Did Animal Activists Kill I Heart Puppies?

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I Heart Puppies, which has been under fire from animal activists since it opened eight months ago, apparently closed over the weekend, according to a sign in the Corona del Mar pet store's window.

"I Heart Puppies would like to thank the community of CdM for their kindness, generosity, and support," states the sign at 2801 East Coast Highway. "Sadly, we are closing our store front."

The shop drew the wrath of activists for allegedly acquiring pooches to sell through puppy mills, and the rancor grew so heated that I Heart Puppies owner Brooke Ann Bradford went to court last July to get a restraining order against Carole Davis, the West Coast director for the Companion Animal Protection Society.

Just as Bradford and others associated with I Heart Puppies have claimed in the past, the sign in the window denies the puppy-mill allegations--only this time the vow to soldier on despite the criticism is confined solely to online sales.

"I Heart Puppies will continue to provide the same quality puppies for sale on our website, where we will be able to offer a larger variety of breeds," the sign states. "We take pride in offering puppies from our reputable breeders; we personally visit our breeders and their kennels and continue to monitor them to maintain the highest level off quality. We look forward to providing you with professional, quality one one one service in selecting your future puppy."

Davis reportedly told Corona del Mar Today in an email the I Heart Puppies closure was not the "victory we hoped for."

"We wanted IHP to thrive as a 'rescue only' store like so many other pet shops we have converted to the humane business model," Davis writes. "We investigated and exposed evidence of the horrific puppy mills they were buying from and then we staged the largest animal rights protests in NB history. No store selling factory-bred pets has ever been able to withstand our formula of investigations and protracted protests by local activists. . . . They could have made money AND saved lives of OC homeless pets desperately in need of homes."

She now plans to seek a Newport Beach City Council ban on the sale of animals acquired through puppy mills, to mirror an ordinance adjoining Irvine enacted last year.

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Deesantucci
Deesantucci

USDA breeders ARE puppy mills! And only USDA breeders sell to pet stores. 342314819129629&type=1&theater

Deesantucci
Deesantucci

Reposting the USDA link. This is the USDA saying what a rotten job is being done to maintain humane treatment in the mills that supply pet stores. Please scroll down to view the horrendous condition of these animals. These are actual pictures taken by the USDA of animals they saw at approved mills. There is a page number at the top and page numbers on the bottom of each page. Please review pages: 16/12, 22/18, 56/52, 57/53 for some examples of why this practice needs to be stopped. The only way we can effect change right now is to protest pet stores and try to educate the public who is also a victim here. A victim of consumer fraud. And that's illegal.

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdoc...

Deesantucci
Deesantucci

The truth will continue to come out. Responsible breeders do NOT sell to pet stores. ANY pet stores. Pet stores can only get their puppies from Puppy Mills where the dogs are classified as "livestock" and kept outside or hidden in barns (the Amish) in small wire floor cages their entire lives. Bred til dead. The pet stores pay around $100 for one of these interbred pups, and then sell them for over $1000 lying to their customers about the quality of the dogs and the breeders. It's true that the USDA is overseeing this process. They are the ones that have classified these dogs as livestock. The inadequate laws to protect them are not enforced. I have posted the link from the USDA to prove this. In their own report, they say that violations are not corrected and are horrendous. Please scroll down to see the condition of the animals in inspected, approved mills. Covered in feeding ticks, injuries left untreated so severe they  were immediately euthanized. Unbelievable cruelty. When you buy a pet from a pet store, this is what you are supporting. There is no such thing as a "good" pet store. There is no such thing as a "good" puppy mill. The best pet store gets their animals from a puppy mill. The best puppy mill is a concentration camp for dogs. Thats the truth. 

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdoc... truth will come out and these greedy, unethical, people will be punished. http://themoreheadnews.com/loc...

Bella
Bella

They are fools. They just showed us that we CAPS were right about them. Really? They are selling dogs onine, from dumb to dumber.

Deesantucci
Deesantucci

Only Puppy Mills sell to pet stores or online people! Even FORBES knows better! (see link below) The AKC will give papers to any purebred even if that dog is sickly or has genetic diseases. There is a disclaimer on their website. But even they don't make referrals to Pet Stores! If you want a pet from a breeder go through the local Kennel Club which you can find through the AKC website,  And when you check out their websites, they have an ETHICS statement that will say members are not to sell to pet stores or online. That's right ETHICS! Remember those????

http://www.forbes.com/sites/al... far as you "freedom of choice" nuts, with choice comes responsibility. Just because animals can't speak up for themselves or VOTE, doesn't mean they don't deserve humane treatment. We aren't going away. We will continue to speak out against animal abuse and also Consumer Fraud. Many of the people in this country are struggling and they do not deserve to get ripped off by greedy unscrupulous people trying to make a quick buck off the misery of animals. They deserve better and we will continue to let them know how they can protect themselves and their pets. We euthanize 6 million pets a year in this country at taxpayers expense because of lack of homes and 30% of these are purebreds. The puppy mills churn out about 500,000 puppies each year. You do the math. We are NOT in danger of running out of dogs or cats anytime soon. We are not a bunch of extremists trying to eliminate dogs from anyone's life. Only from irresponsible people that shouldn't have them in the first place like the puppy mill owners who keep dogs that are classified as "livestock" in cages that only have to be 6" larger than they are for their whole lives. Anyone who thinks that's OK is not OK. These animals are sensitive caring creatures that can be trained to help blind people, deaf people, the disabled and even save the lives of our Troops. They deserve better! They deserve some compassion.If any one of you saw a neighbor treating a companion animals the way these puppy mill dogs are treated, you could call the authorities and expect the animals to be rescued and the perpetrator jailed or fined. But because the USDA has classified these cash crops as livestock, they are not protected under the companion animals laws and the laws that are supposed to protect them are inadequate and not enforced.  The USDA wrote a scathing report on AHPIS's inability to enforce corrections of violations at the puppy mills. Even it you don't want to read all 69 pages, you can scroll down and see how horrendous the conditions are at the mills. And these conditions go on uncorrected! Someone close to me once told me that there are worse things than death. Clearly this is true for many of these poor animals trapped in these hell holes. http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdoc... final note to those of you who are criticizing the people who volunteer their time to stand up against animals abuse, (that is what puppy mills are). Don't come on here asking for proof, blah blah blah, ripping them apart and then say you don't have time to read all the info. You don't know the facts, are too busy to find out, but criticize those of us to DO take the time to learn the truth! That is a crock! Wise up or shut up!

Zana
Zana

Sad to see still so MANY IGNORANT people arguing what is so clear in sight. IF IHP are right and telling the truth ~ would they really had closed? I doubt it ~ IF one speaks the truth/walks the talk this would not happen.

People dedicate their time to speak up for the helpless animals still suffering daily in Horror puppy mills and some of you talk about business and human business rights etc? I wish that all of you who have no clue what there talking about to watch a few hours of undercover puppy mill busts and than check in with yourselves if worrying about the HUMAN problem/making $$ on the pain and suffering of others is really the right thing to do instead of supporting those in need and being suppressed by sub humans only having their personal gain in mind - not the dogs best interest at all = as ALL the puppy mill videos show. Educate yourself before going into posting war online and with people who have been doing their homework, educated themselves, dedicated their time over and over to stand up for the helpless and also proofed through investigations that their facts are true/right!!

ALL of you who think that we do not have already enough animals in shelters dying every day and that horror puppy mills are great business should spend a few days there if the videos are not enough!

 ~ Mahatma Gandhi The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated ~

Maianna Fitzgerald
Maianna Fitzgerald

No reputable breeder would EVER sell their dogs to a pet store, EVER.

Deesantucci
Deesantucci

This is so apparent in some of the comments of this page stating how they are against puppy mills, but don't get the connection to pet stores.ASJ: Is the problem that people don’t see the connection between the pet store puppy and the horrible conditions in which it was raised?AN: I think if you ask, 90 percent of people would say they’re against puppy mills, and then you ask them where they got their pet, they say “Oh, we got him at the pet store.” We tried to make that connection between puppy mills and pet stores and how it’s part of a multi-billion dollar business in the U.S.http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjo...

Deesantucci
Deesantucci

Carole Davis, you are a hero to most of us. There are always some uneducated detractors or maybe they are friends of the pet store or puppy mills owners but that is to be expected. They are not important. What matters is that you stand up for those that have no voice and for the consumers who have been ripped off. 

Those of us who care about preventing animals cruelty and Consumer Fraud know that NO reputable breeder would NEVER sell to a pet store (ANY pet store) or online. They are not in it for the money but the improvement of the breed. They want to meet the people and ask questions before they even consider selling to them. They do genetic testing before they ever breed to prevent diseases. They keep their companion animals in the home with them not outside in cages 24/7, and would never classify them as "livestock" as ALL USDA dogs are classified and therefore not protected under the same laws. People who don't get that or don't want to get that are not worth our time. They are part of the problem and always will be.  You can't educate someone who doesn't want to know the truth or take any responsibility for their own education. What's his face would probably want proof that Hitler was really a bad boy and no matter what someone sent him, he would counter that it wasn't actual proof.

 When that pet store owner looks a customer in the eye and lies about where they got that puppy and the quality of the breeders/puppies that is Consumer Fraud and THAT is against the law. We will let the courts decide! Keep up the good work. http://abcnews.go.com/Business...

BoldChapeau
BoldChapeau

Bradford opened this place less than a year ago - at a time of both economic downturn as well as growing awareness of the horrors of the puppy mills industry and the importance of adopting homeless animals.  Rent for this dingy little hole on PCH had to be high and there's not a lot of foot traffic as there is in shopping malls.  

I believe that the people of conscience who diligently protested this operation hastened its end, but it was bound to fail regardless. And good riddance!  

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 For those just joining us - the issue at hand is and will continue to be: IHP closed it's doors because they lied to their customers about where their puppies came from.  They couldn't fight, in court, the evidence CAPS had (undercover footage of the puppy mill they get their puppies from) so they chose to close their doors. 

We have a couple of people on here wanting to deflect from this issue as you'll see them wander all over with their comments.  Their backs are against the wall and they don't have a valid argument, so they're all over the place. 

If you want to see what CAPS (Companion Animal Protection Society) is all about, visit our web site:  http://www.caps-web.org/   and read about the class action lawsuit CAPS helped file against a Chicagoland pet store that lied about where their puppies came from.  If you lie, you will be held accountable.

fearnot
fearnot

no matter how stupid/lazy some of the populace may be, under our constitution they are not supposed to be able to harm other individuals's freedoms and liberties. Supposedly (by our founder's design) the 'mobs' are not supposed to be able to infringe upon the property right's of individual's. So if one person works hard and is industrious, the mob supposedly can't take away their property in the form of higher taxes or penalizing laws that pertain only to them.People who want to take from other law abiding citizens make me crazy. Our constitutional values and free markets should protect us from the stupid mob's ranting and ravings.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Deesantucci- Thank you for the Article, I did find it informative and I dont believe in the least bit that it was "edited".  The funny thing is I am firmly on your side and Adamantly opposed to puppy mills.  My only request was that this group prove that it did the responsible thing in targeting this store and forcing them to close.  As you can see it got out of hand quickly.  to the point where I have been accused of being a "breeder".  Whatever... I'm not. Anyways thank you again you are the only person to bring additional information that wasnt an arbitrary youtube video! 

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

Watch, they'll say we edited the article.  They refuse to accept any facts we put in front of them.   They probably own puppy mills. Why else are they hiding behind fake names like little girls???

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

This is NOT about the Constitution, or freedom, or who served in the military or taxes or taking away anyone's rights - quit deflecting from the issue.  It's apparent you have your back up against the wall and can't come up with anything else.  The issue is about breaking the law, which is what IHP did.

Google "Happiness Is Pets" and "Class Action Lawsuit" - CAPS helped the plaintiffs file that lawsuit in the Chicagoland area.  If you lie to your customers you commit fraud - and that is against the law.  If you choose the behavior and you choose the consequences.  Happiness Is Pets now knows it.  This should make all pet stores a bit uneasy about selling their puppy mill puppies and lying about it.

Doggysweater
Doggysweater

The store owners were no acting within the law. They were shut down for not being compliant and they were caught in lies.

fearnot
fearnot

there was no fraud.. there isn no proof that these people got their  dogs from anywhere else other than a licensed USDA kennel. There were no laws broken.. fi there were you would be able to say what they were and prove it.. you cannot.. case closed

909Jeff
909Jeff

Our backs are not against the wall and we have never delected... you and your cronies are the ones who have done all that You are the ones who REFUSE to back up your allegations.

I have been laser focused on one thing... For you to prove your allegations. A hundred and some odd posts later your still dodging the question.  and then for some bizarre reason tried to flip it and ask me for proof.... Proof of what?  I didn't Bully a business to close their doors 

So here it is again... And I'm going to keep posting it after EVERYTHING you post until you either 1) provide adequate proof or 2) admit that your bullied a business owner until she had no choice to close! 

you have dodged and dodged and dodged... oh and called names... 

Admit it.. You have no substantial proof that IHP sold puppy mill puppies, and that you are nothing less than a radical who wants to destroy free enterprise family owned pet stores because it doesn't fit nicely into your little deffinition of rescue only.  

You, yourself said the following.."We have the evidence and have provided it to City Council and to the USDA. Even the USDA is investigating their breeders for violating Federal laws. One of their breeders shot a Golden Retriever in the head. Don't believe me? Ask the USDA"

Yet the only proof anyone provided thus far is the youtube video of a USDA licensed facility that you deem disgusting.

 Sounds to me like your problem should be with the USDA!

Let me guess... You and your merry band of hooligans don't quite have the juice to go after the government so you target innocent business owners? 

I finally figured you out... You're bullies! That is why when I dared question your legitimacy your cronies came out and tried to bully me. Fat chance sister!

If IHP used the facility in the video then what are they guilty of? If the USDA licensed the place and you yourself says the USDA is the Authority of record, where is the problem? Please explain to us how youre going to rationalize this HUGE contradiction?

fearnot
fearnot

 this is completely untrue..they were not "shut down" they closed voluntarily.. see this is how rumors and lies start.. read the facts BEFORE you commentThey absolutely were acting within the law.

Deesantucci
Deesantucci

Licensed USDA breeders ARE puppy mills. Only breeders who mass breed are required to HAVE a USDA license. The USDA classifies these dogs as 'livestock' and they are not protected under companion animal laws like dogs from private breeders. Private herders have a few pets that live in their home and have 1 or 2 litters a year. USDA breeders can have hundreds of dogs kept in cages their whole life with little or no care. They are not as healthy or socialized and the conditions at the mills are very different from a private home. I have friends that are private breeders and they would never sell their pups to a pet store. They abhor puppy mills and the treatment of the dogs there. When a pet store tells a customer that they get their pups from private breeders, they are lying because they know that most people do not want to buy puppy mill puppies. When they lue, they are committing consumer fraud and that is against the law. This is not just about the animals. It's about our fellow Americans who deserve to know the truth about where the dogs come from before they Purchase one. My neighbors bought s puppy from Petland for $1800 and spent another $700 trying to save it before it died. They couldn't afford to do that and their kids are devastated. When I checked into the breeders USDA reports I found she had hundreds of dogs and many different breeds. Amongst other violations she had been written y up for stacking dead animals and body parts on her freezer and fridge. If my neighbors had known that this puppy came from a puppy mill they would never have bought her. They were lied to like anyone else who goes into a pet store and asks where the puppies come from and are told from private breeders.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 Nice analogy - do you enjoy abusing children?  Says a LOT about your character.  No wonder you don't have a problem with animal abuse.  That's the only way you can run a puppy mill, I suppose.

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.  Enjoy life under that rock.

909Jeff
909Jeff

"I have NOT contradicted myself one time in all these posts..."Then why do you feel the need to lash out?  Feeling a little insecure? 

It sucks when your own groups quotes are quoted back to you and the house of cards starts to fall in on itself. I dint make anything up.. I have repeated back to you what you.. Jan.. and Carole have said.  I cant help it that you all undermined your own argument. 

I again reiterate my position that, while CAPS has the right intentions you target the wrong person.  You dont have the capacity to go after the federal government and you're probably terrified of the people in the Midwest who operate puppy mills so you target innocent store owners because you are bullies.  You picked on the weak...  Thats all  you did.  You want to be noble and do the right thing... Go after the source. go after the Government for allowing it. 

to also further your ignorance of jurisprudence... In order to prove Fraud or to sue for fraud you yourself or someone in your group would have needed to have been defrauded.  So which one of you bought a puppy from IHP that could stand up in court and claimed to have been a victim of fraud? 

Its rhetorical.. None of you.  

You and your group are a bunch of bullies and you should be ashamed of yourselves. 

I'm done with you... You're the one that's a fraud... and all of the evidence to prove so is right here on this message board... You failed to provide the proof that IHP did anything wrong other than "Because you said so" you have contradicted yourself over and over again.  and you cant formulate a rational argument so you have spent the better part of two days calling me names and accusing me of operating a puppy mill which is called an Ad hominem attack and Poisoning the well both well known logical fallacies. 

I guess someone along the way must of told you if no one hears your lies the first time yell louder. 

Good bye Dianne I would say debating you was fun but it was more like pistol whipping a blind kid. Write whatever you want.. I don't care anymore. 

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 "rest of them"???  What other lawsuits has CAPS filed and been thrown out???

Ready, fire....aim

fearnot
fearnot

Thoughtso?? LOL.. you are so easy to fool. Your suit will be tossed out.. just like the rest of them

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.  You need to first know what the lawsuit contains, then we can have a conversation.  Wow.

You and your buddy Jeff's argument (or lack thereof) smacks of a puppy miller's stance. 

Why are you both hiding behind fake screen names like a couple of little girls???

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 I have NOT contradicted myself one time in all these posts.  What?  When you don't see what you want - you start making stuff up?  Wow, you're a piece of work. 

The proof has been provided to you over, and over, and over, and over.  I can't force you to see something you're not willing to see.  You clearly have your own agenda, and that's fine.  But you continue to make foolish and ignorant comments showing you don't know what you're talking about.  Your lack of personal insight is astonishing.  If you don't know what that means, ask mommy.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

Thought so. 

And, I'd be delighted to have you follow the HIP class action lawsuit.  We even have a Facebook page "Happiness Is Pets Class Action Lawsuit" for your convenience.  Or feel free to check the CAPS web site from time to time.

We have an excellent team of attorneys in Chicago working on the lawsuit.  We WILL win it.  And that should make you puppy millers wet your pants.  Which, is also something I suspect is commonplace for you. 

Lousy spelling and lousy grammar are signs of an idiot.

fearnot
fearnot

jeff anyone who does not agree runs a 'puppy mill' even if you do not even own a dog.for the very reasons you list here their lawsuit will not go far.. sice there is no real definition of a :puppy mill" how can they say they dogs came from one? you could say they came from substandard breeders. but even that needs to be proven.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Youre impossible... You bullied a business to close all under the guise that hey bought their dogs from puppy mills and when asked for proof you 

1) directed me to look it up on my own 2) made up some fantasy about deflecting 3) changed your story to say they were lying

I have asked for only one thing.. Proof positive that the store you bullied actually bought its dogs from a puppy mill. 

Now you all have claimed that the USDA is the regulator of breeding operations... 

The Youtube video that you have provided as your "alleged proof" shows a breeding operation in nebraska that you claim IHP got its dogs from. Again no actual proof that they ever did... But EVEN IF they did its a USDA licensed facility.

 So you contradict your own argument. If the regulatory agency that licences and oversees breeding operations licensed and allowed this place to operate and IHP boughtt dogs from there where is the problem? Where is the lie? 

Either your telling me that the USDA (who you and Jan said was the Authority over such things) is permitting puppy mills, or you plainly bullied a business to close its doors simply out of personal spite? 

I have already said if you did what you said you did and are telling the truth I applaud you.  If you can prove to me that they were peddlers of illegal puppy farm puppies as you claimed I would apologize.  I have been relentlessly and personally attacked by you and your minions on a topic that I otherwise agree with you on. 

But all I get is the same... You're either with us or against us... and by "with us" I mean blindly believe what CAPS claims to be the true and ask no questions.

If CAPS is a truly reputable organization they should throw a muzzle on you because you are doing them a great disservice.  And I most definitely dont run a puppy mil or breed dogs.. or even work in the industry. I work in another regulated industry where I carry licenses and am overseen by a federal agency.  

fearnot
fearnot

yup that 's right you got it.. Jeff and I run "puppy mills' .. whatever they are .. my typing is pretty lousy i have to admit it.  so spelling errors are common in my posts..poor spelling is a sure sign of genius  as I said your "suit" has just been filed.. I will adopt a wait and see attitude to see if you win.. my guess is you will not. most of these frivolous suits are thrown out of court just like the Petland case.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

Aaaaaannd, here we go again  -  for what?  The 20th time?

No Constitution (has 3 t's btw) review necessary.  A business owner lied to its customers about where their puppy mill puppies came from.  That is fraud.  And fraud is against the law.  At least in this country it is.

Maybe in your world it isn't.  In the Happiness Is Pets world - it sure is!

I'm guessing you and your buddy Jeff own puppy mills.  That's why you're hiding behind fake names like little girls. 

fearnot
fearnot

 kangaroo court.. LOL pretty funny coming from a total animal abolitionist. What did they lie about?  since when is lying against the law?  if that is so then most of you would be in jailI see no final dispostion in the suit you speak of.. in fact it was just filed.. anyone can file suit but in order to make your case you have WIN. maybe the Constituion should be brought up here more often.. seems there is a total lack of understanding of the law of the land. perhaps if you spent more time in school and less on the street you might know that

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 Perhaps in your kangaroo court the case is closed.  But in the real courts, in the real world IHP wouldn't have stood a chance.  And they knew it.  They were caught lying.  And that's against the law.  Maybe they learned from the Happiness Is Pets lawsuit.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 What??? No response to my comment below???

Lack of personal integrity.  Make accusations without being able to back them up.  Another example of you talking out of other bodily locations, rather than your mouth.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 How am I changing my story?

IHP closed because they were caught lying about where their puppies came from.  Which is against the law.  CAPS has proof.  IHP knew they couldn't fight it in court.  The proof has been provided for you if you choose to peruse it.  You haven't.  And you can't prove us wrong.  Detractors, such as yourself, are deflecting and trying to get off topic because your backs are against the wall and you have no rational argument.  Same things I've been saying over, and over, and over, and over, and over for those with ADD.

What exactly have I changed?

909Jeff
909Jeff

So now you are changing your story? 

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 They lied to their customers about where their puppies came from.  CAPS has proof that would stand up in court.  IHP knew it was a lost cause to fight in court, so they closed.  Geez, how many times do we have to go over this?  Have your mommy explain it to you

fearnot
fearnot

IHP did not lie to their customers. and you know nothing about raising dogs or you would be able to answer at least some of the questions.. so you see in your mind NO ONE is fit to breed a litter of puppies.. NOT ONE PERSON.. and if they do they are tossed on the pile of crap you call your mind where you assume that you know something about of which you write..and when you cannot answer questions or allegations you revert to snobbism, and rude behavior.. didn't your mother teach you anything?.. very much like  "I don't know what art is is but I know it when see it" Thomas Kincaid would be about your speed.. No Picassos need apply

CAPS is counting on ipse dixit.. it won't work

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

All part of the "responsible" part - I'd say.

The responsible, reputable, private breeders know the correct answers to these questions.  Puppy millers do not. Nor do dirt bag pet store owners who sell puppy mill puppies. And if you don't see the need for these questions (and many more) to be asked, you probably fall into one of the 2 categories above.

But I'm not going to let you deflect from the story here - and that's IHP was caught lying to their customers about where their puppy mill puppies came from. That is FRAUD which is against the law. IHP knew they couldn't fight the evidence in court. So they choose to close. Their choice.

Capiche??

fearnot
fearnot

whateverso who are these people and what defining characteristics should they have? What makes them "responsible"?  what defines "reputable"?.. we already know what private is.. private is what I do is my business.. not yoursHow many litters can they have per year? How many dogs can they own? Can they breed cross bred animals ( mutts) or do they have to be pure breds. Must the dogs live in the home? Where shoud the whelping take place? Should dogs be allowed to choose their own mates.. or should the human "companions" do that for them? What health tess do you deem necessary for each breeding? Should every dog bred have a brucellosis test? If so how often. What is the perfect dog food for dogs? What extra precautions should be taken when feeding a nursing dam? What criteria do you deem necessary to predict and produce a perfect litter of puppies?

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 Responsible, reputable, private breeders, as I've defined previously in my comments.  READ!

And, it's Dianne Dorado Arp btw.

fearnot
fearnot

 ok let's get on topic.. who should be allowed to breed dogs""puppy mills"  no"backyard breeders" noAKC breeders.. nopoeple who just LOVE dogs? . so Diane Doraod Arp.. in your world who shoud be allowed to breed dogs

fearnot
fearnot

Carole.. that is NOT your job.. you are not a licensed inspector for the state, county or town .. you are not on the payroll of any of these places. You are making yourself out to be some sort of accredited agency which you are not.. you are a group of radical people hell bet on closing legal places of business .. period.. by the way  are you a Band of Mercy supporter?Your description of people who are not as fortunate as yourself tells much about your empathy for man and beast.. none.. power is your game.. with a bit of narcissism thrown in for good measure.

909Jeff
909Jeff

So then you admit that the federal government allows puppy mills to operate? And in fact authorizes it and licenses it?  

Yes or No? 

949girl
949girl

 Dianne,You are wasting your time!!  It goes in one ear and out the other with Jeff.  I'm sitting back eating popcorn reading this.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

Let me make this very simple for YOU.  I'll speak slowly so,  hopefully, you'll understand:

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909Jeff
909Jeff

Quote from Carole apparantly a representative of CAPS...

"Our organization sent investigators out into the field and we found animals that had frozen to death, we found animals in horrific conditions, living exposed to the elements, living their entire lives in wire cages. You weren't there. We were. We have the evidence and have provided it to City Council and to the USDA. Even the USDA is investigating their breeders for violating Federal laws. One of their breeders shot a Golden Retriever in the head. Don't believe me? Ask the USDA." 

Youtube Video of said investigation which says it is a USDA Licensed facility. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Is this true... Yes or no?

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 I said nothing of the sort.  You need to get your facts straight.  And get informed about the USDA.  Do you always shoot first, then aim?

909Jeff
909Jeff

 Lets keep it simple for you to understand... 

You and Jan said that the USDA is the ultimate authority responsible for licensing and oversight of  breeding operations. 

is this true yes or no? 

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 And.....ah-gain - they lied to their customers about where their puppy mill puppies came from.  That's fraud.  And is against the law.  You need to get informed about the USDA and their role cuz you don't know what you're talking about.  Something that comes quite naturally to you.

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

I'd love to match wits with you fearnot, but it's clear you're unarmed.  Again, you're getting off topic.  Nothing like trying to deflect, once ah-gain.  You're out gunned.  Admit it and leave with your tail between your legs.  A posture I'm sure you're familiar with.

fearnot
fearnot

you mean you went to high school?  I would guess you were more worried about what to wear to the prom than how to get an A in algebra or even in constitutional history

fearnot
fearnot

at least he sounds like he went to school.. ever notice the "pocket protector" guys are now the smartest ones?

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 They lied to their customers about where their puppies came from.  Geez, how many times do we have to go over this?  Have your mommy explain it to you

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

  Google "Happiness Is Pets" and "Class Action Lawsuit" - CAPS helped the plaintiffs file that lawsuit in the Chicagoland area.  Or simply click here:http://www.caps-web.org/

If you lie to your customers you commit fraud - and that is against the law.  If you choose the behavior and you choose the consequences.  Happiness Is Pets now knows it.  This should make all pet stores a bit uneasy about selling their puppy mill puppies and lying about it.

A YouTube link has been posted here several times with undercover footage of IHP's "reputable, private breeder" which is actually a puppy mill.  THAT is OUR proof.  Where's YOUR video footage of their "reputable, private breeder"??  The burden of proof is now up to you to disprove our footage is fake.  Ball in your court.  Disprove that!

909Jeff
909Jeff

 If IHP used the facility in the video then what are they guilty of? If the USDA licensed the place and you yourself says the USDA is the Authority of record, where is the problem? Please explain to us how youre going to rationalize this HUGE contradiction?

909Jeff
909Jeff

typical... Thats all you bullies are capable of... 

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 Keep talking, you're just more foolish with each post.  Still traumatized by your pocket-protector wearing high school years?

909Jeff
909Jeff

You had zero basis for a lawsuit because even if they bought dogs from that breeder it was a USDA licensed facility... Meaning they are a legal provider! Their restraining order was tossed out just like any lawsuit you potentially would file would as well..

You obviously haven't sued barkworks yet... C'mon paper tiger back your shit up!

909Jeff
909Jeff

Here is what I posted to Jan and the same applies to you!

you have dodged and dodged and dodged... oh and called names... Admit it.. You have no substantial proof that IHP sold puppy mill puppies, and that you are nothing less than a radical who wants to destroy free enterprise family owned pet stores because it doesn't fit nicely into your little deffinition of rescue only. 

You, yourself said the following..

"We have the evidence and have provided it to City Council and to the USDA. Even the USDA is investigating their breeders for violating Federal laws. One of their breeders shot a Golden Retriever in the head. Don't believe me? Ask the USDA"

Yet the only proof anyone provided thus far is the youtube video of a USDA licensed facility that you deem disgusting.  

Sounds to me like your problem should be with the USDA!

 Let me guess... You and your merry band of hooligans don't quite have the juice to go after the government so you target innocent business owners?

 I finally figured you out... You're bullies! That is why when I dared question your legitimacy your cronies came out and tried to bully me.  Fat chance sister!

 If IHP used the facility in the video then what are they guilty of? If the USDA licensed the place and you yourself says the USDA is the Authority of record, where is the problem? Please explain to us how youre going to rationalize this HUGE contradiction?

Dianne Dorado Arp
Dianne Dorado Arp

 They only closed because they couldn't fight the FACTS in court.  CAPS had undercover video shot at their 'reputable private breeders' i.e. a puppy mill and they were caught lying.  That's fraud and knew it.  So they, wisely, chose to close instead of getting sued.  And THIS IS FACT. 

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