Jay Cicinelli, Fullerton Police Officer Charged in Kelly Thomas' Death, Won't Have His LAPD Pension Reviewed

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Even though Fullerton stopped paying Cpl. Jay Cicinelli on Oct. 8 -- three months after he and other Fullerton cops beat Kelly Thomas to death -- he's still getting a fatty pension paycheck.

And, today's vote by the board that oversees cop pensions in LA, ensured that that's not gonna change anytime soon. 

While on duty for the Los Angeles Police Department in 1996, Cicinelli was shot in the eye. He retired and took a disability pension. Since it was assumed that he could no longer work as a police officer, he got paid 70 percent of his salary, or about $40,000 a year, according to a Los Angeles Times story by Abby Sewell.

Cicinelli was eventually hired by the Fullerton Police Department, however, and his pay there maxed out at $88,544.

At that point, the board in LA could have reduced his disability pension. But, some things fell through the cracks, and they never heard about Cicinelli again. Not until this summer, that is, when his name was plastered in headlines worldwide for his role in Thomas' beating death. Pension department staffers then asked the board whether they could review Cicinelli's payout.

So, today's vote wasn't on whether to decrease Cicinelli's pay, but rather on whether the pension department could even look into the idea. Their vote was split 5-3, Sewell writes, adding that Cicinelli's father made an "emotional appeal" to the board members before the vote.

Ron Thomas, Kelly's father, told the Weekly he thought the board's decision was "ludicrous." 

"They need to look into it. Looking into it is not an accusation," Thomas says, adding that he's not ready to give up yet. "I'm gonna throw it right back down their throats and say, 'No, investigate this.'"

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PROWEST
PROWEST

Very sad when law enforcement do not serve and protect.

Donkey Hotay
Donkey Hotay

Corrupt, Lowlife, Criminal Cops deserve TWICE the Prison Sentence than an Ordinary Citizen would receive for the exact same offense !!

Make it so !

Newportblue65
Newportblue65

A one eyed cop !!?? You can't hire a one eyed cop !!.......

PatrickR
PatrickR

Pension Board was correct in their ruling.  The City of Los Angeles made a determination on level of disability (injury) of Cicinelli and his ability or inability to continue to do the job as a Police Officer.  The retired him with a industrial disability (job related) and pretty much washied their hands of him.  Apparently, there are no restirctions to prevent him to work and even to get hired as a Police Officer somewhere else.  Had Cicinelli been under State PERS Retirement, he would have been limited to only working part time for another PERS agency, as Fullerton was.  The surprising part was in Fullerton hiring him.  The Chief there, being a former LAPD man himself, likely had a lot to do with that decision.  I am also guessing that Cicinelli had to jump through all the POST physical requirements and must have passed them.  It also seems like Cicinelli had done more than adequate job for Fullerton before the Kelly incident.  I don't know if Fullerton uses a psychological screening exam in their hiring process, but if they don't will likely be moving to it in future hirings.  Bottom line to this story is that Cincinelli earned his pension from LAPD and gave up much more to get it than any of us will ever do in our jobs.  Once awarded, it can't be taken back.  Depending on how many years he has worked for Fullerton and how old the is, Cicinelli may also be entitled to a second pension from PERS at age 50.  That is also pretty much guaranteed, even if he is serving time in prison. 

Joe
Joe

I'm not so sure that the Pension Board should be looking at One Eyed Willie.  I think the L.A.P.D. should be looking at this case. Possible fraud is what I see!!!!    

DubV
DubV

It's funny that you complain about his being entitled to the pension and then turn around and scapegoat immigrants for the state's budget problem...

s t f u
s t f u

When do we get to see your personnel file from OCSD, Ron?

You're a fraud Ron. Shut up and mind your own fucking business.

909Jeff
909Jeff

Whats rediculous is taking this guys retirement plan away... What say you Marissa? If you build up a fat 401k over there at the weekly then you commit a crime... Should we strip you of your benifits? And we already know this guy isnt going to get life in prison so how is he going to support himself after he gets out?  Most of you are thinking you dont really care, and thats fine.  Just realize when he finds himself to be completely broke and jobless he's gonna turn to the state.  So one way or another your gonna pay the man.

He's going to get what he deserves for the crime he comitted that has no bearing on how he served before he became an incredible douche... Let it go.

Besides, pensions, IRA's and other retirement plans in CA are protected if the primary beneficiary is a spouse or dependant.Seeing as how its a pension his wife is automatically the bene.  So, even if they did cut it off he would probably win it back in court.  

909Jeff
909Jeff

When I was in the Military 12+ years ago losing a limb was an instant discharge... No longer.  People are able to do just as much and can be useful in a myriad of capacities with disabilities.   

Besides now he doesn't have to close one eye to shoot.    

PatrickR
PatrickR

I would have thought so too because POST physical standards are pretty tough.  Am guessing it doesn't address the one vs two eye thing and just deals with vision standards.  If he had not been able to meet all the standards, Fullerton wouldn't have beeen able to hire  him. 

909Jeff
909Jeff

Are you talking to me? 

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Ew...an apologist. Did you forget he worked like for a week at the job before getting his eye shot out? Can't really build much of a pension there!

Faraday
Faraday

You kind of missed the point that he was taking a "disability pension", and while I think he deserved his disability pension after being shot and losing his eye, he had no right being a police officer with only one eye.  That is just common sense to me.  Certainly cops need depth perception to do their job.  That being said, it was negligent to hire this man in the first place in fullerton, but considering the fact that he was hired to do the same job he was claiming disability for, he should have forfeited the disability pay at the time of being hired, and only paid his salary.  The time he spent on the job in LA should be calculated in when he goes for retirement later.  This is a classic example of double dipping, collecting a disability check for the same job he was currently doing.  The review of his disability should be reviewed.  The department in fullerton took him off of paid leave, and that was their call, but it is a separate issue.  If he wasn't collecting the disability pension he would be getting zero at the moment...which is how any other police officer whom was deemed to have done something enough to be put on unpaid leave would be treated.

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

I generally agree except that he did work after he was supposedly too injured to work again.  They should review his case to consider reducing his pension. 

PatrickR
PatrickR

Gustavo, being a clown as usual.  Would you trade an eye for a monthly check?  Can't speak for Cicinelli, but I would bet that if he had been given a choice, he would rather have  kept his eye, his career with LAPD and forget the disability retirement.  Not sure what the LAPD Retirement Plan states, but I would guess that he got around 50% of his base salary in retirement.  At the salary of a Police Officer, that is not enough to live on, so he would have had to get another job which took him to Fullerton.   

909Jeff
909Jeff

C'mon, 

Thats a straight up cheap shot saying I'm an apologist.  You know what I've said in the past and I said it above the dude is going to get what he deserves.  Crying about him collecting disability or a pension is weak at best.  and does it matter when someone gets shot on duty?  

909Jeff
909Jeff

"You kind of missed the point that he was taking a "disability pension", and while I think he deserved his disability pension after being shot and losing his eye, he had no right being a police officer with only one eye."The ADA disagree's with you... And so do I.

"This is a classic example of double dipping"

LA and Fullerton are seperate entity's, If he was drawing two checks from OC or LA then yes... Based on your logic someone who served for 20 years and is collecting a retirement benefit would not be able to seek employment otherwise lose the pension they spent 20 years earning.

"If he wasn't collecting the disability pension he would be getting zero at the moment...which is how any other police officer whom was deemed to have done something enough to be put on unpaid leave would be treated." 

And he is... no where does it say that he has to forfeit all forms of compensation or income. Including those earned with previous employers.  

Many of our service members who are coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan who are injured will receive some form of monetary compensation for the rest of their lives.  Should they lose that when and if they get another job? 

Paul Zetizio
Paul Zetizio

some people can work after a debilitating accident right, but may be limited to other work. i imagine they took a chance on him and it didnt work out to good.

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