Long Beach Bans "Rogue" Marijuana Dispensaries

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Curt Merlo
The Long Beach City Council voted last night to ban medical marijuana dispensaries from operating in the city, but allowed clubs that won the city's controversial marijuana lottery to remain open for four months. The clubs that were exempted from the ban belong to the Long Beach Collective Assocation, (LBCA) and include 18 dispensaries that have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on city permitting fees. As of now, all other clubs operating within city limits that failed to win the lottery or which never participated (and which haven't already been shut down) now face the immediate possibility of being raided by city police and code enforcement officers.

In recent weeks, LBCA has mounted a public relations campaign to pressure the city not to abandon its medical marijuana ordinance, major portions of which have been ruled illegal in a case involving patients whose clubs were shut down by the city that is now before the California Supreme Court.

Although the ostensible reason for allowing the exempted clubs to continue operating for four months is to allow for the Supreme Court to issue its ruling, such clarity isn't likely to arrive in less than a year, although the city will always have the option of extending its exemption. Until now, the city has only occasionally raided various clubs that lost the lottery or which refused for financial or ideological reasons to pay the hefty $15,000 application fee, and no raids have been carried out since the city's ordinance was ruled illegal late last year. But now that the city has a ban on the books, the raids are likely to pick up speed.

Stay tuned for more details as they come!

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Charlamonstrecclb
Charlamonstrecclb

man ryan ur such a bitch made nigga you and erik go fuck urselfs and die

Albert
Albert

You're Ryan Pack and Leo is Pappas?  Well doesn't this beat all.  Ryan Pack is a dispensary owner in Long Beach?  You wonder why there have been so many federal shut downs? 

<snip> Long Beach dispensary operator Ryan Pack, represented by attorney Matt Pappas, sued Long Beach over its permit program in September of 2010. Pappas argued that the federal Drug War preempts localities from picking winners for pot permits. Astonishingly, the appellate court upheld the interpretation in October, prompting Long Beach's appeal to the state Supreme Court. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/... </snip>

Jer
Jer

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smith support

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leo
leo

not one single collective in long beach, not the 18, nor the 35, nor any ever received any license our permit....

... the council was given a prejudicial motion written by the city attorney and secretly slipped to Garcia to propose the motion as a favor to Shannon....to allow an exemption for the 18 collectives that were selected in the lottery that was ruled illegal by the high court. The criteria that the city is using to determine who is good and bad is based on the very law that was stricken.

The motion was given to Councilman Garcia being closed doors as a desperate measure by the city attorney to fool the council into voting for a ban. And a ban is what was passed.

The so called bad collectives are not bad, many off them simply had their applications thrown in the waste basket before being considered by evil Erik Sund.

Those poor collectives are being hammered and called bandits and rogues...when in reality none of them have had any crime or incidents...zero. Additionally their donations are more compassionate lower and the med quality higher and the facilties are so nicely done you would think you are at the Ritz.

The bad news is that the very exemption clause will be the basis for the new lawsuits that are being written at this very day to rip the recent council action apart.

The city attorney will chime back in a week and playing the nice guy tell everyone that he really tried tried to exempt, but in the end couldn't.

However, the ban will still stand just as he planned and nothing in heaven or earth will be able to undo under horror that city council voted on unknowingly this week.

The exempted collectives have been dancing on the graves of the poor other collectives that were excluded.

Sad. Soon they will understand it is about patients.

Ryan
Ryan

As of this day, today, i can't find one person who is happy about the Pack case brought by Pappas. Can you?  There are "none".  Get it?

Take care,Ryan

leo
leo

There are plenty....most every single collective in Los Angeles and Riverside are still open you dipsh.t because they had equally totalitarian restrictive ordinances as well.

Pappas is a hero you fool....he is YOUR hero....eminently it is he and Chuck Farano that will beat the cities into submission and fight for patients State rights under 215 and sb420.

You dont want to understand that a lowly city council cannot use language that criminalizes us patients and discriminate between collectives saying who is better than whom.

We all have been decriminalized under State Law.

All of us. Pappas is fighting to clarify that.

All collectives that are open still today owe those lawyers.

Ryan
Ryan

The exempt collectives are not dancing on the graves of the other collectives.  Not sure where you get this from, other than to mislead people.  You're starting to sound like one of the rogue attorneys affiliated in the Pack case that created the ban.  If you need to blame someone, perhaps you should look at the actions of the rogue legal group that resulted in the ban.  There was no "ban" before the Pack case.  Get it? 

You can blame Erik, the council, and the exempt collectives, but the reality is that the Pack case created the ban. 

The banned collectives were misled along time ago into suing the city over the permitting process, instead of simply entering into it. By a rogue attorney....  and i think we all know who that is.       

  

leo
leo

You stupid ass kissing idiot Ryan...you who pick up the phone and called Erik Sund crying because you cannot offer your patients a better experience than the non-lottery collectives who try so hard.

Did you see what Gerrie told you in the facebook comments....you have six months.....

....but guess what stupid assh..le... that poor attorney (Pappas) who worked PRO-Bono Free for those sick dying patients Anthony Gayle and Ryan Pack ---- will not let a ban stand and his fight is inadvertently helping you and all patients keep free access wherever they choose to access....not pre-selected random locations.

Northernboy
Northernboy

No dispensary owners are financially doing well these day? Brother, be real to yourself. Once we get that greed out our system, then we can really help fight the cause for the "real patients". People actually are suffering out here guys, greed is the primary motivation that is found in everybody in this business. Find yourselves, block out that greed and we can really help out patients and our community.

leo
leo

Simple short reply....

...ryan if Pack is affirmed by the supreme court then that will stop local cities from telling collectives and patients what to do. That is the truth.

Patients are granted their rights by the state....the city has no business trying to restrict it.

Collectives should be treated like a starbucks.

No differently.

Ryan
Ryan

I'm not trying to pick on you here Leo.  Just getting the truth out.  Pappas probably didn't want the bans his case has created, although i'm not sure he ever "cared" one way or another to begin with.

Hell, if we're all banned in the end, i'll just go back to my previous profession and start making money again. I think your average Macdonalds employee makes more than dispensary owners at this point.  People called it the modern day gold rush? Hardly. More like being on the Titanic. 

Best of luck to you either way,Ryan 

Ryan
Ryan

Well, if that happens, i'm fairly certain that the council will allow us the chance to relocate. Quite frankly, i'll relocate right when it happens as being within in 1000 feet of schools is against state law. It's just the way this business is. Bad luck always seems to strike Cornerstone, so i wouldn't doubt anything at this point. 

Additionally Leo, did you know that if the Pack case is reaffirmed by the California Supreme Court, as you seem to want, that ALL storefront dispensaries will be outlawed statewide? All dispensaries will be gone - forever.  Pappas will have single handedly destroyed this industry statewide.  Collectives and patients will suffer from it. 

RIght after the Pack ruling came down, all cities began banning. Pappas is already responsible for the closure of hundreds of dispensaries since last October.  And if the Cal Supreme Court (your high court action) reaffirms the ruling, then ALL dispensaries will be banned statewide. All will be gone.  Congrats Leo.   And i'm afraid that it won't end with the closure of all dispensaries in the state. It will effect all states across the country.  Not sure how that will help all the patients that you say you care so much about.  Bottom line is that your group doesn't give a damn about anything other than your own future in the business. It's called greed my friend.  

This is all just the truth and reality of the situation and it's time people know the truth. 

Good luck Leo.  Not sure why you want the Pack ruling reaffirmed when the whole state will be wiped out.  Although,  it could go back to the original reason why the case was filed to begin with.  If the Pappas group can't get into the industry, then might as well destroy it for everybody else.  Leo Leo Leo.....  you' guys have created a mess for the collectives statewide. 

leo
leo

Sensible words, and i will agree tgat one of the largest myths perpetuated is tgat collectives make all kinds of money.....they dont. True.

Matt Pappas is tge son and he has never had any collective or owned one. What he has are a lot of clients that manage collectives....and he wholeheartedly believes that nine uninformed people shouldnt have absolute power. And they dont....hence the high court action.

Thank God for the higher courts and their wisdom.

Additionally Ryan... i have some news for you.... the EPHS has secured a new student location for its operations on Wardlow....approximately 900 feet from your estabkishment

Ryan
Ryan

I believe his son owns the dispensaries in Long Beach, is what i'm refering to.  From what i understand the father/son team had a falling out over this business.  It's a rough industry and greed can be a powerful force. Trust me. I've seen it first hand and people get dilusional over it when they really have no idea.  No dispensary owners are doing well financially these days. 

Hopefully they've worked it out by now, which i'm sure they have.

The son should beg the council to be added to the exempt list.  Not everything has to be settled with legal action. 

Good luck.      

 '

leo
leo

Pappas doesnt own any collectives you idiot....none....zero.

You talk out of your ass without researching the lies and rhetoric that you and council perpetuate...

Matthew Pappas was practicing in Nevada not long ago before he took on the causes of Ryan Pack and Tony Gayle.... patients.

His estranged father is a partner in one tiny collective.

There is no affiliation.

Matt struggles to provide services pro-bono to patients.

Its simple.... dumbasses.... look on Google....all you find is exemplary service and career.... not one blemish.

Stop defaming before you know what youre talking about.

He will ultimately save your rights to transfer medicine between patients.

Ryan
Ryan

Leo is Pappas?  Get some courage my friend. That's why you can't make in this business. You  never had what it takes to be in it to begin with.  Although i sympathize for the other dispensary owners, your (affiliated) closure is one that comes with a lot less sympathy.  It's called karma, and your business practices with dispnsaries within 1000 feet of schools or parks are over. In my view, you gave this industry a bad name.  Good job.

Ryan
Ryan

You say Pappas did it for the patients? Good grief.  He owns more than one dispensary and he did it for himself to stay in business when he was not deemed to be operating legally after the ordinance went into effect  Good grief. He did it to save himself. Unfortunately he always uses the patients and compassion for an excuse.  From what i understand, Pappas owns several dispensary locations in Long Beach, most of which are not considered legal. That's why he filed suit, GREED. Using disabled patients to accomplish that is despicable at best. His court case resulted in statewide bans, and that's the reality of it. With the bans that resulted from his case, how exactly has that helped these patients that he cares so much about. That case hurt patients and collectives statewide, all so he could stay in business.  Nothing but a rogue attorney. 

Bob
Bob

City of Long Beach, you are still federally responsible for permitting those 18 dispensaries. Your hands are deep in their pockets. This all started with you and that wild ass lottery system. Feds do not care when they come. You saw that Mendicino County just gave up their permitting process. I guess you guys are waiting for that same Federal memo that arrived to the Mendocino City Council.

Duncan20903
Duncan20903

Pack was depublished. That means it no longer exists and that the California Supreme Court doesn't expect it to be after rendering their decision. Both City of Garden Grove v Felix Kha (2007) and County of San Diego et al v San Diego NORML produced rulings diametrically opposed the the nonsense in Pack. Both the California Supreme Court and the SCOTUS weren't interested in hearing the appeals in the former two cases.

The California State Constitution specifically prohibits authorities from choosing to enforce Federal law over State law:----------CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTIONARTICLE 3 STATE OF CALIFORNIA

SEC. 3.5. An administrative agency, including an administrativeagency created by the Constitution or an initiative statute, has nopower: (a) To declare a statute unenforceable, or refuse to enforce astatute, on the basis of it being unconstitutional unless anappellate court has made a determination that such statute isunconstitutional; (b) To declare a statute unconstitutional; (c) To declare a statute unenforceable, or to refuse to enforce astatute on the basis that federal law or federal regulations prohibitthe enforcement of such statute unless an appellate court has made adetermination that the enforcement of such statute is prohibited byfederal law or federal regulations.----------Where the heck is “the LAW is the LAW, blah, blah, blah” crowd whenauthorities decide to break the law and violate their Oath? Up in thepeanut gallery cheering that lawbreaking like the hypocriticalpartisan hacks that they are is where.

leo
leo

Pack vs. Long Beach is still relevant as it is before the highest court in the land....the Supreme Court.

This was the desire of both the plaintiffs and the defendants (city)...

...now.... the city voted tuesday to REPEAL their previous ordinance 5.87......

........SO LISTEN hard so called 18 exempt collectives.... YOU were disqualified for exemption upon the repeal of the very ordinance that had distiguished you from the poor other patient collectives.

Ryan from CORNERSTONE is dancing on the graves of the other collectives because his lousy dirty disgusting location cant compete in a fair market place. Never could and never will...

....go ahead Ryan pick up the phone as you always did to call Erik Sund and complain about the other guys.

leo
leo

friends of mine that work at city hall tell me that he stinks and wears the same cheap two suits every other day with the same white socks.

leo
leo

I for one know Ryan of CORNERSTONE was on the phone with Erik Sund....

.....i know this because big fat ugly rosacea skinned high blood pressure Erik Sund told me so himself on one of his famous screaming phone calls yelking like a female dog in heat.

leo
leo

Ryan...the complete literature of the entire Pack case is online. Read it.

The case was brought forth by Attorney Matt Pappas to protect patients (not collectives) this is about patients....

...in this case lets humanize this....two sick dying patients who require medical marijuana for their care...their names are Ryan Pack and Tony Gayle....they required acccess to medicine where they as citizens and disabled people deemed fit for them...NOT fit for some ordinance and random lottery charging $15000 a ticket. Now.... the case simply sought to dismantle the tyranny and constrained predjudicial arbitrary restrictions of 5.87 ordinance.

The high court agreed with the patients and called the city "criminals" (i was present at the appeals court that day, were you?)....

The Pack Case has nothing to do with bans. Bans is what the city chose to do as vindictiveness. Do you realize Ryan that your atients and colleagues were submitted to warrantless unconstitutional raids violently carried out by our police without DUE PROCESS??

Can you condone this? It can happen to you in six months.

But probably wont because Pappas and Chuck Farano are fighting as I write this to you. They are fighting for all of our patient rights.

Do you believe you are free yet should live under the absolute ruling of nine people to end your mission to help patients in six months, or should you be free to exist forever? This is what tge Pack Attorneys believe, and they receive little to no compensation.

Ryan
Ryan

Well Leo, we might not have the best location in the world, and we may not be exactly booming for business, but I like our old fire station building.   Except perhaps when it rains and the roof repels water like a strainer, but what can we do.  Unfortunately we don’t have nice wood floors and flat screen monitors for menus, but I’ll take the old firehouse any day of the week. .   I personally sympathize for the collectives that have to go through the ban. Unfortunately some of them are led by a group of “rogue” attorneys and they have been a little misled.   .   Remember, it was the Pack ruling that created city bans throughout the state.   Now, what group in their right minds would try to get an ordinance thrown out to regulate medical marijuana?   What would be their motivation?   Rogue attorneys....  We wish the best for these collectives that have to deal with the ban.  It’s not a pleasant time, but this industry changes like the wind and anything is possible.   Don’t give up hope too early.   Best of luck to all,R 

leo
leo

Thank you.

Northernboy
Northernboy

Dude, I remember when I was a volunteer at one of these permitted collectives and that 1st ban that was in effect. My boss was in Eric Sund's office crying about how come the city is not enforcing this ban on all the other collectives that was around his area. I thought to my self, GREED. It disgusted me so much that I moved back up North to go to school and be my family. I am by far not a gangster type, but my mother never taught me to snitch on others like that.

Bob
Bob

I might sound allitle bit slow here, but if the Ryan Pack decision is depublished, then why are all these cities fussing and fighting over handing out permits to collectives? Some counties and cities used that decision to outright banned collectives. And as far as the Feds are concerned, they seemed to be doing a damm aggressive job in stomping out California's medical marijuana program.

Ohmygod
Ohmygod

You thought all the lawyers had a field day with the Ryan Pack decision, now wait and see what kinda lawsuits to the City of Long Beach are going to get. Talking about costing the average Joe taxpayer some money here.

Ohmygod
Ohmygod

Yeah, that's really unfair. Either banned them all or let them go their way. I don't really like the Ryan Pack decision, but wrong is wrong. You are still permitting those 18 clubs, but you won't let anyone else get permitted. Can you smell the stench of corruption?

Clifford Schaffer
Clifford Schaffer

"Until now, the city has only occasionally raided various clubs that lost the lottery or which refused for financial or ideological reasons to pay the hefty $15,000 application fee, "

Wrong! They have raided clubs that paid the fees and won the lottery. That was why the Pack decision went through. The operators of a lottery-winning club filed that lawsuit. The only reason the case went to a decision is because Long Beach refused to live up to its own ordinance.

Please stop this delusional routine that Long Beach was complying with their own rules. They weren't.

Clifford Schaffer
Clifford Schaffer

Your commenting system doesn't work and your email to the author doesn't work, either.

Nschou
Nschou

Nschou@ocweekly.com. That's my email address. I never said the city was complying with its own rules, but rather that it was making them up as it went along! Read my original story on the lottery (assuming the link in this post works)!

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