President Barack Obama Wins Again! Birthers Orly Taitz and Wiley Drake Lose Appellate Bid

Don

This is typical of Orange County. I moved here a few years ago from the Midwest, and a lot of these folks are rabidly Republican. I even had a boss put hands on me, because I'm a Democrat! I just accept that a lot of Orange County Republicans are ignorant, stubborn, unreasonable, mean spirited, violent and crazy. All the above, proves my point. President Obama finally released his birth certificate, but not even that's not good enough for the birthers. And as far as an Orange County minister asking for prayer so President Obama dies, that is sick. I'm a Christian, was never a fan of George Bush, but I never wished the man any harm. Like I stated above: Orange County Republicans: sick, sick, sick.

redr

obama ABOVE THE LAW AS USUAL!!

Haviva

Let's find a reason to deport her butt!

RotalSnart

The "perenial loser" just WON!

Obama has to turn over the documents!!!!

The ninth circuit is not in DC.

Had enough

Alright Main Stream media, you are so quick to demonize anyone that asks legitimate questions let's see you do some real journalistic investigative reporting for once and revist obama's eligibility. The TRUTH MSM, that is all we want. Not your propagation

Had enough

Any American Citizen that doesn't question obama's constitutional eligibility and citizenship is either too stupid to think for themselves, doesnt' care that they have an illegal president, doesn't care about the health of this nation, and are not qualified to vote. Stay away from the ballot box.

Sharpatti

I sure hope their not using my tax dollars to fund this crap!! Can't they come up with anything better...this is getting old and even worse makes the GOP look pretty darn stupid!

Laffin'_at_'em

Where in the world can we get free entertainment as good as Orly Taitz?

Oh, yeah.... the entire lineup of GOP clowns is pretty close.

James

If Obama was 100% white, we wouldn't be having this type of discussion.

Marc Morin

If I'm not mistaken, Hawaii became the 50th US state on August 21, 1959, and Obama's brith certificate (both long & short form), indicate he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, nearly two years after Hawaii's statehood. Guess what birthers? Obama was born in a US state, so that makes him a US citizen!

Besides, it's my understanding that anyone born in Hawaii prior to 8/21/59--when it was a US territory--are ALSO considered US Citizens. Therefore, even if Obama was born prior to Hawaii's statehood (let's hypthetically say he was born 8/20/59, at 11:59p.m.), he'd STILL be an American Citizen!

Furthermore, John McCain--you know, the patriotic, true-blooded, red-white-blue, All-American guy, that really should've won the '08 presidential election--was born in a former, US territory: the Panama Canal Zone (nobody bitched & griped about McCain's birth/citizenship status)!

"Ah, but Obama's father was from Kenya, therefore that secretly makes Obama a Kenyan citizen!" is one of the battle cries, of these birthers. WRONG! Kenya was STILL a British colony at the time of Barak Obama's birth, not achieving independence from the UK, until December 12, 1963. I say old chap! I guess that makes Obama's father a bloody Limey! Pip, pip, cheerio!

According to my American-born, Jewish friends, in addition to their American citizenship, they also have the right to Israeli citizenship. Yet that doesn't necessarily mean they'll opt for Israeli citizenship, and neither does it secretly make them Israeli citizens! Assuming Obama could opt for British or Kenyan citizenship, do birthers consider the possibility, that he opted to refuse them, and remain an American citizen? Besides, despite being born in the Canal Zone, do we know whether or not John McCain is really secretly Panamanian (see third paragraph)?

Alas, trying to convince birthers of their falacy, is like trying to nail Jell-O to a tree. I guess for the birthers "denial" is a river in Egypt (hey at least, like Kenya, it's in Africa). ;-)

Bob Squalonero

I like what you said, and I'd like to add something that (sort of?) dovetails with your comments.

Back in the '80's, Regan was President, and because of his tough stance on illegal immigrants, Immigration (aka "La Migra") conducted raids on illegal/undocumented aliens that were in the US. During those raids, La Migra did a very heartless & dastardly deed: They broke up families!

Why would La Migra do such a cold-blooded act? According to US citizenship regs, anyone born in the US--regardless of the citizenship of the parents--IS CONSIDERED AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. Consequently, because the parents of these American-born child were illegal/undocumented aliens, they were deported back to their country of origin. BUT, because the children of these people were born on US soil, they were American citizens, and got to stay in the "good ole US of A"!

How this relates to President Obama, is that, as you mentioned, he was born in Hawaii, which at the time of his birth, was a US state for nearly two years. That means, regardless of his father's Kenyan/British citizenhip, the fact that Obama was born in a US state, he was born on US soil and therefore is an American citizen (of course, the fact that Obama's mother was American, further establishes his US citizenship)!

By the way, because of the emotional trauma caused by the family breakups during the immigration raids, it contributed factors to the Reagan administration's change in immigration policy, thus granting amnesty to illegals in 1986.

y_p_w

The whole thing about the possibility of nationality based on some other country's laws is ridiculous. Rudy Giuliani is the grandchild of Italian immigrants. Italy's generous laws make him eligible to be an Italian citizen.

George Romney was born in Mexican territory, which according to Mexico's laws made him a Mexican national. Mexican law also makes anyone born to a parent born in Mexican territory a Mexican national by birth.

The eligibility to be a "natural born citizen" should have absolutely nothing to do with anyone's possibility of being eligible for dual citizenship in another country.

TruthToBeTold

Matt Coker I hope you are not getting paid for you ignorant column. You really need to do some research, you have been indoctrinated. Mr. Maskell states in the latest “Qualification for President and the natural born Citizenship Eligibility Requirement” Congressional Research Service memo that “….The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents;”Those are the indoctrinating words and opinion of the Congressional Research Service and Mr. Jack Maskell which have put The United States of America in grave danger of a terrorist takeover if it hasn’t already happened.The facts are that the law contradicts and repudiates their opinion aggressively beyond any reasonable doubt.The Civil Rights Act, 1866 (from U.S. Statutes at Large, Vol. 14:27), reads, in part:An Act to protect all Persons in the United States in their Civil Rights, and furnish the Means of their Vindication.Be it enacted, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;”Note: “natural born [C]itizen” is not mentioned; only the term “[c]itizen.”OC weekly is not telling the Truth. Go to The Post & Email for the Truth:http://www.thepostemail.com/20...

AlCum

Wrong. Obama proved he is a natural born citizen.

Paul Reinmer

Drake and his Crack House Southern Baptist Church, is a magnet for stubborn, drug addict drunks!! Every day, the same DEVILS, gather at Melrose and Western, in Buena Park. These abnormal manipulaters, ARE HOUSED, FEED AND CLOTHED BY WILEY DRAKE! I run into Drakes residents on a daily basis, they BOAST about fooling the OLD MAN. By the way, Wiley Drake is A CLASSIC ENABLER! OUT OF TOUCH, the Buena Park Police don't arrest these people because ITS A LOSING PROPOSITION!! ROADSIDE BARBEQUES, WALL URINATION AND CORNER DEFECATIONS!!! The IRONY IS THAT THESE SICK PEOPLE ARE ALL WHITE! SCOUTS HONOR!! COME TAKE A LOOK, THE RIFF RAFF GATHER IN THE A.M. AT STATER BROTHERS (WESTERN/ORANGETHORPE), THEN SCATTER ONCE THE SUN RISES!! ORLY, PLEASE HOUSE YOUR INBRED RELATIVES!!!

bearzee

Taitz herself is not American-born.

Zebrastand

Rev. Wiley Drake and Rev. Jerimiah Wright should do a church/congregation swap for a couple of weeks.

KenyanBorn ObamAcorn

The only proof you need for the definition of Natural Born Citizen is this video, which is sourced by the Library of Congress!

The American People WAKE UP after the Library of Congress proves Obama NOT to be a US Citizen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

AlCum

The video is wrong. Obama is a natural born citizen, and furthermore is the FIRST and ONLY US president in our nation's entire history to document that fact. Case is closed.

Paul Reinmer

WAKE UP WHITE AMERICA!! THE NATIVE AMERICAN'S WILL HAVE A CLAIM ONCE THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN DEFINITION IS UPHELD BY THE SUPREME COURT!! SLIPPERY SLOPE KENYANBORN OBAMACORN!!! HEY...KENYAN TOOL....LEAVE THE EMOTION OUT OF EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE!!! ALSO, YOUTUBE IS YOUR RESEARCH REFERENCE!!! CHILD, GROW UP!!!

Rednail64

"Sourced from the Library of Congress"? My daughter has a book about talking cats that was sourced from the library of Orange County - does that mean cats can talk?

You are not a constitutional scholar, clearly.

What I find hilarious is even amongst the birther loons you can't get your stories straight:1. He is not a NBC due to his father's citizenship2. His BC is forged, because he was born outside the U.S.3. He uses multiple SSNs

Each of these "theories" are mutually exclusive. Can't all you nuts go in a small room and figure out which looney you are going to follow?

Bob Squalonero

As you know, since the election of President Obama, quite a number of Know-Nothings (e.g., Orly Taitz, Barabara Coe, the Tea Party, etc.) have come out of the woodworks, railing against him and questioning his nationality of brith.

Sadly, as they fight this misguided battle, these Know-Nothings profess Xtian beliefs and values, which is quite surprising, ironic, and hypocritical, because as we approach Xmas, they're going to be celebrating one of the most famous questionable births of all in history: that of a Mexican Jew named "Jesus"! First of all, it all started with his Padre in el paraiso, who loved humanity so much, that He wanted to be present with them sobre la tierra. So what did God do? He had a young girl named Maria impregnated, so He could have a son on Earth (of course, to make the birth legit, He made sure to have Maria casado to Jose, so that Jesus would have an earthly dad). Consequently, through His son Jesus, God would would have earthly citizenship and be among us. Now if that doesn't make Jesus an anchor baby, I don't know what does! But wait, the plot thickens! Because King Herod feared Jesus was the anchor baby that was going start the reconquista that would overthrow him, he had all the babies in his kingdom killed. Because of this, Jose, Maria & Jesus had to escape to Egypt--without papers!

And how come Jesus & his family were able to get into Egypt without documentation? Hmmmm! Perhaps because Jesus is really an African who was born in Egypt.......(?) In that case, the Birthers, and other Know-Nothings, should demand to see Jesus' Egyptian birth certificate (both the short & long form)! Luckily, Jesus survived that unfortunate slaughter of innocent life, and as an adult, he would preach a very radical, socialist and revolutionary idea: Only through Love and accepting one another--the same way God (Jesus' heavenly Father) loves & accepts us--can we overcome the fear and hatred existing on Earth. Now that's what I call a reconquista! Unfortunately, Jesus would eventually be arrested and executed for his radical ideas. But the great news is, he was able to spread his ideas to others, so that they could carry on the fight. Viva la revolucion! So the next time any of those Know-Nothings want to hide their hatred of Obama, by cloaking it under patriotism, they need to remember that Jesus' teachings of love and acceptance (which started with his birth at Xmas), transcends international boundaries--and nationalities--and will NEVER be stopped. Feliz Navidad, Buon Natale & Joyeux Noel.

constitutionalsoldier

It might seem to be flogging a dead horse, but my questions are (1) Is he really an American Citizen if he was adopted by an Indonesian as a child? (2) Most people would be prosecuted for using a Social Security Number not assiged to themselves. Why isn't Obama? (3) It seems strange that more than $1 million has been spent to keep all Obamas school records sealed. The press were literally having orgasms with George W Bush's school records. Is Obama really as stupid as he sounds when the teleprompter isn't in front of him? Or is he truly our first affirmative action president?

There is much more to investigate, however, there are too many people involved to take them all down through the courts. I doubt there is any hope for an American Future after this administration. Even most Republicans in Congress act as though they are members of the new castrati.

AlCum

I have your answers and I hope this helps your dead horse rest in peace.

1) Yes, Obama will really still be a natural born American citizen regardless of anything his Indonesian stepfather might have done. You see, under US law it is a legal impossibility for a minor child to lose his birthright US citizenship. Or law does not recognize any attempt to strip a minor of US citizenship. Obama could only lose his US citizenship if he affirmatively renounces it. No such thing happened.

2) Obama i snot using a Social Security number not assigned to him. You've swallowed a lie.

3) Obama has not spent $1 million hiding anything at all. nothing has been spent hiding any records. Again, you have gullibly swallowed another lie. His school records, like yours and mine and everyone else's, already are private and sealed.

Obama doesn't use a telepromter any more than any other president, and he sounds much more intelligent than Bush under any and all circumstances. There is nothing more to investigate. Obama Administration has restored America's promise of a future after saving the economy from the brink of the Second Great Republican Depression. Most republicans in Congress act like ignorant clowns who would destroy America to defeat this president.

y_p_w

There's the whole thing about his SSN which was apparently disclosed. Obama's supposedly correlated to a a Connecticut address. The SSA generally will assign SSNs based on mailing address and did so as some kind of bookkeeping thing that started before they used computers and was originally done because they issued SSNs via regional offices.

The Obama campaign has spent over $3 million on legal fees since the election ended. Somehow his detractors had conflated this with his campaign spending all of it on trying to hide his records (which are not public because of state and federal laws). His campaign spent almost all of that total on answering Federal Elections Committee complaints (which they have to answer ever time an opponent lodges a complaint). By the same token, the McCain campaign has spent over $2 million themselves.

y_p_w

Whoa. Where's all this vitriol coming from?

I believe that the abstract released by the Obama campaign to several media sources was a true and accurate birth record and don't take any stock in the allegations that it was a forgery and/or FactCheck was in on some sort of coverup.

However, I also don't doubt that his SSN would normally have been issued to someone who used a Connecticut mailing address. I forgot to add the common explanation that his grandparents' Honolulu address had a 96814 zip code, while a 0 (via bad handwriting or a keystroke error) would make it 06814, which corresponds to Danbury, CT.

As for the total legal fees, it probably has been well over $3 million by now. The total campaign raised over $750 million, and of course there are going to be some people who donated in excess of rules or who were otherwise ineligible to donate. All it takes are political opponents filing complaints with the FEC, and they'll end up spending money on legal fees to answer the complaints. The same has happened with the McCain campaign.

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AlCum

The Obama campaign spent nothing on legal fees related to this. Your $3 million figure is a total fabrication. The Obama campaign's total legal fees for the entire campaign were only about $2 million. This nonsense required no response as it was proven false with the release of his borth certificate in June 2008. Motions to dismiss, most filed pro-bono (for free) took care of them with ease. And Obama is not using a Connecticut man's SSN. That's just another lie.

Paul Reinmer

GWB, is your anti Obama comparison! LOL! Compare and contrast. You MUST HAVE BEEN ADOPTED FROM EASTERN EUROPE! WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU SOUND LIKE A NAZI? WHY DO YOU DOUBT THE TRUTH? YOUR COMMENTS ARE HYPERBOLE! CONSTITUTIONAL SOLDIER......NEVER! YOU NEED TO GO ONLINE AND LEARN FROM THE ICIVICS.ORG WEBSITE! I feel ashamed for you. You try to make intelligent statements, but they backfire. Your comments lack EVERYTHING!!!

jgs

you are a moron.

Amused

1) Yes he is still a citizen. American law doesn't allow anyone else to take his citizenship away and US law isn't subservient to Indonesian or an other nation's laws, much to the dismay of birthers it would seem.2) I'm sure that anyone who claimed SS benefits with someone else's SSN would be prosecuted. President Obama, to my understanding, has never claimed SS benefits and uses his own SSN. There are people who claim that he is using someone else's but I have seen no proof of this, just wild conjectures from people with dubious character and obvious motives. Some people with weak minds are willing to believe anything they are told if it reaffirms what they wan't to believe.3) That's because he hasn't spent "$1million". He doesn't have to, universities don't release transcripts of students to third third parties. G. W. Bush didn't release his school records, they were illegally leaked.

President Obama did very well in the debates without a teleprompter. I'm not sure what you have against teleprompters, every president in recent memory has used them including both Bushes and Reagan. Before teleprompters president's read from prepared notes.

More people voted for President Obama than did for any other president in history anywhere in the world. You are a sore loser and you listen to sore losers.

peaceloveunderstanding

not that I support the birthers, but I def do not support Obama. If you think he has our best intentions in mind... you might want to check if your head is surrounded by sand :)

Paul Reinmer

Lesser of two evils! Consider that option. Why DO YOU THINK THE YOUNG GENERATION ALL OVER THE WORLD IS PROTESTING!! False promises from politicians and blasphemous statements from elected officials! The GOP has used FOX NEWS for their benefit. Factual data no longer matters!! Sensationalism and extremist views dominate! Taitz and Drake, prior to FOX NEWS CHANNEL, would be considered CRAZY and NOT NEWS WORTHY!! Today, TAITZ AND DRAKE, ARE MONEY MAKERS!!! FOX NEWS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FACTUAL INFORMATION!!! BIG LIES EQUAL BIG PROFITS!!!

Briansays

state bar needs to sanction the dingbat for abuse of process and suspend her license

VongMee

Should be very interesting to see how that all works out.

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VongMee

Kinda makes you wonder what drives someone to such insanity. WOw.real-web-privacy.tk

SAM

Taitz is just a perennial loser. She's still flogging that dead horse of a case in Hawaii too, and is setting herself up for some additional monetary sanctions.