Supporters of Ergun Kirlikovali, Idiot Armenian Genocide-Denier, Threaten to Protest Outside Weekly Offices!

By Gustavo Arellano Tue., Jan. 31 2012 at 3:00 PM

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You can write all sorts of damning things against individuals, yet it's the most innocuous words that hurt. I'll never forget last year, when I got a call from none other than Mark Weber, the head of the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review, all upset that I called him a "cockroach" in a post. I talked him down by pointing out that, like those insects, his kind had to hide from the public, a point he didn't dispute but then blamed on the Jews--kidding.

(About the Jews part, at least. I think)

Something must be in the water that denialists drink, because now the genocide deniers all bent out of shape are supporters of Ergun Kirlikovali, current president of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations and the idiot who insists the Armenian genocide never happened.

Any sane person would agree anyone who willfully denies the Armenian genocide is an idiot--but it's that simple insight that has me in hot water with Kirlikovali's fans.

Last Thursday, our receptionist told me that someone called threatening to occupy the Weekly's offices unless I met with them--something about me insulting their leader. It finally dawned on me that they were referring to this post, where I noted Kirlikovali was an idiot, mostly for having the ATAA whine that genocides should only be deemed as such by historians...then claiming France committed genocide against Algerians.

Yesterday, Taylor found the angry message--roll the tape!

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Yes, angry man: Kirlikovali is an idiot. If you think the Armenian genocide didn't happen, then you're an idiot, too. So is anyone who denies it. Idiot. Idiot. Idiot.

Feel free to protest outside our offices--just make sure to bring the raki and iskender kabob, as you might as well make yourself useful for something.

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As an American of Turkish and Jewish heritage, I can attest that the Turkish diplomats actively SAVED the Jews during the Holocaust - pulling Jews OFF the of cattle cars destined for the concentration camps. My family members who stayed in Saloniki were given to the Nazis by the Greeks, and all perished in Dachau as a result. In contrast, those in my family who made a new life in Istanbul after WWI survived and prospered as Turks of Jewish heritage. Please check the facts before you make blanket statements that can incite hatred. Here is a good article about how the Jews were saved by the Turkish Government: http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/highlights/turks-saved-jews-nazi/ For more productive discourse on this Turkish and Armenian tragedy, I suggest you join or follow our ''Olive Tree Initiative: Beyond Soundbytes and Stereotypes" group of Turkish, Armenian and American students, alumni and professors at UC Irvine. We spoke to nearly 40 speakers in eight days in Armenia and Turkey to discover the complexities of this issue and are speaking out in panels now (hopefully publishing later). We will expand chapters to whatever community group or university is interested. I look forward to hearing from you. More information at: http://www.olivetreeinitiative.org/
Hahahaha, calling Turks "Tatars" is like calling Black people the "N-word". You genocide peddlers are like the new Ku Klux Klan and are greedy. We know you guys have greedy territorial demands. East Turkey is West Armenia, hahahahahahahahahahaha dream on! If you want those lands so bad, don't be a bunch of scaredycats and bring your guns you racists! You guys are all racists and you know it!
What crimes did we commit? We protected our territorial integrity from your people who wanted to snitch a big chunk of land and create a country which includes 1/2 of land of Turkey, 1/2 of Georgia, 1/2 of Azerbaijan, and small parts of Iran. We didn't do anything wrong. The massacres started on both sides due to the fact that you guys collaborated with imperalist warmongers and you have to surrender no matter what! Open your archives and don't be scaredycats. Because if you open it, your plans will fail!
What contributions? Medicare fraud, credit card fraud, insurance fraud, ID theft, training Shiite Militants to kill US troops, spreading hate, demonizing and satanicizing everything Turkish, owning businesses that double as organized crime centers, driving wrecklessly in Glendale, Fresno and Watertown. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL UR FUNNY.
Actually, those fringe websites represent the GREAT MAJORITY of people in the Greek and Armenian community. You are wrong.
Ease up on the eloquence insults, I don't take cultural advice from someone whose extent of knowledge is the Turkish media and SNL. Armenians cannot be punished for the events of the Genocide of Native Americans anymore than Chinese Americans can. Armenians are not punishing Turkish people, they are demanding reperations from the successor state to the Ottoman Empire, just as Germany pays reparations to Israel. Or...do you think that Germany shouldn't pay Israel anything and pretend that the Holocaust never happened?
Why you blocked out his number? Maybe we would like to talk with him too
The ARF is Marxist, what is your point? It's no different from many independence movements, there is nothing strictly wrong with Marxism, it's an economic doctrine, read the Communist Manifesto, in fact, read A BOOK, it might do you well.
That treaty was not "racist" it gave lands to Armenians in Armenian areas, even your sultans called the area Armenia, every nation has the right to self-determination. All you do is link obscure racist Armenian or Greek sites, which is support by a fringe amount of the people at best, whereas you neglect that both you and your buddy up their start about "snakelike big nosed Armenians who are the cheats of the world" (which is racism). What about Turkish racists, I have seen cunts like MHP supporter threatening to rape and kill Armenian girls as young as 13 online, what do you say about that...of course you'd rationalize that, because a "Muslim Turk cannot be wrong, Ermeni evil"
I love how all your sources are biased and propaganda based. They all seem to come from either Turkish, Azeri or Pro-Turkish sources i.e biased. I dunno what they teach you in Istanbul, but in the rest of the world if we are "debating an historical issue" we use OBJECTIVE, NEUTRAL information and information that is well documented. Also all you can show is "boohoo Azeris died", whereas what of the Armenians in Baku, Kirovabad and Sumgayt? Are you claiming Azeris are innocent now? What about their current treatment of the Talysh and so on? You don't seem to have a source for your "Jews, Arabs, Persians, Tats and Abkhazians" were killed still you and your lover up there seem to spout. You talk about Kurds...who killed Kurds recently, what of the Hatay province, you keep dodging the issue. Your own Sultans called Kurds barbarians...but were more than happy to use them as gendarmes to attack Armenians. You use Kurds when it suits you, and then dispose of them when they aren't needed.
Vardik Efendi, while we are at it and before we say buh-bye, let me ask you another question. You keep talking of "punishing" Turks. Uh, what would you be punishing them for? And what right do you have to punish someone who was not even born in 1915? Should you be punished for the genocide of the Native Americans? Or do you feel that you owe Native Americans "jack shit," as your compadre Guy Fawkes so eloquently put it.
My above post was writtten separated into a half dozen paragraphs easier on the eyes. I don't know why it came out in the format that it did.
Alright, professor, now you're just attempting to evade and obfuscate. You are just going around, repeating yourself. Repetition will not make a whopper of a lie true. You are like that unprepared kid in class. When you present your report, you say a few words about the assigned topic, then go on and on about things you think you might know more about. Of course, the teacher spots your BS instantly and you get an F. Remember the 2008 vice presidential debates. The bimbo, Sarah Palin, flat out said to the moderators : "I'm not going to answer the questions you want. I'm going to talk about what I want to talk about". Well, that didn't turn out too good for her. She became the laughing stock of the nation. So don't try to do a Sarah Palin on us, Mister. Don't try to kid a kidder. We can spot BS from a mile away. It's time you either s... or get off the pot. I think what is really vulgar is to continue to make obscene accusations of genocide, but refusing to take it to court at the same time. You need that piece of paper, fella. You need that judgment of genocide from a competent court. You keep talking of "punishing" the Turks. Get this thru your thick Dashnakian skull : You do not get to punish. Armenian falsifiers do not get to punish. Hack politicians bought by the odious Armenian lobby do not get to punish. That little weasel with the Napoleon complex, Nicolas Sarkozy, does not get to punish. Now pay attention : PUNISHMENT CAN ONLY BE RENDERED BY A COURT, AFTER A TRIAL AND CONVICTION. Underline trial and conviction.Once again, what part of T-A-K-E it to COURT do you not understand? Please, oh, pretty please take it to court. Of course you do not like replying. Like all conniving Armenian scam artists, you just like to spread disinformation and not answer when asked about it. Hit and run is the favorite tactic of the lying, scheming, cunning Armenian freeloaders. Pay attention because the following are your words :"The only reason that the Turks are not yet punished for their crimes is because they are economically strong and the world is governed by $$$."Now, if that were the case, I asked you, why then Turks were not punished when they were an economic nothing, and worse, when they were under complete occupation of England and France. Your reply is more evasion, more obfuscation. Earlier you claimed international law regarding Turkey's closure of the border with the terrorist state of Armenia. i asked you to produce the relevant law. Again, you evade, dodge and obfuscate. You're all hat and no cattle, fella. If you can't back up your allegations, you're just whistlin' Dixie. Or should I say, you're just singing Cucurrucucu Paloma. Sadly, it is not only the brainwashed simpletons here but it is their supposed scholars as well. They use the same hit and run tactics. In 1991, we attended a conference at Yale University. Prof. Richard Hovanissian was asked about the "Aryan Armenians'" collaboration with Hitler. He got all bent out of shape. He huffed, and he puffed, and he walked out of the conference in a hissy fit. Once again, take it to court. Take your fabricated and debunked Musa Dagh story to court. Subject yourselves to cross-examination. If you can't do that, then go tell it to Marko Pasha. Time is the most precious commodity. Don't waste ours and yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXIHgJpmTVY Only non-humans can do such a massacre. And yes the same people did the Khojali massacre and blamed it on Armenians. ALL WHO HAVE TURKISH BLOOD WILL BURN IN HELL!! Allah u Akbar!
How easy it is to deny the truth. But the media doesn't forget and cannot be ignored. At the time when Azeri's started massacring Armenians, all the international papers documented the incidents and it was all over the news. I remember when they showed on TV children thrown in live chimneys, pregnant women raped and stomachs opened and the babies taken as trophies. you call this civilized??? ha! just showing your ancestral reality of barbar-tatars. Google Sumgait massacres and read the media reports. Or check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom God save you from your ignorance.
Armenians have no power? AHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOUR LOBBIES ARE ACTUALLY WAY TOO POWERFUL ON THE OTHER HAND. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD AT TRYING TO CONTROL THE WORLD AND MANIPULATE ALL THE LOBBIES AROUND THE WORLD. YOUR LOBBIES ARE ACTUALLY WAY TOO POWERFUL. IT IS LIKE THE JEWISH LOBBY, ISRAEL CLAIMS TO BE A VICTIM, BUT INFACT THEY ARE THE BIGGEST WARMONGERERS. YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING PRESSURE TO SPREAD 1/2 TRUTHS TO FULLFILL ARMENIA'S WARMONGERING AGENDA IN THE REGION AND ARMENIA IS NOT RICH AND YOU CANNOT BLAME ANYONE ELSE BUT YOURSELVES! ARMENIA IS AN UNDEMOCRATIC BROKE WARMONGERING MACHINE IN THE REGION AND IT IS POOR BECAUSE YOU GUYS SPREAD TOO MUCH HATE AND LIES VIA 99 PERCENT OF YOUR LOBBYIST GROUP MONEY. ACTUALLY THE ARMENIAN LOBBY IS SO POWERFUL, IT IS ACTUALLY TOO DANGEROUSLY POWERFUL TO THE POINT THAT IT CAN INVOLVE STEALING 150 MILLION DOLLARS IN MEDICARE FRAUD AND HOW ARMENIA CLAIMS TO BE THE ALLY OF USA BUT WIKILEAKS DOCUMENTS SHOWED HOW ARMENIA GAVE GUNS TO SHIITE MILITANTS IN IRAQ TO KILL US TROOPS. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA LOOOOOOSEEERS.
If Azeris massacred their own people, then the world thinks that 9-11 is an inside job by the USA government. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT IS HOW PARANOID YOUR LOGIC IS AND I AM NOT GONNA PRACTICE "TURKISH GUILT." WE ARE NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING, YOU GUYS STARTED ATTACKING TURKEY, AZERBAIJAN AND YOU GUYS STARTED ATTACKING GEORGIANS AND WE WILL STOP YOUR WARMONGERING PLOTS TO SNITCH LAND YOU WARMONGERERS. WE WILL KEEP ON FIGHTING YOU HATERS AND BIGOTS TILL YOU GUYS SURRENDER. WE ARE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU AN INCH OF SOIL AND LEAVE NKR YOU BLOODTHRISTY WARMONGERRS.
It's unbelievable how a crime is being replied with such vulgar and moronic way. If you just know 'real' history, then you will know that the Genocide did happen, it has been proven over and over again. Sooner or later Turkey will have to face the truth and pay for it's crime. You are just a brainwashed person who believes the fabricated lies of paid people by the Turkish anti-Genocide budget. But of course you cannot answer the following: A) Why Raphael Lemkin coined the term Genocide after what he read about the Armenians? B) Why the US Ambassador in 1915 called for a stop to the systematic massacre of a nation? C) Why the 40 Days of Musa Dagh was written? D) Why the National Geographic, Time and other magazines in 1915 were writing only about the mass deportations and killing of Armenian women and children. E) Why there are so many documented facts about the Genocide? F) Why 41 countries have accepted the fact of the Armenian Genocide? G) Why no nation accepts the Turkish fabricated lies?? Why Why Why? Go ahead reply with your deniable arguments. I will not listen. Come back when you are historically educated. I don't have to reply to this place anymore because you are simply an ignorant grandson of a criminal.
Go ahead, Vardik, make it up as you go along, why don't you? So Turkey hasn't been punished because it is an economic powerhouse? Is this the latest hokum from the ANCA Armenian playbook? Nuts! What's your excuse, say, for the 1950s? At that time, Turkey was a poverty-stricken country of 20 million. Even simple things like nails for construction had to be imported from abroad. Just about the only commodity Turkey exported was hazel nuts. Turkey was of no economic significance at all. Why weren't they punished then, Mr. Einstein? I'll make it even easier for you. I'll double down. What about 1919? Why weren't they punished then? Country was in shambles, not a single factory left standing, imperialist powers of Britain and France in occupation and complete control. Why were not the Turks punished then, professor? In fact, the Brits gathered 144 Ottoman officials and imprisoned them in Malta, with the intention of prosecuting them. The Brits who were in complete control as victors, searched to the ends of the earth for evidence of genocide, but they could not find it. After 30 months, they released the unjustly held detainees of Malta - no charge, no indictment, no trial. Okay, professor? Go ahead and mosey on to ANCA to see what trumped up answer they come up for this latest, preposterous lie you introduced. Meanwhile, I pose to you and your deceitful and cunning Armenians this question that was asked to Senator Joe McCarthy of the witch hunt fame : "Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you no sense of decency left?"
Of course those dastardly Turks will burn in hell. Since God carries 100% Armenian blood in her veins, of course She would send the Turks to hell. Tell me, is God a member of the Armenian Apostolic Church or is it one of the other Armenian denominations? My friend Pappas Papadoupoulos had told me that God is Greek Orthodox, but since Armenians never lie, I'll take your word over that of Pappas. God must be Armenian. Why else would She have blessed the rest of us with you wonderful Armenians, as Her gift to humanity?
Ah, so you have one of those "my grandma told me stories". Well, goodness gracious! Will wonders never cease? It is an absolutely amazing co-incidence that I, too, have heard of oodles of "my grandma told me stories". The slight difference is, they were Turkish and Kurdish grandmothers who told me all about atrocities committed by the Armenian Dashnak and Hunchak cutthroats. Go figure.
If you have a solid case, why don't you go to a competent court instead of going to vote and money-hungry, ethnic-pandering politician prostitutes? Yeah, we know all about the champion truth-telling Armenian slicks. They produce the Andonian forgeries and Bogus Hitler quotes. These are just two of the biggest lies with which Armenian hocus-pocus dealers have been caught. In a court of law, you would be told : FALSUS IN UNO, FALSUS IN OMNIBUS (false in one case, false in all). In court, your case would be shred to pieces even by a lawyer still wet behind the ears. In cross-examination, his first question would be : Since you lied in that case, what else are you lying about? Your case would be thrown out of court in New York minute. Bring your documents. Bring your archives. Don't forget the hidden archives of Armenia and Dashnak terrorist offices in Massachusetts. But bring them to International court - not to politicians. We know all about the politicians on the payroll of the slick Armenian lobby. You pay them off and they declare, "Good Armenian. Bad Turk". Don't try to kid a kidder, my clever-by-half Armenian friend. If I can promise a politician enough votes and enough money, I can get him to badmouth Mother Teresa. The Armenian genocide is the biggest and most obscene hoax of the 20th century. Over time, it has become a lucrative cottage industry for genocide millionaires like Dadrian, Balakian, Hovanissian, Taner Akcam among many others. To them, you and the rest of the rabid Armenian zealots are just "useful idiots" helping them fill their coffers. Don't waste our time and your time. Take it to court. If not, take it to Marko Pasha. He might tell you to take it to the Marines.
The only reason that the Turks are not yet punished for their crimes is because they are economically strong and the world is governed by $$$. That doesn't mean that the genocide(s) didn't happen. Ask a Greek, Assyrian, Pontic, Armenian and Kurds, they all know the truth. One day justice will prevail over $$$ either in this world or in front of God! but wait, with all their crimes, Turks will not even get a chance to be in heaven...
The difference is that our quotes are proven and documented facts, while yours are fabricated lies with no foundations taken from that notorious Tall site (we have proof that all the posts there are fabricated lies, put by people filled with hatred and with no qualifications at all) Remember; the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DID HAPPEN, it has been proven in courts of law, by historians, politicians and there are millions of archival documents around the world. If Turkey is denying it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Turkish government has a yearly budget dedicated to genocide denial, Armenians don't have such a thing and don't have 1% of the power that the Turks have, yet because it's a fact gradually governments are accepting it putting aside economic pressures from Turkey.
You don't seem to understand; there was a nationwide cleansing of Armenians that started in 1988 and ended with War where you lost Karabagh. If you didn't start the Massacres of women and children then everyone wouldn't been happy. For every crime, there is punishment. Next time be careful who you are killing because the time will come to pay for it, as you did. Then don't blame others. As for the Khojali massacre, it was proven that the political opponent at the time did it and tried to blame Armenians. The world knows about it, try to read a little bit of real news than the fake articles you are reading now.
my dear friends .i don`t have to hear this .i believe my grandmother she told me her life story.how the turks and the kurds they killed every Armenian and Assyrian and Greek they can get hold of.
Incidentally, "rats and snakes" are perfectly appropriate appellations. This is the common terminology used everywhere in the world to describe those who commit treason. Traitors are called rats, snakes and backstabbers because that is what they are. Armenians committed treason en masse. Now do you see why Armenian demand for apology is preposterous on its face? For Pete's sake, whoever heard of apologizing to rats and snakes?
Get your lands back! HAHAHAHAHAHA THOSE WERE NEVER YOURS TO BEGIN WITH! YOU GUYS PLOTTED A MASSIVE LAND GRAB AND FAILED AT IT! JUST LIKE HOW SADDAM THE WARMONGERER TRIED TO PLOT A LAND GRAB IN IRAN BUT GOT HIS ASS KICKED, AND ACCEPTED IT, YOU GUYS NEED TO GET OVER THE FACT THAT YOU LOSTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AND WE WON THE WAR! YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET A CM AND WE WILL DIE AS MARTYRS TO PROTECT THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY AND YOU WILL HAVE TO SURRENDER, WARMONGERING IMPERALISTS!
I never called Armenians rats and snakes. All Greeks and Armenians call Turks "Mongols, Barbarians and Savages. They are the racists and you know it and I have gave many links to your arguments and you could not be able to respond BECAUSE I PWNED YOU. A GUY NAMED AGHOD MARTIK CAUGHT HIMSELF IN LIES SAYING THAT AZERIS GOT KICKED OUT KARABAGH BECAUSE OF "SUPPOSEDLY" ATTACKING PEOPLE IN BAKU. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO ATTACK AND KILL PEOPLE IN BAKU WHEN THEY ARE ALL THE WAY IN NKR. ALSO, THEY WERE NOT SOLDIERS BUT UNARMED CIVILIANS. HAHAHAHAHHA ARMENIAN RACIST WARMONGERERS GET CAUGHT IN THEIR LIES HAHAHAHAHA RACISTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
And, Here are my clips and films to support the Khojaly thesis and PROOF THAT THERE ARE AZERI REFUGEES WHO GOT KICKED OUT OF NKR BY ARMENIAN RACIST WARMONGERING BIGOTS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Proclomations: www.news.az/articles/37688 www.today.az/news/politics/875... armeniapedia.org/index.php?ti... (Even an Armenian website shows proofs who big orgainzations like PACE to urge Khojaly to be recognized as a MASSACRE). www.en.itv.az/news/3725.html http://en.trend.az/news/karaba... (PUIC urging recognition of Khojaly) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R... is a section called “List of Internally displaced persons from Nagorno-Karabakh and the adjacent territories”)http://www.todayszaman.com/new... (Proof Azeris were kicked out by Armenian forces from NKR) HERE ARE MY SOURCES BUDDY, ARE U HAPPY NOW! BTW, THOSE AZERIS DIDN"T TOUCH ANYONE. HOW COULD THEY ATTACK ANY PEOPLE IN BAKU, MARAGHA AND SUMGAYIT IF THEY WERE ALL THE WAY IN NKR? SEE, YOU ARE SAYING THEY ATTACKED PEOPLE IN TERRITORIES THAT THEY DID NOT LIVE IN. WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU CAUGHT YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN LIES, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
If you want to litter the site with copy/paste accounts of atrocities, I can fill the entire site with proof of atrocities committed by Armenian Dashnak and Hunchak goon squads. But been there, done that. Waste of time. I am sure you have sen our friend Holdwater's Tall Armenian Tales site. There is a huge section there documenting the inhuman savagery unleashed by Armenian hoodlums. If you want to label it as genocide, then the Armeno cutthroats committed genocide as well. The difference is the Armenians started it. they fired the first shot. They drew first blood. If you fire a bullet at me, you forfeit your life. I'll fire back. The Armenians started it and in the end they got shellacked, which is justice served. In the interim, innocents died on all sides as innocents die in all conflicts. The shame of it is, many of the treasonous armenian rats who started the whole thing managed to escape by running into Russia-owned Armenia. They escaped justice and lived to work for the Nazis in the ARMENIAN BRIGADE as the Jew-extermination goon squad in German-occupied lands during WWII. Meanwhile, if you wish to assign blame for the suffering of innocents, here is what you should do : Go to the corner deli. Buy a quart-sized bottle of beer. Now drink it. Now go piss on the graves of your murderous Dashnak progenitors.
Just as historical fact: Turks have committed Genocide not only on Armenians, but on every nationality that existed on the land that they stole from: Greeks, Assyrians, Pontic and more.
The following links show the real face of Turks and their human-rights record: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TC9SmofkIg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCZSnmq-qHw&feature=related just to name a few...
I never called any Armenians savages, rats, dogs and snakes, give me a link to back up your false bias bigoted claim. I am not a racist, they are the racists and they want to use the genocide allegations to kill all Turkish people, burn them alive and drink all their blood. They hate all things Turkish, including Akcam, Pamuk, Shafak, Gocek, Altan, Zarakolu, Gunaysu, and even all pro-Hye Tahd sympathetic. I do not believe any word an Armenian supremacist says. I am against fanatical warmongering territorial demanding 1/2 truth telling Genocide Peddling Armenian Racists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTB35kGVUc4 Good clip you make like
I am not denying the fact that unarmed Armenians perished. Like I said, there was no intention for Armenians to die and suffer. They were being relocated due to the fact that Armenian troops vs Turkish troops were getting involved in heavy combat and Armenians got relocated so that they won't get caught in the gunbattles. Some Armenians died via relocation due to the fact that the Ottoman Empire was BANKRUPT and since they were BANKRUPT, the Turkish soldiers could not give any food. I sent you a response about Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cyprus, etc. with links in the middle of the page, where I gave you links to respond to your allegations. Here is a few links to back up my statements: And, Here are my clips and films to support the Khojaly thesis and PROOF THAT THERE ARE AZERI REFUGEES WHO GOT KICKED OUT OF NKR BY ARMENIAN RACIST WARMONGERING BIGOTS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Proclomations: www.news.az/articles/37688 www.today.az/news/politics/875... armeniapedia.org/index.php?ti... (Even an Armenian website shows proofs who big orgainzations like PACE to urge Khojaly to be recognized as a MASSACRE). www.en.itv.az/news/3725.html http://en.trend.az/news/karaba... (PUIC urging recognition of Khojaly) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...(There is a section called “List of Internally displaced persons from Nagorno-Karabakh and the adjacent territories”)http://www.todayszaman.com/new... (Proof Azeris were kicked out by Armenian forces from NKR) HERE ARE MY SOURCES BUDDY, ARE U HAPPY NOW!
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the women and childrfen of the village of Gavours (infidels), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our? troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stones and dust, and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, rape, kidnapping, bullets and bayonets completed the work. You see, God allows Mulims to rape Gavour women, they are not considered human..." M. Bochukoghlu; Memoirs of a Turkish officer, 1915
Yes, I already told you why the Azeri's were displaced: A) Fact: Azeri's committed a crime during 1988-1990 in several cities trying to exterminate Armenians (in Sumgait, Baku, Kirovabad, Maraghar, etc.) B) Fact: They tried to displace the Armenians in Karabagh and kill them on the way. C) Fact: they started the war D) Fact: most of the occupied land was already Armenian. Instead of writing such unfounded comments, why don't you invest your time reading real history for a change??
ARF promoting socialism. They are the ones behind the AYF (Armenian Youth Federation), which brainwashed young kids as little as age 4 with fanatical extremeist nationalism and vicious anti-Turkish racist hatred, which is the reason why I think the AYF is the Armenian Equivalent of the Hitler Youth Movement. Go to all the Armenian forums and see how disgustingly racist these pro-ARF supporters are and you will know what I mean. ARF is behind fanatical nationalism, racism and I will stand by a defend my claim that ARF is the Armenian version of the KKK, period.
While the Armenians are getting their lands back, you should go and read about history. Educate yourself so the years' of brainwashing with fake history will go away...
Okay, first of all, I am not Mongolian, I am Turkish w/ Albanian roots on 1 parents side, Circassian and Georgian on the other parents and I acknowledge the fact that there are MANY Ethnic Groups in Turkey and they should fight to defend Turkey's Territorial Integrity. Btw, there are still Arabic descent people living in Iskenderun (Whether Sunni, Alevi, Christian or Druze) and they are supporting the territorial integrity of Turkey. Same with Hamshen people in Turkey, even they support Turkish territorial integrity. Even Armenian Orthodox Christians in Turkey are supporting Turkish territorial integrity (like Edward Tashji and Artin Penik). Oh yeah and about Cyprus, Turkey invaded the North because Greek Cypriots wanted to get rid of all Turkish Cypriots and we saved Turkish Cypriots from bloodthristy hateful Greek Megali Faschists. Ok yeah look at this link to prove Archbishop Makarios and his racism: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/10/newsid_3037000/3037898.stm. There is a good site showing reputable links about the WHOLE truth about the Armenian issue, what REALLY went wrong in Cyprus and the FACTS about PKK terror: http://www.ataa.org/reference/index.html#trnc Also, you will see pro-Greek Megali Faschists, who claim to be victims, when in reality they scream about threats to deport all people of Turkish descent from Cyprus. (Does "so-called" victims threaten to expel all Turkish people from Cyprus. They lived their before the 50's, Greeks cannot DENY the Turkish-Cypriot rights to live there peacefully and thrive). Here are these racist warmongering Greek megali faschists: http://www.ataa.org/mediaserver/CANAMaddness.html They are claiming that 150.000 people are settlers. How could they be settlers when there has been a Turkish-speaking population for 600 years. The Turkish Cypriots have a right to stay on that island as longggggggg as they like and NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Another hate speech from racist, faschist CANA president Nick Taneris (look up the CANA website ob YT, and you will see this sicko full of hate on his YT website): http://hellenicvanguard.blogspot.com/2010/07/july-20th-2010-protest-turkish-embassy.html Treaty of Sevres, THAT SO CALLED RACIST B/S TREATY IS JUST A RACIST PLOT TO CARVE UP THE BORDERS OF THE TURKISH REPUBLIC. No one agreed to it and if Armenian warmongers want to get that land, they have to fight Turkey and they will lose and cry and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa like babies once again. Armenian warmongerers wanted to steal a huge chunk of land, but they lost and failed and they will keep on crying until the world will forget and no one will give a darn about waaaaaaaaaaaing Armenian crybabies. You guys cannot carve the borders of Turkey and we will fight all imperalist warmongerers until every imperialist warmogering racist Turkophobe surrenders.
You still here? I thought by now you would be on your way to reconquer eastern Turkey for the glorious Hay Tad. Get to it, macho guy, or else the mighty Greeks may come and take it before you. Grab Mt. Ararat first. Then to Van and Sivas and Marash and Antep. Don't stop there. With momentum, you can roll right into Istanbul and take this beloved "Pearl City" of the Byzantine Greeks. Don't worry about legitimacy. Armenians have taken lessons from Machiavelli and are adept at making up lies. You can always claim that 27 million years ago Istanbul was Armenian with 68 zillion Armenian denizens. Therefore it should revert to the possession of today's Armenians. Or at least to a Mosquito Armenian like you. Or was it Mestizo/Toltec/Aztec/Mayan/Inca mixtured Armenian?
Look up Hovhannes Khatchazounis quotes, Hamprasum Boyacians quote, and quotes from Boghos Nubar Pasha (an Armenian Ottoman Officer who condemed Armenian terrorism with his own words). Here are my clips and films to support the Khojaly thesis and PROOF THAT THERE ARE AZERI REFUGEES WHO GOT KICKED OUT OF NKR BY ARMENIAN RACIST WARMONGERING BIGOTS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buga-znppvI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTRKzYMbqI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9QAFRoCb8g Proclomations: www.news.az/articles/37688 www.today.az/news/politics/87534.html armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Khojaly_Massacre (Even an Armenian website shows proofs who big orgainzations like PACE to urge Khojaly to be recognized as a MASSACRE). www.en.itv.az/news/3725.html http://en.trend.az/news/karabakh/1986226.html (PUIC urging recognition of Khojaly) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_and_internally_displaced_persons_in_Azerbaijan (There is a section called “List of Internally displaced persons from Nagorno-Karabakh and the adjacent territories”) http://www.todayszaman.com/news-251453-azeri-refugees-from-karabakh-region-long-for-the-home-they-never-had.html (Proof Azeris were kicked out by Armenian forces from NKR) HERE ARE MY SOURCES BUDDY, ARE U HAPPY NOW!
Lulz, racism like calling an entire ethnicity "rats, dogs, big nosed, terrorists, savage and snakelike". Go cry your tears, you are far more what you accuse the Armenians of, than any one Armenian can ever be. You and your racist buddy above.
"These miserable people...no scruples...psychopaths" Nice bit of racism there, with your partner below supporting it too...and you claim you're not racists. Also, the "nice" Turkish state...we don't talk about Ergenekon, The Grey Wolves and their massacres towards their own citizens right (Bloody Sunday in Taksim Square...anyone? Anyone?) or the murder of Hrant Dink, which Jake probaby masturbates to at night. Also, Sociopathy or Psycopathy is a disorder found only rarely in 1% of most populations, it refers to a marked lack of remorse, empathy, arrogance, superiority and fondness of using aggression as a control mechanism. You are no doctor, don't bandy words to your insolence. If Armenians were psychopaths they wouldn't have families and would all have killed their kids at some point, get a clue. Also the above sounds more like the Turkish leadership : "Turkey is Rich! Ataturk is best! Ermeni is insult to be called! They betray, we kill all for punishment!"...far more sociopathic "Rats and snakes" Odd, that's what Nazis called Jews. "Rabid dogs" Same as used by Hutus in Rwanda.
http://xocali.net/EN/index.html Disproves your Azeri comrades' myths. Meanwhile, you fail to mention Sumgayit, Baku, Kirovabad and Maraghar, where it was seen on international television where Armenians were killed by Turks and attacked. Hell in some areas pregnant Armenian women were killed. All of these happened to CIVILIAN Armenians. Face it boyo, you would deny any atrocity a Turk did to Armenian and even blame the Armenians for it. All the while, while your buddy Jack there faps over any racist name calling of Armenians, you know, the guy you blessed...same guy going on about "hairy, uncivilized, bignosed Armenians" (sounds kinda like a Goebbels speech if you change Armenian to Jew)
The Armenian Revolutionary Federation is now like the KKK lol? Have you even READ their manifesto? They are socialists, the klan is very much pro-capitalism. They believe in Republicanism and equality among all citizens, irrelevent of religion, ethnicity or gender. The ARF is demanding nothing short of Armenia's historic area that belonged to Armenians before the Ottoman Turks "relocated" them (i.e murdered) as agreed upon legally in the Treaty of Sevres. Mustafa Kemal of course was a whiny little boy and couldn't take Armenians having their land back, so he had to start his little wars culminating in the Treaty of Lausanne. Speaking of territorial integrity - I hear your government supports Kosovar independence, if so, what of the territorial integrity of Serbia, or doesn't it matter when applying to your former Orthodox subjects? What about your nation's partition of Northern Cyprus? Seems more like Turks (like their Central Asian ancestors) went on the warparth to conquer and claim lands as opposed to the INDIGENOUS people of Anatolia and the Caucasus. You speak of territorial integrity, if you cared so much, why is the Hatay province in Turkey? If Armenians have no right to Artsax (even though they first democratically and then with guns declared their independence when Azeris started to fire at them), then what right do you have to Hatay? Remind me how you got Hatay please. Oh I remember : n July 5, 1938, the Turkish military went into the Sanjak from Payas and Hassa and expelled most of its Arab and Armenian inhabitants.Before this, Alawi Arabs and Armenians made up the majority of the Sanjak's population.Turkey also crossed tens of thousands of Turks into the Sanjak of Alexandretta.An ethnic voter registration was initiated to determine the repartition of the seats in the sanjak assembly. However, the results seemed to be questionable because it happened for the sole purpose of seat repartition, and Turkish propaganda was very active among Alevis and Circassians, all of whom were considered as Turks by Ankara. Also you mention Alevis, you do realize that they were harshly persecuted under Ottoman times by Turks right? It only changed after Mustafa Kemal came to power, by your nations own accords.
Show me where Armenians massacred Protestants, Jews, Catholics, etc. Last time I checked it was sort of the other way around (Adana Massacre, Hamidian Massacre, Armenian Genocide). Are you now claiming unarmed women and children attacked the Greeks and Assyrians as opposed to your own Turkish and Kudish gendarmes? Show me a proper non-biased source proving this. There have loads of massacres done by Turks, you can't show me factual evidence proving a single one by Armenians save the Azeri wetdream of Xocali (that didn't even happen in Xocali and has pictures taken from the Balkan and Afghan wars)
Btw, what is the point of all these scholars like Akcam, Pamuk, Zarakolu, Altan, Gunaysu, Shafak and Gocek, when you guys are still going to hate, hate, hate, hate and hate. You are all haters and you know it! We will keep on defending our civil rights and PRESENT THE FULL TRUTHS AND YOU WILL NOT GET A CM OF SOIL FROM TURKEY YOU RACISTS! I am educated to know the true facts and I would rather defend my Turkish heritage from vicious slanderous warmongering Greek and Armenian warmongering faschists! Btw, Turkish Christians are an integral part of Turkey and there are many Christian citizens in Turkey who defend Turkey's territorial integrity and fights against Greek and Armenian lies and hate. There are even Turkish-Armenians who are pro Turkey like Artin Penik and Edward Tashji, look them up! The Turkish Republic will stay united, and all religions, Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, Proestant), Muslims (Alevi and Sunnis), Jews and Yezidis will all unite to defend the TR Republics territorial integrity from RACIST WARMONGERING GREEK AND ARMENIAN SUPREMACIST FASCHISTS!
Turkish people come from Tatars, Mongols and Barbarians. HAHAHAHAHA PROVES THAT YOU GUYS ARE RACISTS. Your unfair and incorrect label towards Turks is like calling Blacks "Niggers" and Nazi vilifcation of Jews. You are all racists and warmongers and are no different then David Duke if you ask me. What are the point of all these scholars like Akcam, Pamuk, Gocek, Zarakolu, Altan, Shafak, when you convinced the world to hate the Turkish race. Anti-Turkish racism went up 900% because you want to spread a vicious Al-Qaida like war against everything Turkish and use all those racist "genocide allegations" and racist warmongering territorial demands to massacre Muslims once again. You are warmongerers and you know it. Turkey not admitted into EU? Who cares about the EU, it is another empire that is failed like the Soviet Union and it is FAR from a democracy. It is bankrupt, and it is a failed project. The Turkish Republic is rising, becoming a Mid Eastern Powerhouse like China or Brazil and expected to be the 7th or 8th largest economy in the world. That is why you guys are trying to attack harder and harder. Because you guys are jealous and full of hate. We will keep on fighting you racists till you warmongering bigots BUZZ OFF! Dropping territorial claims and quitting the constant vicious bloodthristy Neo-Nazi KKK-like vilification of each and everything Turkish will be a win-win situation for everyone in the region. Keep on hating and hating and hating and putting more pressure, it will make us way more stronger and stronger and you will keep on squealing and pouting and no one will give a damn about guys anymore! Hahahahaha, I love haters.
So what if some certain lands were Armenian. These warmongering Armenian imperalists are not gonna get a CM of soil and never will. They started massacreing Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Sunnis, Alevis and Yezidis and Anatolia and they tried to pull of a vicious, bloothristy landgrab plot, which was eerily similar to that murderous dictator Saddam Hussein's racist plot to steal land. You are all warmongers and haters and bigots and you hate each and every single thing Turkish you racists! All of you racists!
The word "justice" in Armenian terms does not mean promoting human rights, it is actually a codeword to punish their neighbors as hard as possible for simply protecting their territorial integrity from Armenian terrorists who were hell bent in trying to wipe Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia off the map. When Hitler killed 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, he said, "we served Justice." When Al-Qaida crashed a plane into the twin towers, they said, "we served Justice." That just proves that the so-called "Hye Tahd" is just a plot of warmongering and a plot to spread viciously racist anti-Turkish hate. What crime did we commit, nothing. We were protecting our territory from Armenian terrorists and we relocated Armenians because they were trying to ethnically cleanse Sunnis, Alevis, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and non-Armenians to create a "Greater Armenia" which is no different then "Hitlers Aryan Ethnically Pure Empire." Also, some unarmed Armenians died because of relocation and unfortunately, since the Ottoman Empire was bankrupt, they were not able to afford to give relocated subjects food so that is how Armenians died. But Armenians started stabbing pregnant women with spears and stabbed, tortured, raped and decapitated a lot of Sunnis, Alevis, Catholics, Jews, and Protestants to create this "Greater Armenia" plan. Watch the movie "Sari Gelin" and it will show the truth of Armenian Supremacism and how it still continues today and how innocent minds are being poisioned with viciously and sick, evil anti-Turkish hatred. Even Hitler and Satan would be disgusted with how hateful you guys are if you ask me.
Exactly my friend, at the time being, many world powers are being brainwashed by Armenian terrorists, racists, bigots and hatemongerers, unfortunately speaking. They are hell bent in claiming that all Turks are illiterate barbarian Mongol subhuman savages. Let's see what these savages bring up: International Students from Turkey flocking to the USA studying at top USA universities, ending up contributing to society in a positive way. CEOs like Muhtar Kent From Coca Cola. Dr. Mehmet Oz (yes the same Dr. Oz who gave an Armenian medical advice, yes Kim Kardashian, or should I say Kim Slutdashian). Or what about Ahmet Ertegun, the CEO of Atlantic Records. Or the Ottoman Philosopher dude Piri Reis who pioneered the field, Cartography. Also, they are trying to use the racist film “Midnight Express” as a plot to promote racial discrimination against people of Turkish descent. They are using the genocide war as a really vicious war to not only plot to wipe their Turkish, Azeri and Georgian neighbors of the map. They also want to spread racism and hate and make sure Turkish people suffer discrimination like how the Jews did in Nazi Germany. The way they are vilifying everything Turkish is like how the Nazis vilified Jews and how the KKK vilified Blacks. They will drown in their hate and they will whine whine and whine and blame others for how awfully their country is doing and they will end up being ashamed of their warmongering, hell bent in vilifying everything Turkish behaviors when the time comes, trust me.
My point is that there are peaceful hate-free Armenians and there are territory demanding, warmongering, 1/2 truth telling genocide allegationist racist Armenians who are bent up in vilify everything Turkish and trying to falsely portay Turks as all "Savages" "Pigs" "Barbarians" "Evil" and "Bloodthristy." Proof of anti-Turkish racism today is in films like Midnight Express, which is no different then how Neo Nazis and KKK Members make books that vilify Blacks and Jews, which is kind of like how David Duke did when David Duke wrote all his books.
First of all, there is no problem with Armenians, just Armenian Supremacists, territorial demanding, money demanding, warmongerers who want to not only vilify everything Turkish. Infact their cause is just a plot to control all the lobbies in the world to wipe off all 3 of their neighbors. I am cool with many great Turkish people of Armenian descent such as Edward Tashji and Artin Penik who are Turkish/Armenians which defend their country (Turkey) from Armenian Supremacist Diasporan, genocide allegationist 1/2 truth telling, land demanding, viciously vilifying everything Turkish, racist bigots, who are sort of like the Armenian version of the KKK. If there were more Armenians who would drop their land claims, get out of NKR, stop vilifying everything Turkish, passing many racist anti-Turkish legislations and investing 99% of their powerful rich diasporan money on promoting the economic development and trying to make peace with their neighbors, instead of threating them all the time, then I would have no problem with Armenian people. There are Armenian people out there who want to drop their land claims, who want to stop vilifying each and everything Turkish out there, who want to stop brainwashing people with vicious anti-Turkish racism, and who want to just live in peace with their neighbors. I will support this group of people I just mentioned, and I actually support the right for Armenia to exist. But, unfortunately, most Armenians are brainwashed by ARF (Armenian Ku Klux Klan) propaganda and the ARF is responsible for the corrupt oligarchic government in Armenia and NKR. Even when Armenia and NKR get's shitload of foreign aid, it doesn't go to the people but goes to these repressive oligarchs in Yerevan. The Undemocratic, Authoritarian leaders in Yerevan are pressuring diasporans to control of the lobbies in the world and have the diasporan lobbies manipulate other countries so they can continue threatening to wipe Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia off the map (via Armenia's warmongering territorial claims in Javakh) and tells the diasporans to spread anti-Turkish racism worldwide so people of Turkish descent can suffer racial discrimination like the Jews did in Nazi Germany. The mentality of these land demanding, 1/2 truth telling genocide allegationists who are hell bent in vilifying each and every single thing Turkish is no different then those Nazis who vilifed the Jews and I know I am right and the world will wake up to the truth of Armenian Racism, Warmongering, Terrorism and plots to wipe their neighbors off the map. Turkey has a right to protect it's territorial integrity from Armenian warmongerers period.
My 1st paragraph being igorant. Agression? Can you tell me why are there 500-1 million Azeris who are displaced and have no homes and are still looking forward to go back to NKR? Can you tell me why they cannot go back? Can you answer me? OF COURSE NOT IT IS BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THE AGRESSORS AND HAVE A RACIAL SUPERIORITY COMPLEX AND WANNA WIPE YOUR NEIGHBORS OFF THE MAP AND KILL THEM ALL WITH THE "GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS." How do you liberate and defend territorial integrity by massacring people and expelling Azeris from NKR. What about the non-Armenian refugees who got kicked out by bloodthristy warmongering Armenian forces? What happened to them, huh? Face it you guys fear the Historical Commision and run away because you are scared of the fact that your allegations and disgusting vilifications of each and every thing Turkish will cease to exist and your "cause" will be exposed as Warmongering. I don't believe you guys because after a teacher in my History class in 9th grade back in New Jersey (I live in Colorado now) who stated 1/2 truths, I was picked on and racially discriminated against my classmates. This was even I got make statements before I said anything. Face it, you guys want to wipe Turkey off the map and kill all Turks via 1/2 truths and you want to finish off what you guys failed at (which was to steal land from Turkey) and we will keep on fighting your lies and hatred till you guys surrender. You guys are brainwashing people with hate and even if there are Turkish people who sympathise with your cause, these people will be subjected to racial discrimination because of how you guys are spreading hate and spreading un-true stuff about Turkish people in general. Drop your territorial claims and stop vilifying everything Turkish. Because by having territorial claims, it will cause more bloodshed and death, rather then end all the wars in this world. It will be a win-win situation for Turkey, Armenia, the Mid East and World Peace.
These miserable people are incorrigible. They have absolutely no scruples. They are delusional psychopaths. To them, any vile action or lie is justified as long as it helps achieve their ends. Dr. Robert Johns, an Armenian himself, admonished them not to use the Hitler quote because he found it to be a fake. Yet this does not deter them. They still disseminate the Big Lie. I am astounded at the tolerance and forbearance exercised by the Turkish state. So far, in response to the the despicably hostile actions of Armenia, the only thing Turkey has done is to close the border. I hope this changes soon. Armenian terrorists in the Bekaa Valley, Yerevan and Marseilles should not be allowed to sleep soundly at night. But the border closure is still very important. Do not open it and let the rats and snakes in. Do not make the same mistake a second time.The progenitors of these rats were not content to desert a sinking ship ; those rats actively gnawed at the Ottoman ship to make it sink faster. While the Armenian rats ended up drowning, what was left of the Ottoman ship was rescued by a lifeboat captained by a fellow named Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Today, Ataturk's legacy is a prosperous Turkish Republic growing by leaps and bounds, while the miserable, eternally malcontent Armenians wallow in hatred, self-pity, jealousy and envy. Keep that border closed. As the rabid Armenian dog keeps on barking, the Turkish caravan will keep on rolling along, steady as she goes. There is no reason for "starving Armenians" to be starving. They have an abundance of hatred to eat. Let them make delicious pilaf out of hatred and gorge themselves in it. Bon apetite!
Sophomoric stuff. If you want to engage in evasion, do so without putting words in my mouth. Show me where I even mentioned Jew or German. If you want to dodge my questions, do so and get lost. But don't put words in my mouth. Now we see how the Armenian slicks made up the bogus Hitler quote and the Aram Andonian forgeries. Justice, you say? Justice it is. Justice was done long time ago. Armenian hoodlums, cutthroats and butchers and terrorists fired the first shot. They drew first blood. They murdered Turks, Kurds, Jews, Muslims, Circassians, Tartars, Abkhazians, Arabs, Manavs, Laz, Persians and other citizens of the Ottoman Empire in a savage Armenian campaign of ethnic cleansing. Milosevic and his thugs had nothing on these Armenian barbarians. The Armenian terrorist goons of that era make today's Osama bin Laden and his thugs look like Mickey Mouse operators. Justice, you say? Justice was done when the Ottomans put an end to the bloody rampage of the Armenian Dashnak savages.
I couldn't read all of your stupid arguments. But the first paragraph clearly shows your ignorance. Did you read about the dates of when the Azeri pogroms happened?? they were back in 1988-1991, with no reason other than hatred towards kafir, unarmed Armenians. If the Soviet army didn't interfere, you would've committed another Genocide. That incident triggered the self-defense in Armenians and they stopped the aggression with a war in Karabagh which is a Historic Armenian land along with Nakhitchevan. If you didn't want to loose Karabagh, then you shouldn't have committed the 1988-91 crimes. After all you paid for your crimes, that's all. As for the Khojali massacres, they were done by your political opposition party and they tried to blame Armenians. The world knows the truth, you're just ignorant and brainwashed about it. Next time you try an aggression, remember that you have to pay for it. If you loose Nakhitchvan don't blame us...
So what you are saying is that Jews have hatred against Germans?? there was no holocaust? It's not about hatred, it's all about justice and human rights. Read history and educate yourself before indulging in such brainless arguments.If you kill someone, don't you expect to face judgement? well, your nation committed a crime and it's time to face the truth and accept responsibility for it. Don't hide behind words and excuses such as "hatred".
What a crazy reply. What does the Genocide have to do with your doctors and other stuff you mentioned. Germans have the most famous scientists in the world, yet they committed a crime and accepted it. Your ancestors have committed the crime of Genocide and your nation keeps denying it and they haven't stopped their crime yet. Check your history, see what is happening in Turkey now - what they are doing to the journalists, novelists, intellectuals in Turkey. Article 301 rings a bell??? Hrant Dink another Genocide victim? what about the rights of minorities (kafirs) - none! They are beheading and stoning priests in daylight and in public! you call this civilized? There are 70million barbaric Turks and only a handful of them are educated. Check the news as why Turkey is not being admitted at EU...because of it's Human Rights violations, etc. etc. So you are right and the rest of the world is wrong right? What about Cyprus, why is it occupied and since when was it Turkey?? Remember, your ancestors were criminals and now you are following in their footsteps. After all barbarism is in your blood. Another historic fact: Turkish people came from Barbar-Tatars.
"Uncivilized" which would explain all the historic contributions from Armenia and Armenians to society right? Thanks again for showing your racism.
Dashnaks were not two-faced, I'm sure you love to read TallArmenianTale or whatever, but the Dashnaks worked alongside the CUP until Armenians were betrayed by the Turks and sent on a death march. Also, ease up on the terrorists, when Turkey's buddy the Azeris worked alongside Chechen terrorists and Osama bin Laden against Armenia in 1993, a fact well documented.
I love the sociopathic this and that. When just earlier you claimed all European Americans and non Native Americans should leave the Americas (but yet strangely not a word about Turkish Americans having to leave, but a central focused on Armenians, who have never harmed Native Americans anymore than Japanese Americans have). Fact for you and Jakey boy is, the lands that are Eastern Turkey was Armenia since early history. Van, Moush, Harput, etc. are historic Armenian lands, the only reason Turks have it is because the Armenians were wiped out from the region and their land unfairly taken during Lausanne. I like how you both are so paranoid to assume myself and that other guy are the exact same person. Perhaps this shows how the Turkish Nationalist mindset works : "Oh no, they're all against us, all are the same, let's relocate/kill all of them". The funny thing is, you talk over Nazis this and that. You oddly shy away from mentioning Pan-Turkism that wants to usurp land belonging to Iran and other countries by way of establishing a greater Turkic state. The main ruling party of Azerbaijan has stated it umpteen times. The fact is, both of you are racist and biased, because no one without a bitter hatred of Armenians would stereotype them and make fun of their features like Nazis did towards Jews (incidentally, some Jews resemble Armenians, gonna make fun of them too?). All in all, I didn't reply further, because both of you are illogical and consistently use logical fallacy and constant attempted personal attacks. If you argue with a biased dim witted opponent, you are just wasting your time, hence why I stopped replying to you.
Yeah, there are pro-Nazi turks too, what's your point. See again, typical racist reasoning "Some Armenians, therefore all Armenians". Quite the same as "Some Blacks, therefore all Blacks", "Some Jews, therefore all Jews". I'm not the racist one here Yilmaz. Who started calling all Armenians liars, stereotyped them as violent and started about facial features like "big noses" and "hairy moustaces". Not me. And what's funny is that Jake forgets Armenians share similar DNA with Turks, so with his physical stereotype of Armenians, he's insulting your people just as much.
If an empire was so repressive, how can it last from 1299-1922 AD? The reason the Ottoman Empire collapsed was because the leaders were dumb enough to make it's economy collapse and go down the drain, that is what happened. If Armenians were treated like 2nd class citizens, then why did Ottoman Emperors refer to the Armenians as the "Loyal Nation" and encouraged Armenians to take high ranks in the Ottoman Empire though. These Armenian Supremacists are really full of themselves and need to drop their self centered, hyper-hateful attitude, period and stop making up lies, as well as 1/2 truths.
In the salad days of online chat, I encountered this young Armenian whipper snapper on a discussion board. He went on and on with the usual dogma and rigamarole right from the Armenian playbook of brainwashing. Oh how repressive the Ottoman state was. Oh pity please, pity the poor Armenians. Oh how oppressed and tyrannized the Armenians were under Ottoman rule. We went back and forth like this for a few days. Then the conversation took a different turn. This young fellow, having a very short memory, unwittingly made my point for me. He started on a binge of bragging about the accomplishments of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey. He posted a list of names of over 300 Armenians who had reached great heights in Ottoman society, in government, business, industry, arts , education, etc.. I congratulated his Armenians for their accomplishments and contributions to Ottoman society. Then the zinger. I asked him : "For three days you would have us believe that the Armenian subjects of the Ottoman reign were so oppressed, they practically had the status of slaves. Now you tell us Armenians reached the highest levels of Ottoman society. How do you explain this paradox?" The poor fellow was taken aback with this question. He had no answer. He had been so engrossed with his idee fixe, he had no inkling that he was so obviously contradicting himself. This is the problem of all pathetic zealots. They get rapped in their obsession and fixation to the degree that they lose all perspective. They constantly contradict themselves, and they don't care. Their modus operandi is : "I know what I know, and that's all I know. And don't bother me with facts - or reality" Same stuff that makes for religion zealots. Post Script : I ran into the same young man on another discussion board six months later. One would have thought that he would have been chastened and wizened a bit from our last encounter. Not a chance. There he was, spewing the same venom from the same Armenian playbook. What a pity. What a waste of youth.
700 years of genocides. Excuse me, if an empire can rule many nations, then there was not problems with the empire. Why do you think the Al-Assad Dynasty is collapsing after 40 years? Why do you think Mubarak fell after only 30 years? Ben Ali for 25 years? Shah Pahlavi for almost 30 years? The Ottoman Empire ruled for 700 years because of the fact that Christians, Muslims and Jews were equal citizens. Why do you think Jews from Spain fled to the Ottoman Empire to have their rights protected when Spain were killing Jews in the late 1400's. Why did Ottoman Sultans refer to the Armenians as the "Honorable Nation." Because Ottoman Emperors treated all citizens of the empire as all human beings, including all Muslims, Christians, and Jews. The empire fall because of a bad economy and collapsed because of that. Why did Somalia collapse? Economic problems. Why did Hosni Mubarak, Ben Ali, Gaddafi and now Assad will collapse? Economic problems. That is the deal if you can ask me if you ask me.
Is this Guy Fawkes again. You must probably be an Armenian from Argentina, or Brazil or Chile, because I know most of the Armenians in Spanish Speaking Countries mainly hail from Buenos Aires. Or maybe you were brainwashed by your local ANC chapter or ARF Shant Student Association with Typical Anti-Turkish racism, trying to portray Turks as Savages, Barbarians and whatnot. Typical Turkophobia with producing disgustingly racist films as "Midnight Express." Face it, you guys are not Human Rights activists but RACIST BIGOTS AND HATERS AND BIGOTS WHO VICOUSLY VILIFY TURKS LIKE NEO NAZIS AND THE KKK VILIFY JEWS. Turkish contributions to Society and here in USA: There are many international students from Turkey studying PhDs in hard subjects becoming Doctors, Engineers, Businesspeople, Political Leaders and other people who contribute to society. Who is the CEO of Coca Cola? MUHTAR KENT. Who is the go to guy is today's Medical/Health fields? DR MEHMET OZ FROM THE DR OZ SHOW. Yes, that same Dr. Oz that Kim Kardashian (Armo), tried to seek advice for how her dad died and asked Dr. Oz for medical advice. There are many Turkish Americans who are well-integrated, well-assimilated citizens in society. We have any professional, well educated people. Go look up Famous Notable Citizens of Turkish descent on Wikipedia or Yahoo. You Genocide Peddlers are trying to claim you guys are "Human Rights" activists. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF YEAH RIGHTTTTTT. YOU GUYS ARE MORE RACIST THEN A BUNCH OF NEO NAZIS AND THE KKK. RACISTS, ALL OF YOU! Genocide Peddlers are the New Racist Hate Group if you ask me and truthseekers who want a fair resolution and ending to conflicts are NOT RACIST. PERIOD. BOTTOM LINE.
Excuse me, but you guys are trying to label people like me and Jake as “Deniers.” Pfff that is not what we are doing. I have said and stated zillions of people, ok unarmed people on your side perished. Why, because they were being relocated to be protected from Turkish-Armenian war clashed. Some people died via relocation because of the fact that the soldiers who had relocation orders were bankrupt and the Ottoman Empire was as broke as Somalia as it collapsed. I do not deny the fact that unarmed Armenians perished. But what about the countless Sunnis, Alevis, Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Yezidis who got brutally massacred in the hands of Dashnak and Hincak rebels? What about their lives? How about them? You guys deny the fact that they were massacred in the hands of Dashnak and Hincak bandits and yes the bandits were armed to the teeth. We are not deniers. We are just simply trying to put the WHOLE facts, to set up a fair and just resolution to the Turkish-Armenian conflict. It is not a crime to do more research for the sake of building peace for both sides and it is not a crime to find a fair and just resolution to this conflict. What I am saying is not “Hate Speech” but PURE COLD HARD FACTS. PERIOD AND BOTTOM LINE.
You say the "UN is governed by a bunch of hypocrites who go where the $$$ is". Yet in your next post you cite UN rules to back up another argument of yours. Nuts! What gives, fella? How do you say two-faced in the Dashnak language? Karabet means black face in Turkish, but how do you say hypocrite in Armenian?
Show me the international law that says a country cannot close its borders to a miserable, uncivilized people who have avowed to be the "eternal enemies" of the said country. In any case, why do the hate-mongering Armenian pyscopaths need trade with Turkey or passage thru Turkey? The hate satiates their blackened hearts and their brainwashed heads. Hatred is an aliment that should nourish their stomachs as well. Otherwise, you have to make a choice. it is hatred or aliment for the stomach. You can't have it both ways. Testimony of eyewitnesses does not genocide evidence make. I can show you myriad eyewitnesses to atrocities committed by Armenian goon squads and cutthroats. Testimony of Armenian-bought politicians do not a genocide proof make. When the Armeno hocus-pocus artists brag about a politician affirming the Armeno dogma, this reminds us of the boasting of that obnoxious, proverbial macho man. You know the type, don't you? He is balding, middle-aged, shirt open to belly and with lots of bling hanging from his neck. The macho man constantly brags about his prowess with females. As proof of his sexual prowess, he offers confirming testimony of whores whom he pays very well. Historians? Forget it. For every historian you can name, I can name one as well. We can go back and forth ad nauseam, ad infinitum. Waste of time. If you can dispense with Armenian hokum, we can save time and get to the gist of the matter. Show me the money. Show me the Nuremberg-type judgment by a competent court. As Guido Sarducci once famously put : Put your money where your mouth is. You say it is criminal? Go ahead and drop a dime. Call Inspector Jacques Clouseau of the Surete and inform on me. Tell him to come and arrest me. I hereby declare the Armenian allegations of genocide to be hokum. This Armenian scam is an obscene canard perpetrated upon humanity. In grandiosity of chutzpah, it is second only to the hoax played on humanity by an adulterous Jewish couple two thousand years ago. This couple claimed that their out-of-wedlock child was a man-god born without the the benefit of fornication. Will wonders never cease? Will the scam artists tell us next that the earth is flat? Will they try to hoodwink us into believing that 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA operation?
Excuse me, but you talk about what happened in Baku. It is all about you guys, you guys, you guys. It's not always about you guys What happened to all those Non-Armenians who got expelled from NKR (Karabagh). Why are there 500k-999k Non-Armenian, yes, Non-Armenian refugees, living as refugees in Azerbaijan? Because of how they were kicked out and expelled out from Karabagh. What about Khojaly massacre and the 1k people who got intentionally massacred by Armenian terrorist troops? I bet you guys are going to deny that or you guys are going to say, oh the Azeri government blamed it's own people to spread racism against Armenians. Hahahaha, that is as ridiculous of an alegation as claiming that 9-11 was an inside job. Now I will not deny what happened in Anatolia and Azerbaijan to Armenian people, I do not wish to deny the fact that unarmed Armenians perished. But here is a fact: Armenia wanted to grab a huge chunk of land in Eastern Anatolia, spanning 1/2 of what is today's RoT (Turkish Republic), when Christian Orthodox people were like a small minority in those territories, and then, what happened was is Dashnak and Hincak bandits started shelling non-Armenian villages in Anatolia, massacreing innocents and a lot of other disgusting stuff. I think it is fair to state that many Muslims (Sunni and Alevi), Yezidi, Protestant, Catholic and Jewish got massacred by Armenian bandits who wanted to steal a huge chunk of land. The reason some Armenians who were unarmed died was because of the fact that Turkish troops didn't want ethnically Armenian people to die in the ethnic clashes between Turkish and Armenian rebels. The reason some of those unarmed Armenians died was because the Ottoman Empire in the 1900s was bankrupt and the leaders who were issuing relocation orders didn't have enough money to give to all the relocated subjects, because as I said, the Ottoman Empire was bankrupt. You can do all you guys want, you guys can put super large amounts of pressure on lobby groups, your lobbies can control the world so much to the point that your lobbies have the ability to manipulate and control the world by spraeding anti Turkish hatred and 1/2 truths. As you guys passed resolution and resolution, tried to plot to isolate Turkish foriegn policy as hard as possible, it backfired on your nation. Look at Turkey vs Armenia. Armenia is poor and broke (don't even blame your neighbors because of this), it is ruled by an Oligarchic regime, 500k-1 million Armenians moved out of Armenia, after it's independence and immigrated to other countrys, even Turkey, (you guys should be proud you liberated yourself from the Soviets and at least have a country), your country is the top 5 recipient of foriegn aid, yet most of the foriegn aid goes to finance the lavish lifestyle of Oligarchs. Your country is lacking democracy and is literally poor and broke and your country is as opressie and corrupt as Burma. Look at Turkey, Human Rights issues may not be so great (thanks to AKP scumbags which I loathe w/ a passion), but our economy is becoming a powerhouse, we have countless industries ranging from manufacturing, hi-tech, tourism, agriculture, shipbuilding, banking, finance, oil, energy, gas, construction, and many many other economic sectors. Why do you think Turkey’s economy is 15th largest and going to double in ranking the next decade, despite not getting anything in foreign aid, despite powerful and effective racist anti-Turkey special interest lobby groups (whether if it is Greek or Armenian), despite having to deal with PKK terrorists. It is because the people of Turkey invest in lot of money for it’s citizens and cares about it’s citizens, rather then just going around the world, using their special interest lobbies to punish Greece for it’s racist aggression against Turkish-Cypriots (people are saying Turkey is occupying Cyprus, no it isn’t, it actually helped Turkish-Cypriots to have civil rights and Greek Cypriots and Greece are trying so hard to stop trade to North Cyprus. Many Turkish Cypriots accepted the Bi-zonal Bi-communal reunification law, where both Turkish and Greek Cypriots have a right to exist on the island. But Greece and Greek Cypriots rejected it. They claim to be human rights activists, hahahahahaha, yeah right. Since when do human rights activists try to isolate an ethnic group and try oh sooo hard to lock them like how Israel is isolating the Palestinians. Why do you hear a lot of people saying “Turks out of Cyprus.” That is like how the Nazis used to say “Jews out of Germany.” Greek Cypriots victims and human rights? Hahahahaha, yeah right. They tried to kill their Turkish Cypriot brothers but FAILED EPICLY). Hahahahaha, yeah right.) I wish Turkish groups worldwide were x100 more proactive to state the facts about Turkish-Cypriot self determination and civil rights, the WHOLE facts about the Turkish-Armenian conflict and how PKK is a vicious bloodthristy terror group that is actually going AGAINST Kurdish interests. Then none of you warmongers would mess with Turkey and the Turkish people. But don’t worry, your local ATAA groups will gain power via Grassroots and anti-Turkish racist legislation will cease to exist. The PKK claims they are freedom fighters. Since when the hell freedom fighters bomb cities, towns, resorts, schools, shopping malls, use people as human shields, suicide bombings and other things. They are the reason why the SE of Turkey is dirt poor. They claim they are fighting for Kurdish rights. How the heck do you fight for your people’s rights by terrorism, using people as human shields and suicide bombings. Come on, get out of here. Then pro-PKK terrorists will claim that, ohhhh, the bombings were an inside job, and ohhh, it was Ergenenkon who did. First of all, Turkey has suffered from terrorism since the 1970s, and the so-called Ergenenkon organization, which doesn’t even exist (It was just created by AKP, the current ruling elite to discredit secular Civil Rights activists), started in mid 2000’s, but in reality, Ergenenkon is just a mere conspiracy theory. Also, you guys claim that those bombings are inside jobs by the Turkish Army. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, that is as ridiculous of a claim as some loonys who claim that 9-11 was an inside job. Face it, PKK is a terror group. Back to Armenians: You know you guys waste your countless money on genocide resolutions which concern ½ truths as just a silly excuse to steal land, try to constantly vilify everything Turkish in the most vicious and disgusting ways and try to silence free speech and debate about the Turkish-Armenian conflict in France and Switzerland. You guys try to run away like wimps from the Historical Commision because you are afraid the FULL TRUTHS rather then ½ truths will be exposed and you will half to drop your territorial claims. Face it, we won WW1 and kicked your soldiers butts and you are not gonna get 1 cm of soil. What are we guilty of? NOTHING. We are not guilty of defending of our territorial integrity from imperialist plots. You guys tried to plot a land grab and failed and you guys are trying to plot another land grab and IT WILL FAIL AGAIN. There are Taner Akcams, Orhan Pamuks and so on. What the heck is the point of all those people when you guys successfully made the world hate Turkish people and successfully demonized Turkish people. What is the point of all these scholars when you guys are still full of hate. I am not a hater, I am defending Turkish civil rights against warmongering genocide-peddling, land-demanding racist bigots like yourselves. You guys are brainwashed with anti-Turkish hate and you know it. Kids in 2nd grade jumped me and beat me up just because I was ½ Turkish. You guys are full of hate and you know it. You will never ever get a CM of soil from us. Stop being brainwashed with hate. Stop trying to poison people’s minds with hate. Stop spreading ½ truths and thinking that you guys are important. Stop being self-centered and pretending to be victims, when Tr, Geo, and Az are always threatened by warmongering Armenian territorial demands. You guys want to wipe your neighbors and you know it. Drop your land claims. Stop brainwashing people and falsely portraying Turkish people as illiterates, barbarians and savages (if that is so, then why are 30 billionaires in the World from Turkey, why do we have people like Dr. Mehmet Oz, numerous people of Turkish descent in the USA contributing to US society in the fields of academia, medicine, politics, business, entertainment and other fields). I want peace and if you want peace, drop your land claims, tell people to recognize Turkish, Azeri and Georgian deaths (not just yours), and apologize for your vicious hate campaigns. It is as simple as that.
UN is governed by a bunch of hypocrites who go where the $$$ is. Otherwise they wouldn't have allowed Turkey to occupy Cyprus, they would've punished the Azeri massacres of Armenians between 1988-1990 and they would've punished Turkey for the Genocide and blockade of Armenia, etc. etc. etc.
Israel is not seen on pre 1948 maps. Would you like to wipe Israel off the map? Or would you be content like your Armenian president, in merely honoring and bestowing a gold medal on the likes of Iran Pres. Ahmadinejad who would like to wipe Israel off the map. In the event, Azerbaijan is recognized as a state by the UN. And the UN recognizes Nagorno Karabagh as Azeri territory. That means the Armenians are sneaky thieves. The rest of your commentary is pathetic, puerile stuff. If we were to go by your reckoning, we would have to conclude that all Armenians are vile terrorists. They are all cunning, deceitful, devious crooks, thieves and cutthroat goons. All Armenians are Neanderthal savages and troglodytes. All Armenians are despicable murderers and animalistic, criminal Mafia hoodlums. But no, mon ami. My, friend, I don't go by your way of reckoning. Even if the evidence shows that Armenians are vile caricatures of human beings, I remain optimistic in believing that there must be at least 5 or 6 decent Armenians somewhere in this world. Hay tad and all that Dashnakian jazz....
Turkey's closing of the border is against all International, Human rights and United Nations rules. If they don't have anything against Armenia, why are they not letting them do free trade? the trade doesn't have to be with Turkey, but the passage from Turkey to other countries is now blocked. I checked your other comments and you don't seem to know anything about 'real' History, Human Rights and Armenia. So you better stop commenting until you educate yourself. Remember; the Armenian Genocide by Turks is a fact, proven by historians, politicians and eye witness accounts on many courts over the last 97 years. There are millions of documents and archives in many countries, including the Washington DC archives and Genocide museums. Even the World Genocide Scholars have accepted it as a Genocide. The word "Genocide" was termed by a Jewish Lawyer called Raphael Lemkin, who created it according to what he read about the massacres of the Armenians. This is a video-documented item that you can find on YouTube. Denying any Genocide is idiotic, criminal and naive.
If that were the case, then Yerevan should be elated at the closing of the border by Turkey. It is the opposite. Armenia is desperate for the opening of the border to Turkey. If I felt like you, I would never want to see another Turk, and I would want that border to remain closed. It seems to me, we have a case of an Armenian Newt Gingrich here : Say one thing, but do the opposite. Typical.
“Genocide” doesn’t just mean killing a lot of people, even a lot of civilians. If it did, then the United States would be guilty of genocide in Hiroshima and France in Algeria. The term "Genocide" is a deliberate and systematic, pre-planned attempt to wipe out much or all of a specific ethnic, linguistic or religious group. Twenty two years have passed since the Baku pogroms and the perpetrators are still unpunished. No legal proceeding ever took place calling to account all those political forces and individuals guilty of mass murder. Violently displaced Armenian refugees never received any compensation for the moral and/or material damage they'd suffered. The 5-day mass pogroms (January 13-19, 1990) of the Armenian population of Baku stopped right before the Soviet troops entered the city on January 20. What would've happened if they didn't interfere?- another Genocide. 700year+ of unbroken history of genocides by Turkic nations. Extreme intolerance and unparalleled cruelty, brutality and inhumanity is covered up and replaced with a myth of tolerance...Hell will freeze over first and pigs will fly before Turkey can ever be truthfully portrayed as a tolerant, civilized democracy!
Turkish contribution to history: - Stealing other cultures and history - Genocide of several nations (Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Pontic and more...) - Destruction - Killings - Stealing - Rape - Forcibly converting children and women to Islam - Genocide denying ...and more List of Armenian Pogroms by Azerbaijan - 1905 -1907, First Armenian massacres by Azeri Tatars in Shushi, Baku, Nakhichevan and Elizavetpol, - 1918, massacres in Baku, - 1920, massacres in Shushi, - 1988, February massacres in Sumgait, - 1988, November massacres in Kirovabad, - 1990, January massacres in Baku, - 1992 April massacres by the Azerbaijani army of the Maragha Armenians. Artificial nations; on one hand you have Turco-Tatars who artificially created a so-called Azerbaijan which did not even exist on maps before 1918. On the other you have Turkey who stole lands from right and left to create a so-called Turkey, by murdering the native Christian and Muslim inhabitants. With no alphabet on their own, first Arabic then Latin, Turkey is nothing but an artificial creation with major identity issues founded on usurped lands of Ottomans.
Amen to your views brother. May god bless you eternally forever and ever.
A few years ago, the Economist magazine ran an article about Nagorno Karabagh. A desperate Armenian woman was quoted as saying, "We wanted more land. Now that we got it, no one wants to live here. Everyone is trying to leave. Even the poverty in Russia is better than what we have here". A few years earlier than that, I had written a piece for a Turkish publication, ending it with the words, "Every cloud has a silver lining". The silver lining is that these hate-mongering, maniacal diaspora Armenians keep themselves busy with their usual activities. A million Armenians from Glendale to Beirut to Marseille spend millions and millions of man-hours waging armchair war online. They write letters to the editor, to politicians and what not. That is the silver lining in the clouds. Time is money. If you convert into money the millions of man-hours that these hateful, miserable people waste, it would amount to billions of dollars even at the rate of a minimum paying job. That is the silver lining. Those billions of dollars could have gone to their goon squads in Yerevan in the form of bullets they would use to shoot at the Azeri people. Let these eternally malcontent Armenians wallow in their jealousy. Let them turn green with envy at the thought of a prospering Azerbaijan and Turkey. I recently read that Azerbaijan has started a project to construct the tallest building in the world. A couple years ago, an Azeri businessman opened a billion dollar hotel/resort in Turkey, providing thousands of jobs. Above all, keep the Turkish-Armeno border closed. The people of Glendale rue the day that they let the first Armenian Mafioso hoodlum into their community. And just remember, there is no such creature as a moderate Armenian. They come in three varieties : Ultra-ultra maniacal, ultra maniacal and your plain, ordinary, run-of-the-mill maniacal kind of Armenian. These Armenian merchants of hate have declared the Turkish nation to be their "eternal enemies". So keep that border closed eternally.
Alright already. I give, I give. You can have eastern Anatolia for your glorious "Greater Armenia". Go grab it. There is a hitch though. You ain't gonna get it with your sociopathic rantings on the Internet. Get yourself a GPS unit and direct it to the Turkish border. But first make a stop in Lebanon. I hear there is a colony of Armenian terrorists there. I am sure they can supply you with a Kalashnikov or two. Oh but I forget. Your progenitors attempted this sort of land-grab about a hundred years ago. How did they make out? Not too good, eh? Those glorious Armenian fighters excelled in slaughtering women, children and infants. But as the first PM of Armenia confessed, these Armenian braves dropped their weapons and ran to Russia-owned Armenia at the first sight of a Turkish soldier. But go ahead and try anyway. Maybe you 'll have better luck than your grandpapa. Oh there is one more hitch. It seems there is the little problem of these strange people called the Kurds. From what I hear, these Kurds are just as vicious, just as ornery, disagreeable and devious as your Armenians. Wouldn't you know, they just happen to be sitting on the same piece of real estate that your slick Armenians claim. What you claim to be Armenistan, these obstinate Kurds call Kurdistan. A bummer, eh? Ain't that a kick in the shin? What to do, what to do? What's a sociopathic, delusional Armenian zealot like you supposed to do in this circumstance? I don't know what to tell you, kid. If you wish, I can provide you with the phone number of the legendary, belly-scratching, nose-picking-in-front-of-cameras leader of the Kurds. His name is Abdul Ocalan and he resides in a prison island on the Sea of Marmara. Wanna give him a try? Let me know.
There are these demands of Armenians squealing "We Demand Justice". That is just a code-word or a secret word to declare that we will hit Turkey and the Turkish people as hard as possible and try to wipe Turkey off the map and win this vicious Al-Qaida war against Turkey. Either you want peace or war. "Justice" is a code-war for waging a really vicious, bloodthristy war against Turkey. There is only wanting war and peace. They want war when they say these things. They need to get over it, move on, stop complaining and whining. They will lose once they join the Historical Commision, because they are afraid if they open their archives, they will lose and get exposed BIG TIME!
I know, Armenians are professional crybabies, they whine, whine, whine, squirm, squirm, squirm and whine. Look at their country, their population has decreased 500k-1 million because of the fact that their diasporamen spend 99 of their money on genocide allegations, attacking everything Turkish, promoting anti-Turkish racism, spreading anti-Turkish hate, attacking any Turkish-related events and just constantly whining and whining and being stuck in the past and being full of hate. Yet, the try to manipulate lobbies for their warmongering, anti-Turkish racist agenda and look at their country, it has no democracy, it is poor and landlocked (they cannot blame their neighbors but themselves for their own state), and has an Oligarchy style government (Armen Kazarian, the guy who got busted for stealin 150 million dollars in Medicare Fraud, actually has ties with Serj Sarkisian, who currently rules Armenia, and also Armenia tries to claim that they are allies will every country on the planet, yet they claim to be USA's ally, yet Wikileaks documents showed that Armenia gave guns to Shiite Militants in Iraq to kill US Soldiers also). Even though Armenians control every lobby in the world and successfully manipulate every country to join their warmongering agenda, their country has no human rights, it is poor, it is ruled by oligarchs and dictators, and their diaspora is full of hate, and even there are Turkish "Hye Tahd" Sympathetics, they cannot move on, get over the past and are as hateful toward Turks just like how Nazis were hateful to the Jews. They collaborated with the Greek communities worldwide to make a disgustingly racist film called "Midnight Express", which is as racist as posters that were racist against Jews in Nazi Germany and as racist as the book the "Learned Elders of the Protocols of Zion". I do not hate Armenians, I know many great Armenians who acknowledge the "Shared Suffering Thesis", who do not want to ask for any CM of land from Turkey, who want their country to apologize for it's wrongdoings in Azerbaijan and leave Karabagh. I am just against Armenian Supremacists/Extremeists only. I will confront these hateful, territory demanding, warmongering, genocide peddling Armenian Supremacists, who are like operating like the Armenian KKK. (Armenian Supremacists clame they liberated Karabagh). How do you liberate territories by expelling non-Armenians out of Karabagh and conducting the Khojaly massacre. They are going to deny how non-Armenians got expelled from Karabagh, or they will blame the Azerbaijani government for massacreing their own people. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT IS ABOUT AS RIDICULOUS OF A CLAIM OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIM 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. The Armenians need to do themselves a favor, because no one gives a hoot about their whines, pouts and bitches. They have entrenched themselves with vicious hatred and think they will exert power and plot to control the lobbies of the world. Even though they get ridiculously large sums of foreign aid, it only goes to the corrupt oligarchs to funnel their lavish lifestyle while the 2-3 million people remaining in their motherland are starving to death. Most of the territorial demanding, warmongering, pressuring the diaspora to manipulate the world lobbies to control other lobbies so they can succeed in dividing their neighbors, most of those Armenian leaders are super corrupt. Serj, Kocharian, Nalbandian, you name it. They constantly whine, play the eternal victim and yet it is funny because they are so hate filled, thinking they own the world, just because they can find sneaky and slick ways to manipulate other lobbyists and claim they are the 1st Christians and that is the reason the world needs to obey them and their racist/faschist agenda. They are so self-absored and hateful and power hungry, it causes them to commit massive medicare fraud schemes (like the 150 million dollar Medicare scheme which costed a lot of money, and if those Medicare Fraudsters weren’t caught, they would have bankrupted the US economy even), and other fraud schemes. It also caused them to poison the other minds of people with vicious anti-Turkish hatred and cause the demise of their own nation. If they care about Armenia and their motherland, they would drop all their territorial claims (you do not have to have sea/ocean access to be a rich prosperous country, Switzerland, Austria and the state of Colorado have mountains and those places are really rich), they would stop poisoning people’s minds with ½ truths and vicious hatred, they would get over the past and move on and then do good things like get rid of the warmongering corrupt Oligarchs ruleing in their country, restore democracy and pour way more money in developing their country, economy, education systems, water systems and other things. Instead of wasting time on stuff they will never get and how they will never succeed in viciously attacking all their neighbors. They are waging an Al-Qaida like war against everything Turkish, Azerbaijani and Georgian and they will have to stop for their own sake and their neighbors sake. They can whine bitch and pout about the genocide but no one will give a damn anymore because of the self centered, cocky, power hungry attitude of Armenian Racial Supremacists/Extremeists (I am not saying all Armenians, but racist ones only). They can throw all arguments at me, other Turkish people, and other sane non-brainwashed people, but their arguments will be literally shredded like people shred papers into pieces. It is time for them to move on, stop complaining, squirming like a bunch of little kids who don’t get candy from their mommies and just stop hating and stop being so self-centered, power hungry and just give it up. It is for the sake of the world, Turkey, Armenia and everyone else. Because seriously, no one gives a hoot what they think anymore.
First of all, dude, unfortunately, the leadership in Ankara is corrupt and has no balls. Unforutnately after 1950s, all the Turkish leaders have no balls and are weaklings and prostitute themselves to the EUSSR. The EU will collapse, it was like how Big Banks in America wanted to set up a bunch of corporate mergers of business firms worldwide, but they caused the collapse of many firms and companies in the USA. Also, many countries in the EU are protesting that they want their countries to LEAVE the EU because of the fact that the EU is economically and politically enslaving every country ruleing it's communist empire and passing laws to ban freedom of expression and passing laws to restrict civil liberties. Yet they have the spine to criticise other countries for human rights problems. The EU is no different then the Soviet Union. We are willing to admit that Armenians perished (I will admit under the conditions which I have stated), but the Armenians need to accept the fact that they need to apologise for massacreing countless Sunnis, Alevis, Yezidis, Jews, Catholics and Protestants in Anatolia and not ask for 1 CM of soil from Turkey because they are not gonna get shit from Turkish people. They will not get a CM and if they want to get anything, they will have to invade Anatolia with arms and deal with Turkish troops before they even get a single CM of land.
Give them another 20 years or so, and the Armenians will declare Glendale as the Armenian Republic of North America. They will produce Aram Andonian-like forgeries to show that Armenians have been living in Glendale even before the Native Americans. Go figure. How do you say chutzpah in the Armeno language?
I have no reason to get off any land being that I'm mestizo and a legal resident. But by your logic, I propose the following : # Turkish Americans like Ergun Kirlikovali, need to get off Native American lands # Turkish people, if Europeans must leave the Americans, needs to fuck off to the Altai mounts # Turkish people who pretend to be Native American, should follow them Want your Turan you bigot? Fuck off and making in your Turkic homeland. What you want to do is hold responsible Armenians for atrocities they didn't commit and telling them they are guilty for living in American lands, yet you seem to think it's fine for Turks to live there, doing the same. If Armenians should leave, Turks should leave. Your logic is so skewed it's going in a cicle. I don't PERSONALLY, say all Turks should leave, I think they have a right in Anatolia...but they need to admit the atrocities they did. Just like Germans did towards Jews. Americans should apologize to Native Americans too. Armenians shouldn't, because they didn't. Or do you think Japanese Americans should write an apology to Native Americans too? I could point out that you don't have a life because all you do all day is hate on Armenians, think of racial stereotypes and quote old SNL sketches, but hey. Also...it's "su casa" not "tu casa" as "su" is a possesive. At least try not to butcher Spanish to make it sound as bad as something like Azerbaijani for example. If anyone is guilty of victimization, it;s "poor Moslem Turks" (who have no problem helping the US with fights against Moslems in Afghanistan and Iraq, but then whine over wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). Face it Kardesh, Turks are hypocrites. Just like Europe has no place for them in the European Union, the world has no place for Genocide deniers and Turkish Nationalists. I'm sorry if you don't like it with your little semi-Nazi Turanian idea.
Excuse me, but not all Armenian immigrants in the USA are Legal. Go look at all these taxi cab drivers in big cities. Also, most of the Armenian organized criminials are illegally in the USA (Did you hear about how Armenian criminals were busted for 150 million dollars in defrauding people in Medicare Fraud and there are many countless Armenian fraud schemes). Also, Armenia claims to be a friend of the USA when at the same time, Wikileaks showed that Armenia gave guns to Iraqi Shiite militants to kill US Soldiers. Also, the ARF has ties with terrorists group like Hezbollah (Hassan Nasrallah was born in Bourj Hammoud, Lebanon, where there is a large Armenian population). and there are many pictures of Serj Sarkisian with terrorist leaders like Ahmadinejad and no Armenian has a problem with their leaders having ties with neo-Nazis like Ahmadinejad. Also, a lot of Armenians blame the Jews for killing their people, and there is this conspiracy theory claming that Jews were behind the massacres of Armenians, because of the fact that Israel didn't like the fact that Armenians had a role in killing Jews with their proud Aryan Nazi Brothers. Don't forget, Hitler actually supported Armenians. Also, Armenian supremacists claim that Ataturk inspired the Nazis and Ataturk was also Jewish, how could he be both when the Nazis hated Jews. This is another proof of how anti-Turkey racists contradict themselves and lie. The Armenians want to use the genocide allegations to wipe Turkey off the map and bankrupt the Turkish economy, so we have a right to fight them until they surrender from their territorial demands.
Dude, go look at the website called ArmenianAryans.com or go look at the website called Stormfront, where there are a lot of Armenian Neo Nazis who call Black people "Niggers" and "Apes." You are biased and racist dude. Get a life and stop being brainwashed.
Actually you guys are 45% White, 45% Mestizo and 10% pure breed Indian. Wrong again bro.
Ok, first of all, the Turkish government had no responsibility over Dink's shooting and it was only just some dumb little kid named Ogun Samast with a bunch of Grey Wolves Clowns. By the way, there was some protests a couple of times on the streets of Istanbul (100k in size) to mourn Hrant Dink's death and people in Turkey were as disgusted as your local ANCA member in the Los Angeles, Fresno, San Francsico, Boston, New York and Detroit metropolitan areas. But on the other hand, at your local AYF, ANCA, AAA, ARF Shant, and Homenetmen gatherings and you will see people celebrating the Armenian Terrorists (ASALA, JCAG) (they are all Armenian equivalents of Al-Qaida and Taliban) who savagely killed Turks for no reason in the 1970s. They claim "ohhhh, our intent is to kill Turkish Diplomats", but not only they did that, they also killed Turkish oriented business owners and threatened bomb attacks against Dance Troupes visiting from Turkey @ Disneyland and San Franscico. I never said Turkish people intentionally killed Armenians, there was no intent to destroy them, what happened was is that Ottoman soldiers relocated them via temproary resettlement orders due to the fact that Turkish soldiers didn't want them getting caught in civil war conditions and the reason they were not given food for their deportation is because the Ottoman Empire was totally bankrupt. But you can talk to many ethnic Muslims in Anatolia, whether Turks or Kurds, and they will tell you about how Armenian Bandits were ARMED TO THEIR TEETH and massacred their family members even when they were not in combat, but just sitting in their houses. Read Hamparsum Boyacians quotes, and read Boghos Nubar Pashas quotes on the web. The world needs to know that NOT ONLY ARMENIANS DIED, BUT MUSLIMS, JEWS, ALEVIS, YEZIDIS AND CATHOLICS AS WELL. By the way, unforunately, the Bible Publishers were killed unforunately killed because of MHP idiots. I consider the MHP party and AKP party (quasi-Sharia Law party sponsored by that Kenyan Marxist's political office in Washington DC) (I think the CHP party is the best party for Turkey) (I personally am a Republican for many numerous reasons when it comes to the USA politics) bigger threats then warmongering Genocide Allegationist, Armenian Supremacist Territory Demanding Genocide Alllegationists, PKK terrorists and Greek Megali Faschists (who want to kill every Turkish Cypriot and wipe them off the map, by trying ohhhh so hard to isolate the TRNC. It is funny how they are trying ohhhhh so hard to isolate Turkish Cypriots, and complain about being victims of Turkey.) Hahahaha, if the Greek Cypriots are victims, why are they trying oh soooooo hard to isolate Turkish Cypriots, trying to say that reunification is racist (where Turkish Cypriots can have their rights respected). But for now, Greek Cypriots want to kill all Turkish Cypriots and wipe em off with their excuse. Turkish Cypriots are technically the new Palestinians if you ask me technically, both opressed peoples. The Jewish lobby is powerful like the Greek and Armenian lobbies, so Palestinian rights cannot be guaranteed and T/C civil rights cannot be guaranteed. Turkey will not leave Cyprus until Greek Nazis respect Turkish-Cypriot civil rigths and self determiniation. Also, there are many reasons why Turkey supported Kosovo. First of all 10% of Turkey's population has ethnic Albanians. Infact the ruleing elite in Turkey are ethnically Albanian (Ilker Basbug, Yasar Buyukanit, Ismet Inonu, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk). Even Ergun Kirlikovali has ethnic Albanian roots and another ATAA president named Gunay Evinch is ethnically an Albanian as well. By the way, unforunately, the Bible Publishers were killed unforunately killed because of MHP idiots. I consider the MHP party and AKP party (quasi-Sharia Law party sponsored by that Kenyan Marxist's political office in Washington DC) (I think the CHP party is the best party for Turkey) (I personally am a Republican for many numerous reasons when it comes to the USA politics) bigger threats then warmongering Genocide Allegationist, Armenian Supremacist Territory Demanding Genocide Alllegationists, PKK terrorists and Greek Megali Faschists (who want to kill every Turkish Cypriot and wipe them off the map, by trying ohhhh so hard to isolate the TRNC. It is funny how they are trying ohhhhh so hard to isolate Turkish Cypriots, and complain about being victims of Turkey.) Hahahaha, if the Greek Cypriots are victims, why are they trying oh soooooo hard to isolate Turkish Cypriots, trying to say that reunification is racist (where Turkish Cypriots can have their rights respected). But for now, Greek Cypriots want to kill all Turkish Cypriots and wipe em off with their excuse. Turkish Cypriots are technically the new Palestinians if you ask me technically, both opressed peoples. The Jewish lobby is powerful like the Greek and Armenian lobbies, so Palestinian rights cannot be guaranteed and T/C civil rights cannot be guaranteed. Turkey will not leave Cyprus until Greek Nazis respect Turkish-Cypriot civil rigths and self determiniation. Also, there are many reasons why Turkey supported Kosovo. First of all 10% of Turkey's population has ethnic Albanians. Infact the ruleing elite in Turkey are ethnically Albanian (Ilker Basbug, Yasar Buyukanit, Ismet Inonu, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk). Even Ergun Kirlikovali has ethnic Albanian roots and another ATAA president named Gunay Evinch is ethnically an Albanian as well.
You say Taner Akcam is a scholar? Hahahahahahahaha, that is funny. That is the biggest joke ever. Are you talking about a Former Communist Terrorist who was a member of a terrorist group called DEV-YOL, which was involved in trying to plot to set up a Communist government in Turkey via terrorizing Turkish citizens and intimidating them. DEV-YOL members got punished w/ Crimes Against Humanity in the 1970s. Then Taner Akcam escaped to Germany and is now bankrolled by the hyper-powerful Armenian lobby that is so powerful, it has the ability to control many political lobbies worldwide and manipulate countries to support Armenia's warmongering agenda to steal land from Turkey, Georgia (Javakh is NOT Armenian) and Azerbaijan. Also, whenever Taner Akcam speaks, most of the time, he sounds like a flaming dumbass and talks like a retard most of the time. He would be better off as a circus clown rather then a "Historian." Infact he studied Sociology as his PhD degree and has NO educational background in History. Taner Akcam is a bigger joke then Mel Gilbson high on meth. You cannot take a joke like him seriously. Even other Turkish scholars who support the "genocide thesis" thinks he is a joke. Also, another fellow anti-Turkey terrorist named Abdullah Ocalan thinks he is a scum, look up TallArmeniaTale.com about articles about Taner Akcam.
Get a life, kid. Go find yourself a nice Armenian girlfriend with a mustache and hairy legs. Enjoy. Ain't life grand? You haven't payed attention. You are dodging. So if you are not Anglo, you owe "jack shit" to Native Americans, because you weren't here when their genocide and theft of lands were underway? You just came around later and settled on the already stolen land, enjoying the fruits of genocide and grand larceny. Using your logic again : since no Turk of today was around when Armenians lost their lands or were genocided, then no Turk of today owes the Armeno slicks "jack shit". Yet like the typically cunning Armeno, you try to have your cake and eat it too. That's a physical impossibility, kid. It ain't gonna happen. You claim you can't be held to account for the injustice to Native Americans while you have no problem trying to hold today's Turks responsible for injustice done to your slippery Armenian ilk. "How conveeeeeenient," would say the Church Lady on SNL. Again borrowing your cockamamie Armenian logic, yes, not just the Armenos but all other occupiers should leave all of the Americas. I only picked the deceitful Armenians because they are trying to hoodwink the world. They claim victimization even as they victimize others. Guido Sarducci's rule number 1915 : What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If your Armenian ilk can hold today's Turks to account for an alleged crime for which they were not around to commit, then the Native Americans can hold to account today's Armenian interlopers and occupiers. N'est ce pas? Mr. Interloper, pack your bags, get off the stolen land and go back to Albania, Armenia, Arabia or wherever it is your ilk came from. Mi casa no es tu casa.
OOOOOOH look little Jake is mad, poor little baby. I love how you moan over ad hominem attacks, but so far it's been you that has left most of the ad hominem attacks (and racial stereotypes) throughout this entire discussion. This may come as a shock to you, but ethnic stereotyping, generalizations over a racial group and insults on their appearance are racist. So in short, I'm arguing with closed-minded bigot that will say everything in his countenance to defend his racist views. Armenians, are not the same as Anglo-Americans, if it's too hard for your to get in that brain of yours. Hence they owe jack shit to Native Americans or Africans, as they didn't colonize them. There is not one example of state sponsored Armenian hate against Africans (actually, the Oriental Orthodox church is in communion with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, a Native African form of Christianity). As usual though, you show your ignorance. Overall you seem to have a hatred of Mexicans, Armenians, European Americans (wonder what the Irish did to you, seeing as they didn't colonize and were treated like crap under NINA laws) and Greeks (leading me again to believe you are a Turk, as Turks seem to hate Greeks, even Turks treated Greeks like shit, for example the burning of Smyrna). "Enough with your silly BS and your childish ad hominem insults. I know of sixth graders with more cerebral acumen" See what you did? This is hypocritical, you whine over ad hominem attacks..and respond with an ad hominem attack. You have not addressed one example of your fallacious claims with any actual evidence, all it is just is, is you saying Kim Kardashian has a large culo and Cher has a fake nose, along with propaganda with racial overtones to Armenians. In fact what you say about noses, are kinda what Hitler said over Jews, about Armenians being greedy, is the same as Goebbels said about Jews. So all in all, you are no different from a Nazi. Bear in mind Jake, Turkish-Americans are also settlers to the US. Should they also evacuate Native American property? If so I implore you (because you are a Turk), Ergun Kirlikovali and Murad Gumen to get your asses back to Ankara and make sure you give your land to a local tribe, else, STFU. Armenians are indigenous to the Armenian highlands.The earliest accounts show proto-Armenian civilzations as early as circa 2000 B.C. Turks only came in from Central Asia with the Oghuz Turks during the 11th Century, hence they are not Native. If Europeans must move out of the Americas, Turks must go back to playing with horse-shit in Central Asia. You have your Altai mountains, don't like the indigenous people of Anatolia, STFU and go back there. After Turks came to Anatolia, they were known for : # Kidnapping kids for Jannissaries and Tellak bath-houses # Pillaging and Rape # Burning of villages # Harsh taxes and punishment to those refusing to pay # Slaughters of many Christians, Muslims and other religious groups Strange how they seem so similar to conquistadors. This is well documented by historians of the colonization of America, and by historians of teh Ottoman Empire. Turks were cruel barbarians, invading peaceful Anatolians from their shit covered yurts. Also before lecturing me in logic, at least attempt to understand what the term CONTRADICTION means. Because you keep saying "A is wrong, but if B does A, A is right" which shows bias and "A is A, but A is not A" which is a direct contradiction. All in all, I think it's you that's the kid over here, you seem not to have even a rudimentary understanding of philosophy. Try to enroll at a University outside of Istanbul and Azerbaijan and look for the Philosophy 101, thanks. Ante Gamisou, malakas ;)
How did you get whiskey? Don't you have to be 21 to buy booze? Look, kid, enough with your sophomoric evasions. I am going to make this so simple that even a thick-skulled Armenian palikarya (that's Greek for young hooligan) like you cannot pretend not to understand. Pay attention. What I am saying is that you may not cry Armenian victimhood even as you victimize Native americans by occupying and sitting on their lands and enjoying the fruits of their genocide. That, in common parlance, would be hypocrisy of an obscene sort. Now pay double attention : The shameless, rhinoceros-skinned Armenian slicks claim that Turkey should cede eastern Anatolia to them by virtue of the fact that Armenians were living there for 3 thousand years while Turkish people have come there only one thousand years ago and taken the land from the Armenians. Now pay triple attention, because I am going to use the same logic that you seem to have purchased from Garo Hagopian's carpet store located right next to Harut Zibidiyan's falafel shop. The Native peoples have been on the American continents, North, South and Central, not for a mere 3, but for THIRTY THOUSAND YEARS before you and the rest of the usurpers/occupiers/genociders/interlopers/colonizers/settlers/thieves came along. Now pay quadruple attention : Explain the difference between the claims of your poor, aggrieved Armenians and the claims of the Native americans. If anything, the Native American claims are far more solid by virtue of the fact that they have been here far longer and that no one disputes the fact of their genocide and the theft of their land. If you cannot explain the difference and still remain sitting on the stolen lands, then you should go and tell your Armenian sob stories to Marko Pasha. Enough with your silly BS and your childish ad hominem insults. I know of sixth graders with more cerebral acumen. Just tell us when you are returning the stolen land and paying that 40 acres and a mule to the descendants of the African slaves. Comprenez vous maintenant, Monsieur Serseriyan?
So essentially what you're saying Jakey poo, is that : Mexicans are Mestizo (Native American), Native Americans belong on Native American soil, therefore you must not live on Native American soil...essentially you are saying that "A is equal to A, but A is not equal to A". In logic we call this contradiction, something that even the most feebles minds can see and don't make errors with. Congratulations Jake, you are mediocre. Now I'm not gonna let a Turkish immigrant (which you are, I can tell from your writing style, you write oddly identical to Ergun and he has been known to sue aliases and non de plumes) tell me who is allowed in the Americas. Mexicans have a right to live in the US and Mexico, they have lived there for ages and under LEGAL documents and due to ancestry have the right to reside there. Armenians are legal immigrants (as opposed to illegal Turks in Europe, you know what you accuse Mexicans of) in the most situations and contribute well to the economy of the nationa they emigrate to. Hence, you're not a lawmaker, stop trying to push your decisions on everyone, this isn't Turkey, you're not Ataturk or the Sultan. Speaking of Goebbels, he used similar words about Jews that you use towards Armenians. Funny you know so well about him? Do you admire him Jackey?
That's very nice, Mr. Gagik Gagikiyan, but it matters not whether you are a Mestizo from Mexico or a Mosquito Armenian from Beirut or Tehran. You are an interloper sitting on the stolen lands of the Native Americans. You need to quit the stolen lands. Then you can come back to us and we will talk about your unctuous Armenian con artists about their being the "eternal victims". You may be a disciple following the teachings of Joseph Goebbels about the repetition of the Big Lie. But just remember what Abraham Guido Sarducci Lincoln once said : The cunning, Machiavellian Armenian flimflam artists may fool some of the people some of the time. They may fool most of the people most of the time. But they cannot fool all of the people all of the time. The jig is up, Senor Armenian Mestizoyan. Palabra is cheap. Just tell us when you and your interloping ilk are going to get off the lands you stole from the Native Americans.
Mexicans are a nationality, comprising of different groups. The predominant two being Mestizos (mixed Indian and European blood) and Native Americans. I know this is a hard concept for your to grasp, but try to peruse this properly : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos#Mexico Certainly more Native than you PRETEND to be (you're not fooling me with the Threefeathers, you're probably Turkish like half of the "Turkish supporters" on youtube who pretend to be Native American, English, Japanese, Mexican, Martian, etc.) with your...what 1/64 Cheyenne or whatever. Your ignorance is amusing, it's so fun to see you get mad while I'm enjoying my cigar and whiskey.
Mexicans are indigenous to the Americas? Yeah, just like your Armenian ilk are indigenous to Fresno, Glendale, Watertown, Pawtucket, Ottowa, Ho-Ho-Kus, Manitoba and Buenos Aires.
Awww, look at you so angry little boy. Can you attempt to reply like a REAL adult and try to not use logical fallacy. I know the Turkish Education system but be really hard up and can't afford spare any intellectual to teach you, because all the intellectuals get arrested for speaking of the Armenian Genocide *cough cough Orhan Pamuk*. For someone so accepting of other cultures, you seem awefully racist, you do know there is an entire world out there besides "Ermeni and Christians bad, Moslem Good, we have Turk blood, we come make conquer" right? I mean there are British, Irish, Greeks and Russians...oh wait, skip the last two, you fear them right? :P. Mexicans are Native Americans, tell you what, you go back to Central Asia, I'll go back to...wait my my, Mexicans are indigenous to the Americas, I guess I'll stay :D.
Hey, Einstein, you too should hang on to your day job. Sarcasm is not your forte. Guido Sarducci was a character on Saturday Night Live in the 1970s. But that's before your time, so you can be excused. Nonetheless, try to stick your thick skull out of your Armenian cocoon once in a while. You will find that there's a whole 'nother world out there. In the event, Guido Sarducci is as much an Armenian name as Guy Fawkes is a Mexican one. Comprenez vous, caballero? Quit with the BS and skedaddle out of the stolen lands of the Native Americans. Then we'll talk about the travails of those poor "starving Armenians".