Art Pedroza Launches New Orange County Politics Blog; "Faggots" Scandal Emerges

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Art Pedroza
[UPDATED 1-7-2012 with notes at the end.] For seven years up to 2010, Libertarian-leaning Art Pedroza often dominated Orange County's political blogosphere by breaking news and offering biting commentary on area politicians, journalists and activists.

Along the way, Pedroza picked up plenty of readers, fans and, of course, enemies--none more bitter than the folks at TheLiberalOC.com, who recently won a court-ordered financial settlement after a Pedroza prank** involving the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).

During TheLiberalOC mess, Pedroza handed his Orange Juice blog over to wine, uh, "connoisseur" Vern Nelson--a humorless, knee-jerk Democratic Party loyalist--who turned the once exciting website into a mind-numbingly boring, frothy fellatio party for liberal elected officials. Pedroza went on to create the New Santa Ana Blog that seemed to lessen his controversial impact on countywide politics as it touted stained, establishment players like Mayor Miguel Pulido.

But on Jan. 1, Pedroza emerged with his new, sure-to-be-entertaining enterprise: OCPoliticsBlog.com.

"My new blog will be informative and I am sure my sense of humor will pop up, but I am going to try to present OC politics in an informed and entertaining way -- and we'll steer clear of the nuttiness that was the old OJ blog," Pedroza said in a press statement.

Tensions between Pedroza and award-winning TheLiberalOC folks, who view their rival as a sellout to politicians like Pulido, are likely to continue, however.

Pedroza told me that, like in the past, he won't hesitate to challenge their "lame" opinions.

On Dec. 31, the battle intensified. Theo Hirsch--a musician and one of the feisty leaders*** of Occupy Santa Ana--called TheLiberalOC bloggers "a bunch of faggots" for suing Pedroza because he slyly diverted his rival's website readers to a NAMBLA website.

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Hirsch at an Occupy Santa Ana protest
"The 'liberal' OC has waged war and attack on Art's family and that's all there is to it!," Hirsch blogged. "If you had any heart or balls at all, you would either publicly humiliate Art yourselves, without using this stupid, paper pushing, bull shit system, or you would just simply confront him or try to be clever about sabotaging him for your own personal revenge. But no, you have to take the little, fucking gay boy, pussy route. What a tragedy! You guys are a bunch of fucking Faggots! And I don't mean that in the gay way at all. I am good friends with an array of homosexuals and I am a huge supporter of the gay community."

Chris Prevatt, the openly gay publisher of TheLiberalOC.com, said Hirsch is "entitled to his one-sided opinion" but isn't amused by his rhetoric.

"The use of the word 'faggot' is hate speech no matter what context it is written in," Prevatt told me in a telephone interview. "It demonstrates a lack of imagination and creativity on Theo's part. I would have expected more from a self-described artist."

Put on your helmets and flak jackets.

I'd say OC Blog War II has witnessed its first cannon fire.

[**Note 1: Dan Chmielewski at The LiberalOC says that Pedroza's actions were not a "prank," but a violation of law--a position he says was accepted by a federal judge who sided against Pedroza.]

[***Note 2: As far as I know, Theo Hirsch has never called himself a leader of Occupy Santa Ana. I described him generically as a leader based on the undeniable fact that during one of the group's major 2011 protests that I witnessed, Hirsch led a majority of the enthusiastic chants for the protestors as they marched through the city during a three-hour event. Whatever he calls himself, he is, in my view, one of the most vociferously, anti-establishment activists in Orange County. Few locals share his passionate determination for substantial political change.] 

--R. Scott Moxley / OC Weekly

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Theo Hirsch
Theo Hirsch

Hey I hear ya Colin and I even agree with you on some level, but Ithink my objective was not only to explain that Orange county trulyis devoid of liberalism (A message which the whiner alliance couldnot see on any level what so ever, because their minds were soflabbergasted, completely distracted and appalled by the term"faggot"), but it was to show how easily caught up peopleare on what doesn't really matter; making them even more devoid ofliberal mindedness. Filling the voids of our lives withmeaningless nonsense. It doesn't take much to figure out that Iam not a gay bashing, homophone and it would be really easy to findout, that in fact I embrace the gay community because I relate withmuch of what goes on in the gay community and many openly gay peopleare a ton of fun. In fact, if you know me at all, boring people neednot apply in my life. And if you don't like roller coaster rides or abig, fat, little, pussy, cry baby, don't even attempt to get to knowme because you'll probably just go home crying like the little bitchthat you are (addressing everyone, not just one person). In the gaycommunity you have little, cry baby, bitches and you have the moreopen minded ones (like all groups of people) who are always the funones.. And BTW, even if I am a gay bashing, homophobe, how does thisaffect any of you besides the fact that Scott Moxley addressed me asa "leader of the occupy movement"?  That's not myfault and I wish to hell he never wrote such things.

And BTW, the term“bitch” is now widely accepted as a mutli-sex term instead ofjust a female term. Prime example of what I am referring to here. Andthe term “faggot”, though probably behind the term “bitch” inthis sense, is on the exact same road as the term “bitch”. Itsmoving on from its bigoted past.

If you go to the urban dictionary you will see that these days usingthe term “faggot” is very much accepted by gay people andstraight people alike among each other. In fact it was just lastTuesday when one of my gay friends called me a Faggot. He said and Iquote: "Theo, you fucking Faggot"

Please read the link below:

http://www.urbandictionary.com...

Orange county is the kind of place where little cool or fun reallyever happens unless you create it yourself and people are ultraboring. IMO, This has much to do with a the white, republican,Christian, anal-retentive nature of the county, the same white,republican, Christian, anal-retentiveness, which obviously affects usall on one level or another. You become your surroundings no matterhow hard you try to avoid it, especially if you have a weak characterand especially if you were raised here; and finally, especially ifyou have close minded, ass hole parents (there are always exceptionsto every rule and I think many people I associate with are exceptionsto the rule).

Therefore, being that this county is so superficial in nature and soGoddamn boring on so many levels, it becomes this constant struggleto stimulate our lives and we end up looking for mind stimulation inthe wrong areas. Whether negative or positive emotional response, welook for it whether we want to admit it or not. Its really easy tofocus your energy on a guy like me because I am an easy targetbecause I challenge the lameness of this county everyday; BRING IT ONMOTHER FUCKERS. In fact one of the only reasons I even live in thispizza pan deep thinking, white, Christian, cesspool is because Itruly is entertaining (in sort of a sad way) watching people squirmover what in the scheme of things, doesn't even matter. Is that mean?

I met Scott Moxley and even sat down with him and Madeline at herhouse for dinner. He immediately thought I was some gay bashing,Homophobe right off the bat and even had to make it clear withMadeline that I wasn't some skin head, Nazi because of my manner ofspeech.. He obviously still thinks that on some level... But my pointis its much easier to judge just because your mind lacks mindstimulation and open mindedness from your surrounding culture. Idon't blame Scott for judging me that way, but on the same token heshould have been at ease on some level at least, knowing thatMadeline doubtfully would invite a skin headed, Nazi, gay basher intoher home for Tea and Strumpets. When your surrounding culture lacksappropriate, stimulation and open mindedness for a well balancelifestyle, we end up dreaming up all sorts of shit to fill in thevoids of our meaningless lives.

Madeline, coming froma very stubborn activist for free expression in a very oppressivesociety, I can't disagree with your statements and quotes. And it wasjust a few weeks ago that a Gay, Mexican called me “white fuck”.He told me “to get out of Santa Ana”. He told me I am just “someuseless white boy who straggled into town”, among many other“inflammatory remarks” (I hate using the term inflammatory inreference to any term, it just seems almost oxymoronic).

Racism and prejudice still bleed America, perhaps as much as everand we are stuck on this issue. America is not ready to move on fromits bigoted, racist past. We still forget what's really going on,just by me uttering the word “faggot” (Lets not forget whichcounty we are in)

People are fucking bored...

In short, who thefuck cares if I used the term Faggot?

Obviously a lot ofpeople.

Meanwhile your kid isout robbing the local liquor store and your local politicians arewriting another oppressive law to keep the people down.

Priorities, priorities...

Most of you on this email exchange know me. And you know usuallyI will back down from my position when people present an argumentworth replacing with mine. On this issue I don't think its going tohappen.

But good question Maddy, where do we begin?

Thanks,

Theo

Madeleine Spencer
Madeleine Spencer

What is personal is political

 

Staff writer Brian Charles, from the SanGabriel Tribune, recently wrote and article touting “Occupy Rose Paradeleader has questionable past,” singling out a man called Thottam whose historyinvolves petty theft, a suspended law license and affiliation to what is calledthe 9/11 Truther movement—activists claiming there was United States governmentand media complicity in the 9/11 attackson the world trade center. Writer, Brian Charles found this evidence byfollowing Thottam’s activities as well as coverage in recent blogs and in themedia.

Recently, Author and Investigative Reporter, Scott Moxely, of the OC Weekly, covering local politics, wrotean article entitled “Art Pedroza Launches New Orange County Politics Blog;"Faggots" Scandal Emerges.” In this article he quoted Santa Ana communitymember, Theo Hirsch, who he, likeBrian Charles, referred to as “one of the feisty leaders of Occupy Santa Ana.” Moxley’s articlecritiques Theo’s prejudicial use of rhetoric in a blog. Moxley uses aninterviewee to educate and chastise Theo as well as the public that this typeof rhetoric is" hate speech no matter what context it is written in.”

There are three points I wish to make regarding these statements. First, theMedia’s use of the word “leaders” in reference to the  Occupy Movement, Second, the problem ofprejudice, and third, the question of character verses personality.

Regarding leadership the Occupy movement has been clear: This is aleaderless movement. There are no talking heads and in the Occupy movement, Weare all leaders.  The recognitionthat We are all leaders represents real praxis—to practice, embody,engage and realize what it is to participate in the process of collectivedecision making—and it has an extensive history.

The Occupy movement forms consciousness-raising meetings aimed atpoliticizing the various forms of oppression occurring both publicly and inprivate. Individual’s tired of being excluded from the inner circles ofleadership where the issues and demands are being decided for them. Individualswho are tired of the generalized hypocrisy regarding the myriad stereotyped rolessociety engenders. For this reason, consciousness-raising eschews formalleadership so that each persons experience and opinion has equal value.

Consciousness-raisinghas also the heart and soul of many activist movements. The process of sharing storieswith fellow participants in a free environment helps individuals to liberatethemselves. Leaderless movements have been shown to have helped liberate manyfrom the fetters of ignorance regarding issues of race, gender, and sexualityin this country, and are fundamentally changing the way we relate to each otheras individuals. All this, without any centralized leadership.

As a group, the Occupy movement works daily to respect the Principles of Unity—reflecting anti-authoritarian,and an anti-discriminatory orientation. Occupy movements within each localeestablish their own set of organizational practices. Locales, and the virtualOccupy communities in cyberspace, are associated according to a simple yetpowerful point of unity: “The one thing we all have in common is that those ofus who have gathered have pledged that we will no longer tolerate the greed andcorruption that is rampant in the government and the corporate industrial complexwhich has cut out the majority of the countries citizenry in our Republicsdecision making process.”

Working together we all learn everydayand the Occupy movement can rightly be called an experimental laboratory forparticipatory democracy. It is my personal hope that individuals willcontinuously learn to challenge themselves to speak, write, believe, protest,assemble and live with integrity. We are all leaders, here and all need topractice what we preach. This brings me to the difficult problem of prejudice.

And I have known the eyes already, known them all—        55

Theeyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,

Andwhen I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,

WhenI am pinned and wriggling on the wall,

Thenhow should I begin

Tospit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?

 

I love these lines from T.S. Eliot’spoem The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock,every time someone uses a word that is meant to reify someone as any “hatespeech” does,  I recognize this as thefeeling described in this poem of being pinned, like a bug to the wall.

 

Prejudice is making an inaccurate judgment or assumptionabout someone or something. Prejudice as seen in language, as the use ofderogatory terms that make objects out of people or a person because of race,social class, ethnicity, age, disability, obesity, religion, sexualorientation, or other personal characteristics. Prejudice is an ill informed beliefabout individuals without knowledge of the facts.  Prejudice is unreasonable, uneducated, and theproduct of irrationality, moreover; prejudice can be extremely scary when violentcrimes against individual are perpetrated because, under the guise of this reificationof individuals, one is at a loss to see the humanity of the individuals who arebeing assaulted.

Prejudice and discrimination instead of bringing orholding people together, push them apart. Ironically, it still holds people insome sort of relationship, however negative the relationship may be. When thereis any relationship at all--even a negative one--there is some integration. Yetthis form of integration is that which is achieved through hatred, fear, andthe threat of a common enemy"(Boulding, 1989, p. 62).  I have seen the use of this language as acommon currency in the myriad blogs being written between individuals, andtheir politicians, within this community. It is very disheartening as it makesme question the crises in the communities search for justice and equality whichonly begins with a force of integrity and character held in its leaders wereonce thought to model this integrity.

Ralph Waldo Emerson said it best, in his essay “TheNominalist and the Realist” where he stated:

Greatmen or men of great gifts you shall easily find, but symmetrical men never.When I meet a pure intellectual force or a generosity of affection, I believehere then is man; and am presently mortified by the discovery that thisindividual is no more available to his own or to the general ends than hiscompanions; because the power which drew my respect is not supported by thetotal symphony of his talents. All persons exist to society by some shiningtrait of beauty or utility which they have. We borrow the proportions of theman from that one fine feature, and finish the portrait symmetrically; which isfalse, for the rest of his body is small or deformed. I observe a person whomakes a good public appearance, and conclude thence the perfection of hisprivate character, on which this is based; but he has no private character. Heis a graceful cloak or lay-figure for holidays. All our poets, heroes, andsaints, fail utterly in some one or in many parts to satisfy our idea, fail todraw our spontaneous interest, and so leave us without any hope of realizationbut in our own future. Our exaggeration of all fine characters arises from thefact that we identify each in turn with the soul. But there are no such men aswe fable; no Jesus, nor Pericles, nor Caesar, nor Angelo, nor Washington, suchas we have made. We consecrate a great deal of nonsense because it was allowedby great men. There is none without his foible. I verily believe if an angelshould come to chant the chorus of the moral law, he would eat too muchgingerbread, or take liberties with private letters, or do some precious atrocity.It is bad enough that our geniuses cannot do anything useful, but it is worsethat no man is fit for society who has fine traits. He is admired at adistance, but he cannot come near without appearing a cripple. The men of fineparts protect themselves by solitude, or by courtesy, or by satire, or by anacid worldly manner, each concealing as he best can his incapacity for usefulassociation…

We live in an age where personality has become moreimportant than character and the asymmetrical character of individuals is nolonger even hidden, we see the corruption everywhere, we see it when it comesand there is no one who is immune.

 Scott Moxley besidesbeing an excellent writer who exposes injustice throughout this county was myneighbor, and a man that I have broken bread with. Theo Hirsh besides being anmusical artist, political activist is my friend and a man I have known foryears, I look forward to a different kind of world, and I know both of yougentlemen have much to contribute. My question is where, gentlemen, we begin.

 

Madeleine Spencer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vern
Vern

Okay, people.  I'm the last one here.  I'm turning out the lights.  I'm going home.  It was fun.  Let's do it again some time.  Happy New Year one and all.

LapBandDan
LapBandDan

So here's the deal. I checked with Matt Cunningham today (like I usually do), he said, the best course of action is to publically ignore these comments, just like I did when I got caught sending harassing packages to Mill. You won't see a peep from me on this.

Then Tonight and tomorrow hopefully things cool down, a new story comes up an dthen I'll publish 8 or 10 bullshit articles on the LOC.

In the meantime Matt and I will post here as Occupythis. Over at the the new blog, I have already begun harassing art as "TheLongTimeReader" (thats total hypocrisy on my part!), hopefully Dawn doesn't come out in the garage and hopefully for matt, Laura doesn't find out he's dealing with that "filthy pervert" Chris Prevatt.

So go ahead guys laugh all you want, I AM A PR PROFESSIONAL.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

R. Scott,I'm not sure if I owe you an apology or an explanation or need to ask you a question or two or what, but this just came to my attention from Sean Mill, so I thought I should address it (and it might as well be done publicly).  Sean wrote in a New Santa Ana comment, in which I'll embed my own commentary:

"Unlike Dan, Chris and perhaps you now too, I don't spend my day harassing journalists and politicians via telephone or email."

(GD: Actually I don't do this, although you'll see below that others clearly do.)

"The OJ is a train wreck and I'll let your writing speak for itself. Your endless blather paints a better picture of what a mess that blog is than anything I could ever say."

(GD: Just noting here that you have no independent basis for judging, so you shouldn't take his word on it.  We'd love to have you stop by and poke around.  Note that we include a lot of things that are tossed off just for fun as well as our more serious writing.)

"I'll admit that I did talk to Mox last night but that was only after he called me to ask who the hell Greg Diamond was. He had heard that "Greg Diamond was coming for him" and thought maybe you were one of Carona's henchman or one of the real bad guys he has taken on in the past. When he found out who you were he just laughed and laughed hard."

GD: So the funny thing is that he DID talk to you -- as I had suggested -- but that's no big deal.  What I find interesting is the following:

    (1) someone told you that "Greg Diamond is coming for you!"    (2) you apparently believed it enough to call an, um, credible source like Sean Mill    (3) you didn't try to contact me.  Sean does have my number, after all, which he got from Art for purposes I will not describe now other than to say that if I can be considered either a journalist or a politician it could be described as harassing one of them by phone.    (4) you thought I might be a bad guy or henchman, which is indeed a testament to your having made good enemies over the years -- the problem here seems to be your "friends"    (5) whatever Sean told you about me made you "laugh and laugh hard"

For the record, I was not "coming for you."  Whoever told you that was lying and using you.  I'd love to know who they were, but not as much as I'd love for you to give them due desserts.  Until yesterday, I've simply enjoyed (and usually but not invariably agreed with) your writing and knew that there was some beef between you and Vern over your having apparently taken an unusually credulous approach to Righeimer's anti-union & pro-crony capitalism agenda.  What I found out yesterday is that you took a gratuitous (and apparently ignorant) swipe at the local blog where I write (as opposed to the national one) based on the whisperings of some Iago, which given its presence in a story buttering up the once-tolerable and later-unbearable Art Pedroza I take it probably came from the "entertaining" blog entrepreneur himself.  So I smacked back, as is customary and proper in the blogosphere when someone trashing you without apparently -- and in your case, literally -- knowing who you are.

Listening to your "he's coming for you!" source was mistake #1; calling Sean for info was mistake #2.  Not calling me -- despite that your sources knew how to contact me -- was probably not your mistake, exactly; you were just being used and fell for it.  On the bright side, it has led us to get to know each other in this charming way.  Thinking I was a bad guy -- again, this speaks well of you, although why your "he's coming for ya!" source left you with that impression is something you might best take up with him.  (I think it's pretty cruel, myself.)  As for laughing hard at what Sean told you -- well, I have no idea what Sean told you, so maybe that wasn't a mistake either -- but I'd be happy to explain who I am better, I expect, than he did. If you laugh, you laugh; at least you'll be laughing at the truth.

As for reaching me: I'm on the DPOC Executive Committee and E-Board, for which I emphatically do not speak.  (I have a reputation as somewhat of a malcontent, I'm afraid, partly because I'm not obsequious towards those who you charmingly describe as "stained, Establishment players.")  You no doubt have some contacts there; I would be easy for you to track down.

Good luck dealing with your little friends from Santa Ana, who paint you in such a flattering light.  They're just precious, aren't they?

KC
KC

I used to go to open mic @ Malones.  Hirsch and his "entourage" sort of ran the thing. It had potential.  Saw some really interesting performance art, musical artists etc there.  It might have taken off if there wasn't so much animosity, bloated egos and downright backbiting.  We never participated because of this.The thing is that I know Hirsch is not homophobic because he ran the open mic with a very "out" transgender (who was, by the way, just as insufferable as Hirsch).  But he's got quite a mouth on him, no filters and a borderline temper.  Its too bad because it seems that Occupy Santa Ana has never really taken off because of this as well. Using the word "faggot" to denigrate someone is just not cool.  Just another filterless, thoughtless outburst. Yawn.

Ergo
Ergo

Disappointing! I loved Moxley for dishing it out daily (and praised him for it), but apparently he is not nearly as sharp when his work is criticised.Almost all Moxley posts here completely avoid the substance and are pure ad-hominem attacks and kindergarten level retorts.I still have a glimmer of hope that he can rise above the bitter old Weakling presented here. At least, he has (finally) started replying using his own name.

Sean
Sean

Mox you are the preeminent investigative journalist in the area, these folks can ask Mike Carona and his cronies about that.

Keep up the good work and don't lose too much sleep over what bloggers with an inflated sense of self importance think. 

junior
junior

Hirsch - Say to the Cheshire Cat, the Mad Hatter and the Red Queen for me.

junior
junior

Happy New Year Vern.  We will keep a candle burning for Theo to show up and apologize like a man should when he is wrong - but apparenly he wussed out.

Vern
Vern

ESPECIALLY "Jewball," huh?

OccupyThis
OccupyThis

Theo is a hater. That is for certain

R. Scot Moxley
R. Scot Moxley

"ERGO," we both know the reason why you've tried to mask your identity as you lob your nonsense helps explain your present, unfavorable personal condition.

OccupyThis
OccupyThis

Good to know Sean can get steady work Asa fluffer if that gig at Advantage Title doesn't work out.

Vern
Vern

People are not always exactly who they were 10 or 20 years ago, Sean.  Scott has changed, and not for the better.

But I know his support and approval are convenient to you right now.  Enjoy it while it lasts.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

You're right, Sean -- he has done great investigative work.  And, by getting seduced by Art (and, if you had a hand in it, you) to be a PR venue for Art's new Libertarian vanity project, he's squandering it.  Eventually he's actually going to read what you guys have been writing and what others of us have been writing and will come to understand that his pocket has been picked and he's squandering a (mostly) great reputation.  It happens to a lot of journalists when they move from crime/investigations into political reporting, where the flattery from knaves comes thick.

I think I can speak for most bloggers involved in saying that I love being accused of having "an inflated sense of self-importance" by Sean Mill, which is sort of like being called corrupt by Newt Gingrich.  Hey, Moxley -- do you want to know why Sean Mill just said (in New Santa Ana comments) that I have an "inflated sense of self-importance"?  Because I wanted to publish Michele Martinez's responses to a softball candidate survey verbatim.  Seriously, that's the kind of suck-ups you have in the circle at your frothy party.

OccupyThat
OccupyThat

Kind of fun to see Pedroza's face next to the headline "faggot scandal". Fitting. Fitting.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Yikes!  That name is clever without being at all funny.  (And yes, I do know about "Jubal.")

JEWBALL
JEWBALL

What does that make Laura?

Ergo
Ergo

As stated above, I was hoping for more than yet another kindergarten level retort here.This is is much worse.

Moxley is again trying to avoid the substance with presonal attacks.This time Moxley is stupidly trying with false and irrelevant innuendo:-- That I "tried to mask my identity". It never happened, and would be irrelevant for this subject even if it did. Perhaps you should put down that bong when posting.-- That my presonal condition is "unfavorable".Thanks for best wishes, but I am, as always, in great condition personally. Ms. Moxley-Cleo, sounds like you need a new and improved crystal ball.

Needless to say, this is my last reply to personal attacks such as this one.

Vern
Vern

Wow, Scott, you really ARE incoherent when unedited.  I feel better about myself as a writer, the longer this thread continues.

Carry on...

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Scott is as great now as he's ever been. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded beyond belief.

Vern: I'll be honest with you—I barely read Orange Juice anymore. I think you're a funny writer with good insights and scoops, but in terms of offering good coverage of county issues, the blog overall went by the wayside long ago. And Greg Diamond, whom I've never met, reminds me of that "Centrist OC" writer, save the psychosis.

junior
junior

If I related my life to you - you would probably have to "end it all" for yourself, you would be that jealous.  So sorry, I cannot have the responsibility of your final despair on my conscience.

Anon
Anon

So it is okay for you to "ironically" use that offensive word...GOT IT!

junior
junior

It was a bit of ironic in-your-face using his own word against him humor.

I had to explain that to you ???

Anon
Anon

junior,

I thought you believed it was wrong to use that word.  What happened?

Theo Hirsch
Theo Hirsch

Proud to be a faggot, especially coming from a Goddamn, loser, piece of shit with no life outside of Orange county blogs like yourself.

Get a life, dude... Its a nickles worth of free advice. get out of the house, go on a date, get some pussy, buy a prostitute, open your mind to the real world you pizza pan deep thinking, Orange county douche.

Seriously

Get a life.

junior
junior

That must be true if a faggot like you says it is.

Vern
Vern

Well, it's still up.  I flagged it again, using a different browser.  Do they like that kind of stuff here?

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Please, Vern: I only use the name "The Jewish Diamond" when wrestling professionally.

Vern
Vern

See, that's the New Santa Ana Troll - today calling himself not only LapBandDan but also JEWBALL in all caps - to try to drag Cunningham who has nothing to do with this into the discussion, and also try to piss off the Jewish Diamond.  We all know who it really is - he posted here once under his real name.  He's ten times more poisonous than Dan's "Occupy This" guy.

I just flagged a comment of his up above, where he talks about Matt's wife's uterus and calls her the gang bang queen of 2002 and more.  You think they'll leave it up here, just because Moxley hates Cunningham?

Vern
Vern

Laura who, Jewball?

R. Scott Moxley
R. Scott Moxley

Always remember what a loved one advised: No histrionics!

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Ah, but you've used many pseudonyms, so spare us the righteous outrage act. Shall I publish your IP address as proof?

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

So, again, if you could clarify -- this "R. Scot" IS your "R. Scott," or an implied impostor?

Ergo
Ergo

Hello Weakly-Genius-in-Chief:

Using a pseudonym is NOT equal to being a sock puppet.Get yourself a dictionary, or see http://justfuckinggoogleit.com...

If you can't stand the heat of public opinion, crying room is down the hall.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

I know who the sock puppets are here, and Ergo is a laughable example of one. None of us Weeklings use pseudonyms—we're not cowards like Ergo.

Vern
Vern

I note, with Scott, an alarming paranoia reminiscent of Dan, Art and Sean.  Does blogging do that to people?  He sees old enemies behind each anonymous name, and like the typical paranoid he's usually way off base.  Like in Dickens, he is visited by Ghosts of Blog-Attacks Past.  He really thinks me and Diamond would put up 20 comments each, saying exactly what we mean, and then bother to throw in an extra couple under sock puppet identities.  Lord, protect me from that fate.

OccupyThat
OccupyThat

Only Paul Lucas spells "publicly" "publically".

JEWBALL
JEWBALL

Because Mr. Pringle will kick him out if he gets caught. Then he'll be back in Suite C, where there is know way I could defend homosexuals, as my wife has publically led the charge against them marrying.

Now that he has to "work" for a living and the payout for selling his soul to the devil in the form of defending child rapists, the poster needs to protect his identity.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

Now why would the author of this comment hide their identity?

OccupyThis
OccupyThis

And Vern, you are completely incoherent by 4 pm after a gallon of cheap wine. Slurrrr away babbbeeeeeeeeee

Vern
Vern

Gustavo DID read that story, back when I wrote it.  He read it twice, and commented six or seven times.  Alas, his stubborn loyalty to his star reporter seemed to outweigh his objectivity with the facts.

At the time I was hoping Scott would get on and really have a lively debate.  But I guess that would have been lowering himself.  So instead he's brooded about it for ten months and probably given himself ulcers.  Until yesterday's explosion.

Vern
Vern

'Tavo, it's nice that you think I'm a funny writer, and I'm glad hundreds of readers disagree with you on the value of OJ 2.0.

But don't you know, your start journalist just added "humorless" to his profile of me.  (Maybe a half-assed way for him to say "Hey I was just joking!")  Theres' ANOTHER thing I've never been called - humorless!  I'm now "a humorless, knee-jerk Democratic Party loyalist."

Round up ALL the humorless knee-jerk Democrat loyalists in this county - and there are quite a few - and I'll still be left free on my own recognizance - free to drive a car drunk into Scott's front yard while making a hilarious joke about Frank Barbaro!

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

E-i-C: Can you confirm whether this is in fact R. Scott Moxley writing in this section?  I just noticed that "Scott" is missing a "t," suggesting that this is either him being sloppy or someone (possibly not him) using it as a pseudonym.  You'd be able to find out; if someone is trying to imply that they're your writer, I hope that you'll put a stop to it.

Greg Diamond
Greg Diamond

He's as great an investigative reporter as ever, sure.  No one's disputing that.

The issues at hand, Editor-in-Chief, are these:

- the Weekly's coverage of the Righeimer-led fiasco in Costa Mesa, which Moxley seems to think is about existing police pensions, but which Vern (and others at Orange Juice, me included) are pointing out is much more and much worse.  I can see how a libertarian anti-public union position could lead you to slant news in favor of Riggy and Co., but you still have to be expect to be held to basic standards of fairness and truth.  With the charter being rushed through (I hope that you, like we, are covering tonight's dog and pony show on rushing through the charter from the City Government, which will not brook public dissent there), this will be a growing issue over the next while.  Go read Moxley's story and Vern's rebuttal and time how long it takes you to get embarrassed.

- the Weekly using its resources to prominent promote serial fibber, distorter, and self-serving Moxley-polisher Art Pedroza's new blogging enterprise, because it will be entertaining and Matt-Drudgesque in its feisty meanness.  Have you read New Santa Ana lately?  Hey, it's your right to use your publication (or to let it be used) as you like, but again you shouldn't expect not to face withering criticism.

I've never heard of the Centrist OC before now; let me check it out. ... OK, stop internet censorship, good; Hitchens encomium, eh (he was a bigot and an asshole in person); anti-secrecy, good; anti-prop 8, good; special place in hell for Art Pedroza due to coverage of Noah Krom death, I didn't read it but I'd probably agree.  Sounds OK by me -- what part of all that do you disagree with?  (Thanks for the "save the psychosis" part!)

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