Four Arrested at Occupy Orange County Santa Ana For Camping

• Hey "Guest", if I was all up in your guts, would you think that was a joke?

• Hey "Guest", why don't you come and be a "guest" of my nuts.

• Too bad they all are not being arrested for being totally stupid.This ocuupy crap is lame.

• Fighting for rights with bongo drums, peace signs and patchouli oil...seriously?? Vegasle might have lost his humanity...but you have lost your grip on reality.

• I remember in the late 1960's and 70's the meaning of occupy was to actually enter and forcefully occupy a Government or College admin building, whatever the group were protesting. Lawfully protesting outside a building is NOT an occupation, it is a demonstration, and in time will prove totally ineffective. What we need is to actually hurt the bankers and CEO's but how and what to do? Actually Occupy a few Bank branch offices? (preferably Chase) rest assured, the government will support them firmly! No, I am not suggesting armed conflict. That would not be wise in this time of a Patriot Act empowered gestapo, and politically it would be self defeating. But I bet some bankers might change their actions, (if not their undies)  I am just saying what is going on nationally soon will be forgotten and then back to business as usual.

• There was a mocking post on your facebook wall  "Only 63% to go - LOL!"  AP-GfK Poll: 37 percent support ‘Occupy Wall Street’ protesters; politics angers most people http://news.yahoo.com/ap-gfk-poll-37-percent-public-back-protests-173814241.html What you dont realize is that even 37 % is a huge number. Nothing just starts from 70 or 80 %. Plus a lot of people may be 'Undecided', which doesn't mean that they are against it. With time this number will increase. You being a bitch* isn't going to help anyone's cause. * Credit to your profile picture.

• This protest that they are doing is nothing but a circuit party, right ? Idiots like you is the reason why others have to go out and protest to get this country back on track. 

• The real joke are the protesters like you. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and figure out how to make some real money.

• Have you bothered to read who KMF or Faithful Sentinel are? KMF is a guy in Redding, CA a retirement community and republican stronghold with a fairly consistent 16% un-employment rate among its roughly 89,600 residents the population is 89.9% white. and a fairly constant 16% unemployed. In 2007 Redding was the proposed site of a KKK rally (http://www.redding.com/news/2007/oct/06/kkk-rally-planned/) Faithful Sentinel is the owner of some "Emergency" freeze dried food supplier following the Mormon belief that people be prepared for the communist invasion by hoarding one months supply of food. I can tell from reading her facebook page that she is a typical tea bagger. Preaching "United we Stand Divided we fall" (as long as you stand along her beliefs not necessarily fair or just beliefs)

• You are not interested in “trying to find support for THESE occupy knucklheads”.  You would not support us if your life depended on it and the irony is that it does.  You are fooling yourself if you think you are not part of the 99%.  You are probably one paycheck away from the street and you support the 1% of those greedy people as if you ever have a chance to become one of them.  We want everyone to pay their fair share.  We want Wall Street regulated so this recession will not occur again.  Our young student’s end collage with a 25,000 debt on their shoulders and no jobs available.  All our high tech jobs are going overseas to India and other places.  We are speaking out for all of the 99% of which you are one.

• Do we need to resort to name calling to get our point across?

• You are right I saw a large community of homeless people there and that is why that law was written.  Also after the protests of the 60's and 70's  the cities tightened up on the permits to try and prevent citizens right to gather and protest. With George W. Bush we got “Free speech zones” also known as free speech cages and protest zones to keep the voices in the background.  They cannot tell us we cannot gather in any public area.  As for occupying the whole idea is to break out of the zones

• Look you clueless twit, you don't get to give protestors a list of instructions on how to protest in the exact way you want.  Obviously another dumb rich white country-club Repuglican anal-retentive fascist in training.  F*** off and start your own protest, replete with smug extended rulebook.  Joke.

• Your post doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.  Personally I recommend pulling your head out of your ass before you start typing.

• "So my question is - if these tax cuts for the wealthy, which went into effect in 2001 and signed by George W. Bush and further tax cuts signed by Bush in 2003 were supposed to create jobs. I ask where are the jobs? Supposedly these tax cuts (now in effect for ten years) were supposed to trickle down and create jobs. Instead what happened is we ended up losing a record amount of jobs and the nation plummeted - but hey it has nothing to do with Bush." The jobs created with the tax cuts are primarily in China & India with some in Mexico, Costa Rica, and now some going to Egypt.  The Chinese workers are now enjoying a lifestyle we in this country enjoyed in the 1960's and guess what? even WALMART employees in China enjoy Union Representation. True, it is not the same as many labor agreements here in the US but the fact is the most anti union employer in the world is bound by a labor agreement in China, while many WALMART employees with families in the USA enjoy taxpayer subsidies for their Medi-cal, & food stamps as they cannot afford to live on WALMART wages. All the while the offspring of Sam are among the wealthiest & greediest creatures in the USA. Old Sam Walton must be rolling in his grave!

• Who is that? Your houseboy or the guy who mows your lawn. Oh, that's right. You live in an apartment in Anacrime. Awesome. The whole Kelly Thomas thing is fading. Fast. Told you.

• I've read your rantings. You're just an over-excited idiot. But, hey, keep up the good work.

• First, learn to spell. Second, have someone explain what I meant. Third, get back to the protest which is not going to change anything. Loser.

• If the cops were not there to protect the silver spoon'ers, then there would have been a problem. The show of force was not about the fifty or so protestors, but was all about keeping the scores of criminals from descending upon these defenseless sheep and cattle and mopping up the street with them.And to think that these silver spoon’ers have not given up anything in their lives have they?

• The police in Santa Ana are arresting people for being somewhere illegally, without permission or a government document saying they can be there? That's ironic.

• Well; I think arresting should be done always after alerting once; without warning this makes a bit disappointing.

• The first amendment makes it clear that you can not have laws that restrict free speech. So, I must say that you are wrong in your statement, Jack. You have the right to free speech any time and at any (public) place. Those who were arrested were not camping. The tents were part of a protest. If that can not be considered free speech, then what is next? Is marching no longer free speech?

• KMF, In Orange county we are dealing with a real battle, we understand we are rough around the edges, but we are also an open group and not all of us believe in this politically correct rhetoric that we have all been fed from birth. I am only speaking for myself and not the group, but I do see potential in a new America for the first time in my life.

• I didn't mean to like your post I meant to reply to it, sorry about that. But just so you know there is a city ordinance that was past in 93 that says there is no camping allowed in Santa Ana, its basically7 a law which allows the police to screw with the homeless at whim since... And since the rest of orange county are a bunch of souless, white, OC, yuppies with no soul, Santa Ana and all the churches here like the Catholic worker have to deal with the homeless... and feed them. There is no way to get a camping permit so the whole thing is a scam. Thanks

• Fyi: http://www.occupytheroseparade.org/

• Unbelievable.  Thanks for sharing, Sharon.   Let me know if OLA can help out in any way.

• Jack... if it were the tea party doing this you would be defending them saying it's our constitutional right. Don't deny it.

• Nobody not one person is talking about taxing the rich into poverty and not one person has even said that taxes on the rich will clear up the entire U.S. deficit. But what it will be is a relatively small tax on the wealthy (which is more like 1 million people not just 50) and this tax will be a small percentage in the overall program of what will get this deficit in order. Pretty much this is what is called everybody giving up a little to get the nation back on it's wheels. It's called compromise. Some of the wealthiest will most likely only be paying an additional $5,000 to $6,000 a year in taxes. That is hardly anything for someone who brings home $80,000 a month. Maybe someone who makes $500,000 in a month will pay something like an additional $25,000. The amounts of additional taxes on the wealthy won't even make a difference to them. This $25,000 is equivalent to what $100 is for someone who makes $35,000 in a year. There are many proposed cuts in the budget which will definitely affect middle and lower class people in a monetary way. It is only right that that the wealthy do their part even as little as what is being proposed - and believe me it is little. For the past ten years the U.S. has been run on the Bush economic plan, yep believe it or not we are still governed by the Bush economic plan - not the Obama plan - this is why we are still in this mess. any and all economic plans that Obama has put forth have either been filibustered to death by republicans and/or voted down by the recently republican lead congress. So my question is - if these tax cuts for the wealthy, which went into effect in 2001 and signed by George W. Bush and further tax cuts signed by Bush in 2003 were supposed to create jobs. I ask where are the jobs? Supposedly these tax cuts (now in effect for ten years) were supposed to trickle down and create jobs. Instead what happened is we ended up losing a record amount of jobs and the nation plummeted - but hey it has nothing to do with Bush.

• These people do have jobs and they are also educated. One of them is even an Iraq war vet. These people are brave enough to speak up against the imbalance of the power of the wealthy. I applaud them for speaking out against movements like the tea party which was created to protect the rich and redistribute every penny of the wealth to the wealthiest in the nation. I hope more get arrested as this will only spark the Occupy protest to get even bigger.

• I am glad these people got arrested. it gives more voice to this cause. Keep up the good work Occupiers!

• You have the right to lawful assembly tht does not give you the right to asseble any damned time & place you want.  Now if you have a permit & they try to stop you then you can have a court hearing on the matter

• Actually one of the occupiers has been given a homeless women shelter since the organization of this movement. When he met her planing the event. This is beyond a movement this is an evolution that involves looking deep into your self and doing something! doing anything to get us out of this mess we are in as a country and as a people. Cynicism is for the brain dead. It is not about breaking a law for pitching a tent. It is a symbolic gesture of a movement that is everywhere. I believe that you are very misinformed about the occupation if you were there you would understand that your statements are full of generalizations of unfounded stories that are simply not factual. I was there and I would be happy to explain and share the real events of the night.

• How many homeless people are you taking home with you when the weather gets cold?

• We are the 99% - we just don't give a damn what the 98.9999% have to say.

• It means that if you were to outright confiscate the entirety of the net worth of the 50 richest Americans, the sum of their wealth would not come close to clearing the debt of this nation. In other words, you can tax the rich into poverty and unless this government stops spending like teenagers with their parents' credit card, nothing is going to change economically.

• They are in context, including the entire clause at the bottom of my post. I broke it down into bite-size chunks in consideration of the mentality of the people to which I addressed my reply. Please, feel free to point out where I misquoted or omitted any part of the paragraph.

• Good points, Duane.  I don't think that the constitution restricts the KIND of speech that is protected, and certainly not that which is inherently political in content, and the courts have generally bent over backwards to avoid infringing on political speech.    However, cities, such as Santa Ana - ESPECIALLY SA - have learned that it's easier to get forgiveness than permission.  They have routinely violated the rights of both the homeless and all the arrestees with impunity, knowing that if anything actually makes it to court, they will lose, but hardly any cases go to court.  It's too expensive for most of the victims and the city can easily pile on additional, equally spurious charges to pressure defendant's to settle or give up.   There's an interesting site that I sometimes refer to that goes into the successful legal challenges on civil rights grounds:   libertarianrock.com   You don't have to be a libertarian to appreciate the legal resources they provide.   I'm not a big fan of Andrew Jackson - given his treatment of native Americans in particular, which was genocide - but one nice aspect of his presidency was that he opened the White House to the general public.  People could walk in - drunk or sober - and sit on the master bed and chit-chat with Andrew.  That kind of thing is less possible now in some respects and more possible in others, such as via the net.   On that note, one of the major points that Rushkoff makes in his wonderful "Life, Inc." is how corporatization has led to a huge decline in public spaces.  Isn't it a bit distressing to discover that Tijuana has public restrooms all over the place, generally open 24/7, while most U.S. cities have virtually none.  It's hard to function for long without a restroom, and polls have shown that good restrooms are at the very top of the list of what people want in a shopping mall.  So, if it's true of shopping malls, why is it not equally true of downtown Santa Ana and the Civic Center?   So, the mere fact of a lack of one of nature's necessities is enough, in itself, to discourage anyone from visiting or hanging out in the downtown area, leaving us with having to meet up at restaurants or other expensive private venues, and unable to find a safe, convenient place to peacefully assemble - unless we jump through all the hoops and then accept whatever limited time slot the authorities deign to grant us.   Why shouldn't people be able to meetup at a park or other public space, regardless of the hour (some people work 2nd or 3rd shifts), and discuss whatever they want to?  Or march around with placards to alert other people of their grievances.  I belong to several meetup groups, and each of them has to scramble just to find a place to meet.  And the silliness seems never-ending.  The Tustin Library, for example, charges an arm and a leg for use of a meetup room, even though 95% of the time the rooms are unused - because of the outrageous cost. Yet, there's no fee for much of anything if you're a lone individual.  But beware if you want to organize, even something as innocuous as a book club.  And if you can't organize in a democracy, nothing changes.

•  You opening shelters or hiring for jobs???

• Playing the game is the problem-- that's why NOTHING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. If people are educating themselves over the issues, unlike yourself, then these debates over the PR campaign of wall street protests are stupid and framed within a dialectic of paying respect to dominating power and media conglomerates when these are the same forces that are skewing and perverting the actual messages of OWS and the protesters. It is not their job to spin their case to media whores, it is their job to stand up to power. The media will depict them however best suits their interests no matter what the protesters do. What I fail to Comprehend is why OWS needs to mold itself into anything that you approve--its not about u, sorry :( _ _ You say you're different, but I am just being real, you talk shit as much as I do with your sense of entitlement and know-it-all-ism. glad I amuse you, you sicken me...

• Talk about incoherent ramblings.

• You amuse me with your pseudo-anarchic ranting.  What you fail to comprehend, among many things, is I'm actually ON the side of the occupiers.  But, unlike you, I know how to play "the game" that would make the most change.  What the occupiers are doing is going to lead to alienating the general public, and eventually become ineffectual.  Comparing the occupiers to MLK or Rosa Parks also will not gain you the support you NEED.  Tell me this...how can name calling and vile anger get you anywhere?  Before you continue spewing vulgarities and general inaccuracies, you should realize that your actions will do you more harm than good.  Have yourself a good day!  =)

• Manuel Ramos: is that you?

• Fuck you you smug asshole. Yer comment makes no sense. 

• WTF was this supposed to mean???????????????

• yep, they are leading the charge on this occupy thing-- it was the "police protesters" who started the Occupy Wall Street-- oh wait, no it wasn't, but people in Fullerton really got obnoxious about police brutality--too bad too, the policy of beating homeless men to death seems right up your alley...

• What part of PUBLIC property is so hard to grasp. Oh right, you're dumb, you're used to just saying mean spirited shit and having no one to challenge you. Why don't you go down to an occupy encampment and say the say stupid shit you said here, sure they will all SEE THE LIGHT and go home to their shitty job with furloughs, their disappearing retirements/pensions/401 ks, their crumbling city infrastructures and just be happy that they are (for now) not homeless and completely fucked. I think its so funny that it can get the bees all in your bonnet when how does this shit actually affect you. If you are in your ivory tower of righteousness, why does it matter to you if people use civil disobedience. You would have told Gandhi to stop complaining and take British Colonialism cause that was the law at the time. People like you are the reason I have so little faith in the positive progression of American politics and American life. If you like rules and structure so much there are plenty of places around the world where you could be killed for taking a stand-- maybe you should live in one of those places instead since liberty doesn't seem to mean shit to you. 

• Wow someone who can quote American documents without using them in context!! Someone should give this genius a show on FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

• I was not an organizer of the Occupy Santa Ana event, but was present when the four young men got arrested. There were anywhere between 17 and 23 police officers at the scene, quite a few of them on horseback. And for what? Nobody was engaging in violent behavior. Nobody was committing crimes. Nobody was trespassing on private property. It is absolutely remarkable how much taxpayer money was wasted last night. If I were a resident, I would be going to the next meeting of the Santa Ana City Council and expressing my outrage at this egregious misuse of resources. I just wonder how many burglaries, robberies, rapes, and other violent crimes were being committed in other parts of town while the cops, most of them probably being paid massive amounts of overtime, were standing around looking pretty for television cameras?

• I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT. When the time comes, it will be obvious who stood up against what was wrong, and who cowardly clung to the status quo that made them all warm and fuzzy in their little beds at night. Talk about being a COWARD!! HAHAHA It is SOOOOOOOOOOOO cowardly to wear a mask to make a statement about being a united voice against greed all over the world, but I guess you are unable to fit symbolism in that teeny mind cause it is so jammed packed with RULES that need to be obeyed by others cause you are such a snobby bitch you think people should conform to your expectations. In short, YOU SUCK. I am SOOOOOOO glad that MLK and Rosa Parks just "OBEYED THE RULES". That made life in America better... Rules are made by the powerful and they are not always JUST. It's not like they were flipping over cars and smashing store windows, they were peacefully assembling. 

• I enjoy every single one of my rights, thank you very much.  What I'm saying is that you need to be intelligent and sensible with your protesting...and spewing nonsensical, rhetoric will get you very little, if any, support. And, dear Sharon, you occupiers are going to need any support you get here soon.  As far as "The police can warn you not to exercise your First Amendment right to assemble...", they did no such thing.  You can speak til your little heart's content...but when you break a standing law that's been in the books, you will be exercising your freedom of speech in jail!  =)

• you are ignorant. OBVIOUSLY if you are going to bark the right wing talking point that these people need to "go get jobs" They have them you stupid cow, but they suck because a-holes like you don't support working people they just say, "Shut up and get back in your cage, or back to my fast food window so I can super size my ASS more" You Are The Problem With This Country--- YOU HAVE LOST YOUR HUMANITY. THESE ARE PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS AND YOU SCOFF AT THEM CAUSE YOU HAVE AN EMPTY PIT INSIDE WHERE DECENCY AND COMPASSION SHOULD BE. 

• Well, it sure didn't take long for all of those Fullerton police protesters to find another cause. If asked, they would probably say "Kelly who?"

• The police did not warn anybody about not to excersize your right, please get this damn straight! the police is warning not to camp out, I mean be freaken smart about the damn thing for crying out loud. The damn street is not for you to sleep on, don't you freaken people get it! These people need to go get a life, or at least a job

• Your tents do not enjoy the protection of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights any more than does my mattress. "...or abridging the freedom of speech." If you are sleeping, you are not in the process of speech. "...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,"  If you are disturbing the peace, you are no longer peaceably assembled. "...and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."  Incessantly chanting "We are 99%" is not in anyway a petition for a redress of grievances. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

• Very well-stated.  I conducted a little experiment. perhaps, some of the occupiers would like to duplicate that experiment in the spirit of the scientific method.  1) Add up the net worth of the 50 richest people in the US 2) Deduct  that number from the national debt of $14.3 trillion 3) Answer the following question: Now what?

• What part of, "it's against the law to camp on public property is so difficult to grasp?" Please post your home addresses with an open invitation for camping and written permission for that information to be forwarded to all homeless shelters within a 25 mile radius.  Don't forget to leave a set of house keys under the mat so the campers have access to toilet facilities and fresh drinking water. And please, please don't call the police if anything comes up missing - because according to your definition of "free" everybody should be "free" to take or use anything they want regardless of the law. In all honesty, 200 (max) occupiers are not representative of the sum of residents in the entire city. Your wants do not supersede the law or the rights of other law-abiding residents. They represent the majority - you don't.

• The police can warn you not to excercize your First Amendment right to assemble - you're a fool to give up your rights. We are not likely to get them back unless we FIGHT for them. Wow - who let the wusses.

• Obeying the law is what Hitler did in Germany. We are trying to save our First amendment rights, which in case you hadn't noticed, along w/ other rights are diminishing. We need changes now - the frogs are starting to boil and you haven't even noticed.

• I am REALLY trying to find support for these Occupy knuckleheads...honestly.  But, if you want MY support for your cause, please take these points of advice: 1. Obey the law!  The Occupy movement in Santa Ana was denied an overnight permit, limiting their stay until 8PM..and they were duly warned. 4 people were arrested tonight inside tents past the time...and now the "leader" is calling fascism. 2. Be civil!  This leader, musician Theo Hirsch, had his handmade sign: "F*ck the Federal Reserve and their little bitches on Wall Street.", and was claiming "The whole thing is just f*cked." pertaining to the arrests. 3. Leave your children at home!  Face it, if a person doesn't understand the reason they're standing there holding a sign...they don't need to be there. Helping mommy and daddy protest is not a valid reason. 4. Don't wear masks!  For Pete sake, what's with being a coward? This isn't China or the middle east...you won't get shot if you're recognized! THE worst thing that will happen is if your boss see's you on TV after you called in sick and fires you, in which case you shouldn't be protesting to begin with! Or else, your family see's you on TV and you embarrass them beyond belief! Take responsibility with your life for once. 5. Learn, learn, learn!  Realize the flowchart for how and why we're in this predicament. Don't take the easy way out and blindly follow the reasoning for why you're protesting. 6. Speak for yourself!  Trust me, you do not speak for 99% of the country. You speak for yourself and a few others protesting...otherwise we'd be there with you. I would love for one day to be a millionaire...and trust me, I wouldn't want to be over taxed myself. (I won't even get into taxing the rich for more when government would waste that money too!)   7. Know the consequences!  Know that, even if you apply the above rules, the possibility of chaos is there. You really do NOT want what's happening in Europe to happen here...even in a lesser form! Do not think for one minute if any of these protests get out of hand, the general public will stand behind you. Stay civil, and obey the laws!

• Excuse me, Mr Hirsch. These protesters, as well as you, knew that  the occupiers were warned NOT to camp...that the permit was good til only 8PM. You reap what you sow. Break the law after being deliberately told not to...get arrested. Mr Kirsch, your contempt makes your cause less credible to those you're hoping will support you.

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