[UPDATED with Orange Ordinance Set To Pass] Orange, Westminster Consider Ban on Red Light Cameras

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UPDATED, JULY 27, 11:59 A.M.: The ordinance that would ban red-light cameras in Orange passed yesterday with a preliminary 5-0 vote. A second reading will take place at the Aug. 9 City Council meeting.

ORIGINAL POST, JULY 26, 8:00 A.M.: Those paranoia-inducing red light cameras may be shut out from Orange and Westminster, as some officials believe the devices are a mere money-generating tool and do little to increase traffic safety.

Tonight, the Orange City Council will consider a law that would prohibit the installation and use of red-light cameras. Councilman Denis Bilodeau brought forward the idea of an ordinance last year, and worked with the City Attorney's Office to draft it.

"We don't want private law enforcement to be in here, especially to make money," says Orange Mayor Carolyn Cavecche.   

Red light cameras have been the subject of debate throughout the county in recent years. Some city officials believe they are an effective traffic-enforcement tool since officers cannot monitor all areas. Though some data shows that red-light cameras actually increase the number of rear-end accidents because drivers slam on the brakes when they notice them. 

This month, the Westminster City Council put a measure on the November 2012 ballot, allowing voters to decide whether they want red light cameras installed at city intersections. Cities that have already rejected the cameras include Anaheim, Irvine, Huntington Beach and Costa Mesa.

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sh
sh

What about Brookhurst & Orangewood, in Garden Grove? Any ideas?

Andy
Andy

So if we get a redlight ticket do we pay or no? The one at westminster blvd and brookhurst goes off so quickly. It turns from green seems right into red that was how quick it went off. I mean after green comes yellow and yellow should at least be 2 maybe 3 seconds before red. HELP?

sh
sh

yeah i got one on brookhurst and orangewood in garden grove. did you pay urs? i dont want to pay this either!!

Ox
Ox

Andy, did you ever pay that ticket.  I got one too in Westminster and plan NOT to pay.

sh
sh

yeah i got one on brookhurst and orangewood in garden grove. did you pay urs? i dont want to pay this either!!

Jennifer
Jennifer

Yes there are a lot of red light cameras on Brookhurst street in garden grove. Have you ever noticed that the red lights are so long, and the green lights are so short. They need to synchronize the lights on Brookhurst. It is so bad. Even early in the morning, when there was little traffic, I found myself stopping at almost every red light. As soon as the light turned green, I would go, but then, when I got to the next light, it already turned red. Again, the same thing, right after waiting for the light to turn red, I would drive for a little and then be forced to stop as soon as I reached the next light. I spent more time waiting at red lights than actually driving. So each light I have to wait maybe 1-2 min. After about 10 traffic lights, there goes an extra 15-20 min of wasted time. If they at least synchronized those signals, then people wouldn't have to keep stopping so suddenly, possibly causing accidents or running red lights.

Foo
Foo

Typically, Garden Grove still has these idiotic things.  The 'Big Brother' city.  What that city needs is a massive lawsuit over a rear-end collision caused by paranoid drivers near those intersections.  That might kick some sense into these simple minded fools.

cook
cook

People slam on the brakes when they see a cop,  ban cops.

sometimes banks get robbed,  ban banks.

red light cameras cause solar spots, ban the sun

DiegoHenry
DiegoHenry

Fullerton shut their cams off in 2009, but there will always be the cameras in about 70 other cities - and it is gonna get worse, not better.  How?  There is a bill in Sacramento,right now, which if not vetoed by the governor will allow cities to reduce posted speed limits by 5 mph, even on streets with a great safety record. The lower limits will allow them toshorten yellows. The shortening permitted by a 5 mph decrease in the speedwill increase red light camera ticketing by at least 50%. (Four of the sponsoringcities have red light cameras.) Worse, the shortening will increase severeaccidents, by 30 to 40%. (Source: "Development of Guidelines for TreatingRed-Light Running," Texas Transportation Institute, pg 2-20.)

It is AB 529, by Asm. Gatto (Glendale), and it is going to Gov. Brown for signature - or veto.

Californians need to defeat this bill. Phone the governor, at 916 445-2841, ask him to veto it. It takes no more than 3 minutes per call. And then phone the AAA, and your union, and ask them to oppose the bill. To the pro-camera anti-car people, and the cities thinking of supporting this bill for more camera tickets and the money they will bring in: Before you support this bill, try to remember that it will increase severe accidents, a lot.

WestFor Walnut
WestFor Walnut

The WALNUT City Council still believes in red light cameras. Outgoing Mayor Tony Cartagena voted to install it and current Mayor Nancy Tragarz publicly supports it.

Dweezle.Di
Dweezle.Di

Since when did any city council care if something was a money creator, what was not said was "They do not get enough of a cut"

I think Anaheim Got it right in excluding them as they are a public safety risk, I have seen many close calls to rear end collisions when people slam on the brakes for a yellow light.

I believe under the old laws of arrest if a police officer did not personally observe an infraction, (most traffic laws are infractions) they cannot make an arrest, to me, a review of a film, (which technically can be altered) is not personally observing a violation. the employees of these traffic camera companies are NOT law enforcement personnel, and as I believe they can only make such arrests by "Private Person" and in that case they are also personally subject to civil liabilities for false arrests. But the classes I took were over 10 years ago... then there was the Patriot Act...

Nobody In Particular
Nobody In Particular

Fullerton didn't reject the cameras. A judge determined that their contract with the vendor was illegal. Sorry, no refunds.

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

So they've deactivated the cameras at Harbor and Orangethorpe in Fullerton? 'Cause they haven't taken the signs down (or hadn't the last time I paid attention as I drove through).

Michelle Woo
Michelle Woo

Fullerton still has cameras. Fixed the info. Thanks.  

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