- the 1924 immigration cut off.http://www.encyclopedia.com/do...As for eugenics and progressives, just do a web search, which will turn up plenty -- and not just from right wing and libertarian sources.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Yeah, the only saving grace about Mitchie is that he's not a sock puppet—his pedophile-rationalizing, every-ethnic-group-except-whites-and-Spaniards hate is all his!

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

"Uh, who votes for Vietnamese politicians? Vietnamese people."And there was no general criticism intended towards Vietnamese people, to whom Loretta has been a famously generous friend in Congress.  The criticism was, as she said, to the lying and Latino-vote-supressing Van Tran claque -- which now apparently includes Michele Martinez.

Raising the topic of a woman's hindquarters in the midst of a public attack is inappropriate even if you meant to sing her praises for it (a step you omitted.)  It's belittling her (at least the rest of her.)  You aren't fooling anyone with a brain.

As your "whitey" comment suggests that you want to be placed beneath contempt, rather than continuing the discussion I'll just direct you to the Wikipedia page of Battling Bob La Follette, usually considered to be the quintessential Progressive.  Knock yourself out looking for discussion of immigration or of eugenics.  (Note to all: beware of late edits to the Wikipedia page; there's nothing there as of 1:25 p.m.)  Be careful, though -- if you search on "eugen" you will get a hit: for "Eugene Debs," whose prosecution he opposed.  So very conservative, eh?

mitch young
mitch young

"**show who** as the target audience for this little outburst of ethno-politics?"

*so who was** the target ...

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