Jeremy Popoff Flip Flops On Prior Kelly Thomas Killing Statements

• You need to get out of Fullerton...slimbag!

• No one is saying that. But the cops allegedly showed up at the behest of a Slidebar employee who falsely reported a crime (car break-ins) in hopes of having Kelly Thomas shooed away or removed from the general area...because Kelly Thomas wasn't actually breaking any laws, just annoying the sensibilities of some shallow bar patrons (and employees). If that call was made, the law was broken and that person is culpable for lying to the police...which is a crime.

• I hate the slidebar as much as the next guy, but it's not their fault the cops murdered Kelly Thomas.

• Ironic that I see this article wedged between Orly Taitz & ugly home pics. with more BS about Dana Rohrabacher. I read an article about how some club owner finally saying something and see comments talking about mental health, housing & police brutality. Kelly Thomas had the option to make choices, but did not have the capacity to do so. Mental Health is so difficult. so many need help and so few funds available I guess they just leave the ones that do not want help their way and take the next one...

• Great journalism, Brandon. You really made Popoff look bad. Can you let is rest now and do some real work? You are getting paid, right? Earn it you lazyass.

• Lol what if I was a person with a mental illness that got hired on as staff, what would be the problem with that. A lot of your comments are very derogitory towards people with mental illness. Like there is something lesser about being a staff if I had been someone who had recieved services. Yeah there are many people that do not like the place that I work but we are a nationaly recognized agency that other agencies from around the country send their workers for training and DMH has us run a work force development program. As I said earlier I am not a psychiatrist so it is my own opinion through my own research and does not reflect the opinion all staff. I believe that medications can be helpful but are do not necessarly work for everyone and do not equal recovery. I just think that the most abused and over prescribed prescription category should be prescribed in a situation where there is stability. How am I ignoring the fact that there is a serial killer? That was not really the topic but ok. I have not said that the street is not dangerous. I have said I value housing and think people do better in housing but that they have the right to make there choices. I am not in orange county so I haven't had to speak with anybody about that but there are murders regularly on the Los Angeles riverbed and I bring up the dangers of living on the street regularly and people aren't dumb they know what is going on.

• Your workplace has failed people like Kelly and many others  too, if it's where i am guessing.... The Black and White thinking  one med would be used casue that's what your agency  uses .. like you stated above.... indicitive of why your method does little and late.  Why not even advocacy success  for ONE  safe accessible shelter in OC for single disabled adults 20 years after the ADA?  20 years !!!!!!  a couple pay more than hud rent for  (not accessible)  transitional housing programs is not what I mean. Institution or the road is not all there is. Stabilizing a psychotic to help to be able  them make their own decisions and getting their plan in action vs  your claim of knowing what  someone else  (who  you have only dealt with while being supported to stay med free  in a psychotic state)  would want is a lot more reality based.  I notice you are still ignoring that there IS a serial killer out there targeting the homeless. Will your lets talk the talk over and over while they are stuck with no  real safety net and  problems solved for years also involve  NOT warning  your clients of this  very real and current danger to them? Are you by chance another nice,  compliant patient who got hired on as staff?   

• I value housing and I believe people tend to do better when they are living in housing. I would love to see more and more afordable housing options out there and more assistance for people to get off the streets. That being said as hard as it may be to watch people strugle, I will always stand up for there human rights to make their choices even if I think it is taking them in a downward spiral. I do not believe in the government making choices for us in restricting our rights of choice. If you read my previous post that does not mean you have abandoned these people or are watching from a perch. There are ways in which change can be made with out force or taking away of peoples rights. It is done through a couple of things being involved in a persons life on multiple levels and caring about a person and learning about them beyond their mental illness. I see this on a regular basis where I work. There is true power in creating a place of welcoming and community where people feel valued and work in collaberation.

• Popoff and the Slimebar need to get out of Fullerton! 

• It was no way Kelly's fault that he was often in the places where  he would find the worst luck, nor would  any of my posts ever suggest that.  Believing there is one kind of anti anxiety medication that could have been used or helps is a common error. Believing lock up is the only solution or that  it's just too much work to help a person  with multiple or difficult disability needs ,so its best to leave them to their own devices and a downward slide that is almost always inevitable  is another common err and huge  problem for society and the systems. A serial killer IS currently  attacking and killing  OC homeless people. Ignoring that or making it into a  different story to brush off is leaving  people  who are already the most vulnerable un warned and unprotected.  The ADA has been in effect for over 20 years  peoples right to be homeless and not rational / psychotic has been protected over peoples need to  be in safe affordable accessible housing anad getting the system fixed  so it serves in stead of oppresses most .  Sobering someone up or in a similar way helping them be mentally aware long enough to get a game plan going so you know their wishes  sounds a lot better than leaving them to be victims of bad cops,  serial killers or the average bully or on  the road to hell whihc is paved with good  and bad intentions. Not having endured the hell of homelessness or knowing  that most of the problem is system and even advocacy failure, and not knowing the many medication options effects and side effects, but supporting what is NOT  most helpful to the people  with physical or mh disability that are left in the road for years is far too commonplace and reflected in the fact that the numbers of single adults with disability who are long term homeless is growing.  YOU want to protect  peoples right to be in homeless hell in stead of  housing they would go to and ignore the options and realities to THEIR peril, well that is pretty easy to do from your comfortable perch.  I want to see Change, real help that people DO want and need, and before so many more have suffered and died  from all the so called good intentions that continue the spiral down. 

• I keep seeing more and more articles pop up regarding Kelly Thomas and as you said Chris it is kind of a bummer to see all of this articles are a distraction from what really happened. This was a case of out of control police that killed a man that because he happened to be homeless and have a mental illness they figured they would get away with. If we are going to take something away from the death of Kelly as far as mental health, in my opinion it should be how can the community better understand homelessness and mental illness and reduce the stigma. Just because you offer someone housing does not mean that they will want or take it. If housing is available it may take a friendly urging and guiding that takes quite some time to get a person to try housing. I am not a psychiatrist but I think it is a bad idea to give a person with living on the streets anti-anxiety medications (benzodiazapines). Benzo's yes do tend to reduce anxiety but they are also a medicaiton that becomes addicting and many people then want more and then when they get cut off and can't get them are a much more anxious than they were before they started. You make it sound like it is Kelly's fault that he was in the parking lot in the Fullerton train station that night and that was such a bad situation. I don't get where "bad things were likely to happen" you get you are going to get stopped by a police officers and beaten to death, come on do you realize how ridiculous that sounds. Next are you going to be blaming the homeless people for getting killed by a serial killer that is just ridiculous. I have saw an article recently that was linked to Kelly where they were trying to push Laura's Law where they can mandate treatment for people with a mental illness by saying that people may in the future be a danger to themselves or others. Forcing people to do something usually doesn't end up with the result you want. If you lock them up yes they do what you want while they are locked up, yet that tends to sower people towards the mental health system in getting outpatient services. What is needed is a better mental health system with better trained workers to outreach and engage the homeless population. We need to work on creating communities where there is better understanding of mental illness, as a side note there have been studies for schizophrenia that show that friendship and connection can be just as affective as antipsychotic medicaiton for some individiuals.

• I dont see what was contradictory?  And based on the fact that this is about the fourth article you've written about the guy effectively trying to attack his business and livelihood... Perhaps you do have some built up tension to "get out". 

• People pick on the homeless.   Bad cops and other authorities pick on the homeless. A serial killer is currently in OC-  HUNTING and KILLING the homeless. If he had a  safe place to go and maybe some anti anxiety meds (some do find the anti-psychotics side effects to be too much to justify)   he would not have been so often out of his right mind and OFTEN  in the places  and position where bad luck , bad things were LIKELY to happen.  You go ahead and support your it costs less to support  the no good or alternative help to people theories.. and support the right to not create options  so people can't  get ANY  help.  More will be out here and be abused. More will suffer and die.  But so you can save a buck and ignore the  possibility  of better efforts to create safer alternatives, for  human beings who are suffering - let them rot in the road is best, huh?   A bad cop is one issue of the many .

• The Kelly Thomas murder has nothing to do with the need for more government entitlement.  It has everything to do with police officers using excessive force and killing a man.  The police unions LOVE when people make this about a lack of government spending and ignore the real problem which is the Police Officers Bill of Rights which makes holding out-of-control cops all but impossible.  I have spoken with both of Kelly’s parents and his sister about Kelly’s choices.  He was an adult and he did not want to live under a roof or under anybody’s authority.  They had no legal cause to force him to stay anywhere or force him to take his medication…nor did the government.  He lived the way he wanted to live and he was murdered because a cop was pretty confident that nobody would care and that he was protected by a POBAR which is so onerous that a 15 year DA in a 3 million person county had NEVER prosecuted a cop for excessive force in the field.   

• .... or we could look at the problem of homelessness  for disabled single adults and why there is still not enough safe affordable accesible housing in wealthy OC ( or any where else) and more advocay to be homeless and not at all medicated than to get the access to real and appropriate help. Why wasn't he on at least anti anxiety meds if he couldn't tolerate anti psychotics. while he was in the road? ..and why did he never get housing so he wasnt in  the spotlight  24/7 where he ws more likely to get bullied  by biz citizens and  others?        With not enough housing,  with the disability assistance  focus on  Olmstead , and many unemployed and others  also qualifying for housing and other assist ,  EXPECT to see more adults with physical and Mh  disability in the road -  and more incidents.

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