Cal State Fullerton Gets a Queer Studies Minor--And Its First Haters

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Cal State Fullerton recently approved a queer studies minor, and starting this fall, students will examine the culture of gender and sexuality in courses such as Queer Theory, Sexual Orientations and American Culture and The Psychological Study of LGB Experiences. The program was pushed for after a string of highly publicized suicides by young gay men, according to the Orange County Register. Administrators say they want members of the LGBT community on campus to see themselves reflected in the university's curriculum.

Though some people don't want young minds exposed to such topics. 

OneNewsNow.com, the "news" site of the Christian conservative American Family Association, opens an article like this: 
 
"California State University-Fullerton has initiated a progam [sic] for Queer Studies in what may be the start of a full-force takeover by homosexual activists in the public school system." 

Forrest Turpin of Christian Educators Association International fears the program may eventually become a mandate similar to SB 48, which requires that California public schools incorporate the contributions of gays and lesbians in their lessons.
 
"I just would be afraid that it's a beginning," Turpin told the website. "They always start with step number one and continue down the line."
  
He also added, "The university is empowering them by allowing and promoting their point of view. What they're not doing is empowering students who have a different viewpoint and would like to have their perspectives in the marketplace of thought and discussions."

Michael Brown, author of A Queer Thing Happened to America, told The Christian Post that he believes the minor is "a totally wrong course of action [for schools], helping to undo gender distinctions, or as others have argued, to blend gender or end gender or bend gender." 

Other just call it "learning." 

Fullerton is the fourth Cal State to create a queer studies minor. San Diego State recently became the second university in the nation to launch a major in lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender studies. 

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Ooookaye
Ooookaye

As a current student at CSUF working towards a graduate degree, I am ecstatic about this new minor. I attended CSUF for my undergraduate degree as well and I can say with complete confidence that I have never been "propagandized" by any professor, on any level, in any course. I've taken classes in gender, race, and politics - usually, instructors who teach these courses are open-minded and encourage discussion on all sides of an issue. I have NEVER seen an instructor, when faced with a student who opposes their supposed "liberal agenda", disregard or disrespect a student. That is, unless the student phrases their comment/question in a way that is disrespectful to others. This is a MINOR, and anyone not interested in discussion on this topic can choose to stay away from the classes. I only WISH we could have this as a major. Many of the classes are already being taught (by Women's Studies or other departments), they are just giving student an opportunity to apply for, and receive a credential for their work. 

I only wish I would have been able to take courses to fulfill this minor when I was an undergrad student!P.S. Gustavo - I would love to take one of your courses before I finish my M.A. - schedule permitting.

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

Funny how there's never enough money for classes that educate and enlighten people but plenty for the administrators and the athletic department...

Shermantank3
Shermantank3

How embarassing for Cal State Fullerton to create such a program during the worst financial crisis in 80-years. The state is broke but we found money to make a queer studies minor? How about pouring more money into seriously important STEM subjects: Science, Technology, Engineering, mathematics..

Grades are in and you fail.
Grades are in and you fail.

As a Professor at CSUF but not linked to the Queer Studies program, I'm really glad to see a bunch of people who think like 7th graders weighing in on this topic.

1.  The new minor is revenue neutral.  For those of you who are GED-less, that means it doesn't cost any extra money.  The faculty/staff are already employed and teach these classes already.  Only the name of the minor is being changed.

2. There is no express political agenda whatsoever other than that gay individuals are worthy of study and discussion.  If you don't think they are, don't take the classes.  It isn't like they are required.

3. If you think homosexuality is NOT genetic, take those classes and write a paper to that effect.  But don't complain if you get a bad grade because the evidence you cite is scant, weak, and scientifically unconvincing.

4. If you think major Universities only teach English, Math, and Comptuter-programming clearly you haven't been to one.  People who know a whole lot about what they are talking about are called "experts."  People with strong opinions and no facts to back them up are called "blowhards."  Don't hate the Universities because you're too dumb or lazy to succeed in them.

5. The job market sucks right now for everyone.  The students coming out with Business degrees are not at any better competitive advantage than those in the Humanities or Social Sciences.  The Comp. Sci students are competing with better-trained workers in India and China who will work for less than half the pay.  Who do you think is going to get the job?  Don't blame the Universities for the lack of jobs.

6. If you want to see "waste" at a State University look at the salariesy of the Chancellor and Presidents and their allowances for car, housing, etc.  Look at the burecratic requirements foisted upon the employees by the state.  The average faculty member makes considerably less money than the average publically employed high school teacher.  They make WAY less than your average police officer or fireman despite having to go to school for up to 12 years longer.

7.  Those of you who think homosexuality is a perversion can take your beliefs and shove them up your ..... Well you get the point.  Hopefully. If you don't, try education.

Briansays
Briansays

"I know calculus, physics and computer programing"--Chinese Student"I know Harvey Milk"--American Student"That's nice, I'd like extra fries with that"--Chinese Student

this is another example of taxpayers money being wasted on therapuetic classes that provide no marketable skills and leave a student unemployable, typically in debt from loans taken out to pay for this crap and a malcontentent activist

these classes are created by the politically correct to create teaching jobs for themselves in order to live off the public

it is a another but far from isolated case of why we have absolutely zero interest or sympathy in providing more public funds at the state level for higher education as long as you have money to waste

Howard Beale
Howard Beale

Promotion of perversion has no place in any quality institution of true education.  As Mitch astutely states, programs such as these are purely propaganda -- pushing an agenda of moral relativism and ambiguity.  The goal is to poison the hearts, minds and souls of the forthcoming generation(s).

BobD
BobD

Gee, that almost guarantees that students  will get a great job when they graduate, doesn't it?

One of the more stupid moves in our educational system!

mitch young
mitch young

The problem with programs like this is they are propaganda. For example, I'll bet there will be zero real scientific discussion of the studies showing that homosexuality is not innate in the sense that race is -- twin studies show that fewer that in fewer than 50%, in some studies only 10%, of the cases where one twin is 'gay', the other one is as well. That is, of course, much higher than the rate in the population as a whole, but is also far from the 99.9% of black twins who are both black, etc. In other words, homosexuality is, like most things, a matter of nature and nurture. These programs will also ignore the possibility that gay males commit suicide because homosexuality is itself a mental/physical malfunction of sorts -- obviously as mammals we are designed to mate with the opposite sex. That conflict between desire and biology might be behind the mental anguish so evident in many homosexual men.

CompMajor
CompMajor

"The Comp. Sci students are competing with better-trained workers in India and China who will work for less than half the pay." Better trained. I hope i never have you as a professor. What a complete failure. You probably don't even know how to use word. I know I'll be able to get a job right out of college as a comp sci major. 

909Jeff
909Jeff

^ See above as reason why CSU and UC professors are less educators and more recruiters for the liberal agenda. 

But lets take count and if this person is really a professor they will understand.

I see ... In no particular order the following... 

1 )Ad Hominem2) argumentum ad verecundiam3) onus probandi4)Contextamy5)Mind Projection Fallacy6)Proof by verbosity7) Red Herring

DubV
DubV

What tax payer money is being used to study this group of people? What make you think your little state tax even goes to Higher Education?  Education is not meant to create marketable skills the university's responsibility is to educate and empower people. You just mentioned loans? The government subsidizes the interest only while in school but students are still responsible for the full amount.

If you think professors are living off the public by teaching queer studies you're on the wrong planet.

It's laughable that you think the state has money to waster, fees have increased dramatically for the last decade with students paying more, faculty being strained, and services being consolidated- you're so disconnected from what's happening, stop listening to the tea party and go occupy your local cal state if you feel so strongly.

Marial
Marial

Don't bag on homosexuals..Gustavo gets "butt hurt".....

DubV
DubV

They aren't making these classes mandatory; FOX News is propaganda Lol, you've been having too much of it obviosly; Ann Couter should been blackballed from television-she belongs on KFI somewhere

909Jeff
909Jeff

Promotion of perversion has no place in any quality institution of true education...A couple things, I went to Fullerton and within the last 10 years sociology classes still characterized homosexuality as a "Deviant behavior."  which is what I was taught at this very same "Quality institution of true education"  As time goes by and science gets better alternate theories come to the forefront that support the "Genetic" predisposition to Homosexuality. Is it then not the responsibility of the University to explore and research these theories?  To me the Jury is still out.  But, that doesn't give anyone open license to denigrate anyone and call them "Perverse". 

I wouldn't go as far as to call it Propaganda as Mitch stated... Perhaps more or less Pandering to the GLBT community?  Less then a year ago students at Fullerton staged a protest about increasing tuition.  You have to ask, will adding this minor add to the debt and increase tuition or lower it? Furthermore what will this accomplish?  I think the majority of students who enroll in these courses will already either be a part of the GLBT community or people aligned with their interests.  Very few people if any who are opposed to homosexuality or view it as a "Perversion" will take these classes. The potential goal of promoting understanding, diversity, and tolerance will be lost. It is at this time an unneeded expense and a waste of taxpayer money, and could very well be a potential liability to the university should (and more likely will) a violent hate crime occur.

CSU's and UC's should stick to the core curriculum of Math, English, sciences, and arts.  And everyone of them should lose their accreditation on Economics because none of them can balance a check book to save their asses.  

And to quote the great Jerry Springer "Just be good to each other" 

Bill T.
Bill T.

The primary reason for universities is to educate people. The fact that educated people are are more employable is actually a side benefit.  A person with a well rounded education probably much more likely to work in a team whith people different from themselves. I'll take a solid engineer able to work in a team over a technically brilliant prima donna any day of the week.

Ronnie
Ronnie

Are you kidding? You must be....you think gay men commit suicide because simply because they're gay? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they're ostracized and denigrated by the more idiotic and intolerant members of our society, would it? Homosexuality is a part of our culture, it's a part of life. As such, it's important that people learn about and understand it. If for no other reason than eliminating the ignorant tripe that people such as yourself espouse.

Bill T.
Bill T.

No history should be taught? How about engineering?

I see you included science, I see no reason that the subject can't be science. It might not be, but you provide no evidence that it won't, actually isn't, since the subject apparently already is being covered.

Grades are in and you fail.
Grades are in and you fail.

You have to ask, will adding this minor add to the debt and increase tuition or lower it? Answer: Neither, it is revenue neutral..

Furthermore what will this accomplish?  Answer: Education.

I think the majority of students who enroll in these courses will already either be a part of the GLBT community or people aligned with their interests.

Answer: So?

Very few people if any who are opposed to homosexuality or view it as a "Perversion" will take these classes. 

Answer: So?  Who said we are trying to brainwash people?  oh yeah, you did.  But we didn't.

The potential goal of promoting understanding, diversity, and tolerance will be lost.

Answer: Religious nutjobs are frequently incapable of accepting diversity and tolerance.  But its not our job to force them to.

It is at this time an unneeded expense and a waste of taxpayer money, and could very well be a potential liability to the university should (and more likely will) a violent hate crime occur.

Answer:   This is your proverbial "red herring" since it is revenue-neutral and there is no evidence anywhere for a linkage between hate crimes and Queer Studies.

You fail again, your knowledge of Latin notwithstanding.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Do not pay attention to this racialist loser. As an indicator of his demented nature: after the horrific Seal Beach murders recently, all he could obsess about was how "white" Seal Beach is--pathetic.

DubV
DubV

Your even more pathetic than mitch for not having any original thoughts

909Jeff
909Jeff

Hahaha!  

Isn't that why we come here? To pick fights (arguments) with random people? 

Grades are in and you fail.
Grades are in and you fail.

I like how you fail to respond to a single argument posited Jeff. Who is it with the "ad hominems" now?  

I have no need to prove my identity to you or anybody else, given that everybody on here but Gustavo is using an alias.

I also Like how you Randomly "capitalize" and put quotation "marks" around Certain words.  Always the sign of a high-quality education.  What was your degree from CSUF in?  I'm a little afraid to know.

909Jeff
909Jeff

You really are pitiful... I don't believe for one moment with all of these incoherent ramblings that you are a college janitor let alone professor. 

What do you "Allegedly" teach?

More than Likely not English...  

Grades are in and you fail.
Grades are in and you fail.

Actually, I can easily post comments without personal attacks.  I do so all the time.  But the fact I have a job as an educator does not mean that I should be held to a higher standard on a public comment board than anybody else.  I call a spade a spade, and a twat a twat.  (With all due respect to any female genitalia offended by my use of the word "twat.").

As far as your vague and spurious arguments:Ad Hominem - if you actually made any kind of logical argument I would have addressed it.  See below where I respond to a moronic list of questions you ask. ad Verecundiam - wow, you actually are MORE pretentious than most College Professors with that one, which I will freely admit, is difficult to accomplish.  And yes, I do know more about my workplace than you do.  And you probably know more about working at the car wash etc. than I do.  So what?Probandi -  You have made no arguments so there is nothing to prove.Contextamy -  Example?  I didn't actually quote you so WTF are you talking about?Mind Projection - Sorry, but you're going to have to understand sooner or later that people with more information and knowledge about a topic are more believable than people who aren't. It is a simple fact that is hard for many people to accept, I know. Nonetheless, it is true.Verbosity - Things are not true because I "simply says so."  I just happen to be more familiar with what is true about Universities by virtue of having spent my entire life in them than you do.Red Herring  - People mentioned waste.  I mentioned waste and since the Queer Studies minor is revenue neutral I discussed where the real waste in the system is.  No Red Herrings swimming here.Straw man - if you actually have a coherent position you haven't stated it yet therefore I am unable to purposely mischaracterize it even if I tried.  Of course, a lot of the problem might be that I was writing a post to address about 10 other comments but you of course assumed I was addressing you specifically.  Narcissistic much?

909Jeff
909Jeff

I guess we'll just have to take your word for it... 

I would like everyone to note that the very esteemed professor who is called upon on a daily basis to educate our youth, cannot post a comment without adding a personal attack.  Which goes back to the 7 fallacies I listed. 

Ad Hominem - Attack the person not the argument (Plenty of evidence to that) 

Argumentum ad Verecundiam - Appeal to authority ( I'm a professor, an "Expert" therefore I'm right)

Onus Probandi  - Burden of proof  (you're attacking my argument the burden of proof is on you)

Contextamy -  Quoting out of context or "Quote mining" ( Which you have done on multiple accounts)  

Mind Projection Fallacy - The way I see it is the way it really is (example of this is under #s 3,4, and 7)

Proof by verbosity - claims that a statement is true because you simply says so.

Red Herring -  Diverting attention away from an item of significance. (Example under # 6) 

And a new one that went previously undetected.  called a Straw Man - Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.  You have misrepresented my position given every chance. 

mitch young
mitch young

 Gustavo can't stop thinking about my obsessions.

Marial
Marial

What the hell are you talking about now?Seal Beach has nothing do do with this topic...

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