Lawsuit Claims Calvary Chapel Allowed Shuffling of Pedophile Employee from Diamond Bar to Idaho

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The word for today is...lawsuit!
Everyone knows about the Catholic Diocese of Orange and its pedophile-protecting ways (got another bombshell in the cannon--I'm warning you, Brownie), but Orange County's other Christian yahoo network has had its kiddie-diddling scandals as well--except Calvary Chapel does a much-better job hiding its tracks, signing settlements that remain under seal. I should get to exposing those, and will after I finish a couple of projects, but nice to see others aren't waiting.

In a blockbuster case filed August 9 in Idaho's First Judicial District Court, four men allege various Calvary Chapel pastors knew they had a pedophile on their hands when they allowed Anthony Iglesias to continue working for the ministry at their North Country Chapel branch in Idaho, where he abused the men when they were boys. The lawsuit claims that not only did Iglesias get collared for molesting a boy while serving as a youth minister at Calvary Chapel Golden Springs in Diamond Bar, but that his bosses allowed him to go off to Idaho and allowed him to return to Idaho after molesting boys on a Thailand missionary trip.

Paging Bishop Brownie...

The lawsuit, filed by an Idaho law firm but featuring the muscle of Washington lawyer Tim Kosnoff (whose tenacity in going against pedo-protectors of all denominations was just told in a book by my publishing company, Scribner--just found that out while Googling!) combines two separate lawsuits filed against Calvary Chapel accusing them of harboring Iglesias. This one names the Big Calvary in the suit: Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, which is actually in SanTana, and accuses them and North Country Calvary pastor Robert Davis of "negligently, recklessly and/or fraudulently conceal[ing] from the general public, law enforcement, its parishioners, plaintiffs and their parents its knowledge that Iglesias was and is a pedophile, child predator, and child molester." Kosnoff isn't asking for much--$10,000 per client, because that's all that Idaho allows in such cases (a direct byproduct of Brownie's Idaho days, no doubt) but will try to ask for punitive damages at a later date and is asking for a jury trial.

Iglesias is currently in jail for molesting two other boys in 2003. What did Calvary Chapel founder-head Chuck Smith know about child molesters within his flock, and when?
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Rich
Rich

There are over 1300 CC fellowships.

Why all this maligning about all these fellowships, that this and that "supposedly" occurred at., As sadly all denominations and non denominations have those who have failed or fallen, and have failed to handle the rightly at times as well. I will not get into the slanderous backbiting and uninformed diatribe nonsense here. Of who is guilty and who is not out of those 1300 of grievous sins. But may I remind you out of the 1300 some odd fellowships, 12 Bible colleges, that many are some of the most faithful, godly, loving men there are, faithfully for yrs teaching verse by verse through the Word of God, so unless you are first hand knowledge of things, are willing to name sources, times, dates and facts, quotes of sources, not just level accusations. Be quiet and go walk your walk, considering your owns selves, being careful not to think you stand, lest you fall. If you have not personally gone to these you all speak of face to face, then you have not even obeyed the first of many steps you must do before doing anything else.

But as for here at NCC I served there at NCC for yrs and know pastor Bob and his level of integrity very well. And he starts it with himself and seeking to be an example.

I also am very familiar with the standards that have been in place and enforced for some time. There could have never been anyone knowingly serving at NCC with any legal hx or verifiable hx that would put anyone at risk.Bob himself would be the first to ask you to leave and tell you not to let the door hit you on the way out. If he even thought for a moment you were to big of a flirt/young wolf with the youth, or a manipulative money grubber etc. Much less if he even had a slight concern of putting a child in danger. NCC and the staff would have never knowingly, allowed any such to serve there.I love Bob as my first CC pastor and under whom I started Bible College many yrs ago, but let me tell you this. I love Jesus more than Bob, because that is also what the man taught me from the Word of God. And if it were true for a second, any aspect of it. And I was aware, I would be the first to say something. I was there and in children ministry and serving for nearly 7 yrs. And such is as reported would never knowingly occur there!Let the facts come out. Then we will see.Love hopes all things, until there is no thing left! And then when a matter is firmly established let it be dealt with, if there be anything to deal with.In His love - To His glory

FilthyButForgiven
FilthyButForgiven

Anyone interested, please look up Maranatha Music funding through Illuminati Money.  John Todd, a former warlock (male version of witch) and High Druid with the Illuminatit sheds some light on the Jesus Rock movement.  He claims to have come to Christ before he made these comments and came out.

Link: http://enjoyingthejourney.blog...Granted, this is very controversial, and one can say that John Todd was lying or was still a warlock trying to bring Chuck Smith and Christianity down, but in light of all of the evidence below, I propose that it's extremely feasible that John Todd is sincere and his statements true, though I am not at all certain and battle the thought myself.

Pcameron40
Pcameron40

To: Alex Grenier or the former Calvary pastor...will you PLEASE contact me?(pcameron40@yahoo.com)

Jessica
Jessica

Shame shame shame on all congregations whom do not know their leadership, nor their flock. I can say this that many christians come into our temples asking for help whom did not recieve support of their congregations, and the doors are open. On the other token I also learned of jews whom knock on the doors of gentile congregations for assistance. 

Do leaders know their flocks?

Bobw
Bobw

Calvary Chapel elders manual. This is only a few cut and paste parts here, you can find the whole manual on line @ http://www.calvaryauroramedia..... Be Unconditionally Loyal. 7. Never Gossip.8. Defend the Pastor and the Ministry from all Negative Talk, Gossip, Slander, andAnything that would Undermine God’s Work.17. Keep every Aspect of the Ministry Confidential.20. Keep the Pastor Informed about Absolutely Everything—Be His Eyes and Ears, Be aNarc for Jesus. 21. Be Submissive and Loyal.34. Make the Pastor Look Good.Following is only parts of the statements, please go on line and read the whole statement.6. Be Unconditionally LoyalIf you can’t be loyal to people like your pastor and your wife, you can’t be loyal to God. In fact, we express our loyalty to God by showing fidelity to others.Your pastor needs someone by his side who will support him, defend him, be true to him and to the vision God has given him, with no strings attached. Be a true friend. Be loyal no matter what is happening. Stand by the man God has raised up to be the pastor.7. Never GossipGossip is a sin that most of us feel we are not guilty of, and which most of us are very guilty of. Gossip may be defined as saying anything negative, whether true or not, to anyone about the pastor or about the ministry. If there are things wrong, take it to the Lord in prayer. Tell absolutely no one, including your spouse. Do not repeat anything that would cast aspersion on the ministry in any way. Doing so dishonors Christ and His cause.But, you say, what do you do if there are real problems? Pray about them and forget them. If that doesn’t work, take your concerns directly and only to the pastor himself, and share with him honestly. If that doesn’t work, resign, and move on. Under no circumstances should you ever say anything negative about the pastor or the ministry to anyone, even after you’ve quit. in a situation where something in the church is so completely wrong that the sheep in the body are in spiritual danger, then say nothing to anybody, resign, and move on. If the church is a Calvary Chapel affiliate, then take your concerns and share them privately with Pastor Chuck or with Oden Fong, then drop it; leave it alone. Let them handle it. Trust God. He’ll correct the situation. But do not gossip. It is a terrible sin before God.8. Defend the Pastor and the Ministry from All Negative Talk, Gossip, Slander, and Anything that would Undermine God’s WorkAnything that would hinder or cast aspersion on the ministry will adversely affect the work of the Holy Spirit in your town. Therefore, defend the ministry. When you hear anything even slightly negative about the pastor or about the ministry, intervene, correct it, and stop it. Gossip and slander can destroy a great work of God, and can ruin the reputation of godly people. Listening to it condones it. Step into the conversation and boldly rebuke the gossip, replacing it with that which is lovely, positive, and of good report.Every church has its critics and its people who think they have a better way of doing things. We can be open to ideas and to constructive criticism, we do not have all the answers. But when the constructive criticism becomes destructive complaining, put an end to it.As an assisting pastor, you must be the eyes and ears of the ministry. Know what the people are saying, and steer them in a godly direction.20. Keep the Pastor Informed About Absolutely Everything—Be His Eyes and Ears, Be a Narc for JesusBe the eyes and ears of the ministry. Listen to what people are saying. Pick up on the attitudes of the staff and leadership. Watch people to see who serves diligently and who goofs off. Be a narc for Jesus. Squeal on people. Narc on the guy who litters the parking lot. Tell the pastor everything. Absolutely everything.34. Make the Pastor Look GoodNever make him look bad.This is a basic principle of employment. Make the boss look good. Give him the credit for your good ideas. Decrease that he might increase. God honors humility and death to self. Don’t allow anything in your conversation or behavior that would reflect badly on the pastor or the ministry. If something is not right, take it to the Lord in prayer, and leave it. If needed, take it to the pastor. If it doesn’t change and you can’t live with it, resign quietly and part lovingly. Avoid public criticism. Present a united front. Someone once said, “Do what the man in charge wants, do it well, and life will be sweet.”http://www.calvaryauroramedia....

Riprock
Riprock

That's great and I'm glad to hear it, but this story is mostly about NCC. They do thorough checking now, but it didn't seem like they did much of any back then.

maryann
maryann

I'm really concerned that some of you are not checking even your most basic facts. I have been teaching  10- 11 & 12 yr olds weekly. We do have A LOT of checks and balances. From the background checking that was done when I applied, to the weekly safety regulations for the classes(such as the rule that there be 2 teachers in addition to the teachers aids present at all times when a child or children are present). There are simply many reasons that it would be glaringly obvious if a teacher were to orchestrate a situation wherein it were even possible to engage in inappropriate behavior with a child. AND we make it very easy for any child to ask for help for any reason. We all are taught and reminded that it is our duty to report ANY thing that may indicate that a child has been inappropriately handled. Some of these comments sound like the person writing them never even went to a Calvary Chapel. Besides that, there seems to be a lot of energy going into tearing Chuck Smith down. For those of you who would abandon church because of rumors about his ego or love life, remember, when you stand before God you stand alone, and God wont be asking what you did about chuck, He'll ask what you did with his son.

Ephesians511Blog
Ephesians511Blog

There is a just posted expose on Brian Brodersen and another just posted expose on the same site that Calvary Chapel produced the spirit of error from the very beginning starting with the LSD/homosexual preaching Lonnie Frisbee.

http://ephesians511.blogspot.c...

Egor
Egor

It seems to me that the can of worms has been opened. Now that those who have attended Calvary for years are getting wise and the wool is being removed from their eyes, the whole movement is about to collapse and go down. This of course is quite sad, but it is not happening without warning that took place in advance. All the King's men can not put Humpty Dumpty back together again. He had a great fall and he could have avoided it if he had not sat on the fence. When CCCM goes down, the rest of the cult will follow.

Concerned
Concerned

Dear Chuck Smith,

I can no longer call you "Pastor" Chuck because you are no longer my pastor!  For years I refereed to you as "My Pastor" because I attended CCCM regularly, listened to most of your tapes, read your books and thought that you were a true man of integrity, although I only actually met you several times briefly. But these things that have come to light recently on this site and other blogs mentioned have shocked me. I have has to ask myself the question, can so many people be wrong? Why don't you speak up and answer these allegations? If you are innocent, why not come forward and speak up? Either you are afraid and hiding something or you are innocent and ignoring the cries of many for justice... Either way, you are wrong! Why should the courts decide what the church is biblically commanded to deal with? Chuck, you teach that...Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 1 Co 6:1-2 It seems to me that these good people have tried to go before the saints and were rejected and scorned while encouraged to remain silent about their abuse... Sounds like Rome!

So, let this be a public declaration that you are officially no longer my pastor...

Robert
Robert

should burn them all out like the feds did in waco, tx.

Egor
Egor

The following blog explains what will soon be exposed. As soon as the Orange County Register or the LA Times gets wind of this story, you can expect the sheep will soon find out that their shepherd was pulling the wool over their eyes. So sad! http://calvarychapelabuse.com/...

Befie
Befie

Why are you a former cc pastor? Are you back in ministry somewhere within a church that has an accountibility system? Your choice of impolite words to express yourself tells me you are more in the world than with Christ.

malasangre
malasangre

i had no idea these jesus freaks had done so well. in the 60's we couldnt figure out who was weirder, Smith, Manson, Alamo, Moses David etc.  all there to take advantage of lost souls, and the sex of course

Egor
Egor

 Bad roots always produce bad fruit. The bad roots have been covered up for years at CCCM. Now the chickens are coming home to roost before the sun sets. The Moses model produces pastors that cannot be corrected. Therefore God exposes the sin because the spiritual leaders are too proud. What is happening now is the tip of the problem. When it all comes out the sheep will be devastated. So sad but this is the way it works.

BJames
BJames

"Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, which is actually in SanTana..." ??Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa is located in Santa Ana, CA. ...Just down the road from "The Magic Kingdom" at Disneyland. Welcome to Fantasy Land in Southern California, but this can happen in ANY church that exists in a society that exalts fantasy over Truth. THIS is true Reality TV !

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Savedbygrace, here's some more Scripture for you:

Matthew 23: 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.   5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

   8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees

    13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]   15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

   16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

   23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

   25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

   27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

   29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

   33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

   37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

Savedbygrace, the Holy Spirit has shared some verses with me for you as well:

1 Timothy 5:19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. 21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism. 22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

Matthew 18:17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Titus 1:6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe[b] and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

1 Timothy 3:1 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.

FishWithoutBicycle
FishWithoutBicycle

Is it me or does it seem that a lot of these churches that protect disgusting pedophile clergy are the same ones that often condemn the healthy sexuality of consenting adults?

Savedbygrace12yrsago
Savedbygrace12yrsago

I read this verse this morning and I thought I would share for all the believers and followers of Jesus Christ who have replied to this post..  "Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." Ephesians 4:29-32 NKJV

Guest
Guest

Alex obviously your father did not beat you enough. You are by far the most obnoxious, annoying person I have ever read on a blog and not just this one.

Egor
Egor

As you know there are many other sins that are about to be uncovered in the CC movement as the secular media does what is necessary and those in the know do there part to get the truth out. When Christian leaders refuse to listen to those who are warning them to repent, this is what happens. Either there is no discernment at CCCM and they know it or there is no discernment and they do not care because they are too concerned about power, possession and property rather than people.

Looks like the sheep will soon be able to see what has been going on when they get the wool out of their eyes.

We are listening
We are listening

Wonder if Gustavo Arellano realized what can of worms he would open when he decided to run this story?

Thanks Gustavo! Keep'em coming!

Post-haste
Post-haste

Good job Alex! One step at a time. Bob Grenier, your days are numbered! Your time is coming. Every light shined on the evils of CC, shows you lurking in the shadows.

This cult is cracking at the foundation. Keep the quakes coming Lord!!!!!

DM
DM

Thanks Alex for having the balls to say it loud and clear... someone finally had too! Your da man!

JJ
JJ

Please check calvarychapelabuse.com and take time to read the articles and posts and it will open your eyes to what is really transpiring. Chuck Smith, Roger Wing, Dave, Rolph Gary Huff and Raul Reis have been more than informed over and over again ( one has even witnessed the abuse) and have done nothing.  It will alarm you!

Alex
Alex

Pcameron40, UGM (you got mail).

Alex

Beindaword
Beindaword

I served there at NCC for yrs and know pastor Bob and his level of integrity very well.

I also am very familiar with the standards that have been in place and enforced since the beginning of the fellowship taking shape and coming into its own. There could have never been anyone knowingly serving at NCC with any legal hx or verifiable hx that would pt anyone at risk.Bob himself would be the first to ask you to leave and not let the door hit you on the way out. If he even thought for a moment you were to big of a flirt/young wolf with the youth. much less even being a slight concern of putting a child in danger. NCC and the staff would have never knowingly, allowed any such to serve there.

Riprock
Riprock

As a reply to maryann.

Ephesians511Blog
Ephesians511Blog

There is a just posted expose on Brian Brodersen and another just posted expose on the same site that Calvary Chapel produced the spirit of error from the very beginning starting with the LSD/homosexual preaching Lonnie Frisbee.

http://ephesians511.blogspot.c...

former cc pastor
former cc pastor

Ask Chuck Smith why it is that if anyone (even CC pastors) who questions his authority or his nepotistic ways for choosing a weak insecure novice like Brian Broderson as his successor just to keep the money in the family and you will be dropped faster than a hot potato! And "IF" I have fallen, then I blame Chuck Smith the cult leader for running CCCM and the CC empire like a dictator instead of a true man of God!

Rockochocotaco
Rockochocotaco

Alex, why are you so angry? Take it to the Lord instead. We need to pray for our pastors and other believers as well and for those who are not saved. We as Christians should be an example to the world. You cannot believe everything the media says and if it were to be true pray!!! Dont bring them down with words, lift them up to the Lord instead. I will be praying for you as well, im not sure if you know the Lord Jesus Christ, either way I will pray for you and for your salvation just in case.

Snowshoes777
Snowshoes777

Sorry for you- you come off as SELF-RIGHTEOUS and totally without COMPASSION.  You need to ask Jesus Christ to give you HIS love and empathy and compassion for hurting people- you truly NEED it!!!!

Powerguy
Powerguy

Dude, a perfect comment on this little weasel. I've met him and his father on different occasions and this sissy is a real piece of work. His dad might have whipped him into shape once or twice, but honestly, just listening to him here, I'd beat him to.

Snowshoes777
Snowshoes777

You must be spending time on some pretty bland blogs- LOL!  Go to the Jerusalem Post and read the comments of some of the posters there- you will then KNOW what  "Annoying" truly means! LOL!

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

And, owekay, if you wanna hash this out mano y mano, I'd be happy to give you my email and an address and we can chat about it.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

owekay, ya, he prolly should've killed me in the name of Jesus and gotten a promotion within Calvary Chapel, which is their M.O.

CC pastors molests a child, beats a kid, commits adultery or steals and has some sort of big scandal...and it gets covered up, he's told to keep quiet, he's shuffled around, gets a promotion in essence, etc.

The rewards and incentives are for the bad guys and Big Guys, which can sometimes be one and the same.

Rvp0012
Rvp0012

we know that no one will escape the judgement of god if they are not found out here they will be at the judgement seat of christ. having said that i have not heard one person express concern (prayerful or not ) for the thousands of well meaning honest believing people who will be crushed . luke ch 17 says offenses will come but wo to those who offend and cause one of these little ones to stumble. please allow me to correct everyone who has posted so far. if you are happy or gloating you should be concerned for those who will be wounded as well as those who have been already. rebecca my dear sister  it is not you;re job to defend a man any man .  chuck is a big boy and will stand or fall by his own actions.  we never want our leader to fall in any way  none of us do.  but to say that he is one of the last righteous  men around is to say more than the bible has to say about men   for god always has a remnent there are many godly men in this world and they are usaully not seen and in the shadows not always but most of the time . you're time would be better spent in prsyer asking god what he  wants you to do  and then obey     anything else is striving              rp

 

Snowshoes777
Snowshoes777

Rocko,etc...What I wrote to "SavedbyGrace"  goes for you times 10 !! You are NOT listening to what Alex is saying!!  Do you not have "eyes to see and ears to hear"????What is it with you people???  I've been born again for over 37 years, and these things that these pastors and church workers have done is DISGRACEFUL, and bring shame to the Cause and the Name of Christ Jesus!!!  Read the Book of Jude and then HEED it!!  Also, read the Book of James and make it a part of your life!!!!

BTW, both James and Jude were the half brothers of Jesus Christ, and if you do not practice the WHOLE Word of God, then you are not "obeying Him". You cannot "cherry pick" which part of Scripture you will cling to, because we are to CONTEND for the faith, to reprove, rebuke and exhort! You've just been reproved, rebuked and exhorted !  Now ask Jesus to give you His love and compassion for the VICTIMS of whatever abuse these "Church Elders" have committed! 

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

taco, do you have any Scripture to back up that claim to "just pray"? Seems Scripture, Jesus and Paul the Apostle would disagree with your "just pray" when confronted with abuses and corruption in the leadership of the church...but I think Chuck Smith would agree with you :-)

Alex
Alex

"Dude, a perfect comment on this little weasel. I've met him and his father on different occasions and this sissy is a real piece of work. His dad might have whipped him into shape once or twice, but honestly, just listening to him here, I'd beat him to." Says the anonymous internet coward, LOL! You'd wet yourself if you came to see me and said that to my face.

Powerguy
Powerguy

What are you goin' do, slap him to death girlyboy

Guest
Guest

Wow a thinly veiled threat of violence. Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Snowshoes777
Snowshoes777

You did right by quoting appropriate Scripture, Alex.  Your anger is righteous, and I believe you are angry about the abuse of children done by CC, and it WOULD be better for their abusers if a millstone were tied about their necks, and they were thrown in the deepest ocean!  I am very angry that such people were not screened out by their leaders, and that if these cases of abuse were KNOWN, that CC covered it up instead of kicking them out-PERIOD! In fact, CC shoule have brought it to the D.A. in the counties where abuse happened, and THEY should have been the FIRST to press charges!

I' so sorry that you were abused by such as these! I know you KNOW that God was NOT in the actions of your stepfather- what he did was his choice, and he is accountable for his sin! May God bless and heal your wounds, especially the ones in your spirit and soul, where the eye cannot see, but the Lord does, and He wants to heal you.  Sometimes healing is a process, not a "one shot" deal.  My own Dad was very verbally abusive, and he beat all of us with belts in extreme anger.  It's taken many years to get over that abuse, but at least, thank God, he didn't do it "in the Name of Jesus", as he was an atheist.  In fact, his abuse might have been what caused me to become a Believer at the age of 27, so it all backfired on him.  May God bless you, Alex with His Joy and peace, S.E.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

owekay, Bob Grenier is my step-dad, thank God I don't have those genes.

Alex Grenier
Alex Grenier

owekay, I'm assuming you are an adult man and not a child or woman, if you are a woman or a child, my apologies, I would only confront male bullies and jerks...as I have not fallen from the tree that abuses kids and women.

But, you strike me as a grown male jerk for some reason, I could be wrong, you could be a child or woman...and if you are, I apologize.

Guest
Guest

shut up keyboard warrior. You wont do anything. I know who his dad is, and Alex isn't much better in this vendetta.

Cant take the heat
Cant take the heat

Hey Dick, Bob Grenier is his abusive Step-Dad... and I would kick your a$$ too!

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