Ergun Kirlikovali, Coto de Caza Armenian Genocide Denier Supreme, Threatening Legal Action Against UC Davis Professor

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Earlier this year, for some bizarre (or telling?) reason, the Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA) allowed Ergun Kirlikovali to become its president. You remember Ergun--the whackjob Coto de Caza resident who's perhaps this country's most notorious denier of the Armenian genocide, a historical fact accepted by any sane human but rejected as propaganda by Turkish nationalists like Kirlikovali.

Anyhoo, Kirlikovali and his gang of outraged Ottomans are messing with a UC Davis professor because the profe stated the truth: that people like Kirlikovali and groups like ATAA are useful idiots in Turkey's campaign to discredit the Armenian genocide.

The controversy started with an article that Keith David Watenpaugh, director of the UC Davis Human Rights Initiative, penned for the university's magazine in February about how the Armenian genocide was a linchpin for the modern humanitarian movement. The article drew a response in the fall issue from one Gunay Evinch, a past president of ATAA who just happens to do legal work for the Turkish embassy in the United States. He repeated the same tired line that the Turkish government instills in its citizens--that there was no Armenian genocide, that Turks suffered as much as Armenians during the post-World War I period, and that any suffering that Armenians had to bear was their fault.

Watenpaugh responded to Evinch in the same issue, destroying his arguments and adding this barbed paragraph:

"What is most important to understand is that the Assembly of Turkish American Associations has been at the forefront of a Turkish government-sponsored effort in the United States to deny that what happened to the Armenians was genocide. The attack on my work in Mr. Evinch's letter is part of that project and should be understood in this light. At UC Davis, we teach our students that history is more than just a collection of facts, but rather is the starting point for an ethical relationship with the past."

BURN! But that's when Kirlikovali and his ilk butted in, crying foul. In October, he wrote a letter to the magazine claiming Watenpaugh had defamed ATAA by insinuating that they take money from the Turkish government for spreading their vile Armenian-genocide denying--no, see, they do it for FREE! The implication that ATAA was ready to get sue-y with Watenpaugh, in turn, drew a November response from the Middle Eastern Studies Association to back off.

"We do not believe that legal action is the proper way to resolve disputes about historical interpretation, and we fear that legal action of this kind, or the threat thereof, may undermine the ability of scholars and academic institutions to carry out their work freely and to have their work assessed on its merits, in conformity with standards and procedures long established in the world of scholarship," they wrote.

Kirlikovali, for his part, isn't backing down, telling Inside Higher Ed, "freedom of speech does not include defamation. Defamation is an important exception to freedom of speech." But his move has now drawn the attention of the Armenian-American press, who started reporting on the controversy this month, which means this issue will be far from over.

All we know is that in our dealings with Kirlikovali--to paraphrase the famous Western aphorism--he's all fez and no carpet. And earlier this year, another organization with which Kirlikovali has associated and which has OC ties, the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), sued the University of Minnesota because the school's Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies deemed TCA's website as "unreliable" due to their Armenian genocide-denying. A federal judge tossed out that lawsuit. Stand strong, UC Davis...

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JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

The last refuge of the Armenian scoundrel is to revert to playing the vicimhood role. Oh how sweet it must be to always act the eternal victim. Jesus Christmas, these Dashnakian Armenians have turned this scam into an art form, a science. They are even better at it than the old masters, the Greeks. You know the story, right? Economic woes? Oh no, no, no. It is not the fault of Greek profligacy, sloth and laziness. It is the fault of Germany or Turkey or the EU, anyone but the Greeks.

There is Greek/Armenian competition in who can better ply the vicimhood scam, but I believe the Armenian slicks have the edge. They have read and digested their Machiavelli.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

I am sorry did I hear someone barking again? hmmmm...

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Our valiant Jeanne d'Arc of Armenia, aka Gayaneh, chastised me today for never having read a single book. Hanging my head in shame, I walked over to the public library and picked one up. I think it is a book that the learned scholar Gayaneh would approve, for the author is an Armenian by the name of Avedis Boghos Derounian also known as Arthur Derounian who wrote under the pen name of John Roy Carlson.

The book is Cairo to Damascus, published by Alfred E. Knopf, New York, 1951.

On page 438 exists this passage :

"Wholly opportunistic, the Armenians have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist and anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."

Looks like this fellow knew his Armenians quite well.

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Omigosh, the Armenian Sherlock Holmes has done his fantastico, bravissimo sleuthing once again. Mea culpa, mea ultimate culpa.

Avery, Native Americans don't want your "soft heart," your incredibly obscene condescension and odious arrogance. They want you to return their stolen lands.

Try some modesty for a change. Manitou knows you have much to be modest about.

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Woe is me. Lady Gayaneh has decreed a ukase shipping me to hell. I am crestfallen. Whatever shall I do, Rhett Butler, whatever shall I do?

Gayaneh, you little twit. I do not worry about Kurds. I do not worry about little Dashnak, sociopath armchair warriors. Kurds are your problem, not mine.

The same acreage that Armenian irredentists call Armenistan is called Kurdistan by Kurd Irredentists. That's your problem, kid. Don't try to make it mine. I care diddley squat whether the caves of Mush, Van, Siivas or the "sacred" Mt. Ararat are inhabited by Kurd Neanderthals or Armeno troglodytes. I am not in possession of that acreage and I am not inclined to sacrifice my blood in order to take it from the Kurds and hand it over to you and the rest of your Armenian chicken hawks just to satisfy your grand illusion of a fantabulous Armenia. Just once in the lives of your Mighty Mouse Armenians, do your own fighting, and cease the freeloading. You do not get something for nothing, and you do not get to eat your cake and have it too. Just ask the Greek freeloaders.

A word of caution : I hear those Kurds are an ornery, disagreeable lot - just about as ornery and disagreeable as the oily Armenian flimflam artists. Birds of a feather, you think?

First, try to negotiate with the belly-scratching,nose-picking-in-front-of-TV-cameras, exalted leader of the Kurds. His name is Abdul Ocalan. He sits in an island prison off the coast of Istanbul. See if he is agreeable to cede Kurdistan to Armenistan. If not, I don't know what to tell you, kid. You might have to deploy the Mighty Mouse Armenian forces against the Mickey Mouse Kurd Peshmergas, the PKK and ICUP.

But stop annoying and pestering the rest of humanity with your primal urges, your primitive tribal blood feuds, and your delusional Armenian irredentism. No one is going to give you your "Greater Armenia" free of charge. No discounts either. You have to pay the going rate.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Well done Avery.. Jake the Faker truly did himself a number Avery.. NICE CATCH...

We shall indeed move on... and go catch and stop other fakers and denialists ...

Farewell Jake the Faker... it was nice destroying your hate loving, lying and denialists actions...

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Well well well.. Jake the Faker got busted.. good job Avery...

Now Jake the Fake. let us know when you back your bags.. we will have a great farewell party for you...

Avery
Avery

Gayane, Jake the Fake finally slipped and exposed himself as a fraud. Sooner or later these Denialist Turks hiding under various ethnicities or  nationalities slip up and show their true colors.

I think we are done with him. Case closed. Should we move on ? we have a lot of other cases to work.

Avery
Avery

Jake the Fake you  finally exposed yourself as a Denialist bigoted  Turk, pretending to be Native American.  Here is where slipped, son: {So pack your bags and go back to where you came from. Take Chaz Bono with you. } specifically {Take Chaz Bono with you}. Chaz Bono's mother, Cher, aka Cherilyn Sarkisian is part Cherokee (on her mother's side). As in Native American. The Cherokee Nation considers anyone with any fraction to be Cherokee. Therefore Chaz Bono is Cherokee. As in Native American Cherokee Nation. Who are you, invading foreigner Denialist Turk, to tell a Native American Cherokee to leave his or her  Native American lands ? Typical invading Denialist Genocidal Turk mentality. 

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

It is funny that I knew Jake the Faker would come back with that lame response...because you are a HATE MONGER for ALL... and when someone is full of hate toward ALL, he or she belongs not on earth where humans reside, but somewhere that is very very hot and full of fire.. i am sure even with your limited knowledge and manipulating ways you know where i am talking about...

I would say to you Jake the Fake Genious... don't you worry about Kurds.. not that you could not get past us on TUrks you take another route and jump on the Kurds wagon I see... well well well.. typical of a denialist and a hate monger... you leave Kurds alone.. and worry about your denialist self.. kabish???

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Dashnakian, Hunckaian, Hokkabazian, Jambazian, Zibidian, Iblisian - they're all Armenians full of hate, duplicity and viciousness, expert at backstabbing.

Before I forget, little dingbat, I just received a conference call from some Kurds about Avery's "soft heart" for Native Americans. You know the Kurds right? They are the ornery people who today sit on the same lands that Avery claims belong to Armenians. I believe what you call "western Armenia", they call Kurdistan.

Anyway, these Kurds told me that they have a "soft heart" for Armenians, but just like Avery, they have no intention of moving anytime soon. Go figure.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

   just in case a denialist by the name of Jake the Faker would like to know .. here is something to think about...even though it is absolutely hysterical that you manage to pick ONE example to throw at us.. I still believe you are full of hate and you should be hospitalized... .you denialists love to twist words and present only half of the story don't you Jake the Genious... i know you sure love Dashnaks.. you denialists are just in love with them... here parts of p.437 to parts of p. 439, covering the entire pieces in which the quote has been given."The state of mind of many of the Dashnags was clearly reflected in Zohrab Jevahirjian, a photographer. "I'm a Dashnag by blood," he told me. "We are not mild toward our enemies. When the order comes to dispose of an enemy, our men do not rest until the work is done." Zohrab wanted to come to America, and was impatient with an Armenian working as a consular employee who had handled his application. Brandishing his fist, Zohrab burst out: "If he does not give me a visa I shall kill this Voskerichian. You can't play with a Dashnag. Who does he think he is--toying with me! I shall kill this man Voskerichian. I shall either come to America or kill this man." The Dashnags claimed they were merely "fighting Communism," but some of them used this merely as an excuse to intimidate and murder their critics, who were largely members of the Democratic Liberal Party. Wholly opportunistic, Dashnag politics have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, antiZionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet--whichever was expedient. At the moment the official Dashnag position is raucously anti-Communist and pro-Arab; previously, the Englishlanguage organ of the American Dashnag, Hairenik Weekly (Hairenik meaning "Fatherland"), had commended Zionism editorially: "Since the fall of Palestine's independence nearly two thousand years ago, Jewry has become a homeless element, hunted by fortune, until it understood that its only salvation lay in its return to the mother soil. This consciousness was embodied in the Zionist movement whose founders rightly perceived that a people cannot be happy until it has acquired a homeland of its own." During 1946-7 the Soviets urged Armenian war refugees to return to their homeland. More than 100,000 from Europe and the Middle East responded in a mass repatriation movement--particularly those who for thirty years had lived in poverty-stricken shanty towns of unbelievable misery (not only in the Arab world but in Greece and Bulgaria as well), those who feared Moslem fanaticism, and those who were objects of economic discrimination. Believing, then, in Soviet promises, they left for what they thought would be a happier land. Dashnags everywhere in the world lauded the repatriation movement and some offered to go along. Hairenik, the Armenian-language organ of the American Dashnag, on October 15, 1947, published a lengthy editorial of a typically pro-Soviet tone: I don't know what the Turkish denialists and forgers think, but I think there is a huge difference between.Wholly opportunistic, Dashnag politics have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, antiZionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet--whichever was expedient.And the quote presented in Turkish sources that is.Wholly opportunistic the Armenians have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient.The less we have the more we expend... they have found another thing to expend.        

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Awww, ain't that nice of Avery? Give the fellow a big hand. He has a "soft heart" for Native Americans, even as he sits on their stolen lands, enjoying the fruits of their genocide. Just to show my gratitude, I shall step outside now and do a rain dance so that Avery's harvest of BS will grow ever more bountiful.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

I am sorry I still hear the bark but can't really understand why it keeps barking.. must be the wind.. oh well...

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

If our eager-beaver Armenian patriots can kindly help me out, I need advice. 

I have been informed that within the next couple months the French senate may criminalize rejection of Armenian claims of "genocide". That puts me in a dilemma.

I'll be on a European expedition come this spring and will have a 4-day stay in Paris. Having been a law-abiding person all my life, I certainly would not break any French laws. For example, if I were to say "the Armenian genocide is an obscene canard fabricated by deceitful, Machievellian Armenian slicks," that would be in violation of French law. I understand that.

So I have two questions for our Armenian friends, the "eternal victims". 

1. How about, when in France, I were to say "I don't care a rat's ass whether it was or whether it was not a genocide". Would that violate any French laws?

2. How about, when in the U.S., I were to declare "I reject the Armenian allegations of a genocide as an obscene hoax, a fabrication and machination of the odious Armenian lobby that could teach Machiavelli a lesson or two?" 

In that scenario, could the French Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau demand from the U.S. my extradition to face French justice?

Avery
Avery

wait for it to become law first, son. Don't be too eager.

and when you end up in a French jail, it will not be Inspector Clouseau working on you.You already know about French paratroopers torturing suspects  in Algeria, right ?Well,  where do you think the French Foreign Legion hones  their interrogation techniques.That's right: in French jails.  French citizens are off limits.But foreigners ? well, who is to say what can happen.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Love it.. :) well said..

Gayane
Gayane

WELL SAID Guy.. well said.. that shows that this guy who calls himself whatever he calls himself is a pure denialist and someone who is full of hate.. i bet he is a denialist Turk or has a denialist Turk blood in him...

Guy Fawkes
Guy Fawkes

"Your land"? I doubt that. You seem more than keen for Turkish-Americans not to leave, when I mentioned that before, yet Armenians have to leave? You seem to not mention African Americans and Asian Americans either oddly, only three people so far : Armenians, Kurds, Greeks...which is who Turks are always on about.

Most Native Americans hold little to no grudge against Armenians, hell, to be honest, most Americans including Natives don't even know who Armenians are...but odd for someone who claims to be native to be near obsessed with Armenians and Turkish history with such a hatred of Armenians like they personally wronged him...

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Well said Avery...

Lets see if Jake the Faker will actually have the balls to follow his own advice...before preaching to others...

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

THat is what is wrong with the denialists who live in a free country.. they have NOTHING to prove themselves which is why they attack another culture's character by basing their idiotic comments from small number of "bad behavior" people.. As you said.. apparently Armenians are the only ones who have done wrong in US... they are the only criminals and haters.. We are the one ones who can't tolerate other races... how absolutely idiotic is that?? Someone who spews such venom is himself a hater, racist and a denialist.. he must have burned by someone when he was young to speak such hate toward Armenians.. he obviously ignored the long list of Armenian Americans who contributed to US in much more than what a small pocket of individuals who went the wrong way.. but then again.. what do you expect from such a hate monger and a denialist... they can't see the good... only the bad..

Avery
Avery

Your post clearly shows you are an Anti-Armenian hate-filled Turk. Your obsession with Armenians, a mere 2 million in a nation of 310 million, finally and clearly demonstrated your Anti-Armenian bias. Therefore, none of your statements using phrases such as "our land" are to be taken seriously. No Native American would be that hatefully obsessed with Armenians. 

Like I said: take your Anti-American, Anti-Armenian  Denialist Turk buddies and head on out of our country: it is a long way to Uygurland near China.

Avery
Avery

Right you are Gayane. we gave him a lot of slack; you know we did. I have a soft heart for Native Americans: no joke. But  Jake-the-Turk, hiding under a Native American handle, is just another Anti-Armenian hatemonger.  Armenians apparently cause all the problems in USA. There is nobody else. Everybody else is an Angel. Denialist Turks eventually slip-up and show their true colors. Sister, these Turcophile  trolls never learn.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

VOIDED...

aweee.. look ladies and gentlemen the hateful denialist is getting frustrated.. he does not know what "picking up a history book and reading history means.. before he spews his inaccurate, idiotic comments... pick up a book and start reading history..  sir, man, denialist, Turk, or whoever you are..

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

I am merely using the same cockamamie logic that you seem to have bought at Hagop Hagopian's carpet store.

Your claim to land in Anatolia is that the Turkish people came to Anatolia a "mere" one thousand years ago while your God's gift to humanity Armenians were there two thousand years earlier. Ergo, the land should revert to people who call themselves Armenian today. Nuts!!!!

Using your self-serving, store-bought, screwball logic, we can say : Native Americans have been here 30 thousand years before your tribe invaded. Therefore, the land should be returned to Native Americans - all of it. The native Americans have a much more solid case against your tribe of opportunistic usurpers than you have against the Turkish Republic. So pack your bags and go back to where you came from. Take Chaz Bono with you. And please, pretty please with a cherry on top, do all Americans (Native or not) a favor and take those annoying, pornographic Kardashians along. I am sure they will serve as role models for little Armenian girls in Yerevan.

By the way, your mommy and daddy know how their little dingbat of a daughter spends her time on the computer? Don't worry, I won't tell them if you promise to attend to your eighth-grade school work.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

VOIDED...:)

But nice try.. yet no carrot for you Invisible man..

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Avery.. Jake the Faker thinks Armenians are everyone else who came before us.. is not that hysterical??? He thinks ARmenians are the one who massacred and murdered Native Americans... If I knew Armenians did that.. I would be the first to apologize for my ancestors deeds because I have a heart and a soul.. unlike him and his kind... But associating Armenians stealing the lands from Native Americans is not only idiotic but hysterically idiotic..

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

VOIDED....

People who are drenched in hatred and ignorance need to be hospitalized until they are well...

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

VOIDED.....

Can someone say "Hate Monger in the house".. ladies and gentlemen??.. Jake not only has problems with Armenians but he hates everyone who is on US soil... Must be hard to live with such mental problem...

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

I picked on the Armenians to tell them to go back to where they came from because they seem the most vociferous in preaching holier-than-thou, and they whine and bellyache the most about injustice done to the "eternal victim" Armenians. Furthermore, they are the most shameless falsifiers of history. They are ruthless and totally without scruples. Before you can pontificate, make sure that you are clean yourself.

Otherwise, of course the Native Americans would like to see all other invaders and thieves leave these shores. Every invader that came since Columbus and his band of cutthroat hoodlums should get off my land pronto.

Whether I have 100% Native American blood or 50% or none at all, matters not. If I were an Ibo from Nigeria or a Sami from Finland or a Basque from Catalonia or a Magyar from Hungary, would it negate the fact of the genocide of Native Americans? Would it negate the fact that you and the rest of the usurping interlopers are still sitting on stolen property?

The Native Americans are not interested, and they have nothing to do with your Armeno-Turkish dispute. They rightfully want you to get off their land, go back to where you came from and fight your disputes there.

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Do you ever think before you speak? Everything you said can be said back to you. You are sitting on stolen land gorging on the fruits of the genocide of the Native Americans.

What apology ? What payments? The only acceptable payment is for you and the rest of your parasitic, bottom feeding tribe is to get off my land.

Avery
Avery

TYPO:  "and there were Armenians on the Mayflower" should say "there were NO Armenians..."

Avery
Avery

Listen son, you are confused. I know the gears in your  little underdeveloped brain are churning real hard. Don't be discouraged.  Keep working at it.I see some signs of hope in your posts. 

OK,  so let me try again without involving the Turks, for now.We'll revisit the Turks later on. You seem to be shy about revealing whether you are 100% Native American, 50%, or  a fraction thereof, including 0.000000000.....1%.I will assume for this one post that you are 100% Native American. OK ? OK.So you want Armenians out of USA, yes ? I'll take that as a "yes".Now, since there were no Armenians on Columbus's 3 ships, and there were Armenians on the Mayflower, there were no Armenians on the slave ship, and there were no Armenians....well you get the idea.Why don't you start working on the Spanish, English, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Italians, African-Americans, and all the rest of the great people that came before us Armenians.As soon as you are done sending them off, we'll have our stuff packed and ready to go.Of course you understand that the Anglos are sticklers for laws and such: I am sure they will ask that you  prove you are 100% Native American. Surely you have proof, No ?Do we have deal then ?

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

That's very nice dear, but apparently you seem to be listening intently.

Don't you have school homework assignments to which you must attend? If you keep neglecting your school work, you won't be able to graduate junior high school this coming June. Your parents will be disappointed.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Jake the Fake Genius..VOIDED...

Accept.. wanted to share a revelation for you.. i know you are ignorant about great deal of history and facts..:  if you even had some brain cells you would not make such comment as " Armenians go ask the lands from Ottomans".. here is a reality check for you .... TURKEY.. is the DIRECT inheritor of the OTTOMANS... Current Turkey is enjoying the wealth, culture, history, and lands that came DIRECTLY from what Ottomans stole and took by force from Armenians and other Christians.. do you appreciate the difference??? US have given back to Native Americans and apologized for the crime committed against them.. you did know that right??? . if you are Native American and you did not know this, then you are one sorry individual..let me repeat... US did apologize and paid back to Native Americans.. TURKEY DID NOT...do you act stupid intentionally....that said... it is current TURKEY's RESPONSIBILITY to acknolwedge, apologize and pay reparation... THE END...

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

  Yo Jake the Feather Hunter.... did not I tell you that anyone who makes a reference between Armenians stealing Native American's lands truly need some serious educational help??? Let me say this again...and maybe you will get it this time around... the fact that you made this statement, anything and everything you say will be voided....it just goes to show you have no credibility at all. Pure and simple, what you need Jake the Fake Genius is not give you any audience to mouth off....to ignore you. Loud, obnoxious and brain dead people like you eventually go away once they figure out no one is listening.  

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Now you're talkin' pops. We may even agree on a point - that is if you cease insisting on trying to achieve the physically impossible feat of having your cake and eating it too.

You're telling me to take it up with the Anglos and the Spaniards, for they were the original thieves and your lovely, pure as the driven snow Armenians came to occupy the stolen property much later on. Nuts!

Employing the same precise logic that you have used, Turks of today can tell you the same precise suggestion you just offered me : If the Armenians have a "beef about their lands," they should take it to the Byzantine Greeks, the Seljuk Empire or even the Ottoman Empire, because the Turks of today came much later on. In fact, just as you were not even alive when the Anglos and the caballeros and the conquistadors took my lands, no Turk of today was alive when the debauched Byzantines took your Armenian lands, or when the Seljuk commander Alparslan routed the same Byzantine Greeks at the Battle of Manzikert in1071. 

As well, no Turk of today was around on May 29, 1453 when the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II took Constantinople and put an end to the despotic rule of the corrupt, decrepit, decadent and debauched Byzantine Greeks. Your Armenian ancestors were so elated that their high priest sent a letter to the Ottoman sultan expressing gratitude, high praise and fealty, for the Turkish hegemony and rule were proven to be much more benign and enlightened than that of the tyranny that was Neanderthal Byzantium. And for your edification, there happened to be Armenian volunteers in both the armies of Alparslan and Mehmet II in the  battle against the hated Byzantine Greek hordes. 

Nor, my righteous friend, was any living Turk of today alive when the Armenians launched a massive armed uprising in 1915, during WWI, committing high treason and collaborating with the invading Russian armies. 

So again, dear dad, using your logic, the Turks of today can offer the Armenians the same suggestion that you have just offered the Native Americans. Fair is fair, n'est-ce pas? After all, being the logical, reasonable, rational mensch that you are, you do believe in the sacred Armenian principle of sauce for goose, sauce for gander, do you not?

Happy new year....Hai Tad and all that....

Avery
Avery

It's OK son.  

Back to the lands: if you are a true Native American, and you gotta beef  about your lands, then take it to Anglo-Saxons and Spanish who first came to North America 300-400 years ago. Armenians and the rest, started arriving about 100 years ago.

If you are a Turk: same offer; first organize the Denialist Racist progeny of Seljuk Turks in USA, in Europe, in Western Armenia  to return to Uyguristan. Then we'll leave. As soon as the rest of Europeans, Blacks, etc who came before us  all leave. Whoever came first, has to leave first. Fair, no ?

If you are half Turk, half Native American: the Turk half can leave, and the Native American half can stay. Native American land is Native American land. I got no beef with Native Americans.

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Sorry, dad. I thought the response was for me. My bad.

But pops, your clever offer to vacate stolen Native American lands in return for something from Turkey is still a non-starter. No dice, fella. It is clever by half. You are holding a pair of deuces here and it won't do against flush royale. Because of your claims of injustice to your ilk, you do not get a pass to commit injustice to another people. Just because Mr. Brown relieved you of your wallet, you do not get a right to steal the wallet of Mr. Green. 

Until your ilk of usurpers get off the stolen lands of the Native Americans, until your ilk of of opportunistic bottom feeders atone for the sins against Native Americans, your pontifications about the travails of your "eternal victim" Armenians will continue to sound hollow. The attempts by the Armenians to get other people to fight their wars, their tactics of terrorism, intimidation, bribery and hate-mongering will achieve the same results that your Dashnak and Hunchak ancestors obtained one hundred years ago. 

And after the results are in, today's Armenians following in the footsteps of their forefathers will go on to blame others for the disaster they started themselves. For the Dashnakians, history repeats itself because they don't learn.

Speaking of repeating the same steps, expecting a different result, here is an Armenian joke as told by the late Bill Safire in his NY Times column :

Two hunters in Armenia decide to hunt for bears and they hire a small plane. When done, they have bagged a bear apiece. Pilot tells them the plane can only take the the load of one bear. One hunter offers the pilot extra money if he would take both bears. Pilot agrees and the plane takes off. Five minutes later the plane crashes in the forest, but they all escape with nary a scratch. 

Hunter to pilot : "What are we to do now? How will we get out of here?"

Pilot : "Don't worry. I know where we are and we'll get out."

Hunter : "How do you know that?"

Pilot : "I know because this is the same place we crashed last year."

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

well said Avery jan..

Jake the Feather hunter... this reply is for Avery.... just want to make sure...

Avery
Avery

apparently you are the one who is Clueless Jake the Turk: read what it says above the post:

{Gayaneh 3 hours ago in reply to Avery Love it.. :) well said..}does "reply to Avery" mean reply  to Jake-the-Turk to you ?you desperate for a complement, son ?nobody likes you ?feel abandoned ?OK: here you  go "Jake you are doing fine, but you need to study harder"."you  keep getting Fs  in History" "you need to learn real history, not the Turkish Ministry of UnEducation books you have been wasting  time on"Feel better ?                   

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

It was for me notorious denialist friend... it was for me...

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Clueless little Gayaneh. That wasn't meant to be a compliment. 

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Now you speaketh the truth, old man. The French political prostitutes and the Armenian prevaricators go together like soup and baguette. 

I'll be sure to avoid Marseilles. I hear the Armenian criminal gangs are as rampant there as they are in Glendale. But I'll say hello to Charlie Aznavour and Sylvie Vartan for you when I stop in Switzerland.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

spoken like a true idiot and denialist.. comment voided.. moving on..

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Dude... it is over.. you liars were busted.. so stop your nonsense cause no one cares and move on...move on to get rid of your denialist mentality and start thinking like any normal human being...

S. Yilmaz
S. Yilmaz

It is funny that you say all people in Turkey are racist against Christians. My mom is CATHOLIC (because of Scottish, Italian and Irish descent) and never felt any form of discrimination going to Turkey, even travelling to the Southeast parts of Turkey. There are many Turkish Christian patriots. Like Turkish/Armenians such as Edward Tashji and Artin Penik. Also there are Turkish/Kurds like Turgut Ozal who is the most nationalist then other people in Turkey. Look em up and you will see what I mean.

S. Yilmaz
S. Yilmaz

A race notorious for commiting medicare fraud, credit card fraud, insurance fraud, and being sneaky and hateful should be exposed. You guys waged a full-fledged Al-Qaida war against each and every thing Turkish. There is a Turkish Day Parade in New York City every single day and Greek/Armenian racists always interrupt it all the time and harassing spectators all the time. What about how Armenian terrorists who interrupted Turkish night at USC? What about how Armenian terrorists tried to threaten Turkish troupes performing at Anaheim stadium in the 1980s? What about how the fact that most Turkish people have to hide the fact they are of Turkish descent fear of racial discrimination. You guys have waged a holy war against all things Turkish and we will defeat you and expose how you guys are hateful warmongers. (The Eastern Turkey is Western Armenia B/S equals warmongering because we are not giving you one inch of our soil). No need to reconcile with people who want to vilify everything Turkish and destroying everything Turkish. Do you think the people of the USA bowed down to Al-Qaeda? No.So, the Turkish people should not bow down to people who hate their people more viciously then Hitler hated the Jews. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON! YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET A SOIL. ARMENIA IS POOR AND 500K- 1 MILLION OF YOUR PEOPLE ARE MOVEING OUT OF ARMENIA BECAUSE YOUR DIASPORANS ARE SPENDING 99% OF YOUR MONEY ON GENOCIDE RESOLUTIONS AND VILIFYING EACH AND EVERY SINGLE THING TURKISH. WE WILL WIN AND YOU RACISTS WILL LOSE. NO RETREAT AND NO SURRENDER.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

thanks for the family tree. don't really care.. because no matter where you were born and what school you went to, a denialist of human rights and justice has no place among the rest of us humans... who have a brain, heart and conscious..

so spare me your history Spencer YILMAZ.. you remain a denialist to me..

in any case.. i have other better things to do than talk to a denialist.. until you learn the right history and understand that even though you have a European blood, your Ottoman ancestry blood still runs in your veins. until you clean yourself of the denialism and hatred you shat remain a denialist nobody..

have a wonderful life .. and stop posting nonsense.. no one cares anymore.. you liars have been busted...

Spencer Yilmaz
Spencer Yilmaz

Ok first of all. My name is Americanized because of the fact I was born in the USA. Also, my dad was born in the USA as well (in New York state to be exact) and attended Stanford. Also, my paternal grandparents are from Turkey. My mothers side of the family is Italian, Irish and Native American technically speaking.

Why do Armenians in the USA have Americanized names? Why do Armenians in Argentina have names like Jesus, Carlos, Pedro, Octavio, Ruben, Sergio, Miguel, Angel, Ramon, and Hernando? Tell me.

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

It is hysterical that these denialists use ONE incident or a fraction of nation that may have done some unpleasant actions but yet they refuse to admit that their entire nation was created on te blood and bones of those their ancestors barbarically butchered without mercy... like in slaughter houses.. they butchered, killed, raped and burned innocent people like animals... they try their hardest to muddy up the issue at hand...the Ottomans committed Genocide against Armenians and other Christians.. it is time to pay up.. no more nice.. no more patient... no more quite .. the denialists think that our new generation will be as willing to trust the Turkish govt, to let go of the matter.. move on.. keep our mouths shut and dont' create tornadoes.. but these denialists don't realize that because of Genocide.. the Diaspora was created and it is becoming big and powerful... good luck shutting us down denialists..that is what I would say... 

Avery
Avery

Sure there are Armenian criminal gangs in Marseilles. But they don't hold a candle to Turk criminal gangs that infest not only all of France, but all of Europe.They are a menace.Why do you think Sarkozy and Merkel are desperately trying to find some way to convince or force  Turks  to leave  Europe ?Why do you think they don't want Turkey to join EU ?How many of your Seljuk Turk progeny have anything that is remotely even in the same league as   the  Armenian  Gift to Humanity the Great Charles Aznavour, son ?

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

I hope they do.. because you d on't belong among normal human beings.. your heart is dark and you have no conscience...but then again what do you expect from someone who believes Armenians stole lands from Native Americans.. hysterical...

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Are you, or are you not, sitting on land stolen from Native Americans?

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

When you grow some brain cells then you can address me with questions.. until then I wish you luck with your idiotic accusations... but then again.. there is nothing else you denialists and ignorant hypocrites can talk about other than detering the question of Genocide and mass devastation to an entire nation...as my friend said... the long and the short of it is this....up to 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered during WW1, most were innocent men , women and children. For what reason??? Can't have been the "bogeyman" that did it. Someone had to be responsible for what happened. It certainly wasn't the Russians or anyone else. The blame falls squarely on the Turkish government and its policies of the time, whether they were explicit or implicit. THE END Jake the Faker...

JakeThreefeathers
JakeThreefeathers

Never mind the evasion, little sister. Just tell us when you are going to return the stolen lands of Native Americans.

If you have a beef with the Turks, go back to where you came from and fight it out there. but I've got news for you. You can't do it by bellyaching and arm chair soldiering from my soil. Get off my land.

It takes an immense amount of gall for these Armenians to come to this country and despicably demand that the rest of us join them in their hatred of another people.

Bismarck once said : "The whole of the Balkans is not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian soldier". In the same vein, it could be said that the delusions of Armenian grandeur and "Greater Armenia" is not worth the bones of a single U.S. soldier. 

So go fight your own battles and stop trying to get us involved. Your Dashnak and Hunchak terrorists tried the same precise tactics 100 years ago. Again, how did they make out? Not too good, eh?

The famous Armenian thinker Al Einstein once observed : "The definition of insanity is repeating the same steps, expecting a different result". 

So keep on repeating the same steps as your treacherous and treasonous ancestors. Maybe you'll get a different result.

By the way, little sister, if the Armenians of the United States tried the same antics that they tried in the Ottoman Empire, the future would not be speaking of an "Armenian Diaspora", because the Americans would see to it that every treasonous, collaborationist Armenian would be sent to that Armenian Hai in the sky. Just look at what was done to Americans of Japanese ancestry during WWII - and that, even though there was not a single case of Japanese-American disloyalty and there did not occur a Japanese army of invasion on our soil. Just imagine what would have happened to those Japanese Americans if we were under invasion and the Japanese Americans collaborated with the enemy as did the Armenians in Ottoman Turkey.

Gayaneh, our rabid little Armenian heroine, look in the mirror and face the ugly, bloody history of your terrorist ancestors. The Armenian terrorists of 100 years past in Ottoman Turkey,  make today's Osama bin Laden and his al Qaida hoodlums look like Mickey Mouse operators. The Armenian goon squads of that era took 100 times more lives than did the amateur Osama.

But we digress. Stop with the evasion. When are you and your ilk going to get off the stolen lands of Native Americans?

Gayaneh
Gayaneh

Jake the Turk...Are your govt or are your govt not thriving and using up the wealth, the lands, the magnificient artifacts that they stole by rape, murder, GENOCIDE from Armenians and other Christians?? Until you face up the truth you will get nothing but questions in return...

you are either totally ignorant about your own history or you are acting stupid intentionally.. which one is it??..

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