Did Itzcoatl Ocampo Allegedly Become a Serial Killer Because He's a Marine, a Mexican, or an Aztec?

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Itzcoatl Ocampo, the 23-year-old Yorba Linda man arrested for allegedly being the serial killer who targeted homeless men in Orange County over the past month, is scheduled to appear Tuesday in Orange County Superior Court to face charges, but he's already the poster boy for three groups of people that have populated the comments section of local newspapers and media websites. Each attribute his pathology to a specific Ocampo personal trait without knowing jack shit about his mental makeup.

One group blames Ocampo's psychosis on him having served in Iraq with the Marines, a point bolstered by Ocampo's own relatives.

In this good Los Angeles Times profile, an uncle claims Ocampo claimed to see and hear things after returning from his Iraq tour. The statement has been immediately seized by many commenters, whom without knowing anything about Ocampo's life insist that his service turned Ocampo into a disturbed serial killer, and that more such cases will inevitably emerge--never mind that hundreds of thousands of armed forces members have returned from both Iraq and Afghanistan without having been transformed into serial killers.

The story also notes that Ocampo was born in Mexico, a point that Know Nothings have already seized and will only grow once it's determined if he entered this country legally or illegally. Since he was born in Mexico and Mexican immigrants--whether legal or illegal--are inherently crime-ridden, goes the logic, it follows that Ocampo killed because he wasn't born in this country.

Given our nation's current xenophobia toward anything brown and general fatigue with the Iraq War, that the above two camps have emerged isn't surprising. But the most bizarre conspiracy regarding Ocampo's motivations springs from his first name: Itzcoatl, a Nahuatl name meaning "obsidian serpent" that was the name of an Aztec emperor. White supremacists have already hopped on the following ludicrous conspiracy--that the name is what motivated Ocampo to commit his crimes, that the power of the bloodthirsty Aztecs reverberated across centuries to motivate the sick individual to target White men.

That's the opinion held by our own precious racialist, Costa Mesa pendejo Martin H. Millard. "We wonder if 'Itzcoatl' is this guy's real given name or if he's a Brown racist who took that name as some Brown racists do," he wrote over at the collection of digital dung known as the CM Press. You know, because anyone with a Nahuatl name is automatically capable of savagery--you know, because of the whole Aztec thing.

The details will ultimately emerge about Ocampo's reasoning for committing the murders (if he is in fact the serial killer, of which Anaheim police who arrested Ocampo on Friday are confident). Until then, one can only sit back and laugh at the above rationales--and cringe at how these people actually live among us.


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npen
npen

I read Itzcoatl Ocampo only killed white people. Why wasn't he charged with hate crimes?

npen
npen

I read Itzcoatl Ocampo only killed white people. Why wasn't he charged with hate crimes?

Dcozart1981
Dcozart1981

Ocampo never saw any action in iraq, stop blaming his mentallity on war.  trust me i know, i was with him over there!

Navytruthsayer
Navytruthsayer

I have a brother who is currently in prison for trying to stab someone while on parole for a robbery due to his addiction to drugs. Prior to that he serve in the military in Iraq and became more loco that before he left. Before he went in the military he was raped by his two brothers as a child of 5 till ten and was molested by a baby sitter and had learning disabilities.All I can say for this Ocampo is that he may have had some sick family problems with the possibility of having mental illness and going into the military exacerbated the problems.Like my brother he is sick in the head and must serve time for his crimes.Yes it is too bad they do not do an mental evaluation of potential military men/women but then again they do not offer such services to all children from K-12 so that way we could see if they need assistance whether it be learning / assistance with coping with rotten parents or environment.

SSHENG
SSHENG

If I EVER become a serial killer I want the headlines to say... Samuel Hengnandez, Former US Marine Sargeant, former graduate of Marauder High School, former employee of McDonald's, former boyfriend of Jessica Alba, former HS chess club president, and former Marlboro menthole smoke, was arrested for stabbing to death 6 rich Beverly Hills, american born African Men to death. His weapon was a Japanese Ninja sword naught at a pawn shop.

SSHENG
SSHENG

Yep everyone in the Marines is a trained serial killer, every Hispanic person jumped a fence into America, and the Aztec Gods are VERY mad at old homeless men that can't get a job. It make a lot of sense, just like 1+1= 4.

909Jeff
909Jeff

After one week and 180 posts whats the consensus?  I say Aztec..

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Another U$ Military created psychopath ...

.... Support the Troops! ... Stay the Course !! ... Mission Accomplished !!!

Hali Equality Cespedes-Chorin
Hali Equality Cespedes-Chorin

//-never mind that hundreds of thousands of armed forces members have returned from both Iraq and Afghanistan without having been transformed into serial killers.//

Tsk! A surprising and disappointing slip in logic.  

I'm pretty sure you know better than that.

You owe me money!
You owe me money!

Nobody gives a crap where he's from or if he likes to experiment with gay sex!  The guy murdered 4 people!  Can we just execute him and move on?  Jeez people get it together!

ALEX2JR2OO4
ALEX2JR2OO4

He became a killer cause hes a Big Bad USA killing Machine. 

Alex2jr2004
Alex2jr2004

 He a e came a killer cause he a Big bad USA killing Machine.

UDC Tech
UDC Tech

this fucker killed john the bum he was the greatest homeless man in the world I hope he gets knifed in prison especially when the OC Brotherhood get a hold of him John Berry was a legend of orange county and now this beaner will die for this 

Currahee
Currahee

The VA has trauma recovery programs specifically for Iraq and Afghanistan War vets.  For any number of reasons, some returning vets do no go to the VA.  Yes, a good percentage of combat vets do have PTSD and are unable to cope with a civilian world upon their return.  Veterans should approach the VA and get informed as to how they can be helped.

Chris O
Chris O

He's 23, which is the around the peak of when mental disorders such as schizophrenia start.  Certainly some trauma from the war could induce such behaviors.  Regardless, this guy is not a victim like the author is trying to make us feel.  He brutally murdered innocent people with a knife.  Be thankful you weren't one of those victims.

Tomfrazier2
Tomfrazier2

All these efers that come back nuts left nuts. Do any of you think the incidence of PTSD has skyrocketed because these recent wars are more savage than WWII? Or do any of you think we have raised a generation of pussies by having counselors at the schools because the victim did not make the cheer leader squad? Or do any of you think that $2700.00 a month,medical care,schooling,and the publics sympathy and UNDERSTANDING make PTSD seem like a pretty good deal?

Marcos
Marcos

oh Richard Rameriz was born in the U.S so was him being Mexican an issue?, it was not, so why is Ocampo's case any different. 

Marcos
Marcos

JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE MEXICAN, DOES NOT MEAN YOU WERE BORN IN MEXICO. I WAS BORN IN ANAHIEM ,CA AND IM CHICANO, ARE CHICANOS REALLY ONLY AMERICANS OR ARE THEY MEXICAN AMERICAN? PEOPLE GET THIS VERY CONFUSING WHEN THEY SPEAK OF AMERICANS OF MEXICAN DESCENT, THEY ARE JUST AS MEXICAN AS OF THOSE OF PRIOR GENERATIONS OF MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS. 

mike
mike

why does this story need to be politicized? he's a psycho killer. period.

mike
mike

why does this story need to be politicized? he's a psycho killer, period.

DRight
DRight

The media isn't discussing this individual, so my assumption is their is more to the story, but it doesn't bode well for the present media dialogue.  The guy is a Mexican, possibly illegal, with mental problems derived from something not yet determined.  I won't say it was combat in Iraq or Afghanistan, unless Ocampo was involved in some sort of atrocities that we are not aware of.  Having worked with the military in the area of post traumatic stress, I found that unless a soldier is able to process his trauma it will not get better.  But if they are not open to help, there is little anyone can do.  You can not force good mental health.  Now that Ocampo has crossed the line, I hope that his actions won't be excused or blamed on something other than his own actions.  Accountability is part of the healing process, even for violent felons.    

Mlvan
Mlvan

He was an Aztec, he went to Esperanza High School.  He was also kicked out of the USMC...

anon
anon

Ive been contemplating the topic quite allot and I feel since in an article I read, they wrote about how in the past he didnt take his parents divorce well, Itzcoatl was honorably discharged but began to feel alone depressed and returned a whole different cold quite person. After the first man was murdered, Itzcoatl went to his homeless father "warning" him there was a serial killer..by this in a weird way he might had wanted his dad to get off the streets and wanted to bring his family back together.(Perhaps hoping to feel less lonely? I dont know) Meaning his father would return to live with them again. From what I've read the Ocampos had their share of family and economic problems but were really close and the father and sons saw each other everyday. By killing the four homeless men (asuming he did, of course) he might have done it almost to push his father to make a bigger effort to get off the streets. In a really demented way..There's just soooo many ways you can view this story and there's so many questions and possible reasons that caused him to do such a horrible thing. I feel terrible cause I'm almost certain becoming a marine changed him and the person who killed the innocent four men, wasn't Itzcoatl it was someone else... he wasn't in control of his mind by then anymore. What he did was wrong theres no doubt about it, but Id hate to see this helpless young man get the death penalty. He needed help and he didn't recieve it. But I guess that's the price these kind people pay for risking their lives for us at war. My heart goes out to Itzcoatl, the four men who lost their lives, and everyone who serves and has served our country.

anon
anon

Ive been contemplating the topic quite allot and I feel since in an article I read, they wrote about how in the past he didnt take his parents divorce well, Itzcoatl was honorably discharged but began to feel alone depressed and returned a whole different cold quite person. After the first man was murdered, Itzcoatl went to his homeless father "warning" him there was a serial killer..by this in a weird way he might had wanted his dad to get off the streets and wanted to bring his family back together.(Perhaps hoping to feel less lonely? I dont know) Meaning his father would return to live with them again. From what I've read the Ocampos had their share of family and economic problems but were really close and the father and sons saw each other everyday. By killing the four homeless men (asuming he did, of course) he might have done it almost to push his father to make a bigger effort to get off the streets. In a really demented way..There's just soooo many ways you can view this story and there's so many questions and possible reasons that caused him to do such a horrible thing. I feel terrible cause I'm almost certain becoming a marine changed him and the person who killed the innocent four men, wasn't Itzcoatl it was someone else... he wasn't in control of his mind by then anymore. What he did was wrong theres no doubt about it, but Id hate to see this helpless young man get the death penalty. He needed help and he didn't recieve it. But I guess that's the price these kind people pay for risking their lives for us at war. My heart goes out to Itzcoatl, the four men who lost their lives, and everyone who serves and has served our country.

Erik  Yakstas
Erik Yakstas

Knowing him personally, He was not racist, He was an honorable man who my father considered a son. Being that i'm white, And my father is white, I don't see why he didn't kill either of us if he was a racist. It makes me angry to see xenophobes labeling people just because they aren't from the same place as they are. People are fucking people.

Robyyo
Robyyo

I don't believe a Mexican could have committed these crimes. These guys weren't robbed before they were killed. HAHAHAHAHA! Lighten up.

deport
deport

trick question.

it's because he's a fuckin spic.

Rebeccalovesjuan
Rebeccalovesjuan

so i guess because i am german born and lived there most of my life that makes me a nazi racist who wants all the jews dead all my kids are mixed race one black and 4 mexican so what does that make them brown people who want to kill jews come on people get real PTSD hurts alot i should know my brother in law is in the army and has it come on get with the big picture and stop blaming it on race

Military Brat
Military Brat

Call me crazy, but a man kills human beings and we have to look for useless reasons/justifications... he is mexican, he is a former mariner returning from war, his name maybe aztec origin.  This man maybe all this and more but what we should look for is what went wrong inside of him and can it be fixed and is he irrepairable and should spend the rest of his days in jail.  My concern is how many individuals (men & women) who are like him hidden in the crowd that need help and may not get the help they need before they hurt/kill someone. Can we help them before it happens again.

Pumpuy2010
Pumpuy2010

Sometimes people just snap. PTSD, ADD, ADHD, are thrown around too much. I don't think it had anything to do with the war. It could have been a mix of everything in his life. One thing I learned years ago was the only difference between suicide and homicide is the  direction you point the anger. Many people that have stressful lives deal with it in their own way. Most don't know how to deal with it at all.

As I spoke to a young man the other day (while he was drinking heavily) he told me that he could not talk about his problems as he felt 1) it was the pussy way out 2) nobody would listen 3) nobody would care 4) people would laugh. He kept quiet while sober. 

The signs are always there. People just have to recognize them and get the person some help. People have to stop being afraid to help and thinking that since he was a "man" a "marine" and "hispanic" that he can handle it on his own. There are ways into a persons mind and thought process. People that are with him daily, would know him best. They just have to stop being in denial and afraid.

People, be a friend and not afraid. Maybe this and many other tragedies could have been averted. 

Pumpuy2010
Pumpuy2010

Sometimes people just snap. PTSD, ADD, ADHD, are thrown around too much. I don't think it had anything to do with the war. It could have been a mix of everything in his life. One thing I learned years ago was the only difference between suicide and homicide is the  direction you point the anger. Many people that have stressful lives deal with it in their own way. Most don't know how to deal with it at all.

As I spoke to a young man the other day (while he was drinking heavily) he told me that he could not talk about his problems as he felt 1) it was the pussy way out 2) nobody would listen 3) nobody would care 4) people would laugh. He kept quiet while sober. 

The signs are always there. People just have to recognize them and get the person some help. People have to stop being afraid to help and thinking that since he was a "man" a "marine" and "hispanic" that he can handle it on his own. There are ways into a persons mind and thought process. People that are with him daily, would know him best. They just have to stop being in denial and afraid.

People, be a friend and not afraid. Maybe this and many other tragedies could have been averted. 

JChrist
JChrist

None of the above. He obviously has mental illness. Way to sensationalize a story.

linda
linda

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JACK
JACK

I predicted things like this would happen before the Middle East Wars end.  I think of these soldiers as trained to hate and kill like a dangerous dogs.  If you ask a high ranking military official if it is wise to end all wars or reduce military spending, he is likely to increase spending, because that is the only life he understands.  It would take time to reprogram soldiers after a military life of destruction.  I hope it is not too late for others.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Yeshua, Maria, and Yusef, this comments section really is a dog's breakfast.  My sympathies.

I think that we posted around the same time; if you don't mind my touting it, my take on the same topic is here: http://www.orangejuiceblog.com....  (I include the link because I think that you said you don't read our site.)

You miss one big contributing factor to someone like this snapping: economic straits.  But none of these factors would likely have been enough; each (except ethnicity, which is just stupid to cite) was like its own little game of Russian Roulette, and when the training (and maybe PTSD) lined up with any pre-existing psychological problems and with the stress of economic disaster, you get something like this.  The odds were very large against it for any individual, but they were also probably in favor that something like this was going to happen somewhere.  It's our misfortune that it happened to be here.

Is there a lesson here?  Sure: provide better psychological monitoring for combat vets, do a better job of keeping as many people as possible out of the most shame-inducing poverty -- and stay out of foreign wars, when possible, so we don't create so many haunted combat vets to begin with.  For the last decade, we've been doing a lousy job of all three.

AntLuna
AntLuna

@Dcozart1981 So who are you? Use your real name, then I'll tell you if you saw any action while deployed. Idiot!

Mary Jane Doe
Mary Jane Doe

Just posted same basic thing. Didn't see your post. I guess great minds think alike.

Jfernandex1
Jfernandex1

Actually, the two have more in common than you suppose. Look it up. 

Jfernandex1
Jfernandex1

We don't know if he was ever 'honorably discharged.'

Care to post a link? 

mitch young
mitch young

Easier to kill white homeless men.

You'll learn, young Erik. The brainwashing will eventually wear off. Maybe you won't get into the university of your choice, or you'll be aced out of a job via 'affirmative action' or a Mexican ethnic network. You see, Erik, nobody but white people believes 'people are people'. Just about every single  member of other races/ethnicities are out for their own group.

deport
deport

"oh and i'm a white bitch who luvs a beaner named 'juan'.  do i get points for that?"

deport
deport

haha. epic name-dropping champion!

"my kids are black and mexican and my bother is in the army and has PTSD!  please, love me, gustabo!"

Mary Jane Doe
Mary Jane Doe

The timing is about right (age 23 years) for Schizophrenia to fully develop.  A hallmark of Schizophrenia is hallucinations. His dad said that he was saying things recently that didn't make sense.

My sincere sympathies to the victims and their families and friends.

mitch young
mitch young

" (except ethnicity, which is just stupid to cite) "Why? If a white kid, however crazy, killed four jornaleros, ethnicity-'xenophobia' would be foremost among the reasons offered by the 'progressive' and liberal press.

This isn't even speculation -- remember when Giffords was shot, for a long time, long after it was apparent the perp was totallly, batshit  insane, there  was speculation the shooting took place because Giffords is Jewish.

mitch young
mitch young

Paul Paul Paul

You poor, brainwashed white kid.

Paul Duncan
Paul Duncan

Really we are going to continue along the line of this was a hate crime against white people? Lets think about this, if you were going to send a message of hate against a race are you really going to kill homeless people from that race? Obviously he had a target population and a some sort of fucked up reasoning but for some reason I am just not getting the message of look out whitey!

After reading through quite a few of these comments on here it looks like not only is the race slant fueled by the white supremist view but I have seen quite a few comments that to me, I could be wrong, sound to have justified why he would have sought out white people. (again pure speculation with no factual backing at this time). I am not saying not to acknowledge racial privalage and oppression, but I am saying that it is no justification for hate and violence towards a group of people, becuase that just continues the vicious circle of hate.

If you are displeased at your lot in life don't look toward your neighbor. People with power are able to stay in power by getting you to fear outher groups. They can give you less freedoms and it keeps you concentrated on something other than what they are doing. They can do things that they shouldn't be doing and screw you over as long as they are protecting you from that oh so feared group, i.e. ,illegal immigrants, Iran, etc..

My gut feeling whenever I see a story where something like this happens is what a messed up evil person. Yet at the same time I feel bad for the person because obviously something went wrong in this persons life, is this justification for murder hell no. It is sad to see that he took it out on his brothers people that had faced adversity in life. 

Paul Duncan
Paul Duncan

Really we are going to continue along the line of this was a hate crime against white people? Lets think about this, if you were going to send a message of hate against a race are you really going to kill homeless people from that race? Obviously he had a target population and a some sort of fucked up reasoning but for some reason I am just not getting the message of look out whitey!

After reading through quite a few of these comments on here it looks like not only is the race slant fueled by the white supremist view but I have seen quite a few comments that to me, I could be wrong, sound to have justified why he would have sought out white people. (again pure speculation with no factual backing at this time). I am not saying not to acknowledge racial privalage and oppression, but I am saying that it is no justification for hate and violence towards a group of people, becuase that just continues the vicious circle of hate.

If you are displeased at your lot in life don't look toward your neighbor. People with power are able to stay in power by getting you to fear outher groups. They can give you less freedoms and it keeps you concentrated on something other than what they are doing. They can do things that they shouldn't be doing and screw you over as long as they are protecting you from that oh so feared group, i.e. ,illegal immigrants, Iran, etc..

My gut feeling whenever I see a story where something like this happens is what a messed up evil person. Yet at the same time I feel bad for the person because obviously something went wrong in this persons life, is this justification for murder hell no. It is sad to see that he took it out on his brothers people that had faced adversity in life. 

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