Orange's Undocumented (Illegal!) Immigrants (Aliens!) Stay a Step Ahead to Steal Work From Americans

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​Based on his youthful looks alone, Luis Martinez Hernandez stood out Wednesday morning among a dozen or so day laborers that stood along Taft Avenue just west of Tustin Street in Orange

The 23-year-old Mexican shot a quick smile. 

"I just looking for work," he said.

He stood next to Hernando Cortez, who said he is "40 maybe", and is looking for anything -- painting, construction work, whatever -- to earn some money.




And so continues the saga of Orange's day laborers.

Here's hoping they're not among those who taking tinkles on the street or else throwing their trash over the wall and into the yards of some pretty pissed off homeowners.

Orange City Attorney David DeBerry said the city has received numerous complaints from residents who say the day laborers toss trash on the street and sexually harass women walking by them.

"We're getting a lot of complaints from the neighborhood," DeBerry said.

Apparently, the day laborers have drifted from nearby Home Depot, where they said they get harassed by the police.

DeBerry said the city has a broad solicitation ordinance that applies to more than just day laborers, and "we probably have more citations for violations of that ordinance than any orther ordinance on the books."

But along Taft Avenue, the day laborers aren't breaking city laws because they are allowed to solicit work on streets with parking.

"When a vehicle can safely stop and pull up to a curb without being in a free traffic lane, then that's permitted," DeBerry said. "If a vehicle can legally park on the street, then the solicitation is permitted."

The ordinance prohibits solicitation on private property, but even then, property owners must notify the city that they don't want people asking for work on their turf. 

DeBerry said some have posted signs saying they don't want solicitors on their property, and in many cases the signs have been vandalized by the day laborers.

The current ordinance has been in effect since 2007, when between 100 and 200 day laborers would congregate near Chapman Avenue and Hewes Street.

The first offense carries a fine of $250; the second is $500, with the third offense costing $1,000. DeBerry said court fees are added on top of the fines.

DeBerry said the city has a day laborer center near Chapman Avenue and McPherson Road, but it isn't used much because day laborers have to take a number, and the younger ones have an easier time finding work on the streets by being more aggressive than their older counterparts, adding that they can outrun them to potential employers.

He said the city has to be careful about violating "commercial speech" laws when it comes to day laborers, but his office is more than aware of the issues residents are raising. Again.

"Exactly how we're going to address those (issues), I'm actually looking at that right now," DeBerry said.

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Butterercup
Butterercup

"When a vehicle can safely stop and pull up to a curb without being in a free traffic lane, then that's permitted," DeBerry said. "If a vehicle can legally park on the street, then the solicitation is permitted."

While I have a lot of respect for Mr. DeBerry (one of the only other cities who have cracked down on illegal drug rehab businesses being run in residential neighborhoods) I find his choice of words interesting.

Since this is an "illegal" activity? Would this application of the law also apply to prostitution? Because the way it's described? Sounds more like prostitution (which is certainly illegal) rather than day laborers. Would the city take the same stance if "lady's of the evening" were performing the same work? No...I think not.

Voz de razon
Voz de razon

Even the jornaleros will tell you that too many are chasing after too few jobs. Ya basta, no hay trabajo.

angry-tax-payer
angry-tax-payer

Do day labores pay taxes ???  If not, could they  be tried for tax evasion.Could cities that let day laborers hang out and look for work be tried for conspiracy to avoid taxes???

NG Coot
NG Coot

How did you get this article past Gustavo?

Johnnik
Johnnik

Round up the illegals and deport them. Fine the slum bastards who hire them big time.

Francisco Franco
Francisco Franco

Cuando van acomprender estos paisas y nacos de que no hay trabajo? Ellos necesitan estudiar y venir educados, pinches burros. Nomas sirven para nada. Muy pronto California va parecer como Zacatecas un estado de burros.

909Jeff
909Jeff

unfortunately its not that easy... Withholding is not a legal requirement, and how are you going to prove what they earned come April 15th assuming they even file a return?  Then if you went after them for evading do you then go after the 200 people they worked for throughout the year for not issuing 1099s? Failure to report wages paid is also a crime.  

How much will the government spend to enforce this? I guarantee you that way more tax money would be wasted to arrest, prosecute, and house the convicted then you would see in revenues if collected from day laborers.  You would be spending a dollar to earn a dime.

Also look at it from this perspective... They aren't earning enough money to save a whole lot.  Anything they earn is almost immediately redeployed into the local economy when they buy their Tecate, diapers, and baby formula.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Don't you have to go grow some stones instead of speculating about me, coward?

Butterercup
Butterercup

 Uhm..."Francisco Franco" I'm sorry... since this is an ENGLISH publication? Your comment is considered invalid...sorry, try again later!.

ronk1957
ronk1957

orny glorny blorny worny morny what in the hell are you trying to say ? speak english !

ronk1957
ronk1957

The same logic  can be applied to all crimes. Should the police decline to pursue a robber that only got away with $200 dollars from a convenience store robbery ? At what point in dollar value should you start enforcing the law ? 

mitch young
mitch young

"How much will the government spend to enforce this? I guarantee you that way more tax money would be wasted to arrest, prosecute, and house the convicted then you would see in revenues if collected from day laborers.  You would be spending a dollar to earn a dime."

True, but if they were then deported -- and kept out -- we'd save a fortune in the costs their American born (and not American born) kids impose on the system. It's a classic situation from Econ 101 -- sure, there's a little private benefit to be able to go down to Home Depot and get a guy to dig up your flowerbed for $40. But that attracts dudes that make $5.00 / hour into the country, they have (or bring) kids here, thus costing the taxpayer 13 years of education at $10,000 per year. And its not like that's an 'investment' -- fact is most folks, let alone the children of working class Latinos -- barely pay enough in taxes to cover the costs of maintaining a citizens in something like First-World style (ie. enjoying a semi-functioning 'justice' system, decent roads, public parks, schools, fire protection, etc)

909Jeff
909Jeff

Robbery is usually involves a weapon and is often a violent crime... So logically speaking they arent even close.  I get what your saying but umpteen million illegals arent going to self deport nor are we going to send ICE out in force to conduct mass deportations.. 

And if you think there is a Dick Tracy detective on every petty theft that occurs then you have a false sense of what our police do.  Police come out to crime scenes all the time take a report and thats about the end of it because if they aint got shit to go on then its on to the next crime. 

909Jeff
909Jeff

This is one of those things you and I will never quite fully agree on.

The problem is your solution of mass deportation while effective is highly unlikely and unrealistic... Especially here is so-cal. 

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Why do you got to talk about yourself like that, anonymous coward?

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