Atheists Unveil Valentine's Day-Tinged Billboard

Miasbuttonfactory

909Jeff and Sgtortiz641, you guys are hilarious. I really hope you meet up in person. I sense the beginning of a beautiful friendship. lol

Sgtortiz641

Hee Hee !

Donkey Hotay

Religion = Superstitious Nonsense for Ignorant Imbeciles

Period.

FishWithoutBicycle

I'm so glad you've got it all figured out for the rest of us. So I'm a moron if I even believe in the possibility of a higher power, huh? Geez, and folks like you are so critical of the religious for their supposed narrow-mindedness. Pure hypocrisy, I say.

Guest

I am your higher power!

Obey my commands !!

Sgtortiz641

Did you just command me to get a beer?! Cuz I just did. Dang your good!

Donkey Hotay

"So I'm a moron if I even believe in the possibility of a higher power, huh?"

You've answered your own question.

PS: I am your higher power! ... Obey My Commands !!

Sgtortiz641

OUCH! Ahh, To be young again!

FishWithoutBicycle

I confess I'm more bark than bite most days...but I do like my spiked collar! ;-)

Sgtortiz641

AWESOME! I like that!! GRRRRRRRRRR!

FishWithoutBicycle

HA! This bitch has no master...just a "good idea". ;-)

Fchuggle

it's a cute billboard. really, they need more, keep em coming! america is beautiful cus we can worship/practice whatever we want! but, what is weird, I noticed the other day rolls royce,..don't advertise,...why is that?

they don't have too,.....

use your science on that one.

carbonware

I agree with your comments except Rolls Royce does advertise, just not in the places most consumers would ever see because that is not their demographic.

When you're reading magazines for example that feature yachts, Rolex and better watches, private jets and private islands you will also find Rolls Royce ads.

Perhaps a better phrase is not casting our pearls before swine. Some things are too important or to complex for narrow minded or wise idiots to comprehend.

Michaelwg

Rolls Royce is not treated like crap by the religious right or have a history of getting burned at the stake. No science necessary on that one. Here's a thought, do you deny the theory of gravity, atomic theory, cell theory ?

carbonware

I'm sorry to learn you were burned at the stake. Sorry you don't get to claim that one far more Christians were burned tortured, and crucified than atheists. And that was by logical political bodies who were threatened by a group who accepted a high power than the state and a greater responsibility.

There is no excuse for the terrible things stupid people do to each other, but no one group gets exclusivity nor deserves more or less sympathy than another.

Many things great and terrible have also been done to people by those profession science, they have no safe morale ground to stand on either.

If you want to condemn everyone across centuries because of the terrible actions of a few in power then you have to also condemn your own for doing the same, otherwise you have no validity nor deserve any respect for a narrow-minded position.

drhomeskooled

Funny but disappointing billboard. It would have been more effective to include the statistic that atheists do have less adultery and unprotected sex. It would have been more thought provoking and also addresses the question of atheistic ethics.Statistics offer an authoritative fact, and would create more introspection from the anti-atheists.

by the way, my christian wife cheated multiple times....I was faithful for the entire 20 year relationship, yep I was the atheist in the relationship. LOL at my mean average normality!

joshua012

Sigh. Atheists claim they aren't against religion, they just want it "removed from the public sphere."

Then they go and shoot themselves in the foot by doing something like this.

Atheists are generally less intelligent and rely on "logic" and "science" to justify their actions. In the case of Peter Tatchell, a known Secularist in the UK, he claims there is nothing wrong with having consensual sex with a 9 year old.

Atheism is a licence to justify your own behaviour so you adapt your own morals and conscience to suit your own lifestyle.

Danao Obass

No, that statement is completely wrong? As far as IQ goes atheists are generally higher. Plenty of religious and nonreligious people have sex with children.

Yes, "logic" is usually a good way to decide what to do and not do..? Are you seriously saying logic isn't a good thing? If what you're saying by that comment is that he logically justified why it's okay to with a nine year old, I'll use logic to say it's not okay because that nine year old is not old enough to understand the consequences of an STD or child. The end. Logic'd.

Darby

There is no evidence that atheists are generally less intelligent, though there are studies that seem to indicate people will lower iqs tend to be more religious. And atheism is not a license to justify immoral behavior. It is the inability to believe in fairy tales. My rights end where someone else's begins. One sick atheist trying to justify pedophilia does not mean all atheists are the same. I am a very good person. And I don't act the way I do because I fear hell or want to go to heaven. I am a good person because I believe we should help each other, be kind to others and animals, and do whatever we can to leave the world a better place.

And we don't rely on logic and science to justify our actions. We rely on them to explain the world around us because that makes a lot more sense than following a 2000 year old book written by a bunch of white men and translated hundreds of times, still by white men.

And we only shout as hard as we do so that people can accept that atheists exist, we are not immoral, and we deserve equal rights. Once christians stop trying to shove god down our throats and demonizing us we will all be happier and nice and quiet about it.

carbonware

If only more were like you. As I've seen just on this post and yo can too... Which are the people speaking with the most hate, the most aggression, and the most intolerance and name calling? It's not the religious ones, sure some of them are, but I am reading far more claiming to be on the Atheist side who claim to be interested in logic and evidence rather than emotion and belief lashing out, calling names instead of making logical comments, demeaning and mean spirited instead of providing evidentiary debate. Of coarse there are good people within every political, religious, or ideological group. There are also many mean spirited, evil, and ignorant ones in all of them too. I just don't find too many Atheist willing to admit it.

Alexander Flack

Science is a philosophy which helps us to model and understand the universe by gathering evidence, formulating hypotheses, testing claims and rejecting those which fail to withstand experimental scrutiny. When has this ever caused any sort of atrocity? How could it, any more than mathematics or engineering?

If I had to guess, I would say you are probably referring to either communism or fascism (or as some Christians do in defiance of all logic, both simultaneously). I suppose I should just head you off by pointing out that Hitler was a creationist, Stalin did what he did not out of any desire for understanding but out of a dedication to a political ideology as well as hunger for power, and that both rejected scientific findings which they considered inconvenient or distasteful (for example, they both banned evolution).

Of course there are atheists who are awful people. However, I have never seen any of them justify these actions in terms of their atheism, nor have I seen them convince others to act like them using that as an argument. However, I have observed Christians of various stripes, mostly fundamentalists, using quotations from the Bible to justify racism, sexism, homophobia, and discrimination against others based on religious views. I have observed Muslims, also fundamentalists, justifying these reprehensible views based on the Qur'an.

I think that perhaps the most common reason that atheists are accused of intolerance stems from a failure to differentiate between attack a person's beliefs and attacking the person. Many religious people, especially the more fervent of them, internalize their religious views to such an extent that they view an attack on their views precisely the same as they view an attack on their person. Calling someone's beliefs stupid or irrational is not a personal attack. A smart person can hold stupid, irrational beliefs if they hear them time and again from trusted authority figures at a young age, all the while being told that questioning these beliefs could cause them to be tortured forever. Indoctrination can be extremely strong, and there is a very good reason that the vast majority of religious believers in the world today believe the same religious dogma they were raised with.

carbonware

Sorry but you do not get to condemn the actions of a few crazy zealots or those from centuries ago either without condemning your selves. One-sided self righteous piety sinks fast. Science has killed tortured, maimed and destroyed countless thousands with cold hearted, secretive, and dishonest and immoral reasons. No one group owns exclusivity to bad behavior, no group including Atheist can claim as you just did that all it's adherents are pure of motive, or ethical either. Until you can recognize the terrible behavior of all, including your own, your comments are hollow and empty.

Call out hate, where ever it lives, call out despicable and terrible actions everywhere, or no where. When you get your own house in order I will welcome Atheists into mine, but until your all perfect you have no business dictating to others what you cannot fix within your own.

Michaelwg

Carbonware- Atheists do not fly planes into buildings. You need to understand what really "lashing" out means. We put up billboards, and get irritated by illogical people. We do not kill 70+ people in Norway and call it "Preserving European Chistendom"These acts were done, FOR religion. Yes, atheists are like everyone else, good and bad (we keep trying to tell people that), but we don't commit atrocities FOR atheism. People, all the time, do horrible things for Religion. I just read an article about a roman catholic priest who raped a child and said "This is what God's love feels like"Feel free to google.

dubliner

The internet does seem to bring out the worst in some. Without wanting to sound ageist or sexist they seem to be usually young males with a serious manners deficit. I will say though that if I were an atheist living in the US I might forget my manners too. Atheists are treated very badly there. They risk losing family, jobs, friends and are demonised to a ridiculous extent. I don't know for sure why that it. Perhaps it's a hangover from the old 'hate the commie' days or else it's because religion has such an oppressive hold on America so anyone not buying into it is seen as the enemy.

drhomeskooled

As an atheist I agree with your negative opinion about the billboard but hard statistics show a direct correlation between IQ, education and lack of "religiosity".

And whats so unintelligent about following the rules of logic? Can you point out specific fallacies of this kind of thinking? Its a very established system so you have acsess to textbooks teaching the rules of logic. What specific rule of logic do you disagree with?

Maybe atheism " justifies" bad behavior in some peoples eyes who occupy the out side of the Bell Curve, but from my own exsperience as an atheist my value system comes from the motivation to cause no suffering towards any life form. Evolution states all life-forms share a common ancestor, and it makes me feel good to help another and it makes me feel bad to hurt another and cause any suffering emotionaly or physicaly. Family and friends takes top priority,Homo Sapiens second, and all other life forms after that. That is atheistic ethics. and you should educate yourself in philosophical ethics before you demonize and dehumanize atheists into sub human monsters and child molesters, jerk.

Sgtortiz641

Math is the PERFECT language. There is no ambiguity. Human behaviour can and has been broken down and studied using algorithms and as much as we want to think we are unique, We really arent. We are "Bio processors" that are predictable and easy to manipulate. Damn! I feel cheap!!

carbonware

Your right, God clearly was smart enough to create perfect math, logic, and science, we just don't understand it all yet. There are far more Gob believing and or religious scientists than are not. The more advanced they are, according to several studies, the more they see intelligence in all things in the universe, an intelligence that is anything but random or accidental.

As for the atheists I know, they are far more faith driven and obsessed with their religions and blind faith in logic (often not even logical but thats another discussion) and the worship at the alter of self indulgence and self gratification that I find them far more sub-servant to their false gods than the many traditional religious people I know are.

It is atheists that are the most angry and can't seem to stop focusing on the beliefs of others, than the mostly live and let live attitudes of most religious Americans. Intolerance goes both ways, we tolerate you, its time Atheist stat minding their own business and leave everyone else alone, or are you really that weak in your faith that you have to constantly lash out at anything that challenges your beliefs and faith?

carbonware

Thanks for proving my points, Where have I denied any of those things? Show me? You put words into my mouth and then try and condemn me with your own arguments, arguing against not what I said but against your own words. Seems It's not me who has a problem with logic.

Michaelwg

If you could reason with a religious person, there wouldn't be religious people. You are so far gone it's sad. You've filled in your lack of understanding with "god" on every issue. You credit god with creating perfect math, logic, and science (even though the church tried to wipe out anyone studying such things) But when Physicists come up with the Big Bang, of course that one you'll ignore. When Darwin comes up with evolution, and scientists amass overwhelming evidence to prove it. That one you ignore as well. If god created perfect logic, perhaps you should try to use it once in a while?

Chad Walker

Please source your claim about these so called studies.

SueStorm4565

That's so far from the truth it's laughable. 90+% of the scientists in the National Academy of Sciences are atheists...and have decided to let science and evidentiary theory drive their perception of the world. The other 1-10%? Probably used to a lifestyle due to how they were raised, family etc.You don't have any understanding of what it is to be an atheist. There is nothing "faith driven" in what I do, nor is there any "religion" I believe in. That is what being an atheist means. I know this is really hard for you to understand, because you live a faith-based life, you can't understand how someone else doesn't. Here is a fundamental difference between you and me. I look at all the evidence about a situation and make a rational decision based on that. You believe there is an imaginary man in the sky. Believe all you want, I don't care. But don't bring that nonsense into my life or public policy that affects me. If you have real scientific evidence that a god exists, show it to us, and you could change any atheist's mind. That is another difference between us. I don't presume to know everything, and scientific evidence could change my mind. I could NEVER change your mind, no matter what evidence I show you. And by the way, you don't tolerate us. You religious people been burning our kind at the stake for hundreds of years. Even today, your religious leaders would have us thrown out of this country at the first opportunity, if they could.

FishWithoutBicycle

"Atheism is a licence to justify your own behaviour so you adapt your own morals and conscience to suit your own lifestyle."

And some of the religious don't behave this way? Some of them pick and choose passages from the Bible or other religious document to suit THEIR agenda and/or justify THEIR behavior...so what's the difference?

debaser

I think Johsua012 was making the point that atheists' morality is not informed by a particular religion and as such, is untethered to society's notions of right and wrong. Simply saying "they do it too" doesn't invalidate his point.

Alexander Flack

You call that taking a shot at Christians? Christian billboards have accused atheists of being traitors, murderers, and have told us that we are going to be brutally tortured for all eternity. Given this, you're calling the joking suggestion that atheists are better in bed an attack on Christians that makes us no better than them? I call bullshit. Look at the Good Christian™ billboards in this article:http://www.examiner.com/atheis...

909Jeff

SO....

The billboard is simply there to spread the word to all non-believers who BELIEVE there is no heaven or hell, to take solace... there are others like you?

But a Christian billboard is just a snake oil salesman making his pitch?

So tell me this... Why have all of the atheist billboards, which you say are geared toward letting other atheists know they aren't alone, taken shots at Christians?

What If I put up a billboard that said "Christians... Come check us out, we don't blow up buses in Israel!"

And then I say noooooo... I wasn't saying anything about Islam I'm just telling other Christians that we don't play with explosives. Would you believe me? I wouldn't expect you to!

The bottom line is this, This particular group of atheist is having fun taunting Christians and frankly they should just own it. The only reason I stick up for the Christians on everyone one of these atheist stories is because people come on here and try to claim some enlightened bullshit... Its actually insulting my intelligence. I know your trying to insult Christians with your billboard... Just be truthful.

Look at your own post

Skyman? Your just begging for an argument...

Michaelwg

To let other Atheists know that they have groups an orginizations to turn to. We are a dispersed minority with no voice, we have no churches or synagogues. Everyone in America, is well aware they can become part of a church congregation at will, so when the religious put up billboards, it can only be a sales tactic, no one will think "OMG I could be a Christian if I so chose?" So this is geared towards the people who want the support of other Atheists, it's quite lonely when everyone around you can be vocal about their Skyman without reproach, but an Atheist opens his mouth and people say "why are you evil?" It isn't the same at all. And to respond to Joshua012, and his comment on intelligence, statistics show the exact opposite of what he claimed.

909Jeff

Your're right, in as much as just saying they "do it too" doesnt invalidate their point. But pointing out that Athiests have reached a level of Proselytizing that rivals that of the religious, does! Which I think is the point that Fish is making. And, its a valid point... If it's not then whats the point of the billboards?

FishWithoutBicycle

That's fine, but just because someone is "untethered" by religious views doesn't make them less capable of having good moral compass. Joshua012 is the one who said "'Atheists are generally less intelligent"...and that strongly implies to me that he thinks the religious have their shit together and atheist are just wandering stupidly through life because they don't have an "instruction manual". I think it's pretty clear he looks down on the non-religious...and I strongly object to that.

Christopher Neal

Bruce Gleason obviously never fucked the preacher's daughter to come to such conclusion.

You have to hit them all or you might miss a good one...

Sgtortiz641

So when I was dancing around naked with my cats jamming out to the Spice girls wearing a pizza on my head nobody was watching? Whew! Knowing that now I can REALLY get crazy!!

FishWithoutBicycle

Why didn't you call me? ;-)

Bill T.

Um, I have an impression that they may not be your cup of tea?

Bill T.

Now see what you did, everyone in the cubes around me were having a nice snooze and now I've woken them up!

FishWithoutBicycle

My motto generally is "the weirder, the better". ;-)

Sgtortiz641

WOOHOO!

909Jeff

I saw you... Taped it.... and its on the internet!

Sgtortiz641

Dang! I can never catch a break! Now I need a beer!

Pianousa

Lol! Enjoying your discourse you two.

909Jeff

Nope,

NAS Millington (Memphis)NAS JAX (Jacsonville FL)MCAS Tustin MCAS El Toro

Dont hate Coker... maybe we buy you a beer too!

Matthew T. Coker

Fer chrissakes, get a room already, you two.

Sgtortiz641

Were you ever at Norfolk?

Sgtortiz641

Let an ole Paratrooper by you a pitcher and then we can raise hell at the Goat Hill and piss off all the little weazels that talk so tough yet never had to scramble to their "Firing stakes" at 0100.

Sgtortiz641

Oorah! Your money is no good here!

909Jeff

No way dude... The Pitcher would be on me! I was in the Marines from 92-98 and my standing rule is whenever I travel and I come across service men/women in the airport bars I pay for the drinks... I was there once and life has been good enough since then that I am able to do it! Its got me in trouble a few times like the $400 tab at O'hare because my flight was delayed but other than that I have found that when I start it other people in the bar will follow.