Neptune, Jesus, Santa and Satan Sitting on a Billboard, Promoting Orange County Atheism

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For its latest atheist-friendly billboard, Backyard Skeptics is unveiling in Midway City this afternoon a photo lineup featuring King Neptune, Jesus Christ, Santa Claus and the Devil himself, broken up with an orange text box with the words, "What myths do you see?" and under this ditty: "7 Million Californians know MYTHS when they see them. What do you see?" Below it all are the web addresses for the Fountain Valley-based group (Backyardskeptics.com) and Cranford, New Jersey-based American Atheists (AmericanAtheists.org).

American Atheists is putting up a similar billboard on the East Coast. Here's the one to be unveiled at 4:45 p.m. in Midway City, in the parking lot of the American Legion post between the 22 and 405 freeways at 14582 Beach Blvd.:

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"It is hard for people who are indoctrinated in a religious belief with many superstitions to look at their beliefs as myths, but it's amazing that the same people look at the other religions and call them superstitions and myths. This seems like a perfect case of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance," says Bruce Gleason, Backyard Skeptics founder and fearless leader.

"The billboard is meant to have others who believe to compare other myths to their own beliefs and to reflect on how myths can, thought a drawn-out legend-building process, come to be thought of as real," he explains.

Backyard Skeptics is leasing the billboard for the next six months and will be changing the artwork to other secular messages, Gleason notes.

Blair Scott, communications director with the four-decades-old American Atheists, says in the joint statement with Gleason that the billboards are not intended to offend people, although he's pretty sure that will happen.

"When you question someone's long-held beliefs and doctrine they are going to be immediately offended and be on the defensive: it's a known psychological phenomenon," Scott says. "Regardless of one's theological views, we should all support freedom of speech. The truly offensive view comes from those who say we do not have a right to put up our billboards."

Both Scott and Gleason claim to be building power through numbers, pointing to surveys where 18 percent of Americans identify themselves as non-believers.

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Laughingpig1
Laughingpig1

Now I can finally shut many of you up on many of these issues:READ CAREFULLY

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Laughingpig1
Laughingpig1

"All riled up and rarin' to go". That's what it sounds like to me so I think I'll go put on some Motorhead now and relax a bit by getting my agreesion out via music. And all because:

"Just 'cause you got the power," that don't mean you got the right." - Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

Laughingpig1
Laughingpig1

What about the Nag Hamadi Texts found at the end of World War II - The Christians do not even touch those in the modern day churches because they were left out of ecleseiastical teachings of the bible that is taught today in churches.

Laughingpig1
Laughingpig1

"For all the people that teach in the synagogues (modern day word for churches) and on the streets are hypocrites, for they like and even love to stand in those very synagogues/churches and spout thier lies to the congregations, they do not know what they say and do for they do not truly know god or his teachings for god is an invisable spirit that cannot be seen by human eyes, therefore it/he does not exist. There is no physical evidence or truth to it. What created the Nebulas was it an invisable god or did they just pop into existence? Over 4 Billion years of cosmic evolution?

Laughingpig1
Laughingpig1

"For all the prople that teach in the synagogues (modern day word for churches) and on the streets are hypocrites, for they like and even love to stand in those very synagogues/churches and spout thier lies to the congregations, they do not know what they say and do for they do not truly know god or his teachings for god is an invisable spirit that cannot be seen by human eyes, therefore it/he does not exist. There is no physical evidence or truth to it. What created the Nebulas was it an invisable god or did they just pop into existence? Over 4 Billion years of cosmic evolution? 

Laughingpig1
Laughingpig1

So apparently 909Jeff is telling me that the Christians are not hypocrites, (ha) well then can you explain the Crusades where the Christians killed and murdered hundreds of thousands in  the worst atrocities of the Middle Ages and this includes the so called Knights Templars and I have movies that I have seen that explain these things from true stories passed down through the ages, one of these movies is called 'Ironclad' and another is called 'Black Death' during the plague times. Go see them both, they are independent films that are available on dvd. You will be upset by them and the depictions.  

Torg T. Robot
Torg T. Robot

I'm offended that Lord Krishna and Ganesha are missing from that billboard.  Why must US Americans always exclude Hindus?

Waldo Butterman
Waldo Butterman

Remember when we laughed at the hysterical Muslims reaction over the 'cartoons' of Mohammed?  

Now the Xians are hysterical over a billboard that places Jesus in the same league as Santa, Neptune and the Devil.  

Two different 'believer' groups, same hysteria.  Xians: stop waving your hands like a windmill in a hurricane and relax.  There is no possibility that your 'brethren' will stop believing in your invisible friend.  Your comments here are indicative that you DO doubt your own dogma, and that is good, but frankly, no one expects you to suddenly become enlightened. 

Change will happen, but Xianity usually cannot be cured - it's almost like a brain tumor, and nearly as devastating.  As new generations arise, the number of fanatic mythology lovers drops, and eventually the hand wringers will grow old and die off.  This trend has been ongoing for decades, and will no-doubt continue.

Less than 5% of Europeans still attend any formal religious ceremonies.  We'll get there, eventually.

documents
documents

I feel sorry for these people.  The ones who put up the billboards I mean.  We will all find out one day who is right, won't we.

DengHoo
DengHoo

Dude, Jesus is just totally cool like that. WOw.www.Total-Privacy dot US

JoeBlowww
JoeBlowww

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”  --  Stephen Roberts  --

Shane Fink
Shane Fink

There really isn't a good reason for sign's like these, people accept delusion and reject perfect sense (the real world). This isn't going to change by attempting to show how lost in their imaginary world they are. Can always hope that California becomes so hostile towards religion that there is a great "exodus" of so called religious folk (hypocrites).

Bainer Von Thinkerman
Bainer Von Thinkerman

I would like to comment that americans are in the right path: At least a lot of people are discussing what is an atheist and what is a believer. I think the billboard just post a simple question and generated all the rich arguments in the comments below: This alone is beneficial for every person who is against of favour myths and actually recognizes a myth in the billboard.I truly hope that soon, the ruling of matters related to the human welfare, be in hands of people as far away from myths as possible, because, no matter how myths produce faked visions of reality, reality is one and runs on its own rules. To command nature, you must follow its laws first.

Thomas Lawson
Thomas Lawson

Someone comes into a warm room where the majority of the people are wearing coats, and this person puts up a sign that says: "Coats. They're warm, right?"

Some people will ignore the sign, some will realize they're warm and remove their coat, and some will obstinately keep their coats on and get angry and think that some "jerk" has put up a sign telling them to take off their coats. But what did the sign really say?

Nick Doshner
Nick Doshner

These billboards are malicious? Ever read the Bible? Read about the Spanish Inquisition?Witch burning? Genocide? I could go on....

909Jeff
909Jeff

Yeah because society hasn't advanced over the last 500 years... Go away troll 

Ghoby1
Ghoby1

Why do I have to drive by a billboard of a bleeding Jesus nailed to a cross with the caption he died for my sins! That is offensive to me and my family.

WB
WB

I cant believe how narrow minded many of the "Christian" are that have written in. Somehow simply posting an aetheist point of view is offensive, but ramming their beliefs down our throats in schools, and public institutions shouldnt be offensive to us?

Pegaling
Pegaling

I was raised Roman Catholic and never believed any of it.  One or two of these billboards would have reassured me that there wasn't something wrong with me when I was 12 and couldn't talk to anyone about my non belief.  Maybe they will help someone else feel that.

Pumpuy2010
Pumpuy2010

I just dealt with that on New Years' morning. One of the relatives of my friend announced that he does not believe in god. I thought they Catholics and Christians were gonna lynch him right there. And these were his family members!

Bob
Bob

The only way to combat absurdity is with mockery. Christianity is pure mythology with no basis in Any evidence outside of the Bible. Perhaps some of the intelligent ones will get the message and do some research. The rest of you should just keep praying too your sky wizard. Couldn't he strike it with lightning or smite it to hell? But he won't.Because be doesn't exist!

Chris Bellin
Chris Bellin

  When atheists convert people, they don't say believe me or spend eternity on fire.  They propose questions, which when the subject ponders them, make the religion with the zombie savior born from an unwed mother that will grant you immortality if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove the evil from inside you put there by the first man and woman who listened to a talking snake and ate a forbidden magical fruit, sound just as plausible as the leader of the galactic federation collecting all the souls in the universe and dumping them in a volcano and nuking them here on earth, only to have them still manage to escape and inhabit primitive life forms here on earth.  I see no difference, but I bet you think one of those is just stupid.

Chris Bellin
Chris Bellin

 When atheists convert people, they don't say believe me or spend eternity on fire.  They propose questions, which when the subject ponders them, make the religion with the zombie savior born from an unwed mother that will grant you immortality if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove the evil from inside you put there by the first man and woman who listened to a talking snake and ate a forbidden magical fruit, sound just as plausible as the leader of the galactic federation collecting all the souls in the universe and dumping them in a volcano and nuking them here on earth, only to have them still manage to escape and inhabit primitive life forms here on earth.  I see no difference, but I bet you think one of those is just stupid.

Phillip D Williams
Phillip D Williams

That was beautiful and thanking for taking this one.  I was going to but all I could type was "Jeff, you're a cock, you're a cock, you're cock!"  Don't think I'm the best representative at this time :)

Brianrrs37
Brianrrs37

So when Thomas Jefferson equated the birth of Jesus to Minerva being born out of the brain of Jupiter, he was just taunting Christians? When he said "Question with boldness even the existence of a god for if there be one, surely he would pay more homage to reason than to that of blindfolded fear" Jefferson who wrote the "Jefferson's bible" was just "taunting" his own?

The billboard is two fold. 1 to let other atheists know they are not alone. But to get people to think outside their own compartmentalized boxes. If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves.

Guest
Guest

The billboard feels more like a message put up out of anger, not thoughtful reasoning.1) Neptune: Q. Who believes in him as a god anymore ? A. Romans/Greeks from 2000 years ago.2) Jesus: The obvious target of this ad (Christians).3) Santa Claus: Based on a real person, which grew into a story told to children. NOT A RELIGION.4) Satan: The concept of hell was created by early Christians (The jews didn't believe in a hell).

Jesus is a myth ? He never lived ? There is historical proof that he existed. And Atheists often point to Jesus' birth as crazy, but don't look at the resurrection which is the most important believe to Christians. Why would so many of the apostles be killed and tortured for a myth ? There is much historical proof there.

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

Eww, umm...  Take a look at what non-evangelical historians say about the evidence for a historical Jesus.  Here's some help to get you started:  Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and Tacitus.  And do try to read the passages yourself and not your pastor's interpretation. 

Guest
Guest

Dude come on?  There is a historical proof that Charlemagne existed too...it doesn't mean he was the son of God.  Plenty of cult leaders have died and have had their follows later die for them.  Your argument is shit....

909Jeff
909Jeff

And what's the point of this? I wouldn't have drank that shit... Just like I'm not sipping Bruce Gleasons Kool aid comments that his nasty spirited billboard is intended to invoke introspection on the part of the christians. 

JuanTuTree
JuanTuTree

Jim Jones.  Hmm.  Didn't Jesus say that if you truly believe you could drink poison and live?  I think everyone in the Jones camp truly believed in Jesus.  How many survived again?  For those that don't read the bible unless cherry picked by their pastor, see Mark 16:17-18  

909Jeff
909Jeff

You attacked his argument and pulled Charlemagne out of your ass and dared call his argument shit?  Hell... You could have at least gone with David Koresh or Jim Jones.  C'mon tighten your shit up! 

BillE
BillE

Ya know, this grows tiresome...believe what you want to believe..you really shouldn't care if I care what that is. You have nothing to prove to me nor I to you. So, please for both our sake, leave me the fuck out of it.

Joods226
Joods226

What the Hell?!?!? You can believe anything you want but Hey I take offense when you Bag on Santa! Did you get a lump of coal in your stocking? If so, HMMMMM I wonder why... Santa Rules!!

Suestorm4565
Suestorm4565

I never get the people who say "atheism is its own religion."  Do you understand that we DON'T believe in gods or any religion?  That's why we are atheists. No "manner of speaking" makes that true.   

909Jeff
909Jeff

Youre right... You believe that their is no divine being... And you believe that soooo much that you go out and put up signs attacking religion as much as each religion attacks one another... Welcome to the fray! 

JuanTuTree
JuanTuTree

Remember when you were an atheist?  When you were born, you were.  Did you "believe" there was no god then?  Lack of belief is not a religion.

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

Not believing there is a god is a far different proposition than believing there is not a god. I think you're thinking of agnosticism.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Perfect thank you for making a great point Athiests (at least the ones fervently arguing here) are as logical as a new born. 

 Aaaaaaand when you take your belief of disbelief to this level you are in turn acting in the same manner as the religous zealots you claim to detest.  Hence the billboard. 

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

Did anyone get that this billboard overshadows (and is actually owned but not managed by) The American Legion Post 555to whose motto is: "For God and Country". It was actually put up Monday.

Chris Bellin
Chris Bellin

 It hurts to be a moron doesn't it?  Thank your parents, as Im assuming they're the ones that indoctrinated you in blind faith

909Jeff
909Jeff

You're a viscous little shit aren't you? 

Talk about someone with mommy and daddy issues... 

909Jeff
909Jeff

Yep.. Because that would be funny! and if that were the case I would be Catholic... I'm just sayin. 

JuanTuTree
JuanTuTree

He is just pointing out that if not for your parents, and the region you were born in, you may very well be a muslim right now.  You had little choice in your beliefs, as most people's parents begin the indoctrination as soon as you are out of the womb.  Being told "be good or you are going to hell" as far back as you can remember?  How about "be good or you get coal for christmas." Santa Claus?  Same thing, except most people figure out that Santa isn't real from their friends.  That what the billboard is trying to do.  Imagine a 20 year old that believes in Santa. Would you keep him in the dark?

MEDIABEING
MEDIABEING

Yay religious freedom! Yay Atheists! Yay Truth! Religion comforts...and cripples.

909Jeff
909Jeff

"The billboard is meant to have others who believe to compare other myths to their own beliefs and to reflect on how myths can, thought a drawn-out legend-building process, come to be thought of as real," he explains.I'm sorry but my bullshit detector is blaring right now... 

 "The truly offensive view comes from those who say we do not have a right to put up our billboards." 

The only thing truly offensive is that Bruce Gleason thinks we're stupid enough to buy his bullshit.   He isn't doing this for any other reason than to taunt Christians.   Which is his right to do.  but don't be all indignant when you get called on it.

Again he's become the priest of those who believe in disbelief and is as fanatical about it as the Christians he is claiming to be more "enlightened" than!

Cassandra Estes
Cassandra Estes

Whatever you believe or don't believe you are so right about the BS. Absolutely. I can tell you as a Christian, I don't care if they put that up... doesn't bug me. But when I have to describe to my children as we drive by it how a grown up wasted money on that instead using the money to buy a kid some shoes or a few nutritious meals... That kind of sucks.    Is that all they got a childish billboard?  My kids see things for what they are. The church has bread on the table when we walk in the door for us to take home, they see that, the church encourages us to give to others, to love others, to love even our enemies. My children see that.   My eleven year old thinks that billboard is and I'm quoting the first thing that came out of his mouth "arrogant." He's not allowed to say BS word, but in this case I might make an exception!  

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

Cassandra, You are one of the faithful I truly respect. My deepest thanks to you for taking the time to post your awesome comment! Blessings to you and your family! :-)

Dave
Dave

You are stupid enough to believe a bronze age fairy tale in a book which contradicts evidence and itself. 

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

I'm taking a guess that 909Jeff isn't a Xian.  My money is on agnostic. 

909Jeff
909Jeff

Oh... You're not? 

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

:-D  I hover somewhere between agnosticism and gnosticism, myself. But apparently being critical of an atheist organization makes it acceptable for some to assume I'm some kind of bible-thumping drone. (sigh)

909Jeff
909Jeff

Well considering I cuss like a drunken sailor and (and in a way I am a drunken sailor...) 

You might be right!

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

Perhaps, it is all-of-the-above.  Instruction through ridicule.  Education by derision.  Hopefully, it provokes some into learning more about their chosen religion/mythology.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Perhaps, but the way to go about it isnt putting up billboards openly mocking peoples faith and then saying that you just want them to take an honest and open look at what their beliefs are.  

And for those of you who think I'm a honk for the Christians go look at the story in SAFII about the boycott on Girl Scout cookies... I called the Christians to account over there this morning, 

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

You're right...there are all kinds of special interest groups, religious or not. However, I find the faith-based ones more insidious because they claim their mythology should be the rule of law...which is usually bad news for women, gays and folks of other faiths.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Sheesh... Leave it to you to go all the way to PA to eff up my argument! 

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

I was just messing with you. 

909Jeff
909Jeff

Key phrase...  "you have legislation"

"and other religious attempts to leverage government to push the Christian dogma"  And how is this different that any other PAC or lobbying group?

nondescript
nondescript

Many Christians in this country would just like all other religious beliefs and religious points of view to just be quiet while they run things. They think that this country is somehow a Christian theocracy, in spite of evidence to the contrary. In the 50's, they managed to put "In God We Trust" on all the currency, as if trusting in a religious icon is an official government position. They also managed to inject "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, an extremely divisive phrase ironically placed between "one nation" and "indivisible", or perhaps purposely put there. In more recent times, you have legislation to allow churches to discriminate, "Faith based initiatives" that use tax dollars for proselytizing, and other religious attempts to leverage government to push the Christian dogma.So, the point of stating this opinion is to let people know there IS such an opinion. Otherwise, the country becomes a de facto Christocracy.

909Jeff
909Jeff

you ve brought up the "educational system: a couple times now and either your blind or plain stupid if you think the christians have any control over the public schools.  

Come up with a better argument to support your belief in nothing...

Michel Mercier
Michel Mercier

and was what the point with sending missionaries all over the world in an attempt to spread Christianity, control the educational system, endoctrinate children instead of being honest to them right from the start about the fact God is a belief not a fact...? ok, shut up lol

Guest
Guest

and what is the point of stating this "opinion" ?

Sieben Stern
Sieben Stern

that's just it, it's NOT mocking their beliefs.  It's just stating an opinion, and honestly, a fact...  i'm starting to see a trend of using the wrong words.  atheist religion, zealotry, mocking, i don't think they are what you think they are.... 

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

In a manner of speaking, atheism is a religion unto itself. For me, I'll stick to good old Christianity and Santa Claus.

Patric Westerling
Patric Westerling

Atheism is a religion like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.

You need to research the definition of religion before regurgitating arguments fed to you by your puppet masters.

909Jeff
909Jeff

But unlike the Klan everyone is welcome to any religion... Including yours... the belief of disbelief... 

I mean look how hard you are arguing for... well... Nothing!

909Jeff
909Jeff

Atheism is a religion like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.Heard that one before are you sure you arent regurgitating athiest scripture from your puppet master?  

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

I appreciate what you are saying but, being anti-religious and being an atheist are two different things. You can be anti-religious and still believe in God or a higher power. And, although you may personally have never done "atheist" recruiting, that billboard, puut up by atheists, sure looks like proselityzing to me.

Chase Poore
Chase Poore

I am "Atheist" and I have never tried to "Recruit" anyone for anything. Christians invented the label "Atheist" anyway.

I completely lack religion, therefor I am not affiliated with any religious organization.

That makes me a person, not an Atheist and not a Christian.

If there weren't a million different religions then a label wouldn't be required at all.

I don't really care if my friends are Christian or any other religion, but to call "Atheism" a religion is pretty naive.

The word "Atheist" shouldn't even exist.

Chris Bellin
Chris Bellin

So churches don't have signs out front?  Be saved or fear the wrath?  We need tolerance for religion like we need tolerance for the kkk.  They're both hate groups.  They only protect the people involved with them

Guest
Guest

definition of religion: Details of belief as taught or discussed

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

I don't need to research the fanatical and zealous way atheists are attempting to spread their message of non-belief down other's throats. Now that you mention it, sounds more like a cult. In any case, at a meager 18% of the population, I don't think us mythologists have much to worry about.

Rexsebae
Rexsebae

Atheism is not a religion.

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

I call bollocks on this one. Every translation in the world reflects the translator's bias. The only way you have something that's largely left unchanged is if you have the original.

That said, I agree with you that atheism is a belief system just as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc.

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

First of all, I am not an idiot any more than you are. I don't think you are less intelligent just because you do not believe the way I do. Also, we don't all follow the "King Jimmy" version of the Bible and the version I use -other than being translated into a language I understand- has been left largely unchanged since it's promulgation. The Old Testament is the exact same as the Torah used by the Jews for thousands of years. And, for your information, science and religion are not exclusive. There are a lot of scientists who believe in a higher power, including my God. Oh yeah, you might mean the other books like the Quran, I Ching, Mao's Little Red Book, etc.

Oh, but I guess the short answer is, you do have "cool books" and you are still a religion.

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

That's not much of an example. Think of it; you don't collect stamps, you don't do anything else, unlike being an active atheist who takes the time to put up billboards and, basically, proselytize to make their point about their claim that there is no God (or would it be god?). So,my point is valid. You just choose not to accept it.

Anon
Anon

Just like some people have a "not stamp collecting" hobby?

909Jeff
909Jeff

And you are Bruce Gleasons Sheeple! 

909Jeff
909Jeff

Could have fooled me... And Bruce Gleason is your pope!

Aisler
Aisler

It's called the "Grapes of Wrath."

Cori Stevens
Cori Stevens

We have lots of "cool books" its science you idiot, you only have one book unless you count all the revisions made by man. Enjoy living your life based off of fairy tales and the teachings of whatever King Jimmy wanted to throw in there.

Chris Bellin
Chris Bellin

 Part of christianity is understanding things how you want to, not how they are

Michel Mercier
Michel Mercier

and people used to say that about gays... chill out people... atheism is cool... it just means rejecting bullshit... there are many ways to be an atheist... all you need is to not believe in the claim that "there is a God"... a man-made claim, in case you guys forgot

Phillip D Williams
Phillip D Williams

"What football team do you play for?""Oh, I don't play football.""Okay, but you're still on a team, you just don't have a jersey.""No, you moronic fuck, I don't play.  I am not on a team because I think football is fucking stupid."

By football I mean religion :D

Guest
Guest

yes you try to recruit followers just like any religion

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

Sure it is. They just don't have a cool book like most religions do.

Saje Williams
Saje Williams

I can guarantee that this won't offend pagans.  What makes YOU so special?

909Jeff
909Jeff

I never claimed any affiliation except to call bullshit when I see it 

Warbler
Warbler

funny...my bullshit detector goes off every time I hear about Jesus. Different strokes, pal.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Good for you that's your right... One thing your not doing is putting up malicious billboards and claiming that its an attempt to educate the masses blinded by myth and mysticism.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Wow you really reached back to an old story... 

Please allow me to respond... 

Christians didnt just make that shit up last week... There is 2000+ years scaring people into living clean lives for the fear of going to hell... The flaw in your premise is in assuming that saying sinner burn in hell is a recent phenomenon, its not... But taunting Christians about being narrow minded imbeciles who believe in fairy tales is... or at least its is becoming more of a common practice... None the less... Christians have been pestering people with tales of fire, brimstone, and purgatory for a couple millennia... The Highly enlightened Atheists who seem to have it all figured out (Sound familiar, Swap atheist for christian) have been poking the Christians in the eye for a while, but not effectively until recently, and the reason they are getting this attention is because they stepped up their game and getting more viscous in their attacks. 

Alexander Flack
Alexander Flack

I really hate having to point out that attacking someone's beliefs is not the same as attacking the person, or that atheists doing the former are accused of being just as bad as Christians doing the latter when it comes to public messages. I challenge you to find me A SINGLE ATHEIST BILLBOARD which calls Christians traitors, or murderers, or threatens them with everlasting torture. Each and every one of these has been directed at atheists by Christian billboards, and to claim that there's 'no difference' between this and telling someone that they believe a myth is ludicrous.

Cassandra Estes
Cassandra Estes

Liking your comment of "Your idea of history is idealistic and noble... But not reality!"

Cassandra Estes
Cassandra Estes

blah, blah, blah... the biggest representation are unbelievers and atheists. They are protected by every work place nationwide, while those who believe are muzzled with invisible tape.

Pumpuy2010
Pumpuy2010

I was a firm believer in Neptune until I saw this. 

Anon
Anon

You have a point.  I don't see public schools teaching: phrenology, astrology, etc.

Anon
Anon

Or it could be insulting to people who believe in Santa Claus.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Fish... Its further proof that Atheist zealotry has reached the level of Religious zealotry... 

Take a look at the ferver with which they argue.  You're either with them or against them. Sounds familiar huh? 

909Jeff
909Jeff

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Jerry Brown has signed a bill making California the first state in the nation to add lessons about gays and lesbians to social studies classes in public schools.The new law, SB48, requires the California Board of Education and local school districts to adopt textbooks and other teaching materials that cover the contributions and roles of sexual minorities, as soon as the 2013-2014 school year.Your idea of history is idealistic and noble... But not reality!

JuanTuTree
JuanTuTree

It is not "gay" history, "black" history, "women's" history.  It is all HISTORY: The record of past events and times,especially in connection with the human race.

JuanTuTree
JuanTuTree

“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” ― Thomas Jefferson

909Jeff
909Jeff

Mmm Mmm Mmm... What is it they say about a woman scorned? 

Nevermind he BELIEVES that hell doesn't exist... 

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

It's "menstrual" you jerk...learn to spell a word before using it as an insult! And it's SO classy to say a man who doesn't agree with you is acting like a woman...and using the "c" word to boot. Way to offend the ladies as well! Good job! Hmm...now tell me WHO is the one "contaminating" society, again?

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

I have a right to believe or not believe whatever I choose even if I'm mocked by judgmental pricks like you. So if I believe in any higher power I advocate brainwashing children and blowing people up? That's rich! You missed my point entirely: that this particular group of Atheists is attempting to shame the believers in the same way the religious like to shame the non-believers. I detest people (like you) who go around claiming persons who don't believe exactly what they believe are idiots. There's no difference in a Atheist group telling me I'm a moron for believing in a higher power and a religious organization for telling me I'm foolish if I don't. I don't know if there's a God or not...I'm only certain that I'm not sure. So how am I forcing my "religious" views on anybody?

909Jeff
909Jeff

What the hell are you talking about?  I'm merely responding an idiotic claim that public schools "indoctrinate" children into christanity which is patently not true!

nondescript
nondescript

Yes, teachers are supposed to teach just science in science class, not creationism. Ooo, next they'll be forced to teach chemistry instead of alchemy and astronomy instead of astrology. The tragedy of it!

909Jeff
909Jeff

indoctrinating children... Are you effing serious?  Our children are being indoctrinated by one side, the loony left!  Teachers in public schools can no longer teach creationism only evolution and now in CA they have to teach Gay History... Yeah the christian agenda is making a real impact in the public classroom.. Pull your head out of your ass and get real! 

909Jeff
909Jeff

Well Jeff at least you can say that Chris at least is clear on where he stands unlike the wishy washy atheist priest Bruce Gleason... 

Reverendworm
Reverendworm

That's not exactly true. There are literally millions of people who have lost faith and feel as if THEY are somehow bad. This billboard is really designed for them... Encouraging them to not hide or be ashamed.

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

See, there ya go. The real reason you call yourself an atheist is so your can use nasty words because you can't come up with a real reason. You make my case. God Bless ya.

Guest
Guest

Religion is fantasy based on nothing.  Religion is defined as The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or god.  Understanding the world from an atheistic view means that you have a complete lack of belief in any God, therefore it's not a religion.  We deal in facts and reality...theists deal in nonsense and mysticism....

Chris Bellin
Chris Bellin

May I field this one?  Jeff, with all DUE respect, eat a dick.  No one cares what you or other theists think.  Everytime religion has tried to oppose reason, it has lost, except among the degenerates know as christians that contaminate society.  There, thats malacious, see the difference u menstral cunt?

Guest
Guest

the billboard is just insulting religious believers, and nothing else.

Guest
Guest

What is the point of spreading Atheism ? It sounds like you are condemning religious believers and at the same time doing what they do, recruit more followers. It sounds like Atheists are in the religion of spreading non-religious beliefs. The billboard is meant to antagonize religious believers. How can this "convince" them to be recruited into the religion of Atheism ? All the Atheists that I know are angry, nasty and mean people who are bent on antagonizing those who have religious beliefs. What a great way to recruit them to their following !

Jeff Gallagher
Jeff Gallagher

So what? Now you're all gonna come out of the closet just becauae some rich non-believer put up a billboard?

Sieben Stern
Sieben Stern

a billboard is zealotry - that's funny.  What I see as real, unwatered down zealotry is demanding your religious views in the public classroom, indoctrinating children, taking over the military, and blowing up stuff all for your floaty man.  

All this billboard does is tell you, who is naked, that you have no clothes on.  there is no way to say it nicely, or in a way that you wouldn't be offended.  so just get dressed!  XD

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

It DOES seem ironic...such zealotry from an organization that claims to be non-religious! There really IS no difference between a theist who looks down upon non-believers and an atheist who regards the religious as foolish.

I personally think we're all talking (or not talking) to the same person up there, anyway...but if the room at the top of the tower is empty, I'm content with just being dead after I die. :-)

Suestorm4565
Suestorm4565

Atheists have been always been underrepresented in society, mostly because of fear of discrimination or harm by theists. It is great as an atheist to see public awareness increased on this topic, more news on it and discussion of it by more and more prominent people in society. Whatever Bruce's personal goals are, I don't know.  There are certainly some atheists who just want to antagonize religious people. For me, it is just nice to see my beliefs and truths made public, hopefully to encourage nonbelievers to stand up for the truth and grow the numbers of people who are tired of seeing mythology and fairy tales run the world. What would be a way for Bruce and his group to spread their message of atheism that you would find non-malicious?

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