When is the Orange County Register Going to Start Labeling the California Coalition for Immigration Reform as a Hate Group?

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Every time the Orange County Register does a story about the Reconquista and refers to local Know Nothings as "anti-illegal immigration activists", I laugh. Loudly. Nelson Muntz style. As we've documented in this paper since forever, it's never been about the legal part in our immigration wars--whether it was Jamaican laborers in the 1940s, Vietnamese refugees in the 1970s through the 1990s, or Mexicans since forever, it's always been immigrants and their weird culture that has antagonized pendejos, period. But, whatever: the Reg has to maintain the illusion of objectivity, especially for its wacky readers who'll still paint them as Aztlanistas--HA!

Usually, the "anti-illegal immigration activist" quoted is Barbara Coe, the batshit loca head of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform. Here's a simple question for Grand Street: why are you so afraid of labeling CCIR and Coe as the hate group they are?

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has exposed hate groups for decades, has listed Coe's coven in their hate-group map for more than 10 years, if not longer. Yet in all those years, the Register has mentioned that CCIR is a hate group exactly once--in a 2002 article that allowed Coe to deny that they are and portray herself as a victim.

I've written in the past about how the Register is foolish for even treating Coe as a legitimate opinion on the subject of immigration, so the least the Reg can do is at least tell readers the rest of the normal world considers CCIR as a hate group--but they won't. The closest they've ever come to acknowledge Coe's hate is in a July article about the rise of conspiracy-obsessed folks in the local Republican Party, in which veteran political reporter Martin Wisckol wrote that Coe "believes that Obama was foreign-born, that there is a Marxist takeover afoot, that radical Islam is infiltrating the government, that radical Muslims and Latinos want to kill Americans, and that the government is putting poison in jet-fuel systems as part of a "chemtrails" effort to poison the country from the skies above"--all insanities the Weekly exposed.

And yet this past week, Wisckol quoted Coe for a story about how Know Nothings like her think Texas governor Rick Perry isn't Know Nothing enough, referring to her as a mere "anti-illegal immigration activist." What about the truth, Marty? Scared she'll sic her crones on you? Just talk to them about Benny Goodman, and they'll be fine...

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Steeviebrat
Steeviebrat

Sorry  if you don't know what a run-on sentence is Gustavo.  I do applaud your cavalier attitude about your ignorance.  Be proud of what you are I always say!   Are you really a journalist?  Is this what journalism passes for these days?  Maybe someday when you write something that doesn't hurt my eyes, your point will be clear.  The majority of the other comments here are from people who seem to know your agenda.   I am still stunned that you think this is good work.  Really?  Really?  Is this a joke? 

Also, we don't need immigration reform.  America only needs to enforce the laws that are already in place.  It's illegal to work and live here if you are not a citizen.  Why is that so hard to understand?  Let's say I call the cops because my house is being robbed.  The cops show up and say, "Sorry, but we don't feel like enforcing the laws regarding stealing.  Have a nice night."   All laws are in place for a reason.  It is not right to enforce or ignore laws because one has an agenda.  If a person enforces the law, that does not make him a bigot.  To those who think our laws are bigoted, why do you want to be here anyway?  

Ihateusc
Ihateusc

now, now, lay off my buddy gus... he has provided me with countless minutes of mirth as he spouts out his nonsensical thoughts...gustavo is actually an intellectual giant in the mexican community, sort of like a mexican einstein.... aint that sad? lol

Ihateuscsdad
Ihateuscsdad

son shut the fawk up already. Do you want me to tell everyone what happened last time you tried to hide behind a computer and talk shit? I dont care if you do i tell them anyways.. This lil pillow biter had guys come to the house and pound him silly. His mom had to take two on in the rrom just to get them to leave. i took down one and that i'm not proud of.

liberals are hypocrites
liberals are hypocrites

hmm, lets see, by your juvenile postings, im guessing you are mexican and spouting homoerotic postings about male rape and going the "your mom" route... gustavo is this you? lol

Ihateuscsdad
Ihateuscsdad

you lil maricone! this peter puffer was at my house all otght with my cheek spreading son all mad that i put the family buisness out there. Dont worry everyone my son put his sak on his chin already. Yup this lil joto can go balls deep

Sean
Sean

Out of curiosity.... what would you call your anti-white rhetoric? Love group? You are a loser.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Anti-White? How?

Sean
Sean

Your responses to the objections to your "opinion" are rather clear.

Sean
Sean

In retrospect, it helps to explain why you are stuck blogging on the OC Metro and not actually conducting any journalistic work.

Sean
Sean

Gustavo... figures. Did they teach you to write in the schools we paid for you to attend?

The Minuteman Project
The Minuteman Project

Dear Readers,

Gustavo Arellano is right on point with his proclamation of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR) as a hate group.

I would venture even further criticism of that so-called activist organization in that I think some of its members are also criminal-minded fanatical zealots who consider themselves exempt from the inveterate "rule of law" principles of a civilized society.  I still vividly remember how some of CCIR's participants rampaged my Minuteman Project organization a few years ago, stealing its corporate bank accounts, defrauding the US Postal Service, conducting interstate document fraud, burglarizing my corporate office, etc.         Having been the direct target of their hatred, and the unfortunate victim of some of the criminal actions of some of its participants, I would be hard pressed to ever consider CCIR anything other than a hate group.  However, CCIR does not hate just illegal immigrants.  It hates anyone who will not goose-step to its supremacist and purist agenda, including white people like me.   They even used the Orange County Register's dirty journalist, Frank Mickadeit, to falsely write in his commentaries that I had embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars and other fictitious claims that I was some kind of criminal.  All of that dirty journalist's garbage was exposed for its falsities and propaganda in Superior Court after I brought charges against the persons responsible for it.  Mickadeit was spared prosecution for his part in the deliberate propaganda campaign...but only by benevolence on my part.  He should consider himself very lucky. Mr. Arellano and I are probably dichotomous in our views on the illegal immigration dilemma facing the United States.  But we do have other things in common.  We both dislike criminals, sociopaths, irrational extremists in political activism, and the biased segments of America's media. Jim Gilchrist, President, The Minuteman Project

Barragan
Barragan

Mr. Jim Gilchrist,

We agree that we have an issue with illegal immigration.  And we might differ on the HOW TO Solve.

However, I respect the fact that you take an open stand against any extremist or hate oriented group! Francisco J. BarraganCommander of a veterans organization in OC & Business Leader

BajaRat
BajaRat

What is a "hate-oriented group"???

BajaRat
BajaRat

Gilchrist is just pissed because he lost a lawsuit against CCIR and because he's an irrelevant bag of mierda. Boo-effin'-hoo (heh heh).

Sean
Sean

Just a minute... where there is smoke, there is fire.

Bob Woodward
Bob Woodward

Mr. Arellano, You can't write and you're an embarrassment to journalism.  Then to follow up your article and get in cat fights with readers who leave comments is ridiculous.  You didn't really write an article, it's as if you built a red fire hydrant, peed on it and then dared others to pee on it followed by you peeing on their pee.  How ghetto and uneducated of you.  Apparently the statistics of a high drop out rate for Latinos is true.

Moggtsur
Moggtsur

You are right and you are wrong. He actually can write and is on the one hand an entertaining lad. The problem with Gus is that he is a racist and a radical. He misinforms with his twisted statement of history, condems out of context to further his own fascist pursuit of the "reconquista" all the while benighted to reality by his utter rejection of proportion and reason. Alas his entertainment value is trumped by his vile participation in the ongoing social violence that marks race relations in this country and the world.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

How am I racist?

Californio
Californio

Well, I must admit that I am not expert on some of the issues thrown out here by both sides and so I did a little research into the Aztlan/MeCHA/La Raza question. Gus seems to poo-poo the idea that they are racist, anti-American, or possibly even exist. Others claim the exact opposite. My first exposure to Aztlan, et al was back in '69 when I worked in Echo Park, Atwater, and other Los Angeles communities with large Latino populations. There was an obvious body of support for this Aztlan notion and palpable anti-American sentiment backing the "inevitable" reconquista. If not by violent invasion or insurrection then by inflating the population with brown babies to grow and nurture into "aztlanistas". This came from the adherents of Aztlan expressed in their own homes where I worked. Up until '99 I worked in the greater L.A. area with many hispanic co-workers. Many of these folks expressed and supported in one fashion or another the reconquista.

That is my experience and not being of the hispanic persuasion I did find this unsettling and contrary of my own beliefs that all Americans are united by their patriotism and visitors to our land must respect our ways and laws. Not to digress but just to set the record straight on my stripe.  Below are some of the sites that resulted in my cursory search for Aztlan. Gus, you ask, "How am I racist?" Take a look at these sites and tell us if you avow or repudiate the principles put forth on these pages by the adherents of La Raza, etc. Feel free to comment on the critics of those principles. I have told you what I stand for. Will you do likewise?

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMe...http://www.umich.edu/~mechaum/...http://www.calstatela.edu/orgs...http://www.mayorno.com/aztlan....http://www.aztlan.net/

mitch young
mitch young

Your continual use of the slur 'gabacho' would be taken for evidence of deep seated racism if you used a similar slur against an other group.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Jeff Schwilk: is that you? Either that, or you're someone who can't stand truth.

mitch young
mitch young

"get in cat fights with readers who leave comments is ridiculous"

I dunno, to me that is one of his few redeeming qualities.

Steeviebrat
Steeviebrat

The above article is so poorly written.  I can't even take the subject matter nor the author seriously.  It contains many run-on sentences, incorrect punctuation, etc.  Why is that?  Why is a credited publication allow this kind of drivel?  Good luck with whatever the hell this article is trying to say.  

Steeviebrat
Steeviebrat

Yea, yea, just saw my incorrect tense in the 5th sentence.  So sue me.  

Cryptvish
Cryptvish

So basically all these "good americans" are bashing those who are different( reminds me of a fellow with a funny mustache in germany.. same thing with a power trip) you know what is so sad about this is that you learn racism and hatred at home so Gustavo don't hold these peoples ignorant words and hypocritical ideals against them, like most they've never actually interacted and gotten to know people they so harshly judge. They probably just judge the way they are taught not to in church after all its one thing all "hate groups" have in common the belief that they are good believers that just so happen to thump they're holy book and say god (or whatever your into calling the creator) forgive us were just human we do the best we can, at church and spend the week promoting hatred.  a word from my hubby and I: To all you bible thumpers, hypocrites, sunday believers, and those who practice supremacism... to all the ones who live by a MAN written BOOK that explained society centuries ago, and condemn those who dont, to those who go to war in the name of the ALL and use that justify genocide, racism and scapegoat others for your problems.. ID LIKE TO BE A FLY ON THE WALL WHEN YOU MEET YOUR MAKER .. =D 

- remember kids under the skin were all the same.. 

mitch young
mitch young

"remember kids under the skin were all the same.."

Yeah, that's why anthropologists can tell "population group origin" (aka race)  from skeletons.

Bill T.
Bill T.

Anthropologists abandoned any attempt at definition of race in the 19th century. Any attribution of group based on skeletal evidence will be statistical at best, in other words, with significant margin of error. Hand waving and arguing from ignorance does not substitute for argument.

Bill T.
Bill T.

Through STATISTICAL methods, which describe behaviour of populations, not individuals, such as an individual's skeleton. Have you taken any courses in statistics and probability? Ever hear of Franz Boas? (Let me give you a hint, I have a degree in math with strong statistics, I also have a degree in anthropology.) Suppose I told you I tossed a fair coin and got 8 heads in a row, big deal? Suppose I gave you a bit more context and told you the 8 heads in a row were embedded in 2000 tosses, does that make any difference to your perception? I know I'm not going to penetrate your ignorance, you've well demonstrated that you see no problem with arguing from baseless positions, my only real purpose is to show that there are people that don't buy into your bankrupt philosophy.

mitch young
mitch young

"any attribution of group based on skeletal evidence will be statistical at best"

Yes, just like insurance premiums are set by statistical evidence, and we all now how much money Progressive and GEICO make.

Arthursantellan
Arthursantellan

I do miss William F. Buckley at least he wrote in perfect english writing to express himself instead of these 8th graders on this discussion.

Californio
Californio

We all miss Bill. He was the "velvet hammer". He could nail you flat with his unassailable logic, considered reason, and affable mien. You almost wanted to thank him for humiliating you. Bless you for remembering him.

Californio
Californio

When will the L.A Weekly expose G. Arellano for the foul, crude, racist pig he is? His campaign of disinformation, hispanocentric infantilism, and anti-American ranting is only outstripped by his boorish, gang banger, denigration of honest, patriotic, hard working citizens and legal immmigrants of all ethnicities. Arrellano's strategy to tell the lie over and over again until it is believed is the feeble act of a tiny boil on the bum of humanity.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

What's the lie?

Californio
Californio

OK, where to start. Your insipid portrayal of minorities as noble victims. Your trite implication that all non-minority people are racist. Your facile assertions that the United States has no business controlling its borders. Your hypocritical denial of the Mexican peoples responsibility for their government. Your racist portrayal of Mexican culture as superior to anything "white" culture has to offer. The mere fact that you lump all "white" people into one indistinguishable group. Your pathetic assertion that American soveriegnty is trumped by a.) Mexican history, b.) illicit annexation of territory, c.) the great good Mexicans and other illegal immigrants represent to America. I can go on but to be frank I suspect you lack the moral rectitude to consider these criticisms and will instead dig into your grimy little bag of vulgarity and lies. Oh yes, and just so you know these opinions are not based solely on the "When is the Orange County Register..." article. I read the Weekly too and son, it is a stretch to believe even half of what is written there.

Californio
Californio

Wouldn't defend a single accusation - no surprise!

Californio
Californio

Man up, son. You asked "What's the lie?" and I gave you 8 examples of how you try to get over on the gullible with your fairy tales. They are all part of the big lie you promote that brown is good and white is bad. You have mentioned taking your cue from Nelson Muntz the loveable but undeniably criminal cartoon character. How apropos. Are you aware that you share your "big lie" strategy with the likes of Adolf Hitler and the Klan? Can't you stand on your own?

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Ad hominens do nothing to support your assertion I'm a liar. Come on, kid: point to something I've written that's a lie!

Californio
Californio

So sorry. I thought you were a serious journalist. Uninformed, misguided, obstinate, and immature, but serious. Pinche payaso.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Couldn't point to a single lie--SURPRISE, SURPRISE...

JeffAngel
JeffAngel

When is the OC Weekly going to get ad-revenue from anything other than, hand jobbers, drug dealers, hookers, and pimps?  You must be so proud of your journalistic success.

BajaRat
BajaRat

Maybe the Register won't refer to anti-invader groups as "hate groups" because there is no real legal definition of a "hate group" unless you're some radical left-wing cabal like the Southern Poverty LIE Center. A "hate group" to them is any group a hair to the right of Atilla the Hun. Besides, one must remember that this Arellano cretin is himself a radical lefty Mexican anchor larvae who probably worships the vile likes of Van Jones and the Tan Klan's Janet Murguia. The guy is a joke.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

How does the Southern Poverty Law Center lie?

Bajarat
Bajarat

Maybe because the loathsome SPLC labels any organization that disagrees with its radical positions as "hate groups" without defining what "hate" is (as if Americans are supposed to somehow LIKE their country being illegally overrun by a bunch of third world weasels). They also slap this ridiculous label on "groups" that aren't even organized groups, but tax exempt operations that monitor the border in order to document what liars the Feds are when it comes to border security.

Californio
Californio

"Hateful" is one of those cliches that the willing victims trot out whenever they feel the need to be noticed. Others include; "you people", "boy", and other common phrases that have purposeful application in everyday discourse but which the "victims" will always assert to be racist. It is an obtuse ploy to distract attention from the issue at hand, frequently an issue the wv's cannot defend or deny. At the same time these wv's reserve the right to use these same phrases in the best tradition of bigotry while congratulating themselves on how hip they are.

mitch young
mitch young

"The Southern Poverty Law Center extensively researches the groups they label as hateful, "

That's exactly the order they do it. Find a group whose positions on policy they don't like,  label it as a 'hate' group, and then try to dig up anything they can possibly use. For example, they smeared the Center for Immigration studies because its founder, John Tanton, once dared to pose the  *question* of whether the US could survive as a prosperous society if it lost its its white majority. That seems to me a question worth asking, and indeed since we are a couple of decades down the road from when he asked it, and have before us examples like Bell, Maywood, and our own beloved Santa Ana, not to mention national examples like Detroit  the answer would seem to be no.

It would be interesting to apply SPLC's techniques of investigation and rhetoric to Gustavo -- or better yet any of the myriad of 'Latino' politicians now if office. After all, most have some sort of association with MEChA and/or the 'National Council of La Raza'. Both are explicitly racially based organizations. The whole 'La Raza' ideology comes for Jose Vasconcellos, an open admirer of Hitler.

BajaRat
BajaRat

So what is the definition of "hateful"? Citizens who don't want their country unlawfully overrun by a bunch of miscreants from the chicken feces-encrusted third world ditches down south? In that case Mark Potok and Morris "Sleaze" Dees had better go visit Felipe at Los Pinos and threaten to smear him if he continues to boot out those pesky Guats. The SPLC has ZERO credibility and everybody knows it. They are professional radical lefty fear mongers who are in it for the bucks.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Ah, see that's where you're the liar. The Southern Poverty Law Center extensively researches the groups they label as hateful, and show beaucoup examples—of course, to Know Nothings like you, that's just a day in your life, so OF COURSE you can't see that!

mitch young
mitch young

It lists CIS and numbersusa as 'hate groups', for two. "Hate group" is basically anyone who isn't down with open borders. It's also a good marketing tool for junk mail huckster Morris Dees.

BTW it's highlarious to look at SPLC's 'Board' -- some serious paleness going on there, despite its location in black majority Birmingham Alabama. See also 'the Church of Morris Dees'.

BajaRat
BajaRat

Say what? Why should Americans have to "tolerate" a frickin' invasion? Are you loco? Some things are simply intolerable. A foreign invasion is one of them.

mitch young
mitch young

You're beginning to lurch into incoherence (more so that usual). Better put down the iPhone and just stick to your Malibu and Cokes.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Yes, because their racialist underpinnings are SO tolerant. They do more to better this country with one email blast than you'll ever accomplish your entire life--and your progeny, too!

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