"Justice For Kelly" Chanted at Vigil For Fullerton Police Brutality Victim

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Protester Jon Hansen says he isn't the protesting type but this cop killing was murder
A little after 8 p.m. tonight, scores of people holding candles and representing a  cross section of society gathered around the flag pole in front of the Fullerton City Hall.

They chanted "Justice for Kelly!"

That would be Kelly Thomas, a 37-year-old homeless man who was beaten to death by six Fullerton police officers earlier this month.

Local TV news reporters milled through the crowd as cars zipped by on Commonwealth Avenue honking loudly in support of the quiet protest against police brutality.
It was a relatively subdued continuation of this morning's protest that attracted hundreds of outraged local citizens. During tonight's vigil, Ron Thomas--the victim's father and a former Orange County Sheriff's deputy--stood inside a massive human circle and announced he would return Tuesday night for Fullerton's City Council meeting. 

"I'm inviting all of you to come," he said. "I think we have something to say."

Thoma says city officials have verbally bullied him to keep quiet in the aftermath of the killing.

Among those in the crowd were teenagers holding signs, area homeless as well as Orange County's more affluent residents. Yorba Linda resident Jon Hansen said he was online this afternoon when he learned a vigil was planned. "I saw the terrible picture his father had taken in the hospital. That's murder. And I'm not the protesting type, but I told my wife, we gotta go."

Larry Williams, who is homeless, spoke of Thomas, the red-headed transient he saw around Fullerton. Williams declared, "This isn't about hating all cops. It's about six cops going to jail for murdering a 37-year-old man."

Joan Schawula said she supported the protest, though she doesn't describe herself as anti-cop. "I just think the homeless should be better taken care of. I'm not anti-police, but they should practice a little more tolerance with these people," said Schawula.

As the vigil continued with people chanting around the flag pole, Williams and 40-year-old Jeff Levine stood by the nearby bus bench. Levine said he lived on Fullerton's streets for 20 years and knew Thomas. While he said he never had any encounters with Fullerton cops that rivaled what Thomas experienced, he wondered how things ended the way they did. "The police said he was big guy. [The victim weighed about 135 pounds.] But I'm not buying that. He may have worn baggy clothes but you can he tell he wasn't a big guy."

Levine looked up at the crowd of candle holders and mused, "If it were up to me, I'd have a bonfire under that pole."

"[The cops] would really hate us then," Williams replied.

Said Levine, "Who cares? They already do."


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anonymous
anonymous

God be with police brutality victims and they are in my prayers

Purity
Purity

This is very painful for me to put into words, I have done my best. I was in a coma, a month ago as a result of all of this.  I'm feeling better and I'm working full-time again.  But what I lived through is horrifying.

I was drugged by a professor in college, that night I was raped.  I have suffered battle after battle since then.  I became a single mother and the Aurora Police department in Colorado, in collaboration, with the Arapahoe department of SS, stole my child.  He was taken from me because the arresting officer was black, the same as the thug that raped me and my case worker was Jewish, same as the professor that drugged me. (And these individuals were aware of what happened to me in NYC.) They became involved because a boyfriend was abusing my son and I.They were suppose to protect us, instead they have brutally tortured us. (Just run away from abuse. Never, never call the police or trust the police.  They are a very evil entity.) This was clearly an act of discrimination, because of the fact that  I am a first generation, very well educated, Ukrainian-American woman. These are very, very ill people, who should not be in the positions they are in. They are evil, wicked prowlers from hell.  The police continued to harass me, stalk me, and arrest me. And of all things,  this was following the death of my 23 month old daughter.  She died from influenza.  They purposely tried to give me a felony.   I had to be in 4 safe houses, each one of them very degrading to abused women and they to collaborate with the police(Stay in your vehicle, you're better off.) It's like one big party for them all, they don't care about you or me.  All they care about is themselves and their pocketbook. I had a hard time keeping work, because of these false allegations made by the police, they keep finding my place of work and degrade me, say horrible things about me, that are absolutely untrue and I loose work. I ended up homeless and  again I got raped and this time it was a gang-rape.  A female officer at the Fort Collins, CO PD told me nothing happened.  I was horrified at her reaction.  Well, DNA, proved the rapists, guilty and proved what idiots the Fort Collins, PD hires.  1 was convicted.  Because, I have been living in complete horror due to the police, I had no choice but to start voicing what has happened to me, the police continue to hound me and threaten to arrest me.  Estes Park, CO where I now live, the PD have spread vicious, malicious gossip about me.  They too, want to really hurt me.  They do nothing but mock me and insult and belittle me. I feel sorry for their kids, karma's a bitch. I made it clear to them, this time the only way I'm leaving town, is in a body bag. Who knows, they might end up killing me.  The one fact, they cannot out-smart GOD.  He knows everything that they have done to me.  My belief is, He will always protect me from their wicked ways.Please take this seriously.

Deborah
Deborah

In my family, I have a neice and nephew who are New York State Court Officers. I usually try to be neutral and hear both sides before making any decision regarding criminal behavior from suspects, victims, or police in charge. This incident has outraged me from the core. I am sickened to hear how this police force brutally beat and killed this human being. If they thought he should be brought in and evidence seized from his person all they should have done is restrained him to bring him in. They officers have gone beyond brutality and must be punished to the most severe of penalties. This would include all officers involved at the scene as well as from the station. Jail time is too easy for them. I feel a public execution of all involved would be suitable. These officers are murderers and have no right to be alive. Take them down!

Philip
Philip

A parent can only do so much. The son was ill, and I am sure they did what they could (but he WAS 37). Regardless, this looks like a “beat-down” by these so-called cops. I was also in public service and once a person is subdued, so your safety is not jeopardize you can use other actions. BUT the new thing now is screaming “stop resisting….”  

peter sparks
peter sparks

The ONLY question here is why did 6 FPD officers beat a man to DEATH. DID YOU SEE HIS FACE IN THE HOSPITAL?

The pr reps are out in full force trying to confuse and dismiss what really happened. If they repeat bs enough people will believe bs. Its on video thank god, you can't dispute video with audio, you can try but just see it again!

Here is a link to all the videos on Kelly see for yourself. Be informed then post.

http://www.youtube.com/results...

Cheryl Meril
Cheryl Meril

The police are often demon possessed and can't control their bestial nasty dark sides.  Demons killed that man, not human beings.  I swear, these officers were clearly possessed.

Raymundo Garcia
Raymundo Garcia

The OCRegister sucks ass, if it was not for the release ofthe one video from OCTA and the subsequent release from the patron who waswaiting for the bus, they would still be silent or reporting stories biasedagainst the victim Kelly Thomas. I made a comment on this story last night andit was deleted because it violated some unknown rule they have which afterthree hours I could not find what rule I violated but anyhow, http://www.ocregister.com/news.... The only word I used that might be offensive is pig but in the context that Iused it, it would have only offended the six cops all of whom should bearrested,. Two of the pigs should be charged with Murder One the other fourpigs should be charged with Depraved Indifference Murder Two. My use of theword PIG as a label is only directed at the six involved in the killing Kellythe Wolf Man Thomas.

In addition, chief Sellers should also be arrested andcharged with hindering prosecution and attempting to cover up a felony.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Police everywhere are absolutely out of control.  They beat and maim and kill and get away with it.  Witnesses watching this horrible scene ... what could they do to stop it?  Call a cop?  Disgusting.  The Fullerton Police committed murder and every officer involved should be sent to prison for the rest of their natural lives.  Let's see how justice is served in this case.  As for the parents of this man, I am so, so very sorry about your loss and I pray you find justice.

PMOLLOY
PMOLLOY

LETTER SENT TO THE PRESS OF THE UK and USA  8.1.11I came here as a European businessman 20 years ago and chose this great country as my home out of idealistic faith and hope in the great constitution of this country and the values on which it was founded. I am a proud American, staunch upholder of our democratic ideals and father to four children in whom I wish the same idealism to grow.The gang-murder of an innocent man by "uniformed" predators in Fullerton a few days ago is beyond cruel and barabaros. The savage beating death of Mr.Kelly Thomas who was probably mentally weak, certainly defenseless, puts all of us to shame. It corrupts our institutions and scars our society. It lowers our system of law and order to a base equal or worse than other inhumane systems, to be found in marxist dictatorships and drug-ravaged oligarchies. This crime would be brutal in Iran, or Syria or Libya or Sudan. Here, in our Golden State, the great West of our dreams and our aspirations it is hideous, unrecognizable and demonic. The brutality exhibited by a pack of lawless uniformed thugs calls to mind the camp guards of the Holocaust, the fascist murderers of women and children in Nazi Germany and the worst excesses of evil that are the atrocious attributes of brutal regimes from our darkest history. Tears for America! Tears for my children. Tears for this brutalized and murdered lost soul.That this so called police department has trained and cultivated within it it a gang of SS sympathizers capable of the most lawless bestiality in the guise of our protectors is a dark and bloody stain on the conscience of our society, the City of Fullerton and all the people of Orange County and across our gentle nation.The death of this man cries out for justice. It begs our leaders to awaken to their moral duty to undo the great shame that has befallen all of us. It is incumbent upon our leaders to put into gear the great workings of our judicial system to bring these wretched bullies and cowardly murderers before a court and jury of their peers. Though there are none that would descend enough to deserve to be called peer of any of these sociopathic killers. Shame, shame shame on all of us.Please inform me how I may assist the family of Mr. Kelly Thomas, may he rest in peace. I will provide money for legal advice and financial assistance to allow his body to be laid to rest with dignity and care.Poor innocent man, killed amongst his own people, with nobody to save him, no good samaritan to intervene, no honest policeman or woman to say "stop" - because the black uniformed camp guards that pretend to be officers of the law went on a beating rampage in our civilized midst and we were all too afraid to confront the evil when we saw it. Now is the time. Rise and be counted Councillor, Congressman, District Attorney, FBI Director Robert Mueller. Dare you not?This must not stand.

Christamas!
Christamas!

JUSTICE 4 KELLY THOMAS!

Join everyone on facebook- Justice for Kelly Thomas

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20ftJesus
20ftJesus

What a ruthless murder.  Unfortunately, I can tell you how this will end.  One officer will be picked as the scapegoat.  He'll get 1 year in jail -- out in 6 months.  The other five will be back on the job with full pensions. It's something we have to accept....or not.

Frankly, the protesters must begin planning their actions in response to the inadequate prosecution that is coming.  How will you respond when none of the officers gets jail time or only a token amount?  

J Jim
J Jim

a real American would voice their concern to these police officers and public officials in a one on one, eye to eye setting. see how tough they talk when confronted alone.

Killercop
Killercop

Sadly this is not the first time cops have been caught beating a man to unconsciousness, and then continuing to beat on him. http://youtu.be/WQgVRysgIyY 

They are trained to beat you if you "resist" any command, even an unlawful one.

His death was gang-involved, the way I see it. A gang of officers who brutally beat him to death.

Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

Jon hansen good for you. I was unable to attend the protest and vigil as I was in the south county area and was working unable to attend. but my heart and spirit is and was with all those who would consider themsleves to not be the protesting type but felt compelled to attend. i would love to see more protests so i can attend.

The Voice of Reason
The Voice of Reason

The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Just look at the vitriol of these emotional children every time someone suggests that Ron Thomas should not have abandoned his mentally ill son on the streets of Fullerton to live as a burden the community. They see a depressing image of a dead man and their capacity for reason goes right out the window. Yes children, its sad when people die. No children, his dad does not deserve a penny from the taxpayers. And you should know that the investigation of the officers involved is going to go on with or without your protest so you can go back to what you're good at: smoking pot and watching cartoons. Oh, and talking among yourselves about how downtown Fullerton, (which is actually one of the nicest spots around) is secretly some kind of totalitarian police state. You talk about "rising up"? Please. That will be the day. I think you all need a nap.

Kredit
Kredit

very violent, the whole thing. no good thing.

Wildfire0925
Wildfire0925

Completely disgraceful, and i wonder what the rest of the fulerton police think of their "brothers" and the way they treat others---i cant believe these thugs are not in jail, I am certain they have done this to others and gotten away with it. This is just who they are, sick psychopaths for hire

Concerned
Concerned

Why was he homeless when he has family (and why should they be offered $900.00????

JohnK
JohnK

From what I understand there is a police run halo camera in the parking lot that caught the beating. It was controlled by the dispatcher and zoomed in on it, it also may shed some light if he was even breaking into cars as claimed. It better show what they claim, if not they are even in deeper with their lies. The Fullerton PD is in the hot seat and under a microscope now and all there damage control by lying, posting wrong mug shots, ect. is going to bite them in the ass. I hope the FBI does a thorough investigation which will uncover a variety of misconduct that has happened thru the years.

Patriot_70
Patriot_70

My largest issue is that the police are under the control of the Judicial Department.  But, before you think I'm nuts, remember that we are not supposed to have standing armies under the control of the federal government that can be used against the  people... the police are supposed to be under civilian control and oversight.  They are not.

They have a "Chain of Command," and that is fully within the Justice Department.  If you fie a complaint against a police officer, then another police officer handles the investigation.  If you file a complaint with the state on that officer, a higher up police officer or judge handles the complaint.  Everyone you can complain to has the same ultimate responsibility to the police or the courts. 

"True Blue," which means that they stick together is never more evident than when someone is killed.

The way to solve this is that all police departments must come under a civilian, elected, committee who will act as a buffer between the police, the courts, and civilians.

reality bites
reality bites

All of the sudden, dad is concerned when there is money to make.  Where was he when his schizo son was out burglarizing cars, using dope, living on the streets and fighting with the cops.  Now that he is dead, he can blame everyone else.

Kenneth Ray Rinderhagen Jr
Kenneth Ray Rinderhagen Jr

And to think if Kelly Thomas had not resisted and threatend being a known dangerouse individual he would still be out the collecting stoeln propserty in trade for drugs and his dads money

Glubmin Abobo
Glubmin Abobo

OUTSTANDING. This lady has got enough crazy for everybody. Who wants some crazy? Get your hot buttered crazy here!

Fred
Fred

Stop civilian brutality.  We'll worry about the bad cops after the thugglets stop la matanza pandillera.

Raymundo Garcia
Raymundo Garcia

the scary thing about what you wrote is your most likely right 

PatrickR
PatrickR

20ft, while you are reading the tea leaves and predicting the future, could you give me the winning Lotto numbers for tonights game.  Also, who do you see in your cup as the new President in 2012?  Inquiring minds want to know? 

murmur55
murmur55

An adult has freedom to live where he wants in the communities. An adult also has a right to refuse psychiatric medication unless it is court-ordered for him. And an arrest is a restraint, not a beat down.

Idiot smasher
Idiot smasher

Sounds like your one of the cops thats about to get life, you sound desperate enough.

mitch young
mitch young

Dude, WTF. Apparently it was the City of Fullerton who first made the offer of 'blooc money' to shut the victim's father up. At any rate, it really doesn't matter. Six Fullerton cops were involved in beating a man to death. That should be all that matters right now.

mitch young
mitch young

It was Fullerton who offered the 900,000, probably in order to get the family to STFU.

Guest
Guest

Sorry, your user name should be "uninformed and ignorant". Start with this link and then follow a few of the others. We will have a quiz on Tuesday to see if you user name of "concerned" is appropriate.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Patriot, been watching too much Cops and Robbers (Law & Order) on TV have you?   First off, there is no such animal as the Judical Department in Municipal Government.  It is most commonly referred to as the Criminal Justice System and includes law enforcement, the courts including prosecution, defense, probation and corections (local jails).  Since you are referring mainly to the Police and a local agency, they have nothing to do with the Justice Department, which is a Federal Agency.  Local Police (Fullerton) is under civilian control.  Yes there is a chain of command in the Police Department because of the paramilitary nature of the business.  The top of the chain is the Police Chief.  The Chief answers directly to the City Manager, the person in charge of all City functions.  The City Manager reports to the City Council, who are citizens elected to be responsible for the government of that City.  At the County level of government it is the same.  The Sheriff is the head law enforcement officer.  Sheriffs are elected by the citizens directly.  The department falls under the County government which is headed by a Chief Administrative Officer (CAO).  The CAO is appointed by the County Board of Supervisors, a group of citizens elected from the different areas of the county.  Bottom line is that civilian control of law enforcement is alive and well in local government.   On the investigation of complaints against law enforcement, let me just say that all compalints are fully investigated and the citizen is informed of the results.  In the more serious allegations, the complaint goes to Internal Affairs Unit, which is a street Cop's worst nightmare.  I guarantee you that regardless what organization you work for in the private sector, you will never be subjected to the intense techniques used by IA Investigators.  Most Police Deapartments do a good job of policing themselves and a lot of Cops are fired that the public never hears about.  In the Fullerton case, the investigation is being handled by the District Attorney's Office to assure objectivity and no conflict of interest.  So concludes Civics 101 lesson on Municipal Government.   

Lynn
Lynn

the word was suspected and thats not proof

Guest
Guest

Wow, so sorry for your ignorance. Why not spend a tad of time researching before you activate your blow hole. If you had even a mediocre level of understanding of schizophrenia you would not have posted such an asinine comment. Yes, reality bites, but seems to have passed your butt by. 

Emily Woznichak
Emily Woznichak

You are an absolute ignoramus! Kelly was not a dangerous individual. He was unarmed when six officers assaulted him. You know nothing about people with schizophrenia so I would advise you to shut up about things you know nothing about. You have the misconception that all homeless people are drug addicts. One third of the homeless people on the street have a mental illness. Most of the time their families do not want anything to do with them. In Kelly's case, he was homeless by choice. The truth of the matter is that cops need more training in how to deal with people with mental illness.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You are one sick, heartless bastard.  And learn how to spell. 

Guest
Guest

You are either a moron or a fool ... maybe both

peter sparks
peter sparks

Have another drink kenny your slurring your writing. Or is it officer dillrod?

JULIA
JULIA

 You sir should be taken out back and shot. You are actually condoning the actions of these cops. NO MATTER IF YOU RESIST THERE IS NO REASON FOR WHAT HAPPENED HERE. NONE!

El-gueto-que-habla-espanol
El-gueto-que-habla-espanol

Unfortunately, so far 20ftJesus is right.  5 of the 6 involved are now back on duty.  EVEN if only one crossed the line, which we all EFFIN know they did, the other 5 officers should have stopped their fellow devil of a police officer from going to far.

Patriot_70
Patriot_70

Thank you for your well written reply.

I was not referring to the CJS, I was referring to the Judicial branch of our government.  No matter who the officer works for and draws his paycheck from, he ultimately works for the Judicial branch - in court judges often refer to the police as "their," officers.

Police are oath bound to obey the judges, who are oath bound to obey the supreme court. 

The officers may face an internal investigation, but if you spend ten minutes on the internet you will see that it does not work in some cases.  Does it work in others, yes, it does... but that is not the problem.  My post was not about corruption within the department.

The problem that I am worried about is that the police CAN be used as a military force against civilians.  It is structured like that, and while some officers will walk if given an order to do something that they disagree with, many would not. 

This is a real issue because the police act under the color of law.  To oppose them in suicide.  To disagree with them will result in a prison sentence.  To stand your ground for your rights will result in arrest and prosecution.  They are armed, trained, and equipped to deal with civilians and will do so if called on to do so.  They are dangerous to liberty, and dangerous to freedom because while they do represent the law, they are also a paramilitary force situated within our communities and civilians are trained to NEVER fight back.

I also see them as good men and women who deserve our respect for the terrible job they have to do every day.  They face death on a regular basis, and face criminals that most would run from.  I am not anti-police, and to be honest, I'm not even sure where Exactly I stand on this issue... I know that there needs to be independent oversight, more local control, and some kind of buffer between the police and the population... but where do you draw the line?

Right now I see a problem.  I've tried to report officer misconduct and been told by the clerk in the Police office, "We don't take complaints against our officers, please leave." I've had officers assault me when they were clearly in the wrong, and had the department stonewall me on getting any sort of investigation.  If "I" have an issue with it, I KNOW that others do.

I do not like that the police have evolved into what they are now, and do not feel that the safeguards that were once adequate are now badly insufficient.

Each of the officers CAN be called into federal service, at any time.

PatrickR
PatrickR

Julia, you madam should keep you big mouth shut until the investigation is done and the facts are in.  You were not there and as such, have not an inkling what the deceased was doing, whether he was under the influence of alcohol or drugs, how much resistance he presented and what levels of force the Officers actually used.  Since I was not there either, I will not go as far to defend the Officers and will wait until the investigation is finished.  Even career criminals get that right and are innocent until proven guilty.  Then, for all you Cop haters, there will be adequate time to elevate this known dirt bag to the status of a hero and to crucify the Officers whether they are guilty or not.  If they are proven to have used excessive force, the System will administer more than adequate punishment.     

Killercop
Killercop

What happened to Kelly Thomas was not logical and in defense of Ken, above, Ken can not seem to process the facts and information because his brain only accepts reality as "logical" things and events. http://www.kennyrayjr1.com/sch...  Therefore, until something totally illogical happens to him he simply can't relate. It's a left brain / right brain issue. Nothing personal. Some people can only deal with the reality if it is "logical." Everyone else agrees this event is anything but logical.

Guest
Guest

Julia, do not go to the fools level by wishing him shot. Read his comment again. He is a pitiful human being wallowing in his disease. 

Julia
Julia

p.s. Learn to spell

Lynn
Lynn

videos equal 1 picture worth thousand words

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