Son of Calvary Chapel Pastor Allegedly Mocks "Retarded Fuck" Congregant

It appears that another chapter has been written in the ongoing embarrassment that is Calvary Chapel's refusal to intervene in one of its affiliate church's fusterclucks. 

Alex Grenier, who is documenting his fight against Calvary Chapel corruption and the alleged abuses of his stepfather, Rev. Bob Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia, has posted an audio recording at www.calvarychapelabuse.com of Bob Grenier Jr. allegedly mocking a developmentally disabled child who attends the church. 

According to Alex Grenier, the 48-second clip is that of Bob Grenier Jr. cracking jokes about the kid and two families at Calvary Chapel Visalia. 

With another man laughing in the background, a male voice identifying himself as "Bobby" is heard saying, "You're so damn fat that you can't even play karate the right way. You sit with the little kids, you retarded fuck." 

But wait, there's more! Bobby also jokes about someone getting caught in the act of "playing with his pudding" in the bathroom, and if daddy catches him doing it one more time, "he's going to slice that motherfucker right off." 

According to Alex Grenier, the leader of Calvary Chapel Visalia's Sunday School is Didi Grenier, wife of Bob Grenier Jr. 

During an Internet interview of Alex Grenier and Chuck Smith in December, Smith chuckled about the notion of corruption in Calvary Chapel, saying he didn't know of any, and that Grenier, who has accused his stepfather of child abuse, is a "loose cannon". 

Smith said he doesn't try to police the more than 2,000 Calvary Chapels, but he reports issues to authorities when he hears of pastors acting "out of line." 

He also said he has no authority over Bob Grenier, but couldn't find any proof of the alleged abuses anyway. Oh, and he told Alex Grenier to "get a life."

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PastorofPLUR
PastorofPLUR

The fact that Christian churches don't police down like Catholic churches do can be frustrating to those who have suffered under bad church leadership. You don't want to leave the church & community you grew up in, & you don't want to abandon the gentler sheep. So you just keep kicking & screaming & hoping that somebody will swoop down & save the whole kit-n-kaboodle. But that doesn't happen in the Christian church. The American Christian church is actually designed to prevent that. 

However...how much time do you invest into finding a better church and pastors for yourself, versus trying to destroy the one church that hurt/dissatisfies you?

Mlinda3102
Mlinda3102

When a congregation does not have a clear understanding and means to hold every one, including the leadership accountable, there will be foxes, who are placed in charge of keeping "charge" over the flock.   The "Moses" model is not valid, no matter what Chuck Smith states. We are all annointed who are in Christ and we are all called to preach the gospel while holding one another to an account. To sweep anthing under the rug or to minimize behaviors that clearly are against God's Word is nothing more than joining in and reinforcing this type of wrong doing, particularly those who are placed in leadership roles. To say that there is no sanction or authority to hold another Calvary Chapel pastor accountable is not biblically sound. It is a easy way to play the middle field and to keep oneself from having to truely love in word and deed, however. It is a weak position and it is avoiding one's duties and obligation in protecting the body of Christ. Being with Calvary Chapel since 1978-----I am going to say to the leaders: we in the church are calling every pastor forward to give an account of all men who are cheating, lying, and abusing their family members. We are calling men and women alike to step to the plate and stop committing adultery and fornication. We are calling all who are or have or is playing games with another while violating their marital vows and displacing their partner. We are calling each person to stand up and stop mocking God's grace and claiming Once Saved Always Saved when in fact any attempts for most to bring these ungoldy behavior into the light is meant with the infamous weapon rule: To silent and to discredit the abuse, the forsaken, the betrayed, and the bullied. It is true that Calvary Chapel leadership has a history of turning their faces upon such atrocities within the congregation. It is also true that they are very weak on enabling others to take a more active part in bringing truth to the light.  Yet God's Word tells us that we are all filled with the Holy Spirit who are in Christ. It even tells us the the least of these ought to be able to decide these matters.  Hopefully, in time as the leadership changes hands, God will raise up one who will be more in line in not just preaching God's Word, but also implement it as well. It takes more than a fatherly smile and a "nice" or passive shepherd to lead those who want so much to know and to live in the way, the truth, and the light. Ljp

guest
guest

Most  "pastors"  and "elders" are not who they claim to be. They are full fledged narcissists and found a way to munipluate people through the pulpit. These people are concerned about protecting their "church empire" than the truth. Unfortunately, even when there is evidence, the majority of people will believe that their "pastor" is a good guy instead of believeing reality. The Bible says that there are wolves in sheeps clothing. Meaning that they hide behind the Bible pretending to be something that they are not and preaching a false gospel. Test everything, 1 John 4:1  1 Thes 5:21. Christians are suppose to discern and most don't think that discernment matters. Most Christians let their "pastor"  discern for them. That's because they think  that their pastor could never be wrong and that he always speaks for God.

It's time for the real Christians to pull their heads out of the sand and live the truth instead of living in a Christian Disneyland.

Rwilson349
Rwilson349

Interesting comments defending the church, despite the actions of it's flock. Doesn't your bible teach that you can tell the nature of the tree by the fruit it bears? Now since we agree that these two pastors are bad apples...then Calvary Chapel MUST be a bad tree. I know, I know, the Bible is a bitch!

LMO
LMO

It's mighty deceptive to place a picture of Chuck Smith next to the title, as if he (or his son) is the pastor in question.  There are bad apples in any bunch and to judge all Christians by one person's horrible and inexcusible actions is unfair and ridiculous.

Di
Di

2 Bad apples and they are not a representation of all Calvary Chapels. These guys are super wrong and it is sad that they are doing this but they are not a representation of everyone and all calvary chapels. I go to CCM and it is an amazing place. I pray for these guys who seriously need to find Jesus. They are wolves in sheep clothing. They are giving Christians and CC a bad name. 

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

The good pastor is full of Jesus. 

Which is another way of saying he's full of shit.

Guest
Guest

And the point of the article is???? That the son is as big of asshole as the father? Ok. It probably runs in the family. This story line is old and boring now. Next.

guest
guest

Pastorofplur,    Your answer in the second paragragh is a typical one that most say to justify whatever is going on in their church. The "churches" that are hurting  people are filled with ungodliness  and  is already destroying itself....

Dooda
Dooda

Best comment I have read yet.  I am assuming that you grew up in the church also.  I think a lot of us that have either get very bitter against the church & religion or we just get wise to it like I see you have in your comment above.  Most pastors I will agree have an ego trip & feel like they can't be touched.  They are people that constantly want to be the center of attention.  It's sad to see people of congregations (any congregation of any religion) put their leaders on such a high pedestal.  When you put your faith in a person you are only gonna get disappointed.  It scares me how people at Calvary have made Chuck out to be a Christ like figure.  Putting their trust in him rather than God.  I know Chuck doesn't welcome this idolizing upon himself, he is always telling people to look to God but people have gotten obsessed with the idea of Chuck the Holy One.

When Chuck was young & the church itself was small he had all kinds of say so.  However, the church is so huge now that Chuck has became kind of like a Queen Elizabeth.  Really not in charge but just a figure or mascot.  There are too many hands steering this massive ship now & there is so much confusion & chaos & some really bad people slipping through the cracks because it has gotten too huge to contain & keep track of.

CC truth'er
CC truth'er

The point is this... Son of Calvary Chapel Pastor Allegedly Mocks "Retarded Fuck" Congregant

909Jeff
909Jeff

His articles on Smith and warren are borderline "stalkerish" 

Mardetta
Mardetta

I love Pastor Chuck. I have been associated with Calvary Chapel since 1970. Chuck has always stated repeatedly that he is not a pope. He truly trusts God to take care of the many churches that arose freely from the CCM model. And I have seen that God does oversee them. I've witnessed the rising or the fall of many. God is in control, not man. However, each Christian must be in touch with God, not trusting in Man, because no man is in charge.

Mlinda3102
Mlinda3102

When a congregation does not have a clear understanding and means to hold every one, including the leadership accountable, there will be foxes, who are placed in charge of keeping "charge" over the flock.   The "Moses" model is not valid, no matter what Chuck Smith states. We are all annointed who are in Christ and we are all called to preach the gospel while holding one another to an account.

To sweep anthing under the rug or to minimize behaviors that clearly are against God's Word is nothing more than joining in and reinforcing this type of wrong doing, particularly those who are placed in leadership roles. To say that there is no sanction or authority to hold another Calvary Chapel pastor accountable is not biblically sound. It is a easy way to play the middle field and to keep oneself from having to truely love in word and deed, however. It is a weak position and it is avoiding one's duties and obligation in protecting the body of Christ.

Being with Calvary Chapel since 1978-----I am going to say to the leaders: we in the church are calling every pastor forward to give an account of all men who are cheating, lying, and abusing their family members. We are calling men and women alike to step to the plate and stop committing adultery and fornication. We are calling all who are or have or is playing games with another while violating their marital vows and displacing their partner. We are calling each person to stand up and stop mocking God's grace and claiming Once Saved Always Saved when in fact any attempts for most to bring these ungoldy behavior into the light is meant with the infamous weapon rule: To silent and to discredit the abuse, the forsaken, the betrayed, and the bullied.

It is true that Calvary Chapel leadership has a history of turning their faces upon such atrocities within the congregation. It is also true that they are very weak on enabling others to take a more active part in bringing truth to the light.  Yet God's Word tells us that we are all filled with the Holy Spirit who are in Christ. It even tells us the the least of these ought to be able to decide these matters.  Hopefully, in time as the leadership changes hands, God will raise up one who will be more in line in not just preaching God's Word, but also implement it as well. It takes more than a fatherly smile and a "nice" or passive shepherd to lead those who want so much to know and to live in the way, the truth, and the light.

Ljp

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Um, we only hire stalkers at this paper, so the point of this comment is?

Cucumel
Cucumel

I meant to unlike this comment.  You are an idiot

909Jeff
909Jeff

aw crap... Now I'm gonna be looking out my window for Moxley...  

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