Rick and Kay Warren Bitch-Slap Prominent Christian Commentator about AIDS

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Warren: Bustin' out his righteous pimp hand?
It's rare that we ever offer kind words about Saddleback Church's Rick Warren--scratch that, I do believe this is the first time EVER we'll ever offer kind words about Purpose-Driven® Rick. But we praise the good 'round here, and that's exactly what Warren and his wife, Kay, have done in taking on the lunatics over at the American Family Association, that infamous group of haters created by arch-moral Know Nothing James Dobson.

The topic? A pet cause of the Warrens: AIDS.

The Warrens have been fighting the scourge of AIDS--specifically in Africa--for years now, stressing abstinence above condom use, as if that's somehow a plausible strategy in this carnal world. But one thing they've never blamed AIDS on is gay men, Christianity's ultimate bogeyman and the particular obsession of Bryan Fischer, some douchebag associated with the AFA. Last month on his Focal Point radio program Fischer interviewed Peter Duesberg, one of the main pushers of the ridiculous theory that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that "lifestyle choices" does (read: homos bring it on themselves because all they do is fuck and take drugs).

Fischer, the God's-children hater that he is ("While the average heterosexual has somewhere between seven to 14 sexual partners in a lifetime, it is not uncommon for homosexuals to have hundreds, even thousands, of sexual partners," he wrote), endorsed Duesberg's view and told the AFA's audience of millions of sheep as such. But according to the Christian Post, the Warrens didn't even know of Fischer's endorsement until Kay did a simple Google search. Ever since then, however, they've launched a full-frontal assault against Duesberg but especially Fischer.

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Fischer: Wonder if he has the same sweater maker as Paul Crouch...
"Why [Fischer] would believe this one man over [99 percent of scientists who say HIV and HIV alone causes AIDS] I can't even begin to speculate," she told the Post. "Since there are enough Americans who still believe that 30 plus years later, to have someone espouse this kind of a misinformation is frightening to me." Kay and Rick also released a statement calling the views of Duesberg (and, by association, Fischer) "deadly" and that, "To imply the disease is caused by anything besides HIV is quack science, like claiming the earth is flat, or the moon is made of cheese."

Per the Post:

People that promote "this whole idea that it is all about promiscuity or that it's all about homosexuality or all about drug use, really don't understand how HIV is transmitted," she stressed.  "Jesus didn't ever take the bait [from Pharisees] to try to pin somebody's actions on why they were sick. He just said, 'How can I help?' You will never find in the New Testament where Jesus said, 'What did you do? Did you sin here or were you sinned against?' He just said, 'What do you need? How can I help you? Do you want to be well?'"

Fischer--who claims gay men still use poppers, which combined with anal sex leave them at higher risk of contracting AIDS--isn't backing down and is ratcheting up the attacks against the Warrens. "It's worthy of note that Pastor Warren has been duped by another supposed scientific consensus, the one on the human causation of global warming," he wrote on his blog yesterday. "Warren was wrong on the global warming scam, and he is wrong on the AIDS scam."

Again: never thought we'd reach this point, but KEEP YOUR PIMP HAND STRONG, SLICK RICK.


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mitch young
mitch young

While Deusenberg might be wrong about the HIV virus, he is right on the epidemiology. Here in the first world, HIV/AIDS is mainly a disease of homosexual men and/or IV drug abusers.===Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States, and MSM with a history of injection drug use (MSM-IDU) accounted for an additional 4% of new infections. At the end of 2006, more than half (53%) of all people living with HIV in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU. Since the beginning of the US epidemic, MSM have consistently represented the largest percentage of persons diagnosed with AIDS and persons with an AIDS diagnosis who have died.====http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/... the "MSM' thing is used by the CDC because the majority of black and brown people in the US aren't down with the hype that 'gayness' is an immutable and inborn identity. The brothahs and carnales just, you know, like screwing other men once in a while.

Lisa
Lisa

Pastor Warren - and especially Kay do a lot to increase the growing problem of HIV especially in Africa. However as a member of Saddleback the transmission of HIV/AIDS is not a topic they will address properly. They send BIBLES rather than condoms. Abstinence is always a food thing to teach but Saddleback needs to be honest and stop pretending that sending bibles is the way to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS

ScoobySnacks
ScoobySnacks

Man Gustavo is the just HATES people who have faith its amazing

909Jeff
909Jeff

"the average heterosexual has somewhere between seven to 14 sexual partners in a lifetime"All of a sudden I feel like a great Swordsman! 

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

Good for Rick, but he seems to choose which science works for him, or Jesus.  Ya know, Rick still preaches a belief in the Flintstones. 

Bill T.
Bill T.

I believe you to be correct enough on the epidemiology but I get the impression that the haters of the religous right (in my view they are) blame the incidence on their homosexuality not their behavior. I don't have a good source to cite but I've seen evidence that gay men are not IN GENERAL any more promiscuous than the population as a whole, as usual the actions of a sub-group are presented as representing the behavior of all.

Jack Grimshaw
Jack Grimshaw

Congratulations, pal - I have NEVER seen the English/American language lacerated so spectacularly in just 12 words. You give a new meaning to The Dirty Dozen ...

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

Is that really all you took away from reading the above article? If someone dishes out some well-deserved criticism of a particular faith-based organization it does not automatically make that person a hater of the religious. That "red herring" of criticism=hatred has really begun to stink! Throw it out, already!

Duke
Duke

Your sister agrees ...

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

::whispering::

me too...but I'm not quite sure the term "swordsman" is apropos in my case... ;-)

Bill T.
Bill T.

I'm unimpressed, even though an honest attempt, it's not even in the running for MIPOTY, mediocre on all counts.

909Jeff
909Jeff

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Get it everyone because my name is 909 Jeff... Insinuating that 909ers are inbred hilbillies!  

Except back then I was living in Irvine... and Tustin... So YOUR sister, or for that matter YOUR mom may be one of the notches on my bedpost

909Jeff
909Jeff

Hey... She was at the quiet woman and a GILF that was DTF! 

And I got mine! 

Duke
Duke

It was actually my grandmother. She said she'd seen bigger acorns than what you were sporting ... 

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