Huntington Beach Residents Lost Police Helicopter Today

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Yippie! Wasting your valuable taxpayer money but everybody thinks we're working hard!
Huntington Beach residents didn't have their police helicopter patrolling the sky over their city late this afternoon because the pilots decided to leave the city and take the expensive bird on a low-flying joyride.

The aerial officers probably felt lottery-jackpot-type joy because somehow their path mirrored the vehicle path of a veteran OC Weekly investigative journalist who is presently investigating multiple Huntington Beach cops for corruption.

Imagine the coincidence!

Despite making a whopping nine, 90-degree turns over several miles on the road, the journalist's vehicle must have possessed intense magnetic power because the HBPD helicopter joyriders couldn't break free for nearly 30 minutes, waited for the journalist during a 5-minute stop and then resumed the tailing in the opposite direction.

The helicopter was not in HB or its contract city, Costa Mesa.

Another miraculous coincidence: the same reporter was the leading journalist who exposed dirty OC Sheriff Mike Carona and his top two assistant sheriffs before their FBI/IRS arrests and federal corruption convictions.

After previous, similar police helicopter/journalist vehicle phenomena, high-ranking HBPD police officials tried to explain away the pilot's conduct by claiming the helicopter had been on secret surveillance missions.

It's an inadvertently hilarious assertion that a loud mechanical bird purposefully flying under 200 feet and mirroring the multiple roadway turns of an investigative reporter can be on a secret police mission.

Perhaps the HBPD boys are still mad about one of the reporter's articles that exposed the department for national ridicule after its officers secretly planted a loaded gun in a suspect's vehicle and then tried to coverup the unethical conduct.

You can read that article HERE.
 
Orange County's various police helicopter pilots have no meaningful oversight or accountability despite the powerful, publicly-owned equipment they are allowed to operate.

Costa Mesa and Newport Beach killed their police helicopter programs last year because officials deemed it too expensive and unproductive in real crime-fighting efforts.

--R. Scott Moxley / OC Weekly

(Send correspondence to: rscottmoxley at ocweekly dot com)

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Dennis210
Dennis210

"80 percent of all cops are criminals and lie on the stands in court and violate the laws while on duty and are being paid for it by the City Councils" of the selected cities (a study was done on this and this is how the above quoted comment was generated. I have even seen Costa Mesa cops hiding behind walls (which is a violation) on thier motorbikes targeting motorists for revenue (meaning money) for things that are not illegal. It's called ticket quotas and they are against the law/s.

Dennis210
Dennis210

And if you think that's bad thier cops just beat up a man for flicking an ash towards a police cruiser because the cops are assholes and had no business telling someone that, they arrested him without provocaton and beat him up without writing him a ticket that should have been dismissed anyway.

Grumpy_gorilla2u
Grumpy_gorilla2u

They are out to get you! - Falls under POLICE HARRASSMENT.Here's more proof: 4/2/2012During the month of April, the California Highway Patrol and police officers across Orange County are focusing on drivers sending text messages or talking on cellphones without hands-free devices.The U.S. Congress has declared April as National Distracted Driving Awareness Month – when some police agencies deploy additional officers to nab distracted drivers, including motorists violating the hands-free law, eating or applying makeup while not focusing on the road.CHP officers along with local police departments are honing in on motorists who are not fully paying attention to the road.Local police departments, including the Sheriff's Department, will hold "zero-tolerance" enforcement days throughout the month – when they will quickly cite offenders.Fountain Valley police have marked April 3 and April 18 as days that it make an extra effort to get distracted drivers."Our deputies take distracted driving very seriously," said Deputy Wayne Howard of the Sheriff's Department Traffic Bureau. "If you make the choice to drive while texting or talking on the phone without a hands-free device, be aware that a distracted driving violation is going to cost you a minimum of $160."During the campaign month last year, more than 52,000 citations were issued by law enforcement statewide – four times the monthly average, the CHP said.There are no specific laws to cite distracted drivers, other than the ones for cellphone use and texting, but there are various vehicle codes officers can use if appropriate, said Gabe Montoya, a California Highway Patrol officer and spokesman in Orange County.Last year in Orange County, the CHP alone handed out 13,321 citations to drivers who failed to use hands-free cellphones and to drivers under 18 using any kind of cellphone, preliminary CHP figures show. The CHP issued 730 texting-while-driving citations in 2011.Freeway signs will be activated to warn drivers of the consequences of inattentive driving: A ticket for violating either the hands-free or no-texting law costs a minimum of $159; subsequent tickets are $279 (The actual penalties are less, but other fees are tacked on).

Mike
Mike

Investigative reporter(s) with the OCR have been warned, fired and life threatened while investigating allegations that Haidl was involved in hiring a hit-man to kill a business competitor, and that Haidl was selling badges for SBSD, along with several other costly, but Haidl profitable, schemes long before Carona became the OC Sheriff.  So, ... what do you think those guys in the helicopter were doing?

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

To Roman, Craig, and this list goes on.......

I'm not Ray Villescas.  It took me less than five minutes to stoke the fire and find out what you should already know. You may want to put your irons a bit deeper into the fire because your 411 is severely lacking  Sgt. Villescas is a patrol supervisor that was assigned to the air support until he was removed over a year ago.  According to my sources, his Spanish vocabulary starts with taco and ends with enchilada (regardless of the surname).  I told you I was a bilingual, Latino officer that is currently assigned to an air support unit as a commercial pilot.  Ray was never a pilot and never will be.  I can't comment about his third grade reading comprehension but I can provide an answer to the paranoid, delusional rhetoric that spews forth from your mouth.

Before we get to the meat and potatoes, I'd like to say that if you are who I think you are, you are a despicable human being.  If you currently wear a badge, or used to, your dismal existence as a police officer is/was your entire responsibility and you will be forever reminded of that each day when you look at your pathetic face in the mirror.

If you are John Q. Citizen and a long time resident of Surf City I still have an issue with you.  Your statistics wouldn't pass a second grade special ed class.  The Huntington Beach Air Support unit has been around since 1968.  That was 14 years before the city was graced by your residency.  Do you think the helicopter program has been involved with more rescues and heroic acts beyond what you have listed?  There are innumerable heroic deeds that you are unaware of or simply don't care to mention.  How about the 2008 incident where the helicopter landed on a residential street to allow the observer access to a choking child?  The observer entered a residence in order to dislodge a piece of candy from a child's throat.  Criminal enterprise you say?  Thuggery? 

The pier incident involving the lifeguards was highly opinionated on your part.  You claim the helicopter was an expensive flashlight and merely provided a lighted path for the lifeguards to paddle back to shore.  I personally spoke with the pilot who flew that mission as well as the lifeguard on duty that night and they said had it not been for the helicopter, the victim might not have been found (or found as quickly).  Once again, you're taking your ground perception, along with your utter disdain for the program, the officers, and the department, and formulating a half baked opinion as to what transpired.  You are wrong in every sense of the word.

I can tell I will never convince you otherwise and that's fine with me.  You tipped your hat when you said "Like all officers I'm more than willing to turn a blind eye to corruption".  In your brain, "All" officers are corrupt and turn a blind eye to corruption. 

I don't believe you're a regular, law abiding citizen at all.  You might pay taxes but you're merely occupying a warm body in this journey we call life.  You have an antagonistic, "us against them" mentality and are a negative soul.  You suck from the breast of safety and then criticize the way in which it was provided.  You're typical, greedy, and boring.

It's not surprising to me that you didn't acknowledge the facts about your buddy, Joey Racano.  Since we've been on the topic of corruption, don't you think stealing from a coffee shop tip jar is corrupt when you're trying to get elected as a public official?  Don't kill the messenger, I just post the facts.

One last thing.  I'd be careful about referring to police departments as "criminal enterprises" and asserting your opinion as to the level of sexism, homophobia, or racism that lives within unless you have first hand knowledge and work there.  But you don't work there, right??   

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

Roman Archer (or whoever you are).  I caught a glimmer of hope that I was going to be able to argue with a halfway intelligent human being who could articulate himself on paper.  Eventually, I got to the point about Joey Racano and was sadly disappointed.  Reading your blog was like showing up to a rental company, expecting to get a shiny sports car, and leaving with a lime green Geo Metro.  What a travesty!!

In case you've forgotten, Joey Racano was a derelict; a true vagabond that traveled in his broken down camper and had delusions of grandeur of big city politics.  He is the same Joey Racano that sat on planters and benches in the downtown area, strumming his thrift store guitar, and showing the world his filthy bare feet.  The same Joey Racano decided to steal money from the Starbuck's tip jar (evidence was caught on tape), and get arrested for the same crime.  The fact you were with him "on more than one occasion" is alarming at best and lends you no credibility whatsoever!

You have chosen to be a 30 year resident of Huntington Beach partly because of the safety you are afforded.  Besides the mild, coastal temperatures, you live there because you don't fear losing your life as you would in a high crime area.  If I'm wrong, I'll arrange for the moving truck to take your belongings to Watts.

I believe the mild temps and coastal breeze have put the zap on your head.  The things you mentioned about the helicopter program in HB are not true and you have no factual evidence to back them up.  Like Moxely, you're smoking too much Sativa. I would encourage you to make the switch.  Indica is much more calming.  

I used my siren (and public address) in my helicopter the other day to get some kids off a roof of a school.  In the city and county I work for, this might seem minor but it frees up a black and white so the ground cops can do other, more important things.  If you're watering your pathetic Marathon Sod, looking up as I'm buzzing the local school by your house, you might think I'm playing with the siren.  Have you been on board a police helicopter when the guys use the siren?  I think not.  So, therefore, your "expert" opinion goes right out the window.

The "buzzing homes in retaliation" is another boring assertion that lacks any factual content whatsoever.  You have no idea why the pilots fly an orbit around anything they are looking at.  And, the "slow cruises" over the water statement is another one of you gas bag theories.  Do you have statistics on the amount of swimmers in distress the helicopter has found?  Do you know how many dead bodies they have found rolling in the waves?  What's your knowledge on the emergency response plan and responsibility the helicopter has with the city lifeguards?

According to your "ambulance chasing" days when you listened to a scanner (get a life), you heard the helicopter going after traffic violations.  Do you have any statistics on the impact the helicopter has/had on traffic violators?  How about the MADD awards the helicopter unit has won?

I can tell you with 100% certainty that cops (whether on the ground or in the air), would NEVER spend and hour or more looking for some punk who merely gave them the "bird".  There was something more to the story that you're leaving out.

The white and grey color coded channels you spoke of were merely extra channels cops used when the primary channel was too busy or for insignificant traffic.  For example, if I was going to ask you to meet me for dinner, I wouldn't tie up precious air time on the primary frequency to do that.  I'd ask you to switch to the channels you spoke of.  Once again, no sinister plot here, just Orange County's way of communicating for many decades.

The sexism, homophobia, and racism you speak of is interesting.  I am a bilingual, Latino officer that has many friends on my department that are of different ethnic backgrounds and sexual orientations.  I get along well with all of them and know they are able to come to work without fear and anxiety.  If I didn't know better, I would have thought you were one of the numerous past officers that "retire in lieu of getting fired" or went out on some feigned injury that you ultimately medically retired from.  You could also be the type of officer that couldn't cut the mustard so you pulled the "race card" to get paid.  Either way, your accusations are despicable!

I have no obsessions with porno adds, but I do take exception to reckless "journalists" who write for cheesy rags that spend their time bashing good cops.  Moxely thinks he's the next John Stossel and it couldn't be further from the truth.  The truth is, Moxely needs you and you need Moxely. 

Congratulations, you have each other!!

By the way, I'd love to read your "book".  Please advise when you find a publisher that will print your nonsense.

Happy day!    

   

Roman Archer
Roman Archer

I've lived in Huntington Beach for over 30 years and EVERYONE I know, be it relative or neighbor, has a story to tell about Huntington Beach's helicopter program and the complete misuse of those helicopters. From playing with the on board siren to buzzing certain residents homes in retaliation for previous run-ins, to long slow cruises over the ocean during the summer (they claim this is to search for swimmers and boaters in distress, isn't that what we pay the lifeguards for?). A few years back when you could monitor HBPD's radio dispatches (they have since moved to a trunked 800 mhz system that make their transmissions un-monitorable), I used to marvel at the absolute waste of time and money it took to keep that bird in the air. The vast majority of time was spent trying to direct ground units to vehicles that the helicopter had spotted committing traffic violations. Most of the time ground units were unavailable or just plain unable to locate the vehicle. I'll never forget the overwhelming police response to a skateboarder who had flipped off the helicopter one day. They must have had a half dozen units searching for this kid for over an hour, for the serious crime of flipping off the helicopter. And by the way, for any HBPD officers that might be reading this, I knew about your undercover channels, known as white channel and gray channel, so I could monitor conversations that you guys thought were un-monitorable. Needless to say, sexism, homophobia and racism are RAMPANT in this department. I believe with out a doubt, that Moxley is telling the truth, and the police are trying to intimidate him with their vast arsenal of toys. Hey cops, remember local activist Joey Racano and how you ran him out of town with threats and intimidation? I was with Joey on more than one occasion when the police helicopter would circle and follow him, so I know of the abuse first hand. One thing that this thread has proven though, is that Huntington Beach police officers are FAR more involved in protecting their own, then they are in protecting the public. And guys, get some new material other then "you write for the paper with all the porno adds". It's SO overused and besides, why are you guys so obsessed with the porno adds?

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

@ Gus, Claro que si, Pocho, el gusto es mio!!  Bienvenidos a la gran fiesta del norte, la tierra de miel y leche.  Donde hay mujer atras de cada arbol, y las calles son de oro. No sabes lo que tienes cabron!! 

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

@Tug, awesome!!  Hey Mox, I saw a helicopter flying patterns throughout most of the afternoon.  Several times I walked out of the house and saw the same one flying back and forth.  Do you think he was following me?  Should I report his activities?  Now what?? 

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

Chip, so right you are, good sir!!!  It IS worth it to see them make fools of themselves.  Gus sounds like a real winner.  He is to Moxely what Chuy is to the Chelsea Lately show.  Just a wall flower with an occasional profane comment thrown from the Rascal scooter. 

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

Chip, he just doesn't get it and it's not worth it.  I completely agree with all your points.  Moxely doesn't understand that it's not him I fear.  I fear getting into trouble with my department and that's why I choose to write under a bogus name.  If I get fired, I can't provide for my family.  If Moxely get's fired, he can always fall back to a bagging clerk at one of the numerous medical Marijuana joints that he's intimately familiar with.  If that didn't pan out, he could be a driver for the escort girls.  He has choices.

 

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

@Chip, of course good sir.  The "meaningful oversight" that Moxely claims is absent with Huntington Beach could definitely provide answers as to what exactly the helicopter was doing.   In fact, aviation units are more heavily scrutinized and accounted for than he would ever know.  I'm quite confident the pilots were actively working a call or maybe chasing someone during an "in-progress" type incident.  I definitely believe the activity was legitimate and not sinister in any way.

 As far as the location, of course he won't provide it!  By providing his exact location, the PD would look up the incident on the call log and immediately silence his bark.  But, in the interest of sensationalizing his words, he leaves stones unturned to create doubt and suspicion.  Investigative journalist??  I think not!!!

What Moxely does in the future is entirely up to him.  I would encourage him to add some real legitimate flavor to his meat  Any person with the slightest bit of intelligence can punch holes in his story and see that he writes irresponsibly.  It's sad to me that he can spew forth these claims without any checks and balances.  I'd love to take a field trip to the OC Weekly sometime.  I imagine it's a small office with one desk that says "Moxely" over it.  Somewhere in the back hallway, Gustavo has a cage with a water bowl and a small rawhide bone.

Mick 

Mick_Spillane594
Mick_Spillane594

Mr. Moxely,

Speaking of "meaningful oversight", where is yours?  I'm certainly jealous that you can blindly scribble on your notepad, making wild assertions and highly emotional, opinionated comments that lack any factual content.  In my vocational corner I'd be severely disciplined, if not terminated for writing such mud.   These ridiculous words stain the eyes of the public and anyone who is ignorant to the intrinsic workings of a police helicopter might actually believe your anxious tales.

I am a policeman and a helicopter pilot currently assigned to an air support unit.  I would love nothing more than to reveal my proud identity, however; I'd get in hot water with my department since we have a policy that allows only the public information officer (PIO) to talk to chaps like you in a public forum.  I follow policy (there's that meaningful oversight again), and therefore will have to accept my "sock puppet" designation from you. I think it's unprofessional the way you comment to your bloggers that disagree with you.  You slingshot pebbles at them for not identifying themselves.  You know that as cops, we can't. 

You claim the helicopter was on a joy ride but articulate stalker-type behavior that moves into the realm of harassment.  Which was it?  Were they messing around or were they tailing you?  And, what do you think they wanted from you?  Have you asked yourself what their next move would be after they followed you, if indeed that's what happened? 

The next assertion was the "nine, 90 degree turns" over a stretch of highway.  This was comically reminiscent of the scene in Good Fellas when Ray Liotta's character is driving around, coked up out of his mind, looking for the helicopter as he drives to and from his dope connections.  From a geometrical standpoint, your story doesn't hold water.  If the helicopter was making nine, 90 degree turns as it followed you down the road, it would have to have been significantly off-set or quite a distance in front of your vehicle for you to witness the acrobatic turns.  How were you able to safely operate your car if you were craning your neck and counting the orbits?

The helicopter may not have been in Huntington Beach or Costa Mesa.  Did you forget that it patrols over Newport Beach and the entire stretch of Crystal Cove State Park?  And, according to my math, the Costa Mesa/Newport Beach/Santa Ana helicopter program was cancelled; that puts the Huntington Beach Chopper fulfilling a third of the county's responsibility for air support.  Do you have any idea what a task that is?

Although we've never met, I actually admire certain aspects of you and your work.  I spoke with numerous law enforcement folks who have either met you personally, and/or worked with you at some point about a crime story in their respective city.  They were all shocked to read your latest key strokes, as they affirmed you as a better than average reporter who "should know better".

Any good cop will despise a bad cop.  The bad apples pollute all professions and anyone worth a salt would applaud your efforts in highlighting some of the corruption that has transpired throughout the county.  From my research, the "planted gun" case from HB was a joke between training officer and trainee.  To my knowledge it was addressed but no innocent person was ever falsely charged with a crime.  You made it sound MUCH worse.

You are a victim of your own mind, walking around with conspiracy theories that wreak havoc on your quality of life.  Why HB would be surveilling your car years after the work you performed on Carona is beyond me.  I sincerely hope your 17 years as a pen-to-paper journalist flourishes and carries you to new heights as you reach retirement.  I'd like to see you concentrate on being a good investigative reporter and not an anxious, insecure, ankle biter. 

The world is a crazy place and it's only getting worse.  We don't need anymore craziness. The advice my doctor recently gave me, I will gladly pass to you.  Get at least eight hours of sleep each night, eat well, and exercise.  If you partake in any illicit substances, I'd urge you to stop.  Other than your health, security can be obtained by purchasing a firearm, a Rottweiller, and saying a few good prayers to the Big Guy upstairs.

Mick Spillane    

          

 

Black Beard
Black Beard

Hey Big K.They do have criminals to pursue. But they are deciding to avoid it and do the stuff like what this article says.I just complain to the chief about similar situation but the cops were in a car. and we were just walking. I got my apology and the cop was spoken to.The cops believe they are in charge and are not held accountable. They are out of line. We won’t  take it.And it sound like you’re a cop.

Bud Dickman
Bud Dickman

If one knows anything about the aerodynamics of flight, one knows that the MD520N helicopter flown by HBPD can not make 90 degree bank turns and maintain altitude. The trust vector would be parallel to the ground. the main rotor system would be producing lift at an angle 90 degrees to the ground. At below 200' as Moxley claims, the aircraft would lose altitude and fly into the ground within seconds. Simple physics proves Moxley has grossly exaggerated this story. Which raises the question, if Moxley lied about the the bank angle of the turns and the helicopters altitude, what else did he lie about? Of course Moxley will wring his wrists and stomp his feet as well as do some name calling but he will not refute the science that proves him wrong.http://www.thaitechnics.com/he...http://www.copters.com/helo_ae...http://www.amazon.com/Helicopt...

cessnadriver
cessnadriver

Back in the 90's I worked in an office in Pasadena near Rodney King's house.

Several times a day an LAPD chopper would fly up and circle Mr. King's house. Way out of jurisdiction. Pasadena had it's own choppers. They also followed him to and from school when he went to pick up his daughter. 

Only an article in the local paper stopped that practice. 

Roman Archer
Roman Archer

Wow! It seems like my post has your mind racing! I like that! It should be very obvious to you who I am. But don't lose any sleep over it. Now I said I was going to give you the last word, but seeing as you have such a hard on over Joey Racano, I'll be more then happy to acknowledge  a few facts about Joey Racano: Served for 5 years in the United States Navy (2 years active duty, 3 years reserve); Founding member of the Orange County Ocean Outfall Group, which stopped the Orange Count Sewage Waiver; Authored the California Democratic Party's Heritage Tree State Resolution, which was accepted by the delegation at the State Convention in Sacramento; Led the wetland preservation movement responsible for the creation of Little Shell Wetland Preserve; 2 time City Council Candidate who garnered respectable numbers of votes despite very limited campaign funds (he didn't have all the dirty HBPOA money that was pumped in to the winning campaigns of "future felons to be" Dave Garafalo and Pam Julien. You guys sure know how to pick 'em!) Joey is also an accomplished musician who has recorded 2 CD's of original music and opened for  well known recording acts such as Bonnie Riatt. You however describe him as a "homeless vagabond" (and we all know what that will get you in Orange County; see Kelly Thomas), with a pawn shop guitar (it was actually a really nice Gretch acoustic) and dirty feet (I don't recall that at all, but then again I don't have a male foot fetish either). I'll also explain the tip jar incident: Joey was a regular in the Star Bucks on Main Street. He was there so often that it was not an uncommon sight to see him pour his own coffee and leave his money on the counter. This was widely accepted by all the Starbucks employees (many of whom I know very well). Now I wasn't there on this particular day (and neither were you "Ray"), but Joey's explanation to me about the incident makes sense: he was simply making change for himself out of the tip jar. It makes total sense. Why would a guy who visits the same coffee shop every single day for months on end, suddenly decide to steal pocket change out of their tip jar. Doesn't make any sense at all. What does make sense is that the very corrupt Huntington Beach Police Department once again got things wrong and trampled on an innocent persons rights. Of course, any one with half a brain can see by your one-sided description of Mr. Racano that your department had (and still has) an obvious vendetta against him. Joey, besides being an outspoken friend of the environment was also an outspoken critic of the Huntington Beach Police Department. This was at a time of the "Blu Flu" sickouts and the  very dirty campaign against respected city councilmen Dave Sullivan and Tom Harmen, led by corrupt POA heads Richard Wright and political wanna-be Russ Reinhart. You remember that nasty era of police misconduct don't you? Don't you remember Harmen calling out your department for sending officers to drive by his house to harass and threaten him. Oh, but you guys don't spend on duty time settling personal scores do you?

joey_racano
joey_racano

@Mick_Spillane594  Bill Borden, are you still talking trash on me just because I beat your whole police dept, developers, and county sanitation board while sleeping in an alleyway and without a cent to my name? It must be sad for you to know I drive a 200K vehicle now. Anyway Bill, see you at Little Shell'.  

dalemcgill
dalemcgill

Today they were looking at my butt, because I mooned them, the perverts.

Roman Archer
Roman Archer

To Sgt. Ray Villescas (aka Mick Spillane594) of the Huntington Beach Police Departments air unit: I would love to debate you on the merit of your departments air unit, except with your 3rd grade reading comprehension it would be nothing more then a waste of key strokes. You rambling diatribe was rather enlightening and quite amusing though! I did look up some of the statistics on your air unit that you had chastised me about not knowing and they are laughable! Maybe that's why you offered none of these statistics yourself. Why one year, the helicopter assisted lifeguards in saving 6 swimmers. One of these heroic assists was written up in the local paper. The air unit assisted lifeguards who were rescuing a man who had fallen off the pier. What was the helicopter role in this rescue you may ask? It was nothing more than shining the helicopter spotlight on the shore so lifeguards could find their way to the beach. Do you really think the lifeguards needed your help in finding their way to shore? In fact, your air unit was nothing more that a very expensive flashlight on this particular call. This is just one of many examples and again, I could go on and on with more stories of corruption and abuse of power by your department but what good will that do?  Like all officers, you are more than willing to turn a blind eye to corruption. You do realize that your department has a long history and reputation for incompetence and brutal thuggery don't you? You chastise me for calling out your department for being sexist, racist and homophobic and then accuse me of being one of those officers that "couldn't cut the mustard and pulled the race card to get paid". This intimates to me that you are fully aware of racism in your department, yet you call me despicable for bringing it up. You can't have it both ways Ray. See how foolish you look now that you've been outed? I'll give you the final word on this one Ray. I just wonder how you will handle it. Will you admit to who you are? Or will you deny being Sgt. Villescas? Or will you just disappear under the floorboards like a cockroach? One last thing Ray, This is not my blog. I do not know Moxley, Moxley does not know me. I'm just a regular law abiding, tax paying citizen of Huntington Beach who is fed up with the continuing ongoing criminal enterprise know as the Huntington Beach Police Department. Happy Day Ray!

Roman Archer
Roman Archer

The one thing that stand out in this thread is that the police are far more interested in protecting each other then protecting the public. I have personally observed so many abuses of power by the Huntington Beach police department that I could write a book on it. They lie and they cheat. They are racist, sexist and homophobic. I know far more about this department then they can EVER imagine.

Tug Speedman
Tug Speedman

 I think of Gus as Moxley's personal fluffer.

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

 @ Mick... It's worth it to me to watch them make fools out of themselves. We both understand why you can't post your real name. Most departments have policies requiring department approval before editorializing in a publication.  We also know that anyone daring to disagree under their true name would be harassed and intimidated while Mox and Gus hide behind the first amendment. It's what clowns like them do.

NG Coot
NG Coot

Why are you cops all over this?  There must be something you all are very concerned about.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

It's immensely funny that certain cops who like to think they are tough guys cowardly create fake names in hopes of speaking to me and then spend time writing me with their juvenile BS. Very courageous boys.... Please note: I carry no gun or badge, but you still fear me. Smart citizens know that's because of all the government corruption I've exposed over many years ;)

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

@Mick... I think you are 100% correct. As for Mox and Gus, I don;t think we can expect much from guys that work for a publication full of ads for marijuana dealers and prostitutes.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Wow! You cowardly boys really are obsessed with me. You come to OC Weekly, you invent fake names so you can be brave and then with every sentence you write you prove why it's dangerous for the public that there is no meaningful oversight in OC of expensive police helicopter programs. Nice job!

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

 Hey Mick,

If Moxley has the figs to respond to you, don't expect anything other than insults and to have your courage questioned. I agree that it is insane to think a helicopter air crew would have Moxley under surveillance.

One thing you didn't mention was the possibility that the helicopter could have been providing mutual aid or any number of other legitimate police functions. As Moxley has refused to provide the exact location this took place, we do not know for a fact that HB1 was even outside of it's patrol area. Why would Moxley refuse numerous requests to provide this information? The obvious answer is that it would give his claims even less credibility. The bottom line is that it is pretty simple for the press to find out what HB1 was doing at a certain time and place yet Moxley makes no mention of doing so. pretty shoddy reporting.

Moxley also tries to come off like this big hero of an investigative reporter for outing Carona, Jarmillo and Haidl. We all know it was other cops spoon feeding Moxley the dirt on those three. All Moxley really had to do was write it down. Like you said, no one hates dirty cops more than honest cops. Moxley seems to be forgetting what a great source of information cops can be. He needs use a bit of caution in painting the entire profession as dirty in using terms like "scum bag cops." I would strongly encourage Moxley to keep reporting on public corruption just use a bit of caution about implying the entire profession is dirty. If Moxley continues down his present path, I would not be surprised to see many of his sources dry up. OK, I think this is where Moxley flips out and claims I am making some sort of veiled threat rather than simply making an observation.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Hola "Bud Dickman" and the cowardly man cowardly hiding behind the fake name: You've offered fascinating logic in an effort to protect the joyriding cop pilots. But your readng comprehension skills are horrible. I wrote that I made 90-degree turns on the road in a vehicle. I didn't claim that the helicopter pilots, who were wasting valuable taxpayers funds outside of Huntington Beach, made precise, 90-degree turns. Only an idiot would base his argument against me on the notion that a helicopter's flight path must, like cars, mirror the actual road. Nice try though. Thanks for the laugh, "Dickman"!

Occipital
Occipital

I live in fear everyday for the last five years after filing a complaint against a HBPD officer. An HBPD officer made a terroristic threat and acted on it after I complained. Yes they parked in front of my house, yes they followed me to work, yes the helicopter buzzed my house everyday and showed up out of jurisdiction. I have been documenting on video and audio for years with an attorney and it is real. I have panic attacks and post traumatic stress from these terrorist acts. I have lost my home, vehicle, job and friends from the psychological affects of fear and intimidation. It is street terrorism and they no it. That's why they are on here making fools of themselves and acting like the childish bully's they are. There is oversight, it's done internally just like any other gang.

Roman Archer
Roman Archer

Hey Ray, The posting names of Roman Archer, Craig Bueller. Now do you get it?

NG Coot
NG Coot

Write the book dude - Mox will be your co-author!

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Congratulations, Tuggy! You've finally been honest with us. I have absolutely no doubt you are consumed by thoughts of male fluffery acts. Advice: Don't tell the lil' woman. She definitely won't understand your obsession...

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

Gus, If I wanted to make you my bitch there is nothing you could do about it except bite the pillow. You will never know how close you have stood from me. Closer than you could ever imagine.

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

@NG Coot. OK man, you busted us. I'm going to come clean. ALL  of law enforcement fears Moxlie and his butt buddy Gus the race baiter. All of law enforcement is out to get Moxlie. There have been secret meetings on how to put a case on them. The HB chopper was gathering dirt on Moxlie but he is just too smart. He caught them. Mox is always one step ahead of the cops. Law enforcement simply can't have Moxlie getting rid of dirty cops like Carona, Haidl and Jarmillo. There has to be retribution.

And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

As a veteran journalist covering the courthouse, I've come to see that certain cops are more for sale than any street walker. Sad but true. Hey, "Chip," I'm betting that observation touches home.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Nice try, cowardly liar. My best sources are law enforcement officers who greatly appreciate my job because they too despise dirty cops. The public knows there are great officers and ones who are criminals with badges. I've found that corrupt cops love to hide behind the badge when they've done something sniveling.

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

  I find it very amusing that when anyone agrees, it is perfectly acceptable with you to post anonymously. However, when one disagrees slightly, suddenly they are a "coward." It's clear that your intent is to marginalize any person offering a dissenting opinion. In the event someone would be foolish enough to dissent under their true name you would likely hide behind the first amendment while intimidating and harassment that person.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Someone loan this coward a set of nuts. He's talking again behind a fake name but acting like he's a tough guy. Pathetic!

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

Someone kick the jukebox. The record is skipping again.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Make sure to say hola next time so I can laugh in your face, anonymous coward!

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Hi cowardly officer who isn't brave enough to speak using his real name!

I love the fact that you come to OCW to read my stories, take the time to create a fake comnent name account and then hilariously suggest that you aren't obsessed with me.

I have never said I'm "one step ahead of the cops." Given my experience, I know better than most about the great work done by honest cops. And I've repeatedly written about that fact.

What I would say to dirty cops like you is that I might be one step behind you.

And, because of my unsurpassed OC record of exposing scumbag cops, you feel the need to attack me behind anonymous names.

Only two groups operate on such juvenile instincts: members of criminal street gangs and corrupt cops.

Chip Douglas
Chip Douglas

You are truly a legend in your own mind, Mox. I'll not that you have failed to answer a few basic questions regarding this alleged incident case in point, the exact location. The fact that you refused to answer such a basic question and responded with juvenile name calling shows your true colors.  Very disappointing to say the least. I hate to burst your bubble, but few cops even know who you are. I suspect that after seeing your behavior here, the few cops who do know you you are going to be much more reluctant to feed you info.  It seems you are your own worst enemy.

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Anyone sensible knows I don't attack people just because they offer differing opinions. All I am pointing out in your case is a credibility point: I fearlessly put my name on my work--work that even takes on powerful, dirty police. You, "Chip," "Dickman" or "Micky," are ball less chumps whose bravery corresponds to your elevation and degree of darkness.

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