Irvine and Santa Ana (Yes, That Santa Ana) are Dueling Safest Cities in America

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UPDATE, DEC. 20, 12:39 P.M.: My morning coffee obviously had not kicked in yet when I posted the original version of this item on Irvine and Santa Ana appearing on dueling lists of the safest cities in America. For, had I been fully awake, I would not have read right over Mission Viejo being ranked the No. 3 safest city in the nation among metropolitan areas with populations of 75,000-99,000, according to CP Press, whose scores are based on violent crimes reported. As previously noted, Lake Forest was No. 9 in that category. Mission Viejo and Lake Forest are Orange County Sheriff's Department contract cities.

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ORIGINAL POST, DEC. 20, 10:02 A.M.: Once again, Irvine has been deemed the safest city in America, and you even get a sense at what a forgone conclusion that is in a Dec. 8 release that begins with Mayor Sukhee Kang saying, "Although we have been the safest city in the U.S. for communities of more than 100,000 for many years now, we do not take it for granted."

However, the online version of Forbes does not include Irvine among its separate list of the top 10 safest cities in America. The financial mag does have another Orange County city at No. 4, and you'll never guess which one.

It's Santa Ana, the county seat with one of the highest concentrations of Spanish speakers in America, generally the most murders among OC's 34 incoporated cities, and average family household incomes that were iffy before the country's economic downturn--certainly more in all three areas than upscale Irvine.

Here's the Forbes entry:

#4 Santa Ana, CA
Car fatality rank: 4
Violent crime rank: 11

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Forbes employs a different methodology than CQ Press, which on Dec. 8 released its annual publication City Crime Rankings 2011-2012: Crime in Metropolitan America. That report ranked Irvine No. 1 at reporting less crime than any American city with a population exceeding 100,000, up from No. 3 the previous year. Orange is at No. 9.

In cities with 75,000 to 99,000 population, Lake Forest comes in at No. 9 in the CQ rankings. Combine those cities with metropolitan areas with more than 100,000 people, and Irvine comes in at No. 6 overall. The CQ analysis relies on murder, rape, robbery, burglary, aggravated assault and motor vehicle theft data to calculate its rankings. As noted above, Forbes factors in those violent crimes and car fatalities.

Days after the CQ rankings were announced, Irvine issued a second release heralding preliminary findings in an FBI report that show the city has the lowest per capita violent crime rate in the nation among cities with populations over 100,000. And that rate--which calculates murders, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults--was down 8 percent from the previous year in Irvine, city officials note.

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Sondra
Sondra

I love where we live in Santa Ana, and the diversity it affords. I feel extremely safe in our neighborhood. We know all of our neighbors, and regularly keep a look out for one another. Santa Ana is a large city so, yeah, there are parts that are much worse than others, but our area is clean and safe. We have neighbors of all ethnic backgrounds and walks of life. I wouldn't dream of living any other way.

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Damelas2
Damelas2

I think the data are skewed. I live in Santa Ana so I think I would know better than Forbes. The fact is that many of our residents simply do not report crime as readily as others might. This is partly do to language barriers, fear of deportation from victims of crime that are undocumented, and even cultural reasons such as not trusting the police. Nonetheless I thing its remarkable that given the socioeconomic makeup of the city the numbers are what they are even giving consideration to the above.

bikecommuter
bikecommuter

I was jumped and robbed by 6 people while riding my bicycle through Santa Ana, the detective handling the case said it has happened twice more in the same area in less than 1 month...and those are the people who are able to report it.  The responding officer told me that is was my fault for riding a bicycle through Santa Ana.SANTA ANA is not safe!

Gilberto Torres
Gilberto Torres

Makes me wonder what other cities are  like. lol.By the way, mentioning that Santa Ana has a high population of Mexican's, undocumented immigrants, or even Spanish speaking people is irrelevant to this article. The reason this is, is because violent crime is committed by all races, all ages (except infants), in all countries, by all people. Being a specific race or talking any language other than English, does not make a person more prone to violence.

James
James

They must have confused Tustin with Santa Ana.

Newportblue65
Newportblue65

Santa Ana safe !....Sure it is.......Ask anybody !........

Francisco Franco
Francisco Franco

Santa Ana is known as Becerrolandia!! The people are becerros.

junior
junior

How do Santa Ana crime stats compare to other Orange County cities?  Probably not so good.

paperboi
paperboi

go walk around 1st and Jackson (even during the day) or almost any where in santa ana and see if you believe forbes rating.

Jmcguinness
Jmcguinness

I'm not sure why Spanish speakers is mentioned in this article. Does that have something to do with safety OC Weekly? If a busioness owner said that you would be all over them.

beaUtifUl_Santanera
beaUtifUl_Santanera

Irvine is full of uptight racist white people. Of course its safe they call the police if they see anyone thats not caucasian!

Im from santa ana and no its not that safe... but at least we have back bones & are both book and street smart!

V Meza
V Meza

Wow some of you retards just cant accept the fact that Santa Ana made it on here, its not that bad of a city!

Johan Moreno
Johan Moreno

Exactly! Also, Hispanics have tough skin. They get robbed, they don't go and cry about it to the police! They just move along in life.

Jmcguinness
Jmcguinness

Really? I ride my bike to work through Santa Ana every day and have neaver had the slightest problem. Where did this assault take place? I would like to look it up on the crime reporting map.

Damelas2
Damelas2

It is relevant. It is proven that people of certain socioeconomic backgrounds are less likely to report crime. I'm of Mexican decent and I live in Santa Ana. I understand the phenomena.

mitch young
mitch young

I don't get this whole becerro expression -- is it a Mexican thing? What is wrong with calves? 

chicano studies is a joke
chicano studies is a joke

street smart? is that mexican code for being book stupid?... heres a tip on how to be street smart.. make lots of money and  live in a neighborhood with no mexicans and you will be safe and sound... on the other hand, i guess santa ana is the beverly hills for mexicans so never mind. lol

Spokker
Spokker

Johan, one problem with Hispanic communities is that they are less likely to talk to police. In areas where the community has opened up to law enforcement, crimes have gone down. One reason for this is distrust of police. Another is fear that the reporter will be deported. I'm against illegal immigration but I don't think the police ask for your papers when you report a crime. It's better to report it.

Another is a cultural thing. No snitching. This is the worst problem. We need to eradicate this principle from our culture. 

bikecommuter
bikecommuter

Where can I find a copy of the crime reporting map?

bikecommuter
bikecommuter

Santa Ana River Trail. Happened October 29.

Caccamo
Caccamo

May I have a link to these "statistics"?

Emitravis
Emitravis

Wow...I never thought I'd read anything like this in a non-sarcastic way. Wait...my sentence was too complex, let me re-phrase: I never thought anyone could be so ignorant to actually write a sentence like this one and seriously mean it. Wait, I think it's still too complicated: you're very ignorant and should not be allowed to comment on the internet, as everything you say is damaging to both logic and common sense.  Get it? Let me know if I can make it easier for you ;)

Gilberto Torres
Gilberto Torres

First of, i can safely assume you are a complete moron with that user name. So before i even waste my time responding to your comment, i would like to know if you have any form of higher education? An AA degree or even 3 units at a community college is fine. Anything?

Johan Moreno
Johan Moreno

Wait, which trails are we talking about here? LOL I was referencing to the Peter's Canyon Trail stretch in Irvine near the Marketplace and a stretch of trail near Irvine Blvd and Culver Drive.

Jmcguinness
Jmcguinness

The original post said that the cop knew of two other times in the past month this had happened which makes me think they would have been reported. Reading carefully helps.

Jmcguinness
Jmcguinness

Really, the unlit river trail in Irvine?

Johan Moreno
Johan Moreno

Actually, several of the walking/biking trails in Irvine is rather popular around that time during the weekend.

Jmcguinness
Jmcguinness

I meabnt 8:00 pm Saturday night on the river trail.

Jmcguinness
Jmcguinness

Sorry, I saw the record of the assault. It didn't occur to me that someone would be riding their bike at 8:00 P.M. on a Saturday night. There are no other records of crimes for the month preceeding your assault. You didn't mention the night part. I wouldn't do that in Irvine or Santa Ana. The info is available on crimemapping.com.

Spokker
Spokker

Gilberto, statistically speaking, the strongest predictor of crime in an area is ethnicity, even have you control for things like income, poverty, education and unemployment. 

Now, these are just what the statistics say. You may have other arguments for why this is, but "chicano studies is a joke" is technically correct. 

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