Is Chuck Smith Sitting on a Calvary Chapel Pastor Who Failed to Report a Child Abuser?

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We've been reporting on the saga of Alex Grenier, son of Calvary Chapel Visalia pastor Bob Grenier, who has come forward to decry the child-abuser friendly atmosphere in the Calvary Chapel galaxy through tales of his own physical abuse at the fists of his father. The Calvary Chapel minions are freaked out of their mind, none more than founder Chuck Smith, who trashed Grenier during a private meeting AND from the pulpit.

Grenier, God bless his soul, isn't relenting, even in the face of anonymous Internet threats. Indeed, he's doubling down by publishing testimonials he presented to Chuckie that corroborate Grenier's own abuse, and revealing a case where a CCer went to Bob Grenier claiming sexual abuse--and Bob supposedly did nada.

Alex published the account corroborating Grenier's abusive familial ways on his blog, appropriately titled Calvary Chapel Abuse. It wasn't some random pal of Grenier but a former Calvary Chapel Visalia board member, who says Bob Grenier confessed to his board that he once struck another son, Geoff, in the face. "Bob also told me many horrible things about Geoff, Alex and Paul, to justify their estrangement--my response was to advise him to not be vindictive, to forgive, to ask for forgiveness and to seek reconciliation," said the former board member, whose identity Alex is protecting. "I believe Bob's hard heart toward his sons, has led to great harm to the Church, the name of our Lord and to his personal ministry."

According to Alex, this testimonial moved Chuckie to tell him that he "believes" Alex's allegations of physical abuse at the fists of his father. But even more damning is another testimonial Alex says he presented to Chuckie and his lawyers during his fateful meeting, which hasn't been published but which Grenier provided to the Weekly.

In it, a mother writes that she went to Bob Grenier in 2000 for advice on what to do regarding her daughter's claims of sexual abuse at the hands of her husband. The woman (whose name the Weekly is withholding) claims that Grenier told her "that the important thing was to keep my marriage intact, that it was wrong to report [the abusive husband] to the District Attorney's office and I could no longer teach Sunday school or keep maintaining the grounds." She ignored Grenier's advice and went to the authorities, who arrested the abusive stepdad but had to release him due to statute of limitations.

An attempt to reach Bob Grenier for comment has yet to be returned, and Chuckie wouldn't talk to us even if the Rapture came, and he was assured a spot in heaven by talking to my damned soul. If the woman's charge is true, it wouldn't be surprising that Bob Grenier is still in charge of Calvary Chapel Visalia--after all, Chuckie has condoned sexual sinners before. Details to come...
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ageofknowledge
ageofknowledge

One bad apple can do a lot of damage... but then it's a bad apple in a large orchard let's not forget. We see it in the public education system and atheist organizations as well; http://www.nobeliefs.com/comme...

Eddiemar23
Eddiemar23

Is this really the o.c weekly or just another fake blog?

Crossvegasfam
Crossvegasfam

A pastor has a problem with his kid and it becomes Chuck Smiths problem along with Calvary Chapel's. Man come on, how can Chuck be held responsible and why is it Chuck Is to blame? Maybe the kid was a big pain, being disrespectful and causing pain in the family. We should remember there are Three sides to every story, yours, mine and Gods! Let it go.

Rich S
Rich S

You are an anathema to the household of GOD.

mark schlager
mark schlager

Powerful men behind the Church continue to exploit the hopeless in order to receive YOUR money. It is a business and a reason why I am not part of any religious institution. Cannot even trust your own so-called sacred place of worship. Child abuse, molestation, political corruption.....When will the Church stop funding wars all around the world? Is that how they stay in power in terms of political influence and profit? The Church = corruption and the true hands of the NWO. Free humanity from the jaws that is religion!

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Wow, the hater turnout and CC Apologist turnout is pretty low thus far. Maybe the Acceptance Phase is finally kicking in that Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel do in fact have a major problem. Tim Kosnoff's team of Attorneys sure think so (another great meeting to share information with them btw, lots of CC'ers and CC players to be deposed about all sorts of very interesting situations). Remember, Acceptance is the first step to recovery Calvary Chapel! You do, in fact, have a major problem...and your stubbornness and unwillingness to listen, repent and reform is going to cost you a whole bunch of your precious money (even GuideStar your Lawsuit Insurance ain't gonna get you out of this mess, and more victims and more Lawsuits are coming).

Jimmy Rhee
Jimmy Rhee

This is a story I can get behind (although it's completely hearsay and probably 50% fiction). Chuck Smith is a complete lunatic. Just read any one of his books.

documents
documents

Gustavo...that's quite an axe you have to grind.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Paul Grenier, Bob Grenier's blood son has reported that he was molested by Pastor Bob Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia. Paul has reported this (as I have) to Dave Rolph and Chuck Smith, Brian Brodersen, Roger Wing of CCOF, the licensing arm of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa of which Chuck Smith is listed as President in IRS docs.

It's much more than Bob Grenier's child abuse and corruption, there are molestation allegations by Bob's son as well. Children are in danger and Chuck Smith turns a blind eye which is why he's being sued by the 4 boys who got molested in the Calvary Chapel System (See the Tim Kosnoff lawsuit currently in court as I type this, Chuck Smith, Raul Ries, Dale Goddard and others are named in that suit).

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Rich, are you referring to Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel leadership for their corruption, lying and irresponsibility when it comes to protecting children in the System/Movement and doing the right thing?

Generationpraise
Generationpraise

Hey Alex... I'm just reading all of this for the first time.  Have you or your brother pressed charges of abuse against your father?  Is there a legal ruling on this?  I'm curious why you're taking this approach as opposed to a legal approach if a crime has been committed.  I'm also curious to know if there are board members of the church who have knowledge of child abuse what action are they taking?  I'm not suggesting that what you're saying is true of not true.  I honestly don't know.  I'm just wondering if it is as serious as you say, why are you trying to discredit an entire group of churches based on your personal issue with your father as opposed to dealing with it in the appropriate manner in a court of law?  Personally, I'm for justice and I'm also for the removal of church leaders who use the name of God to abuse people, but I'm confused by your methods.

Joe
Joe

No thats not it Alex, it's called "A Boy Cries Wolf Syndrome".  People are growing weary of your silliness.  Every issue you bring up about abuse, or alleged crimes are followed up by you, with well the cops investigated it then dropped the charges or dropped the investigation.  It always ends that way with your stories.  Therefore you have no credibility.  I have told you several times just drop it dude, you sound like a crybaby with issues..................but you continue like a child that needs attention, thats it really isn't it, you need attention.....Alexa needs Chi-Chi..............    

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Actually it's not. I know the family, spoke personally with the mother and daughter. The step-father confessed to molesting the girls. Unlike Bob Grenier and other Calvary Chapel Pastors, this man actually copped to his sin, faced up to the consequences, to the point of being arrested and spending 4 days in jail, until the DA's Office in Tulare County came back and said the Statute of Limitations had expired to file criminal charges for molestation. Bob Grenier, Calvary Chapel Pastor in good standing (and Visalia Police Department Chaplain) tried to get the mom to NOT report the abuse, even though he is a Mandatory Reporter. That's the Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel way.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Generationpraise, you can go to the CalvaryChapelAbuse.com website to review much of the story and information and testimonies (which is evidence, a 24 year Calvary Chapel Board member came forward with explosive testimony that Bob Grenier reported what is felony child abuse, punching his son Geoff in the face, the CC Board, but the Board didn't report the crime and covered it up, which is what they have been taught to do by practice and by the Distinctives and Larry Taylor's Assisting Pastors Handbook etc. They are to "Touch not God's Anointed" and are there to protect the CC Senior Pastor, not question him or rule against him). 

There is also an extensive live interview with Remnant Radio out of Phoenix Arizona here (You can hear CHUCK SMITH in his own words address this situation, the live interview was Saturday, December 2, 2011, very fresh. Listen to what I have to say, listen to what Chuck Smith has to say): http://www.blogtalkradio.com/w...

Matt
Matt

Joe: As a cop, let me tell you the fact that charges don't get filed doesn't mean that nothing happened or that we don't believe the allegations. Sometimes, through the passage of time, there just isn't the physical evidence to file charges. It becomes a he-said/she-said type of deal and those are sometimes hard to win in court.

There are thousands, if not millions, of children who are abused in many ways throughout this country and to call them "crybabies" shows how ignorant you are of the issue.

Josepha
Josepha

"People are growing weary", Hey Joe, speak for yourself, nobody authorized you to speak for everybody.  Alex, continue doing what you're doing, though I don't always agree with how you do things, I support you in exposing the sickos, they must be held accountable. 

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Yahtzee! Bingo! We have a winner. Knew I could count on "Joe". Nice to see you ma'am.

Blueskies3
Blueskies3

....extremely unprofessional attitude and article, with no backup or evidence. Calling him "Chuckie" is really immature of you and what about the remark "many horrible things" regarding what Bob's sons have done? Where's that part of the report? One day you will be held accountable for your actions. What sarcastic remarks will you use then? Next time you want to be taken seriously, get ALL the facts and tone down your name calling and obvious hate for those in your story. Act like the professional your peers expect you be.

Joe
Joe

Based on what credible evidence?  Gus ...........your sensationalizing heresay..........I like the comment about Anonymous Internet Threats..please provide specifics?  Dude have you not got any stories that are of an issue?  A boy was slapped in the face?  Ah maybe he deserved it? Ah my Mom slapped me a time or two, in the face, Ah because that happens when you talk back to mom......what world do you girls live in?  You and Alexa must be lovers............ 

Alex
Alex

You obviously haven't done your homework and know very little about this situation...and/or have a lack of understanding.

Generationpraise
Generationpraise

Didn't really address what you're doing to go after the District Attorney and the Police Department for covering up a crime in your family.  Also, you haven't addressed what you're doing to leverage the press against the church in whatever town you're from that has the authority to remove the pastor from the pulpit.  It seems that if you're serious about resolving the situation you would take action at the level where something can be done rather than attack a group of churches - most of whom don't know who you are or the situation you're in.  This reminds me of the lady who posted a video on you tube going off on her rich husband who was divorcing her.  It's more of a family issue gone viral.  Your story is more of a he said she said, private conversations and it's hard to verify your facts without documentation from the District Attorney, police reports, etc.  Even a radio program where Chuck empathizes with your position isn't proof of a crime.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Actually, CC has "disaffiliated" CC Pastors for teaching Topically as opposed to Verse by Verse, for being "Calvinist" etc. Seems Child Abuse and Spiritual Abuse, etc is no biggie to them, which is very dangerous.

Generationpraise
Generationpraise

I listened to the radio and read the blog.  Seems like it's a personal issue between family members.  Is there a reason that an investigation did not take place by the District Attorney?  Are you going after the local police department and District Attorney for covering up a crime as well?  Seems pretty focused against Calvary Chapels in general.  Again, I'm for justice and I'm against spiritually abusive leadership.  Calvary Chapel has no legal authority in the matter.  I'm sure they would disaffiliate a pastor who is charged with committing a crime as they have done in the past.  But I believe the most effective course of action would be to pursue a legal suit via an attorney against the participating parties.  I don't really see the value in slandering a group of churches, most of whom have no knowledge about this situation.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

blah, blah, blah, same ignorant anonymous troll.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Chuck Smith addressed the situation and acknowledged on the record that the Calvary Chapel Board Member's outing of Bob Grenier's confession to the CC Board of child abuse (and subsequent cover up and non-reporting) in fact happened. Hear it for yourself.

Streets
Streets

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah......same old story.....go here so you can read blah, blah, blah,......no court dicisions, no arrest, no police investigations..........only rumor, inuendo, and blah, blah ,blah..... 

Joe
Joe

I have no problem with exposing "Sickos" as you state.  I just want to see hard evidence and not ones allegations that have no merit, they are simply allegations.  You must be one of those that thinks that everything they read, is true.......

Joe
Joe

Your welcome Alexa...............nice to see there is another side of you, besides hating on CC  :)

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Blueskies3, sounds like you've "got a bee in your bonnet" and are a Chuck Smith "Crony". You bark like a "yappy little dog" and you sound like your full of "hate and vindictiveness" toward Gustavo. LOL. At least that's how Chuckie would frame you for your disagreement and challenging. ROTFLOL.

Some Scripture for your consideration "Blueskies3" (I know, I know, it's just the Bible): 1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

Blueskies3, judge Chuckie and his "Cronies" who are doing very bad things and getting away with it. Do that and quit your yapping at Gustavo.

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