[UPDATED with Fullerton Police Cite People For Honking At Protest:] Kelly Thomas' Story Goes National

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UPDATE, SEPT. 10, 6:27 P.M.: Fullerton police officers have had little to no presence at the Kelly Thomas protests outside their building for the past several weeks. 

Today, however, they stepped up enforcement and issued citations to three motorists who honked as they drove past the protest. 

"It's not just the horn honking, but leaning on the horn," says Sgt. Andrew Goodrich, spokesman for the Fullerton Police Department, about the people who were cited for "illegal use of horn." The department issued three citations, one of which the captain voided, Goodrich says.
Goodrich says the police department has received "numerous complaints from residents and businesses" about the protesters in the past few weeks. The department received a complaint from one motorist who said their kids were frightened by a protester running in the streets.

"The question was being asked of us why were allowing protesters to flagrantly violate the law," Goodrich says, adding that the department has worked to give protesters some "latitude". The police department contacted protest organizers last night, and again this morning, to ask for cooperation, he says. 

Protester Christine Walker says a police officer pulled her aside this morning to tell her they planned to ticket people for "being in the streets too far" and for "honking too long." Walker says she thinks it's a move by the police department to make the protesters look bad. "The way that I feel is they're trying to get them riled up, so we look like a lynch mob, and we're not."

UPDATE, SEPT. 9, 2011, 6:36 P.M.:  In the wake of scathing public criticism after Kelly Thomas' death, Police Chief Michael Sellers took an emergency medical leave of absence in early August. Now, the leave of absence has been extended an extra 30 days. 


Sellers, who is on paid leave, earns $228,576 a year, the Times reports.
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UPDATE, SEPT. 7, 10:53 A.M.: The personal injury attorney representing the family of Kelly Thomas has released to the media graphic new images depicting how Fullerton police officers killed the 37-year-old homeless man.

Garo Mardirossian maintains this evidence proves Thomas died of an assault by cops the attorney referred to as "brutal bullies," adding he hopes the release of the dead man's medical records will prompt prosecutors to take legal action against the arresting officers.

Asked by KTLA/Channel 5 reporter David Begnund what he believes was the cause of death based on the computer imaging, Mardirossian replied, "It is obvious that it was the brutal beating by these bullies, these Fullerton police officers.

The personal-injury lawyer first exposed the images on KTLA News at 10 last night:

 

UPDATE, SEPT. 6, 3:15 P.M.: Fullerton's City Council, which has had a slew of contentious meetings following the death of Kelly Thomas, was slated to meet tonight. The meeting was canceled, though, and some activists are crying foul. The city, however, says cancellations happen every year.

Doug Kauffman, an activist with A.N.S.W.E.R. LA, says he thinks the cancelled meeting sends a message. "They've had hundreds of people at city council meetings for the last month and now that pressure hasn't let up at all, the city council decided to shut down the meeting. It's a clear response from them."

But, the city says the cancellation is the norm. Every year the council members get together and pick which summer council meeting to skip, says city spokeswoman Sylvia Palmer Mudrick, adding that some council members have "family obligations." "It isn't always the September meeting. Sometimes it's in August, but there's always one meeting they'll be dark," Mudrick says.

While Fullertonians will have to wait until the next meeting to tell the city council how they feel, people continue to share their thoughts and insights into the Thomas case on the Friends For Fullerton's Future blog. One woman, identified in the blog post only as Bunny, says she took photos near the transit center on July 5 when police officers beat Kelly Thomas.

In the video interview on FFFF's website, Bunny says an officer intimidated her into destroying the film, which she eventually gave to him. "I thought they were going to give me a citation for taking pictures," she says, adding that she didn't know she had the right to keep her film. The woman says the district attorney's office has already interviewed her for its investigation. 

Although the film was destroyed, she says she remembers some powerful images from that night. "There was so much blood that you could see the reflection of the moon."

UPDATE, SEPTEMBER 1, 1:02 P.M.:Today, the Friends For Fullerton's Future blog posted a public records request response they got from the city of Fullerton's attorney.

A PDF of the letter, which you can read in the main blog post,  titled "The Missing Phone Call," shows the city's response to a request for police reports detailing any vehicle burglaries that happened near the Fullerton train depot on July 5 -- the day Fullerton police beat Kelly Thomas.

The letter refers to two different incidents that fit the time and location specified in the request, but neither seems to refer to the Thomas case. 

But, another interesting story is unfolding in the comments section below the post. Someone identified as "Kelly Supporter" says they know the person who called the cops on Kelly Thomas on July 5.  
Kelly Supporter writes: 
"I know the person who made the call. It exists and they feel horrible for placing it. They never would have imagined this would've happened. They were simply following protocol put in place by superiors. Please stop acting like the call is a big conspiracy it's putting more strain and pain on the caller." 

When asked by other commenters whether their friend had contacted the authorities, Kelly Supporter said the person had made "themselves available" to be interviewed by law enforcement, but hadn't been contacted yet.

UPDATE, AUGUST 30, 3:37 P.M.: For weeks, the people gathered outside the Fullerton Police Department on Saturdays to protest Kelly Thomas' death have asked for the same thing: answers. 

The Orange County District Attorney's Office, which is investigating the officer-involved death of Kelly Thomas, says they're well on the way to giving the people want they want.

District Attorney Tony Rackauckas told the Register yesterday that his office is more than halfway done with its investigation. "We're working on it day and night, frankly," Rackauckas says in a video interview on the Register's site. 

While Rackauckas seems to feel good about where they're at, a couple big chunks of the investigation are still missing: toxicology and cause of death reports. And, Rackauckas told the Register, that his investigators haven't interviewed the involved officers yet.

Aside from the protesters, there's someone else anxiously awaiting the conclusion of the DA's investigation -- Michael Gennaco.

The city of Fullerton hired Gennaco to do an independent investigation into Thomas' death and the police department as a whole. Gennaco has to wait until the DA finishes its criminal investigation until he can start his own investigation into the death, though.

For now, he's doing some broad investigating. Gennaco, who says he's been to Fullerton four times since he got the contract with the city, says he's already investigating "the more global issues," like police training methods and how the department investigates incidents.

UPDATE, AUGUST 26, 5:04 P.M.:
A man who allegedly witnessed the events that led up to the July 5 beating of Kelly Thomas by Fullerton police officers, approached blogger Tony Bushala recently and told him what he saw. 

Today, the Friends For Fullerton's Future blog posted a video of Chris Thompson interviewing the man, who doesn't give his name and whose face isn't shown. 

To hear the man's story of what he allegedly saw that night, visit the blog post and watch the video. Earlier in the month, another alleged witness spoke to FFFF, but when the Weekly approached the man at a recent protest, he said he'd been asked by lawyers not to comment for now.

UPDATE, AUGUST 25, 1:05 P.M.: ​The Orange County District Attorney's Office denied a public records request to release the names of the Fullerton police officers involved in the Kelly Thomas beating, citing officer safety and noting several threats made to the police department. 

The DA listed several incidents in their response to the Orange County Register, which requested the officer's names under the state's public records law. The DA opted not to release the names "after weighing peace officer safety and effectiveness against the public interest served by disclosure," according to the OC Register story. 

Sgt. Andrew Goodrich, spokesman for the Fullerton Police Department, told the Weekly he couldn't comment on the number of threats. The DA's letter to the Register lists 19 threats. 
Goodrich says the department is taking all threats -- including a bomb threat -- seriously, but added that there aren't currently any active investigations. The threats have been directed different places, Goodrich says. "I think there's been a variety of them at different voicemail boxes. I think some were at home numbers of officers, because other places had released information." The Friends For Fullerton's Future blog released the names of the officers who allegedly beat Kelly Thomas in a post earlier this month. 

Laura Eimiller, a spokeswoman for the FBI, which is also investigating the case, says the agency "certainly wouldn't be in a position to release the names." "That's more of a local policy thing," Eimiller says, adding that the agency's focus is on allegations of civil rights infringements. 

Christine Walker, a Fullerton resident who has attended several protests, said she started physically shake when she heard that the DA decided not to release the names. "They've been thinking from day one they could sweep it under the rug. It's like they think they can ignore justice. Kelly's army isn't going to stand for that."

UPDATED AUGUST 17, 5:20 P.M.: As word that one of the officers who allegedly beat Kelly Thomas -- Officer Kenton Hampton -- also allegedly beat another man in the past, the Fullerton Police Department admits they arrested the wrong guy in the latter incident.

The police arrested Veth Mam, who was using a cellphone to film as his friend scuffled with the officers, according to an LATimes story about the incident. Hampton allegedly, then, beat Mam. 


Acting Police Chief Kevin Hamilton asked for an internal affairs investigation after he saw the cellphone video shot by Mam, the LATimes reports. Here's what Sgt. Andrew Goodrich of Fullerton PD told the LATimes:
"Based upon reviews of the video, it is Hamilton's preliminary determination that we arrested the wrong guy that night. It was very chaotic scene that night." 

Attorney Garo Mardirossian is representing both Mam and the Thomas family.
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UPDATED, AUGUST 16, 5:38 P.M.: When Garo Mardirossian, the personal injury attorney representing Kelly Thomas' family, went on CNN today, he made a big announcement.

Mardirossian is also representing Mr. MannVeth Mam, who like Kelly Thomas, was allegedly beaten by Officer Kenton Hampton.

Mardirossian contends, referring to a Youtube video of the incident: "We see the officer Kenton Hampton grab Mr. [Mam], throw him on the ground, knee his back. And Mr. [Mam] offered no resistance. He was not committing a crime. He was doing nothing wrong. He was just videotaping a police officer's interaction with one of his friends."

Unlike in the Kelly Thomas case, Mardirossian says, the officers weren't allowed to watch videotape of the incident before writing their reports. "In this case they didn't see the videotape and they wrote reports that are full of lies, that are false reports. And there will be a lawsuit filed on behalf of the man tomorrow in federal court." 


At the end of Mardirossian's interview, he made a plea: 
 "And the good officers -- I think not all six of these officers are equally culpable. There's got to be one or two of them that were not involved in the beating. Please, I beg of you, come forward, stop and break the code of silence. Come forward and tell us what happened. Tell us truth."
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UPDATED, AUGUST 15, 12:21 A.M.: Notorious online hackers, Anonymous, threatened to wage cyber war against the Fullerton Police Department this weekend. 

As reported by the LA Weekly, our sister publication, the group is angry about Kelly Thomas' death and made several demands of the department:

1) We demand the prosecution of Officers Jay Cicinelli, Kenton Hampton, Manny Ramos, Joe Wolfe, James Blatney, and anyone else involved in the gruesome beating, torture, and murder of Kelly Thomas. 
2) We demand the immediate resignation of the Chief of Police in Fullerton, California. 
3) We demand that the City of Fullerton immediately pay a lump sum settlement of no less than 5 million dollars to the legal survivors of Kelly Thomas.

The LA Times reports that the police department knew about the planned attacks and worked to fortify its website.

So far, the group doesn't seem to have infiltrated the department's website, but Anonymous did successfully hack the Bay Area Rapid Transit's website Sunday, as detailed in the LA Times story.

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Acting Police Chief Kevin Hamilton

UPDATED, AUGUST 12, 2:51 P.M.:  Acting Police Chief Kevin Hamilton, who took over the helm of the Fullerton Police Department a couple days ago after Chief Michael Sellers' medical leave, opened up to the OC Register about a surveillance video he saw.

"To get into a characterization of the video too much would certainly be disclosing evidence. What I can tell you is that there was certainly a significant amount of struggle between Mr. Thomas and the officers," Hamilton told the Register.

To hear more from Hamilton, including his brief comment on Sellers' medical condition, check out the video of the interview on the Register's website. 


A small group of protesters who gathered outside the Fullerton Police Department Wednesday evening expressed relief that Sellers was no longer in charge, but they insisted that their protesting was far from over. 

"They pissed off the wrong city, because this is the best city in the whole, wide world, but we're not giving up. We want justice, we need justice, for Kelly," says protester Christine Walker.

Another protester, who didn't want to give her name, says she knows Hamilton personally and thinks he'll do well in the leadership role. "Kevin Hamilton is one of the best people the department has. He's a policeman, but if there's a shady cop, he'd turn them in," says the woman, who says she met Hamilton through a citizen's police academy several years ago.

While the district attorney's office and the F.B.I. continue their investigations into the incident, City Manager Joe Felz wants the city to take things one step further. Felz asked the Fullerton city council to hold an emergency meeting this morning to decide whether they'd hire LA-based Michael Gennaco to lead an independent review into Kelly Thomas' death and the Fullerton Police Department practices, in general. 

The council did convene this morning and discussed the issue behind closed doors, says Syliva Palmer Mudrick, a spokeswoman for the city. "They decided to wait and vote on it at the regularly scheduled city council meeting. In the meantime, they asked Mr. Gennaco to prepare a report with the budget and things." 

Meanwhile, Ron Thomas told the Weekly that he decided it was time to file a lawsuit and had picked an attorney: Garo Mardirossian. 

Mardirossian held a press conference in Los Angeles earlier today.

"We don't believe all six of these officers are equally culpable. We believe at least three were pretty bad. We're hoping that one or two of these officers will come forward and break the code of silence. Tell us what happened. Why did they continue to beat Kelly Thomas after he was completely motionless?" 

UPDATED, AUGUST 10, 4:58 P.M.: Fullerton Police Chief Michael Sellers has been placed on medical leave, according to a statement just released by City Manager Joe Felz

Captain Kevin Hamilton, commander of the detective division, has been named acting chief by Felz. 

Sellers notified the city manager today that his doctor had placed him on medical leave, according to the statement. Click here to read the press release.

City Concilman Pat McKinley, who was Fullerton's police chief before Sellers, tells the Orange County Register that Sellers will not return.

That's fine with scores of residents who have been calling on the chief to step down in the wake of the Kelly Thomas beating.

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UPDATED, AUGUST 9, 12:10 P.M.: Soon there could be another pair of investigative eyes on the Kelly Thomas case. 

Fullerton City Manager Joe Felz issued a statement yesterday asking the city council to hire Michael Gennaco, an LA-based independent consultant, to do a review of the police department.

Gennaco, who heads the Los Angeles County Office of Independent Review, a watchdog agency created in 2001, has a history of prosecuting police misconduct cases. In the early '90s, he prosecuted a case against two LAPD officers who used excessive force against an undocumented youth. Both officers were convicted, Gennaco tells the Weekly

Gennaco says he began discussions with the city of Fullerton last week. If the city council follows Felz's recommendation to hire him, Gennaco says the Thomas case will serve as the starting point of his review. 

"The Kelly Thomas case will educate us as to where the issues are and then we'll broaden our review based on where our issues take us," Gennaco says, adding that he'd look into the police department's training practices and hiring standards.  


UPDATED, AUGUST 9, 9:24 A.M.: A man who allegedly witnessed Kelly Thomas' beating says he saw a police officer confiscate the cell phone of a woman filming the incident. 

The witness, identified only as a Cal State Fullerton grad named Edwardrecalls what he saw that night in a video housed on Friends For Fullerton's Future blog.

Edward, who says he has already been interviewed by the district attorney's office about what he saw that night, allegedly heard a police officer say, "You're interfering with my investigation. I would appreciate if you don't take pictures." 

The officer eventually confiscated the woman's cell phone and took her behind the cop car, Edward says, adding that he's not sure if the officer ever gave the cell phone back to the woman, whom he describes as a short, heavy-set woman in her 40s.  

UPDATED, AUGUST 5, 6:49 P.M.: Following in Fullerton City Councilwoman Sharon Quirk-Silva's footsteps, Councilman Bruce Whitaker told a TV news station that he, too, is calling on Police Chief Michael Sellers to resign. And, if he doesn't, Whitaker says he might be forced out. 

UPDATED, AUGUST 5, 4:52 P.M.: Businessman Tony Bushala, who has blogged feverishly about Kelly Thomas' killing, is poised to follow through with a promise he made. 

At Fullerton's city council meeting Tuesday, Bushala got up during the public comment time to thank Councilwoman Sharon Quirk-Silva and Councilman Bruce Whitaker "for being courageous," saying they both "stood up and did the right thing," in the wake of Thomas' death at the hands of Fullerton police officers. 

Then, Bushala directed his comment to Mayor Richard Jones, Mayor Pro Tem Don Bankhead and councilman Pat McKinley, calling them, "You other three up here who have said nothing and sat on your hands."
He told them that within 72 hours he planned to serve them recall papers, adding that he had accrued a hefty budget to make it happen. 

A post on Friends For Fullerton's Future blog went up today saying the "Notice of Intent to Circulate Recall Petition" had been drafted and it asked registered voters who live in Fullerton to show up at Bushala's office before 3 p.m. today to sign the petition. 

Friday afternoon, Bushala says he has all of the signatures he needs and is ready to deliver the papers to the three men. "I'm going to their houses in a bit," Bushala says.

UPDATED, AUGUST 5, 10:17 A.M.: Friends For Fullerton's Future blog has posted the names of the officers they think were at Kelly Thomas's beating. Their list includes Jay Cicinelli, the retired, one-eyed LAPD officer, who eventually joined the Fullerton Police Department. For a list of the other names, check out their blog post. 

ORIGINAL POST, AUGUST 4, 3:19 P.M.: ​Aside from scores of citizens who spoke during the public comment period at the Fullerton City Council meeting Tuesday, at least one local public official is also calling for Police Chief Mike Sellers' resignation. This collective dissatisfaction is rooted in how the department has handled things in the wake of Kelly Thomas' death at the hands of six Fullerton police officers.

Fullerton City Councilwoman Sharon Quirk-Silva has made several TV news appearances asking Sellers to step down.

Several other bits of information have surfaced, as the story of this mentally ill transient, who was beaten to death by police officers, starts to go national.

Last night, Susan Kang Schroeder, chief of staff at the Orange County District Attorney's Office, went on CNN to talk about the story. The CNN anchor started the report by saying a Fullerton Police spokesman agreed to be on the show, but backed out at the last minute and, instead, sent over a two-line statement from Police Chief Sellers: "This was tragic for our community. We are in the midst of an investigation." 

After a couple of video clips, the CNN coverage cuts to Schroeder, who says the DA's office has assigned more than two dozen people to investigate the case. When asked about a video detailing the incident, which hasn't been released, Schroeder paused. "Your heart is sad watching what happens in the case," she said. "We have to put our emotions aside in the Orange County Attorney's Office and make sure we do a thorough and fair and a complete investigation." 


He alleges the following:
  • That the officers got to see a video of the incident while they were writing their reports of it.
  • That the officer who did the most damage to Thomas is a onetime LAPD officer, who was shot in the eye years back. The informant says LAPD wouldn't let the officer keep working, and he retired, but was eventually hired by the Fullerton Police Department. (Dennis Romero at our sister paper, LA Weekly, ID'd the one-eyed officer as Jay Cicinelli.)  
  • That after the beating, the aforementioned officer allegedly bragged in the locker room about "beating the crap" out of Thomas.
  • That the police reports were rewritten several times, as the higher-ups wanted to "clean up some things they didn't like." 
  • That the Fullerton Police Department has an ongoing problem with cover-ups and excessive "leeway." 
To see a video of witnesses talking about what they saw a few minutes after the beating, and for other updates, check the Friends For Fullerton's Future blog. 


A Facebook event for a protest in front of the Fullerton Police Department this Saturday -- this will be the fourth protest--already boasts more than 600 people who plan to attend.

FBI spokeswoman Lourdes Arocho says the agency opened an investigation last week to determine whether Thomas's civil rights were violated. After they finish the investigation, Arocho says, they'll submit their findings to the Department of Justice, which will then decide if it wants to prosecute.

The Weekly's previous coverage of Thomas' death:


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tsimm97
tsimm97

This type of situation just shows, life is not black and white.  Just because the cops in question are jerks (or worse) doesn't mean that the protesters are shining examples of the best in humanity.  When the protesters do stupid and/or unlawful acts they deserve and should be sited.

Rcriceinc
Rcriceinc

Patrick, you have no sense of life I see. One dead unarmed homeless man against 6 Fullerton cops = murder. This has nothing to do with the justice system. I know this was wrong and so do many other ordinary human beings in the area. I do not have to analyze too many facts, the death of Kelly Thomas in the custody of the FPD is a fact and there is not much after that to analyze. One picture of Kelly's face is worth much more than a thousand words from you or me or anybody else for that matter. I support the Thomas family at this time and in the future, Kelly was not my son but he was somebody's son and a human being who was robbed of his life. This could ha[[en just as easily to you or me if justice cannot be obtained The FPD has a long list of alledged offenses against individuals in their custody and now the city must be held responsible for its support of the FPD gestapo tactics and offenses against humankind. Not because they are the only source of dirt in the world but because this is my neighborhood and when I become aware, as a human being, of evil committed in my neighborhood, I must stand up against that source of evil. All officers at the scene should be punished and murder under color of authority should be considered a death penalty offense. All six officers should be in jail with death penalty charges filed against them. These officers are an insult to all good, honest police officers in the world. We must clean a police office that follows the precepts of Stalin, "No man, no problem.". The Fullerton goverment sponsored "final solution" of the homeless, criminal and mentally deficient must be exposed and disinfected, this may involve the need to amputate elements of the Fullerton government and police infrastructure. President Obama, why are you not speaking out on this matter?

JOHN
JOHN

I was attacked by Fullerton police thugs in 2006 while being homeless and schizophrenic. I have been off the streets for about 4 years now in Salt Lake City, Utah. I was about 3 blocks down the street from where Kelly Thomas was murdered by cops in the parking lot outside Labor Ready. I was wearing stereo headphones & Fullerton police thugs came up behind me & attacked.  I never saw or heard it coming. Next thing I know they whisk me incognito to a local hospital & thru a private entrance way where I received about a dozen stiches in my head from a doctor. No record or info was taken from me about even being taken to a hospital it was all done in secret. Before we left the hospital the cops threatened me some more & booked me into jail on some homeless crimes and threw a false resisting arrest charge on me to cover their asses just in case I might make a complaint about them. In Garden Grove I was robbed by a police officer and in Santa Ana I had a cop who everytime he saw me would threaten to kill me. By the grace of God what happened to Kelly Thomas could have happened to me but didn't. I found out there were alot of dirty cops in Orange County & Fullerton cops had one of the reputations of the worst. If anyone involved in this Kelly Thomas case would like to contact me I can be reached at hamsherjohn@yahoo.com. I am willing to do anything to help put these dirty cops away and get justice for Kelly Thomas.

Fred
Fred

If Kelly Thomas hadn't been killed, you all would cross the street to get away from this guy.  The ONLY reason you even know his name is because the cop h8ers found a new poster boy. 

Ronald
Ronald

Sorry Fullerton. We didn;t start the fire !

Goldencody
Goldencody

What in the holy hell is the OCDA doing about reaching a decision on their investigation into the Fullerton Police Officers? I am retired law enforcement and trust me when I say they are Dragging their feet. They know by now and in fact have known for some time what they are going to do with prosecuting the Fullerton Cops. 

The OCDA is corrupt as all hell and its times like these their true colors shine clearly for all to see

Anon
Anon

So lemme get this straight. Cops beat a man to death and are on paid leave. Someone honks their car horn and gets a ticket. WTF?

Soho_d J
Soho_d J

This is just an attempt to upset the protesters, nothing more and it won't make any difference in the long run. 

Fullertonista
Fullertonista

Apparently Mr. Goodwrench is not familiar with a little thing called THE FIRST AMENDMENT.   The thing that means we can lay on our horns when we see Fullerton's finest (or as they're more recently known as, "Fullerton's death squad").  Or yell "we want justice assholes!" at them.  Or flip them off as we drive by.  Yes we can, America.  This has all been upheld in numerous civil court cases.  We own the police.  They don't own us.  The First Amendment gives us the right to tell them to fuck off. 

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPP!!!!!!

Robespierre
Robespierre

"Goodrich says the police department has received "numerous complaints from residents and businesses" about the protesters in the past few weeks."

Sounds like the FPD is setting the protestors up for more blood in the streets.  This is the same way they set Kelly up for his bashing.

mitch young
mitch young

In the old days, a WASP in power who failed so egregiously would retire to his den with a tumbler of scotch and a revolver. 

Today is a whole different story, with non-WASPs literally destroying banks and economies and walking away with very golden parachutes. Nevertheless, you'd think in the OC there would be enough residual decency that this guy would resign, or absent some self-respect-- to be shown the door in no uncertain terms.

south central
south central

Thank god this dude is white if he wasn't none of this community action would have happened...he would have deserved it....Imagine what really happens to colored folks when cops don't give a damn we could all tell you white liberals a few stories...

Dweezle.Di
Dweezle.Di

This is just one case. Unfortunate that more witnesses do not see other acts. People need to wake up. The state, (all government not just Calif) has been building a fear mentality and using brown shirt type police to attack anyone that dares to violate their authority no matter if right or wrong.

I also believe it was inappropriate for the attorney to release the medical information on TV there is no way the accused officers will receive a fair trial IF they are ever charged. But perhaps they should be given the same type trial they gave Kelly Thomas.

Imagine what would happen if people stopped and asked questions every time they saw 3, 4 or more Police vehicles at the scene of a traffic stop where just one or two persons are in a vehicle, (or sitting cuffed on the curb).  As long as people watch TV crime shows and movies and believe what they see there is what really happens on the streets no one will dare to question authority. And what takes so long for the Coroner, (a Sheriff employee) to complete an investigation? Blood test results? Bull! I believe they were directed to put the test on the back burner till the public forgets the event. Drug tests have results within 24 hours often faster...

WmBlackstone
WmBlackstone

The Chief makes over $19,000 a month?  For doing what exactly?  Taking meetings?

lapbanddan
lapbanddan

LOAD THE GUN CHIEF!!

Follow your cowardly officers and BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT!!

End the pain Chief.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Hey John, don't think the statute of limitations has run out yet on your assault case.  Contact the ambulance chaser, I mean attorney representing the Thomas Family and get yourself included in the law suit.  You too could be driving a new Mercedes courtesy of the tax payers of Fullerton.   

Tom Gomez
Tom Gomez

Goldencod - i totally agree! Corruption runs rampant in OC. Let all the white folks steal from the poor while the minoroties in all OC cities get poorer. But thats ok. What happened in Libya, Syria and Eygpt can also happen here. The difference is that everybody had guns and not afraid to dye.

So much corruption every where and Corp. get richer. Time to raise up people. How much more of this shit do we need to take? The middle east did it why cant we .

AlsoAnon
AlsoAnon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Check out this video. The officer featured is Det.Barry Coffman. President of the Fullerton Police Officers' Association. OCWeekly, why don't you post this video as well. The public should see the mentality of these fine officers patrolling the streets of Fullerton.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Fullertonista  you are an ass hole and don't own anything but a big mouth.  Why don't you take a drive by the Police Department and lay on your horn.  While the Officer is writing you a ticket, you can lecture to him how the Frist Amernment works and how you own him.  That's right, no balls and it is easier to take cheap shots on the Internet where no one knows who you are.  Get a life dirt bag and leave the Cop work to adults. 

PatrickR
PatrickR

"To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity"

                                        Maximilen  Robespierre (1794)

I see that you are modeling the philosophy of your namesake, with the "more blood in the streets" rheotric.  This isn't France and the time is the 21st Century, so try and get a grip on things.  The article made it clear that the protesters were talked to by the Police and warned about getting into the streets and conflicting with traffic.  That doesn't sound like setting anyone up to me.  Additionally, what do you suggest telling regular citizens and businesses who make the complaints?  Sorry Robespierre, the Police serve all the folks in Fullerton, not just the mob.   Hope you fare better than your namesake who lost his head to the guillotine. 

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

A killing of an innocent man, and all you can obsess over is the decline of your race (I betcha you ain't even WASP). Sucks to be you and your ilk in the next decade haha

Fullertonista
Fullertonista

Come out and join us at the streets protest.  You will not see that many white liberals, though some.  You will see black, brown, and asian people, white conservatives/libertarians, families with kids.  I'm not saying you don't have a point.  But this community would have been outraged no matter Kelly Thomas's skin color, and hopefully you are too.  

PatrickR
PatrickR

Dweezle, guess I must have missed those brown shirt storm troopers taking over Orange County.  Could you please send a few down to Irvine and have them clean out City Hall from the Agranistas and their corrupt political machine?  Muchas gracias. 

A point of information, it normally takes at least three to five days in a private lab to get the alcohol levels back on a DUI blood screen.  This is why the Cops like to use a breath test whenever possible.  D.A. will not file the case without the results.  To do a full tox screen, I would guess a couple of weeks might be reasonable.  Add to that the other many and varied forensic tests from autopsy materials and the time period is extended.  With the D.A. in joint control of the Crime Lab, I would guess that the Fullerton Case has gone to the head of the line for processing.  Since they get it all done on CSI within an hour, just thought I'd point out the timelines of real life. 

FPOASUCKS
FPOASUCKS

Dweeezle.Di,

The Coroner IS Sheriff Hutchins. She has a staff of Medical Examiers that perform the Autopsies and tox tests. Think Quincy and Sams boss Aston.

There is a HUGE conflict of interest anytime an officer is implicated in a crime.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Dan, you need to raise that lapband a litttle higher to the throat area and stem the flow of bullshit coming out of your mouth.   

tsimm97
tsimm97

What is your problem?

Patricksconcience
Patricksconcience

I really think you should kill yourself...or people would want to kill you soon in your life time.

bummer for you

tsimm97
tsimm97

I think using the word rampant is a bit extreme.  Behavior like what the Fullerton cops have done can be found in probably any/every police department to one degree or another.  But that does not mean it is rampant.

Amydyst
Amydyst

PatrickR is probably the loneliest person on earth...someone needs to give him a bullet to load in that chamber..

i feel sorry for youcause you own a pretty damn big mouth yourself

Patricksconcience
Patricksconcience

Come on Pat, Load the gun, PUT THE BULLET IN THE CHAMBER STUD.

You're kids are going to asking "where's Daddy?" wouldn't it be better for your widow to explain "Daddie's rotting in Hell, for killing a man, a man who was the weakest among us, He did a really brave thing though and killed himself, so you would not have to live with the embarassment"

Trust me, you'll be at peace bro, It's better than Corcoran. You, Cicinelli, Ramos, Blatney (is that you Jim???) and Sellars, should take the easy way out. GO AHEAD bro, it's really the only choice.................

kickahippie
kickahippie

PatrickR = Troll quite obvious. Honk your horns till heart desires! Your car, your streets, your horn. Do what you like. Dont believe the hype. We now have the keystone cops firmly in place. They are now the laughing stock of the country. Way to make new friends FPD, you now have made more people come out to support the protest of the violation of an american citizen. We see right through your divide and conquer scheme. we know, we know, turn a few against a few and divert attention elsewhere, oldest trick in the book.Fight the tickets, demand a trial, make the cops show up and see how happy the judges are after their courtrooms get clogged with these chickenshit tactics. Come by on Saturdays, honk for your support, the bullying stops in Fullerton, period!       

Fullertonista
Fullertonista

I was doing that all day Pattycakes.  As well as the rest of the stuff on my list.  Yeah, when they arrest me I will happily tell them about the pending countersuit I intend to file and win against their violation of my First Amendment rights.  Any patriot would do the same thing.  COPTROLL.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Perhaps you can enlighten us a bit.  Where were you and the rest of the mob when Kelly Thomas was living on the street, no food to eat and really could have used your help.  I will tell you where all you people were.  You were driving past him on the street saying to yourself, "what is that vagrant doing in my town."  You were walking by him on the sidewalk and either spitting on him for looking the way he did or looking the other way."  So let''s not kid anyone about your "Come to Jesus" attitude about Kelly Thomas.  There were a lot of failures by the Social Welfare System in not responding to the needs of Kelly Thomas.  Now the mob knows about the problem and there are other people like Kelly Thomas in cities all over Orange County, whatcha gonna do about it?  Anybody want to bet that it will be "Absolutely Nothing."  

lapbanddan
lapbanddan

Paddy, You and your FPOA Brethren oughtta turn your back on these cowards.

Hopefully they don't kill thier wives and kids in the process, but the only real answer is for Cincinelli, Ramos, Hampton, Blateny and company to swallow some DRAIN-O. A bullet to the skull would be faster and more prophetic.

Why are you holding out hope that these chicken shits will prevail? They are like most Fullerton police, overpaid cowards.

JUST DO IT!!!

JOHN
JOHN

No, the Fullerton cops bust your head open then whisk you to the hospital incognito thru a side door. A doctor comes in & sews your head up with stiches. Their is no official record that you have ever even been to the hospital. If you say anything the Fullerton cops threaten to beat you some more. To cover their asses they falsely charge you with resisting arrest.

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JOHN
JOHN

We can do it because their are more of us than the 1% rich corrupt system. Occupy Salt Lake City started up here at Pioneer Park on Oct 8th. The Occupy Movement starting in NYC a month ago is springing up all over America & around the world! Faith without works is dead. Let's breathe spiritual life into the dead body of the corrupted system & resurrect a beautiful new system of justice and equality!!!

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Likballpat
Likballpat

yeah just kill yourselfI think that't the only way out for you and your pathetic life....

Jo
Jo

Officer Jay Cicinelli was thereOfficer Kenton Hampton was thereOfficer Manny Ramos was thereOfficer Joe Wolfe was thereOfficer James Blatney was there

PatrickR
PatrickR

Thanks ass hole, but my own conscience works just fine and maybe you should worry about your own.  I sleep good at night.  Just wondering how you know so much about Corcoran, unless you are a graduate of that fine institution of higher learning?  While having referred a few people there over the years I never visited any of them.  The only question I have for you is, "Are you still eating standing up?"  Perhaps,those old memories from Corcoran might motivate you to be the one to drop the hammer?  

Fullertonista
Fullertonista

Yeah, you're right.  Most of us didn't lift a finger to help a homeless guy.  Its really too bad it took him being savagely beaten to death by a bunch of sadistic thug cops to make us pay attention to what was going on in our backyards.  Think that means we should turn away now?  I don't think so.

Fred
Fred

STFU you are not a journalist, you are a miserable fraud

PatrickR
PatrickR

gustavo, I could respond to your "blowjob" comment but won't.  I am honoring the promise  made (that was you wasn't it) many years ago after hooking you up at Kona Lanes in Costa Mesa that I would keep your secret.  "Stay Thirsty amigo and have a Dos XXX."

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Hey, I'm not the one offering digital blowjobs to a bunch of thugs that beat a man to death.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Gustavo, let me rephrase your reply to better fit your profile:

ASS HOLE ALERT,  ASS HOLE ALERT,  PSEUDO JOURNALIST ALERT." 

Yep, that fits you nicely.  Sorry I have to run, but I have more troll work to do. 

Irischaos
Irischaos

Get a life Patrick!

FUUUCKKKKKKKKKK!

your annoying!

Caseykenn
Caseykenn

If they deserve the same rights as any normal citizen then why aren't they in jail like any other citizen considering what has happe, anyone else would be in jail on bail ,or wait for court!

Luree
Luree

NO, they have above the law rights! If this involved any of us, our ass' would be arrested so damn quick. But not the 6 pussy piggies!! They get to have a paid leave bcuz they were bad!

PatrickR
PatrickR

lapband, you wouldn't make a pimple on the ass of any of those cowardly Fullerton Police Officers. Got to laugh at small minded people like yourself who rarely have to make a decision about anything, much less a life or death situation.  Yet, here you are Johnnie on the spot, with all the other Johnnies running your mouths with bull shit that you know nothing about.

If you have read any of my other comments, I do not defend the six Officers involved, because I don't know what happened there any more than you do.  What I defend is the System, which works if you give it time.  If found guilty, I will join with all of you in saying the Officers deserve to be punished as prescribed by the law.  Until then, they have the same rights as you do and are innocent until proven otherwise.  Not sure why this concept is so difficult for your people to understand, other than being anti-government and anti-police ass holes.    

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