Local Catholics Already Gloating About Crystal Cathedral Purchase, Despite Coming Closure of Diocese of Orange Parishes

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Brownie: Begin the deluge!
So the big news today, as Clockwork Coker posted earlier, is that the Diocese of Orange bought the Crystal Cathedral, a development we correctly predicted months ago, and long before any other media outlets. Sure, that's a bit of gloating, but it's nothing like the pedo-apologists who despise me for showing how Bishop Tod D. Brown, Mater Dei, and all the things they love aided and abetted pedophile priests, and are currently leaving me all sorts of hilarious voicemail and email rubbing the sale in my face. Um, yeah...

Typical is the following letter, which assumes I'm angry that Brownie won the bidding war against Chapman University--which couldn't be farther from the truth.

The letter, of course, is anonymous. Come out and play, pendejo!

Must frustrate you like hell to see that even after a $100 million in settlements, the Catholic Diocese of Orange is still able to pay-up $55 million IN CASH for the Crystal Cathedral.  All the anti-Catholic effort that you, the media, and Hollywood try and spew to bring us down isn't working too well.  But I do want to thank you for helping us sift out the weak superficial Catholics, because those are the only ones who would be influenced by your immature efforts.  I wonder what its like to be so frustrated, bitter, angry, cynical, and critical, every day. ... must be tough to be you.  I do you give you kudos for making it easy for us to write to you ... Which means letters like mine don't really effect you much ... but neither to [sic] yours.

HILARIOUS! News, frustrating to me? Not at all. Me, anti-Catholic? It's Brownie and his donors who have protected and apologized for pedophiles since forever. It's Brownie who's going to start dismantling as much of the Orange diocese as he can to pay the $57.5 million price tag: lost in all the buzz about the sale was how Brownie plans to raise the cash. Don't believe the whiny Catholic above: it's not an all-cash transaction. All the Orange County Register reported was, "Brown said money for the purchase of the property will come from loans and sale of various properties owned by the diocese."

And what are some of those properties going to be? Parishioners at St. Callistus in Garden Grove, not far from the Crystal Cathedral, are going to have to find a new home, as Brownie unceremoniously decided to offer the campus to the Schuller clan. The current diocesan headquarters at Marywood will also be gone, and don't be surprised if Brownie uses the excuse of his new plaything to shut down other parishes, ESPECIALLY the poor Latino ones. OC Catholics, according to my sources who have never failed me, can also expect more admonitions for donations. But selling off all the fancy homes where priests live? Not in a long shot. One of Brownie's two two-story houses? HA!

Me, bitter? Not at all. This story is only going to get better, and everyone will soon realize that the Crystal Cathedral purchase--although better than Brownie's proposed $100 million cathedral; His Excellency should be lighting multiple votive candles to whoever is the patron saint of bankruptcy for saving his ass from that monstrosity--will be the bishop's enduring legacy: all shine, overkill, and avarice, with no substance whatsoever. Crystal Cathedral parishioners fretting that Catholics are now taking over: don't worry. Brownie's homilies are as vacuous as anything Old Man Schuller ever offered. Heckuva job, Brownie!

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Johannim
Johannim

Arellano, excellent, commentary, ya i happen to be a very Traditional Catholic but you seem to have nailed it square on the head vis a vis Brownie and others like Mahoney, Law, Bernardine, Weakland, not only pedophile protectors but some were active sick pedophiles themselves. The Catholic church is an awesome thing but got lazy after the secularization of the post vat 2 church, when peds were preferred to straights in seminaries and in diocese chancellories only sister trixie's were allowed to determine who qualified for seminaries and usually not Str boys, so whadda you get the pedophile raping for 40 yrs. Other side of the coin the Catholic church worldwide feeds educates and helps heal more people on this planet than any other know institute or country. pope John Paul 2 stuck his head you know where when it came to cleaning up the child rapists and his reward will be sainthood, but Benedict 16 i believe is trying to clean up the mess of the last 40 years with a zero tolerance for pedophiles in the priesthood and religious, just my opinion sir-----Johannim

kirk coburn
kirk coburn

Dude were you drunk when you wrote this!?

SmellsBells
SmellsBells

Man, you really are one hateful and angry loser.  Did/do you take it in the twins against your will?

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Not being a homosexual, I don't get your homoerotic whispers...

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

I would just like to point out that the patron saint of bankruptcy is St. Elizabeth Ann Seton.

Also, my extended family worships at St. Callistus—it's nice for me because I can wander over there from work for things like Dirty Forehead Day Mass, whereas I'd have to drive to Our Lady of Transparency.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

And, of course, she's represented in Brownie's see...

Frank
Frank

As a business proposition-the Church needed a cathedral church and additonal space for offices. etc-and the cost, while not cheap, is a bargain compared to building new.

As a steward of possibly the most important piece of church architecture built in the last 100 years-it ensures that people will be attending services there 500 years from now.

As the worlds oldest and largest bureaucracy (with all it's faults and sins that come with it) the Catholic Church as the luxury of thinking in that kind of time frame....hence the purchase makes sense on many levels.

BurrUnderSaddle
BurrUnderSaddle

Spot on, Frank!!  Only now, RCDO has assessed the CC's deteriorating physical plant and is "requesting" that repairs be performed before taking possession.  Examples:

1 - The glue holding the "10,000" glass panes to the steel space-frame is ageing ... small cracks letting in water ... how to fix?

2 - Major portions of the magnificent Hazel Wright organ are unusuable, due to serious water damage from the leaking roof ... hundreds of thousands of dollars (at least) to fix...

3 - The furniture, organ casework and pipework, and stonework has been damaged by years of air pollution and neglect (the CC is "naturally cooled" - no A/C) ... more $$$ to fix ...

4 - Similar problems in other CC campus buildings ...

What do you think will happen next?

junior
junior

All of that was taken into consideration during the bid process by all parties.

That is why it sold for $50 mil+ and not $75 mil

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Don't believe the hype: the Orange diocese didn't need a new cathedral. It was just a vanity project for Brownie.

top_man
top_man

Have you ever attended mass at the current cathedral? I have had to stand many many time because the place was at capacity. Yes the county needed at new cathedral and to be honest this place isn't any uglier than the one in down town los angeles. In 80 years they will tear it down and put up the church they really wanted. whats 80 years to a 2000 year old institution.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Not only have I attended Mass at Holy Family, I was there during the Red Mass, when the princes of Brownie and his rich men ignored all the sex-abuse victims who stood outside in the pouring rain, never invited in by the fuckers.

Frank
Frank

I think that building new was the vanity project he really wanted...however, reality got in the way so this was the "budget" alternative...

Remember that building big cathedrals is in the Catholic Church's DNA, going back at least 1000 years (all you have to do is take a trip to Rome or for that matter St. Patricks)........it's what they do.  Now BUYING one from the Protestants-now that's a new twist!!!

Remember, think in thousand-year timeframes and you'll understand why it wasn't a hard call for our dear bishop....buying one that the Evangelicals built that was designed by a gay man of all things is humble pie in their world view.  It's the same reason my alma mater LMU dug deep into their finances to buy the soon to be empty Hughes/Raytheon corporate office building right next to LMU-it was available dirt cheap and as a result they were able to pay for it by expanding enrollment...

I have never been on campus there but understand that there is available land that Chapman was going to use to develop apartments - is that correct?  How big a piece of land is it?  If its large enough-could other Catholic institutions (Servite HS was rumored to be looking to move a few years ago until the economy killed that) build there???

Frank
Frank

yes I do....and think of it this way..if you are thinking in terms of using that facility for the next 250+ years, and the population of OC grows and the demographics become even more Catholic-it's an even more foresighted buy even though the church facility itself is a bit extravagant...

As a busines proposition-makes sense.  From a PR point of view-it leaves the Church wide open to the usual critics, with some validity.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Ah, it's the Frank I know.  You still owe me Italian food haha! I do agree with you that this was ultimately the better alternative that building a $100 million vanity project—but it still shows that Brownie is only looking out for his legacy, and no one else.

Mrs. Wilcox Gold
Mrs. Wilcox Gold

Catholic priests in glass houses?  I anticipate a devastating earthquake soon.

junior
junior

 You are hilarious Mrs. Wilcox Gold .. not. 

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

It's amazing how much of an apologist you are--that you still defend the Diocese of Orange shows how fundamentally pendejo you are. Figures you graduated from Mater Dei...

junior
junior

"Parishioners at St. Callistus in Garden Grove, not far from the Crystal Cathedral, are going to have to find a new home, as Brownie unceremoniously decided to offer the campus to the Schuller clan."

Their new home will be "Our Lady of the Los Angeles Angels of Garden Grove, near Anaheim, at the Crystal Cathedral."  They won't need St. Callistus church.

"The current diocesan headquarters at Marywood will also be gone .."

Assuming your guess is correct - so what?  Marywood will not be necessary with the new facilities at the Glass Palace.

".. don't be surprised if Brownie uses the excuse of his new plaything to shut down other parishes, ESPECIALLY the poor Latino ones."

I guess that you haven't seen the new construction going on at Our Lady of Guadalupe Church on 3rd St. in Santa Ana Gustavo.

EDDIE WEST
EDDIE WEST

Mike,

Let's get together and set a meeting with the Bishop, Maybe we convince him to take over ANOTHER civic stadium so Mater Dei and Servite can use it together. With No only a few of us "WHITEY'S" left in Santa Ana (God Bless Tom and Nancy Lutz!) we'll move to a better place where Mexicans and Soccer fanatics don't live!!

I don't kno what these other bleeding heart assholes think, but Mater Dei owned this town back in the day when white guys like you and Rob Richardson, Tom Lutz played. Now it's just about a bunch of Brownies wanting to play soccer.

Next thing you know those yellow bastards from Garden grove and Westminister will want a badmitton stadium!

Let's keep taking the money from these families Tardiff, and maybe if were lucky, one of those Mexicans with a spare tire for a shoe, will be a .350 hitter from hitting all those Corona caps, then we can wave to Jesus and give him tuition. Ickes said, "give the beaner a shot, I'm not paying for it" So let's go mike!

ASSHOLE

junior
junior

There is only one "f" in Tardif.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

And I guess you don't remember Brownie's campaign against St. Isidore in Los Al...

top_man
top_man

St. Isidore is not in a poor latino neighborhood. 

junior
junior

I remember St. Isidore - the community, the Diocese and St. Hedwig Parish are working together rather well there, as you can see from this OC Reg article:http://epaper.ocregister.com/R...  

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

That you even cite the Register for anything truthful shows how deluded you are...

cjleete
cjleete

I don't practice religion in any church. Now that I have hopefully disqualified myself as an apologist to either papists or charismatic evangelicals, I must say that the sight of people tearing each other down over this matter is dismaying, and does nothing to foster any hope for humankind other than from some kind of divine intervention. 

JEWBALL
JEWBALL

WRONG Gustavo-

For this devout Catholic, this is an insane purchase.

Do you know how much curtains are going to cost for Fr. John and his accomplices to hide behind all that glass.

At least at Marywood, Fr. Smith could control access (and facilitate a quick international flight, First Class, when needed).

I think this is a dangerous move

cessnadriver
cessnadriver

The Krystal Katherdral Komplex going Catholic.

Makes my day.

Been there, it's a piece of crap. They shouldn't have bought it. 

20ftJesus
20ftJesus

"Must frustrate you like hell to see that even after a $100 million in settlements, the Catholic Diocese of Orange is still able to pay-up $55 million IN CASH for the Crystal Cathedral."

--I think it's sad that people give that much money, and, therefore, that much power to an organization so morally bankrupt.

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

We are in total agreement! There IS something seriously wrong with the fact that our local, state and federal governments are broke but the Catholic Diocese of Orange is doing well enough that it can scrounge up $55 MILLION DOLLARS to acquire more assets. It must be nice to be tax-exempt.

mitch young
mitch young

Pining for those days in the sacristy, eh Gustavo? Don't blame yourself, all those 'special teenager' eventually get replaced by a younger model.

Stephanie A. Richer
Stephanie A. Richer

Ah, Gustavo, only making your commentary at 12:30 pm PST?  Sleeping in, eh?  Anyway, I've blogged my fears as to who is on the chopping block.  A parish?  No . . . but a school?  It wouldfit Brown's modus operandi, que no?

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

 Here's the cool thing, Stephanie: I can make my commentary whenever I want, and trolls (not you in this instance, but almost) will act like seals scrambling for the fish bucket to try and get my attention. I get paid as one of the zookeepers here, so I LOVE it!

And, yes: a parish, if not a couple more. My sources are better than yours ;-)

Linda
Linda

Y .... No representas a los Mexicanos que aman la Iglesia!!!

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

So you liked all those children who were molested, and the hierarchy who protected them? COCHINA!

EL CHIQUITO MEDALLAS
EL CHIQUITO MEDALLAS

Linda y la libertad de expresion? where is it? esta Gustavo Mintiendo? puedes probarlo? o eres una pendeja mas de las que prepara el pozole para la kermess para comprale ropa al cura? shouldnt you be cooking for your family now? lol.........pinche subersiva.............jajaja

Culichi1967
Culichi1967

Lindita Linda,

Shut your boca up, pinchi apologetic wab. Why the fuck would ANYONE want to be the one who represent los Mexis que tipicamente callan todo y sin decir nada? Not me, not Gustavo, nor any sensible person who actually knows right from wrong.

History will prove who stood on the right side of this chaos. And right now Jesusito is sticking his finger down his throat to induce himself after seeing what organized religion has done to his flock. Asi que se me calla la boca, comformista.

Linda
Linda

Gustavo.... you're an asshole!!!!!!

Third World
Third World

Yes We bought it it feels sooooooooooooooooooooo good gustavoarellano

Bodkind
Bodkind

As a cradle Catholic, what I find most shocking about the wealth and political influence of Diocese of Orange Bishop Todd Brown and his life-long attorney, Maria Schinderle, is that law enforcement in the OC has turned its back on the serious crimes committed against unsuspecting children, adults, employees and the faithful in the pews.  Imagine this fact:  All the Diocesan employees, attorneys, sheriff and district attorney employees who aided and abetted the Diocese of Orange in covering up crimes against children, will be held SOLELY responsible for placing political objectives before protecting the public from danger.  Especially, when the Diocese of Orange continues to abuse its wealth and political influence after the takeover of the Crystal Cathedral.  Hard to believe that such a corrupt religious institution and its attorneys can continue to escape their crimes and civil rights violations, without being held accountable. They say MONEY buys JUSTICE.... but in the case of the OC Diocese, MONEY buys years of CRIMES and escape from being held accountable.  SHAME SHAME SHAME.., parents, guard your children as many still believe no one is safe while under the supervision of Diocesan employees, teachers, administrators, coaches. 

qdpsteve
qdpsteve

Yeah, but something tells me you would have been equally irritable if your not-so-beloved alma mater Chapman had successfully acquired the Giant Glass Gob, Gustavo. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...):-)

top_man
top_man

Gustavo attended Chapman? That speaks volumes about why he hates Catholics. 

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Totally wrong, Steve (and, like I said, I'm not irritable that Brownie bought it; just more grist for our rag!). Chapman doesn't protect pedophiles, for one...

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